At 15:10 21/03/02 +1000, Richard.Chirgwin wrote: >Eiffel...I'd say "if my memory serves me correctly" except that after the >Eclipse embarassment, my memory obviously doesn't! But Eiffel is right. There .NET / Monash / Eifell --> Bertrand Meyer ! See "Other activities" at http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/meyer/