[LINK] FW: Netscape should stop whining about Microsoft domin ance --S. Richman

[Michael Still]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Chirgwin, Richard wrote:

Eiffel rings some bells for me too. They're website sure isn't very
helpful on the issue.

Mikal

> Eiffel...I'd say "if my memory serves me correctly" except that after the
> Eclipse embarassment, my memory obviously doesn't! But Eiffel is right.
>
> RC
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Still [mailto:mikal@stillhq.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 13:42
> > To: Chirgwin, Richard
> > Cc: link@www.anu.edu.au
> > Subject: RE: [LINK] FW: Netscape should stop whining about Microsoft
> > domin ance --S. Richman
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Chirgwin, Richard wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, Monash Uni has a Monash.Net project which ported
> > <<insert name of
> > language I have forgotten>> to .Net. MS AU now pushes them around the
> > country side selling their consulting services for porting existing
> > applications to .Net.
> >
> > I know that work has been approached to ask if we should use
> > Monash.Net's
> > services.
> >
> > Mikal
> >
> > > Rick - the marketecture from M$ is that .Net at the server
> > side can be
> > > deployed to XML at the client side. If they're telling the
> > truth, that
> > > doesn't necessarily exclude non-M$ browsers, does it?
> > >
> > > I'd add that there are already non-M$ languages ported to the VS.Net
> > > development environment ... even (heaven forbid!) Cobol ...
> > >
> > > All of this debate does, however, add interest to the
> > Microsoft Eclipse
> > > initiative...www.eclipse.org
> > >
> > > Richard C
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rick Welykochy [mailto:rick@praxis.com.au]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 10:45
> > > > To: grove@zeta.org.au
> > > > Cc: Malcolm Miles; link@www.anu.edu.au
> > > > Subject: Re: [LINK] FW: Netscape should stop whining
> > about Microsoft
> > > > dominance --S. Richman
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > grove@zeta.org.au wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:52:50 +1100 (EST), you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >If .Net becomes the smash hit MS hopes it will be, there
> > > > will be a great
> > > > > > >divide in Internet access.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why do you say that? I have coded a few Web sites using .Net
> > > > > > technology (ASP.NET, ADO.NET) and they can be accessed
> > > > via Netscape or
> > > > > > Opera without any problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is now.  Wait 12-18 months.  You will not be able to
> > > > access sites developed
> > > > > with .Net without using Microsoft browsers or software
> > > > technology heavily
> > > > > licensed from Microsoft.  They just haven't ramped up the
> > > > technology yet.
> > > > > Recall ActiveX doesn't work on anything other than Windows
> > > > based OS platforms.
> > > > > .Net will be the same thing, only worse.  Regardless of
> > > > what people like
> > > > > Miguel Icaza say/do, market share is everything to
> > > > Microsoft and there
> > > > > is a chance here for them to do the same thing as they
> > always do.
> > > >
> > > > Exacto. The .NET initiative is cloaked in hazy marketing
> > > > terms and excessively
> > > > vague PR. Most do not understand the underlying technology
> > > > ... which is distributed
> > > > objects. The client (read browser) will be executing C# (and
> > > > other) language
> > > > modules sent over the net. If you do not have a client (most
> > > > likely running
> > > > on Windows and written by MS), you will not be able to use .NET.
> > > >
> > > > BTW: Think Java: .NET and C# are MS's answer to Java.
> > > >
> > > > -rickw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > _____________________________________________
> > > > Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Pty Limited
> > > >
> > > > Immediately before the big bang occurred, a loud voice was
> > > > heard saying 'Oh, shit!'
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com)     UMT+11hrs
> >
>

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Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com)     UMT+11hrs