[LINK] Conscious computers?

[Kevin McKern]

Penrose postulates quantum computing in biological structures. That is crap,
IMO. 
At some point the bottom up and top down approaches will meet and we will
have machine intelligence.
The trouble is probably that said intelligence will be as defective and
jerry rigged as our own.
Hi guys, I been fwd link stuff to a link folder without reading it,
interesting times.

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[mailto:link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of Con Zymaris
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2005 10:07 AM
To: David Boxall
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Subject: Re: [LINK] Conscious computers?


On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 08:51:13PM +1000, David Boxall wrote:
> A bit of a worry:
> 
> <http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/05/23/brain.download/index.html>
> ...
> Pearson also predicted that it would be possible to build a fully
> conscious computer with superhuman levels of intelligence as early as
2020.
> ...
> 
> "We're already looking at how you might structure a computer that 
> could
> become conscious. Consciousness is just another sense, effectively, and 
> that's what we're trying to design in computer."
> 
> Pearson said that computer consciousness would make feasible a whole 
> new
> sphere of emotional machines, such as airplanes that are afraid of
crashing.
> 
> By 2020 Pearson also predicted the creation of a "virtual world" of
> immersive computer-generated environments in which we will spend 
> increasing amounts of time, socializing and doing business.

Obviously none of these genuises has read much Roger Penrose ;-)

 http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-09-chalmers.html

Here's a blipvert version: 

 "In his stimulating book Shadows of the Mind, Roger Penrose presents 
 arguments, based on Gödel's theorem, for the conclusion that human 
 thought is uncomputable."

So, in short, no matter what process is used, no matter how blindingly 
fast or complex the computing machinery, it will never attain 'intelligence'
or 'consciousness'.

And yes, I've read and understand Dan Dennet's rebuttal, but I'm with
Penrose on this one.

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