[LINK] So, you're worried about RFID?
stil at stilgherrian.com
Fri Aug 20 16:14:31 EST 2004
At 15:41 +1000 20/8/04, Deus Ex Machina wrote:
>business is about creating value.
I agree 100%. That is the purpose of a business.
>businesses that dont create value for
>customers and staff dont create value for shareholders.
I agree, more or less. I would pout a "tend to" in there. This is not
>create value for the comunity prosper, one that dont disapear.
I disgree. I'd re-state this as "Businesses which can successfully
sell a product/service to enough people to turn a profit can
prosper." There need be no net benefit for "the community". A
pathological case would be a tobacco company.
>is a community issue that the community is against then nothing need be
>done other then to sit back and watch the business that adopt it go
I disagree with the idea that "nothing need be done other than". It
assumes perfect knowledge of all players, a "perfect market" (in
whatsisname's theoretical sense) and an equal power relationship.
These conditions do not exist.
>property rights are a fundamental building block of modern prosperity.
>without respect for property rights you have socialism or other
I will agree that "property rights are a fundamental building block
of modern capitalism". No argument there. And I will agree that
modern capitalism has resulted in many westerners becoming prosperous.
I contend that this may or may not have resulted in a *general*
increase in prosperity globally -- I don't know enough about global
economics to tell that -- and I am tempted to think that you and most
Linkers aren't either.
To use a phrase like "socialism or other equivalent evils" is to
*assert* that socialism in its myriad forms is inherently "evil"
(cheap rhetorical trick!). This is disingenuous.
(Please note: I'm not saying that socialism is good, either. I'm
merely pointing out the logical flaws in your statements -- at least
least where you're asserting an opinion rather than proving a case.
There's not enough information there to assume anything about my own
personal political views.)
> > Or are you suggesting that *any* criticism of a business' operations,
>> or any suggestion which limits the 'freedom" of business in any way
>> whatsoever, or any investigation of the negative aspects of a new
>> technology, is is "anti-capitalist"?
>you have a freedom of speech, criticise all you like. but you have no
>right to tell business how to make commercial decisions. if you want
>that right go join the boards of business you want to run.
I notice you avoid addressing my question about whether you see any
criticism of business as "anti-capitalism" c.f. McCarthyist
If I have "freedom of speech", then actually I *do* have the right to
tell business how to make commercial decisions. If I'm not on the
board, or more accurately if I'm not representative of a majority of
shareholders, then the business then has the "right" to ignore me.
> > In an earlier post I mentioned that I don't know much about RFID. I'm
>> still in that boat. But I don't think that aggressively telling
>> people "There are no problems. You're being anti-capitalist" will
>> re-assure them.
>its a question of facing reality.
Reality as asserted by your good self without evidence or argument.
>> capitalism is not the only way of viewing the world.
>I dont know where you live
Sydney. It says so on my .sig. :)
>but I cant tell the difference
>between the economic policies of our labor and liberal parties nor
Then you need to look more closely. :) They're close, yes, but there
are key differences, apparently. This is, of course, outside both our
>I venture to say that your statement is more of a plea for a
>vision of a western politics then a claim as to where its at.
Maybe. But if I *do* have a plea, it would be a personal request to
see the world is slightly less black-and-white terms, and to realize
that someone doesn't become "anti-capitalist" simply because they
challenge a viewpoint that you hold. And I will try to do the same,
in a vice versa kind of way.
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