Point taken, but I used the term on purpose, for reasons that I can't explain now (got to teach) but I will present Friday at the ASIL meeting of the International Legal Theory Group (forgive the shameless advertising)<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Henderson, Ian S WGCMD AUS <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:henderis.aus@centcom.mil">henderis.aus@centcom.mil</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Not to detract or disagree with the underlying sentiment, but a
small point: for a practice to be customary international law, there need not
be ‘<u>universal</u> agreement’.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ian Henderson</span></p>
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<a href="mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au" target="_blank">intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au" target="_blank">intlawprofessors-bounces@mailman.anu.edu.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fernando
Teson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Bruch<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au" target="_blank">intlawprofessors@mailman.anu.edu.au</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IntLawProfessors] FW: Okla state question 755 update</div></div></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Precisely my point. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Carl Bruch <<a href="mailto:bruch@eli.org" target="_blank">bruch@eli.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Out of curiosity, what examples of customary international
environmental law would you say are "properly supported by state practice
and universal agreement"? This is an issue that I have been
following for a while, and I have found very few examples of state-by-state
analysis to show state practice. It would be great to know where this has
been done.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Re: [IntLawProfessors]
FW: Okla state question 755 update</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Sure, there is a lot of
customary law that is legitimate, properly supported by state practice and
universal agreement. But unfortunately there's a lot of "fake custom"
generated by academics and norm entrepreneurs who exploit the relative
indeterminacy of the concept of custom in order to present their own desiderata
as if they were genuine, binding norms.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Mary Durfee <<a href="mailto:mhdurfee@mtu.edu" target="_blank">mhdurfee@mtu.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps scholarship and some opinions have gone in that
direction, but not the actual operations in US State and in other departments.
For example, there's a new semi-journalistic account, the Least Worst
Place on the efforts in State and in the US Marine Corps to make Guantanamo
legal under the Geneva Conventions. There were actively overruled, but
there was little doubt in their minds on what the rules were.<br>
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There is a brand of IR scholarship that I find really interesting, the way
different courts, municipal and otherwise, use human rights law to give more
effect to it. Kathryn Sikkink at Minnesota has done work in this area and
there seems to be a lot of work going on among Ph.D. students at Virginia.<br>
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Social Sciences Dept.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Dear Profs.<br>
This is very educative for an Indian law teacher. I have been thinking how the
"third world sees constitutionalism in international law?" With
Posnerian view, American scholarship has moved further away to the idea that
international relations is the determining factor and int'l is almost obsolete.<br>
Best,<br>
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