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Dear all, <BR>
please note that it was not me who requested this translation- ive had lots of people reply to me although i did not send the initial email, I only sent a possible response. I think this kind of discussion is very interesting though, and hope there is more of this in the future. It is the role of linguists (and therefore the INL) to be descriptive, not prescriptive, so I would not agree that the 'default' language to use is portuguese when a tetun option is not available. It may well be the case that a portuguese substitute is used most of the time, but we should be guided by native speaker intuition- whatever word is most widely used and understood is the most appropriate. Dr Sara Niner asked the question about the translation. Please direct your responses to her! <BR>
cheers, <BR>
Katrina<BR> <BR>
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From: cpwl@bigpond.net.au<BR>To: timorlink@hotmail.com; bu.wilson@anu.edu.au; easttimorstudies@anu.edu.au<BR>Subject: RE: [TimorLesteStudies] FW: Tetun Translationfor Handcraft--Liman-fatin or Artesantu<BR>Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:01:49 +1100<BR><BR>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Katrina, It’s Trish, I’d go for badinas liman, Liman fatin, place of hands, does not make make much sense. I think in some places Portuguese would be fine, otherwise yes, kerajinan tangan is quite clear.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> easttimorstudies-bounces@anu.edu.au [mailto:easttimorstudies-bounces@anu.edu.au] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Katrina Langford<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 23 March 2009 11:22 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> bu.wilson@anu.edu.au; easttimorstudies@anu.edu.au<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [TimorLesteStudies] FW: Tetun Translationfor Handcraft--Liman-fatin or Artesantu</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Hi, <BR>You could possibly use badinas liman or industria liman? (Liman-fatin sounds more like youre talking about a place for hands..) My suggestion would be to use the Indonesian simply because it is a term widely understood in Timor and would cause the least amount of confusion. It is perfectly acceptable to do this if Tetum speakers haven't started replacing this with a specific Tetum term (which to my knowledge hasn't happened yet). Hope this is helpful.<BR> <BR>Katrina Langford<BR> </SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">From: Bu.Wilson@anu.edu.au<BR>To: Easttimorstudies@anu.edu.au<BR>Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:49:53 +1100<BR>Subject: [TimorLesteStudies] FW: Tetun Translation for Handcraft--Liman-fatin or Artesantu</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> sara@alolafoundation.org [mailto:sara@alolafoundation.org] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 23 March 2009 11:48 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Bu Wilson'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Tetun Translation for Handcraft--Liman-fatin or Artesantu</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'">Dear Bu could you post this for me, thanks sara</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'">Dear Language Buffs</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'">I need a final decision on what word(s) to use for handcraft in Timor-Leste preferably in Tetun but so that most will understand itat a small meeting in Dili the advice was to use the Indonesian but on reflection Id rather use Tetun if possible--comments welcome.</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'"> </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=3><SPAN lang=FR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'">Liman-fatin (Tetun) = Artesantu (Portuguese/Tetun?) </SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT face="Arial Narrow" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow'">= Kerajinan tangan (Indonesian) = Handcraft (English)</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=FR style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dr. Sara Niner</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=FR style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">m: 0417 357 298</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=FR style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">t: 03 9527 5063</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=EC_MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">e: sara@alolafoundation.org</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN></FONT></P>
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