Deus Ex Machina
vicc at cia.com.au
Thu Mar 10 06:43:05 EST 2005
Craig Sanders [cas at taz.net.au] wrote:
> > the war on terror, is a marketing concpet imo its really a cultural
> > war. modern secular principles vs archaic religious ones.
> if only it was that simple.
> what we're witnessing right now is the establishment of an empire, but
> unlike most empires in the past, from the roman to the british, this one
> feels no obligation to actually govern, they desire only to asset-strip.
> btw, do you really think that america is an example of modern secular
> principles? if so, you really are out of touch.
again its about as good as it gets. its not about exterminating
christians anymore then exterminating moslems.
> it's far more accurate to say it's one bunch of nutcase fundamentalists
> (well funded, with massive resources and armaments up to and including
> nukes) vs another bunch of nutcase fundamentalists (nowhere near so well
> funded, but with lots of loony recruits willing to die for their cause).
I disagree, republicans pander to the religious right but in
actual governance there is a clear separation between state and church
with a few little incursions here and there. the terrorist groups on the other side want to
eliminate secular state and replace it with religion state.
> > there is no way we are not going to win, the issue is really what is
> > the cost of doing so going to be.
> this war is unwinnable. by design. it's orwellian perpetual war, with
> a better enemy than "drug lords", better even than "communists" (they
> had the disadvantage of being in a fixed location and were, ultimately,
> beatable...and frankly not really that much of a threat, they were
> contained for decades with trade embargos, which made it kind of
> inevitable that they would wither away).
the cold war on the USSR was unwinable for a long time, it wasnt till the
CIA and gorby noticed russia was bankrupt that reagan realised it
was essentially already won.
in principal russia and its satelite states where big enough to be self sufficient.
in reality it struggled to feed its people. while the US, despite making
policy errors here and there, by comparison absolutely thrived.
the lesson where and are still very clear, central planning of supply and demand was a lousy
subsitute for market pricing mechanisms socialisation of production and most property
I have a friend who just return from a holliday through south america
and cuba, he had some idealistic notions about cuba. as I expected the reality as very
> terrorists are such a wonderful enemy because they're all hiding...and
> if you manage to kill or capture some major figures, it's easy to make
> another one. and best of all, they're crazy so they can be counted on to
> commit some atrocity which can be used to justify even further erosion
> of civil liberties.
again I dont agree, people only get the urge to blow themselves up when
their conditions suck majorily. as much as some people hate mcdonalds I
have yet to see anyone blow themselves up in protest in one of the dinners.
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