Call termination (was Re: [LINK] Phone bill shock)
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:45:28 +1000
>ince you mention it, yes, we did exchange some emails in April on the
>subject. You put forward ideas like the BC being launched as a "National ISP",
No I said nothing about a National ISP. That Baxter project dies years ago.
I related it strictly to the resale and wholesale procurement of services
for it's members who would in most cases be ISPs.
Man I thin I might patent the idea than publish a how to.
>with all customers and acounts owned by the BC company,
No, not quite. But if that's how you interpreted it, fair enough. Must be
your journalistic background making things layman termed.
>and using it to launch a takeover bid for Telstra itself!!!
That is a possibility in the future.
>I think any neutral observer would agree that those sort of goals are
>unrealistic, to put it kindly.
Yes, maybe so, but Flying to the Moon was unrealistic too.
So was the Motor Vehicle.
So was the Water Powered engine.
So was the Refrigerator.
And heaven forbid if everyone was ever going to have a computer of their
own, people's houses weren't big enough to accommodate all the valves.
And remember those idiots that thought by flapping bits of wood and string
they could fly. Gawd, they really had bird brains!
I suppose Paul the bottom line is you don't want to do it, or you've taken
the idea and basic concept and formulated your own version with support
from whomever and are trying to do your own version. By putting me down
now, and making a big public show, you are hopeful that your version will
receive lots of credibility and support - because YOU thought of it.
Well if the "concept" of ISPs banding together and reselling Carrier
services ever does come together - history will know where the first public
formation was made. And many will know that the private discussions have
gone on for a lot longer.
It's a shame really. This is EXACTLY what I've been saying. So many ISPs
have too much ego and not enough brain. There is a difference as someone
recently pointed out to me about running a business and being run by a
business. (So Mr. E, I take notes!)
>If you want to consolidate ISPs under a single structure, act like a real
God, no. I'm not Koltai wanting to own the world. Not that his ideas and
concepts aren't possible, plausible or good, I'm just not him.
I want ot see those hard working ISPs who have intelligence and business
skills or even just technical skills supported so they can compete better
in the market, even against one another, but with the same fair advantage.
You seem to want to see ISPs continue to pay Telstra at Retail prices. I
think you have the Telstra Agenda far more than me. At least I'm thinking
Wholesale in the true sense and also pushing a fair line where ISPs almost
lock their customers into their business not just for Internet access, but
all telecommunications services.
DOH! What a bad idea.
>entrepreneur and throw VC money at them like Pacific Internet, Asia Online
>and Austar are doing.
Bah! Asia Online can't even work out what SSI is on a web server. They
totally screwed up one of my now moved clients sites.
>This touches on another problematic concept: "to blitz Telstra and any
>other carrier using carrier resources and not requiring carrier licences".
>Adam, this argument is more deserving of the "brain dead and very stupid"
>line which you threw at the rest of the industry. How do you think you are
>to convince the carriers to give you call termination revenue if you're
>not even trying to look as if you are investing in infrastructure?
You are blinded by a narrowed view set of blinkers. I was going to say you
are so foolish.
Paul, I'm not interested. I've always had a bad feeling about most of the
people involved with Ausbone. Wolves hunt in packs and hang around in the
same pack. Different packs will fight each other to the death for
territory. I don't think I need to elaborate. That's just a personal
opinion. Based on experience and knowledge and feedback.
>I won't be there, because my organisation is not involved - better to ask
>Peter Coroneous, he's the man you want. AusBONE is not a representative
>body for ISPs, except on the peering issue. I will wish you good luck,
>however, along with Mark R and Ross W.
See NIMBYY! Not In My Back Yard - Yet.
Where IIA is concerned I'd rather have them as far away as possible. If
the IIA wanted in, they'd be knocking on the door. Clearly they either
don't care or support the ACA and Federal Government. Ala they are in fact
Politically motivated. Nothing new there. Stay on side with whom ever is
in power, or just below that. Stay on Side with the agency so that when the
power changes, you don't get changed too.
Oh and Mark is an Ausbone Member. So Ausbone in many ways is connected.
Ausbone Members are ISPs and required to meet the same
legislation. Ausbone might be next on the agenda. Rules change to
accommodate the will of the power, not the will of the people. You'll
realise this one day.
But I'm glad you won't be there. It shows without doubt that I was
right. You don't care, it's not your problem and as long as you get paid
each month/week whatever, you can't give a damn.
It shows you won't even support your own members - Viper Communications
being one. You just leave them on the outer. Nice way to do business.
Nice to see the attitude of Ausbone is no different to far too many
ISPs. "I don't care, it's not me."
Thanks for the point in proof.
Oh and *I* have nothing to do with the actions either. I don't need to be
there. But I've been asked to help/or volunteered.
There is a little spirit left, but it's obviously limited to very few
people and groups.