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color=#0000ff size=2>Agreed. I was simply parroting the language.
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au
[mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Henderson, Ian S WGCMD AUS<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:09
AM<BR><B>To:</B> intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[IntLawProfessors] FW: Okla state question 755 update<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Not
to detract or disagree with the underlying sentiment, but a small point: for a
practice to be customary international law, there need not be ‘<U>universal</U>
agreement’.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Henderson<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au
[mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Fernando Teson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:05
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Carl Bruch<BR><B>Cc:</B>
intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [IntLawProfessors]
FW: Okla state question 755 update<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Precisely my point.
<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Carl Bruch <<A
href="mailto:bruch@eli.org">bruch@eli.org</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Out of
curiosity, what examples of customary international environmental law would you
say are "properly supported by state practice and universal agreement"?
This is an issue that I have been following for a while, and I have found very
few examples of state-by-state analysis to show state practice. It would
be great to know where this has been done.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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Attorney</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Co-Director,
International Programs</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Environmental Law
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Fernando Teson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:46
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Mary Durfee<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"><BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Re:
[IntLawProfessors] FW: Okla state question 755
update<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Sure, there is a lot of customary
law that is legitimate, properly supported by state practice and universal
agreement. But unfortunately there's a lot of "fake custom" generated by
academics and norm entrepreneurs who exploit the relative indeterminacy of the
concept of custom in order to present their own desiderata as if they were
genuine, binding norms.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Mary Durfee <<A
href="mailto:mhdurfee@mtu.edu" target=_blank>mhdurfee@mtu.edu</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Perhaps scholarship and some opinions have gone in that
direction, but not the actual operations in US State and in other departments.
For example, there's a new semi-journalistic account, the Least Worst
Place on the efforts in State and in the US Marine Corps to make Guantanamo
legal under the Geneva Conventions. There were actively overruled, but
there was little doubt in their minds on what the rules were.<BR><BR>There is a
brand of IR scholarship that I find really interesting, the way different
courts, municipal and otherwise, use human rights law to give more effect to it.
Kathryn Sikkink at Minnesota has done work in this area and there seems to
be a lot of work going on among Ph.D. students at Virginia.<BR><SPAN
style="COLOR: #888888"><BR>Mary Durfee, Ph.D.<BR>Associate Professor of
Government<BR>Social Sciences Dept.<BR>Michigan Technological
University<BR>Houghton, MI 49931<BR>Work: 906-487-2112<BR>Cell:
906-369-2112</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "prabhakarsingh
adv" <<A href="mailto:prabhakarsingh.adv@gmail.com"
target=_blank>prabhakarsingh.adv@gmail.com</A>><BR>To: "William Slomanson"
<<A href="mailto:bills@tjsl.edu" target=_blank>bills@tjsl.edu</A>>, <A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au</A>, "Fernando Teson"
<<A href="mailto:fteson@law.fsu.edu"
target=_blank>fteson@law.fsu.edu</A>><BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au</A><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Sent: Monday, November 8, 2010
7:35:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [IntLawProfessors] FW:
Okla state question 755 update<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Dear Profs.<BR>This is very
educative for an Indian law teacher. I have been thinking how the "third world
sees constitutionalism in international law?" With Posnerian view, American
scholarship has moved further away to the idea that international relations is
the determining factor and int'l is almost
obsolete.<BR>Best,<BR>Prabhakar<BR>Sent on my BlackBerry® from
Vodafone<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: William Slomanson <<A
href="mailto:bills@tjsl.edu" target=_blank>bills@tjsl.edu</A>><BR>Sender: <A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au</A><BR>Date: Tue, 9
Nov 2010 00:17:54<BR>To: Fernando Teson<<A href="mailto:fteson@law.fsu.edu"
target=_blank>fteson@law.fsu.edu</A>><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Cc: <A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au</A><<A
href="mailto:intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au"
target=_blank>intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au</A>><BR>Subject: Re:
[IntLawProfessors] FW: Okla state question 755 update<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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