[LINK] .uk - Net blamed for rise in child porn
Richard.Chirgwin at informa.com.au
Wed Jan 14 10:29:30 EST 2004
David, you're still making a connection which many people find unacceptable:
that if we claim to oppose child porn, then we should agree with any
statement you endorse about it.
My position is simple: I demand rigour and respect for facts. Here is the
quote from the researcher, from the transcript. You can listen to the audio
if you like as well.
>KIRSTEN AIKEN: It stands to reason that the Internet has allowed easier
>collection and distribution of these images, but before 1998, the
>possession of child porn in Britain wasn't a crime, so perhaps the rise
>isn't as significant as you think?
>JOHN CARR: But making and taking was, and all of the 1,500 per cent >figure
that I just mentioned, it covers all three categories of >offences. You're
right, it wasn't until 1988 that it became a crime, but >I suspect that if
you were to go for an earlier date, you'd find that >there was an even
larger percentage increase.
A greater percentage increase after the new crime was invented. I have not
The same statement was made in the BBC report:
>But Ray Wyre, a sexual crime consultant who
>has treated offenders, said the problem may
>have been worse in the past than society had realised.
>"Before 1988 child pornography, the possession
>of it, was not an offence," he told BBC
>Radio 4's Today programme.
Note that this also agrees with an inference I drew in my previous post: a
new crime was created >because< a significant problem already existed.
From: David Goldstein
To: Link Mailing List
Sent: 14/01/04 07:08
Subject: Re: [LINK] .uk - Net blamed for rise in child porn
Some points to make:
* the articles weren't blaming only the internet - read the
articles and not you own prejudices Craig. The incidence of
child porn available has increased SIGNIFICANTLY. Only those who
don't care would make comments like yours Crag. And Craig, I
made no conclusion. You just don't want to face the fact that
the internet has made child porn much more accessible and
something needs to be done, so don't make up what I believe to
suit your argument
* Saliya 'more bastards are being caught' for a number of
reasons, but the evidence is the amount of child porn available
is skyrocketing, and that in recent years much more new material
has become available for the first time - previously it was the
same old pictures over and over, largely
* Danny, it has been shown there is a link, probably a strong
one, between child abuse and child pornography
* Richard, I don't have time now but will later, but of you
listen to the interviews, there is the reason given for starting
the figures in 1988. I've no idea what the AM interviewer did,
but the BBC interviews would be more on the ball - funding helps
with this, and it was in the UK. You say they spin their data, I
say it's fact. There is no evidence they have spun their data -
I guess you're hoping they have
* I agree with Jim re the moral panic about child abuse/porn,
but there are people who focus on all sorts of issues - you
could use your argument about the environment too. But while you
say people get completely over child abuse, and this is not what
the issue is here, it is the access to child porn, there are
plenty who don't, and go on to commit greater crimes
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