[LINK] MEAA tells Creative Commons to get f**ed

Sun Mar 20 09:53:16 EST 2005

That's harsh, so what if a lot of CC is not likely to be re-used, heaps of
crap on the web's got (c) on it too.   The point is, I think, to distinguish
between things of commercial value and things of cultural value - sometimes
they are the same, and the latter affords the former through profit, other
times they are not the same, but I'm not sure that is the same as
"valueless". 

The customisable "scale" approach has limitations, I agree, but they are
limitations due to flexibility, where as (c) vs PD was clear because they
were absolutes.  But there are advantages too, lots of advantages as GNU has
shown in that particular area.  Yes, a lot of non-commercial content is
rubbish, but not always (http://www.deviantart.com/).  Just as a lot of OSS
is rubbish,  but not always (http://www.openoffice.org/).   

The problem for artists is they would like, I'm sure, some form of CC
approach - e.g. take "the avalanches" for a moment, a high sampling band
(http://www.theavalanches.com/) - but the industry has no particular motive
to change its approach.  And why should it, its nicely protected by the
current status quo.

P

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-----Original Message-----
From: Deus Ex Machina [mailto:vicc at cia.com.au] 
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2005 9:18 AM
To: Peter Chen
Cc: 'Link list'
Subject: Re: [LINK] MEAA tells Creative Commons to get f**ed

the biggest problem with CC is that lessig is associated with it. while I
wholeheartledly agree with valenti, that people should be able to give away
rights, lessigs motivations seem to be to, and I could be wrong, to strip
rights and income away from large players in the entertainment industry.

the reality of cc is that 99.9999...% of it is about throwing away stuff
that is effectively valueless into a wasteleand from nobody will ever use
it.

its a feelgood for peoples blogs.

Vic

Peter Chen [pjchen at optusnet.com.au] wrote:
> Then sleep snow white, Sony only come around after a decade on the fence.
> 
> Peter
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> There is something insane about a lack of doubt. Doubt, to me anyway, 
> is what makes you human, and without doubt even the righteous lose 
> their grip not only on reality but also on their humanity.
> - Tilda Swinton
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of Deus Ex Machina
> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2005 1:17 PM
> To: Antony Barry
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> Subject: Re: [LINK] MEAA tells Creative Commons to get f**ed
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> wake me up when sony starts pushing it.
> 
> Vic
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> Antony Barry [tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au] wrote:
> > 
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> > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > >The attached message has been automatically discarded.
> > >From: Viveka Weiley <viveka.weiley at gmail.com>
> > >Date: 19 March 2005 12:21:27 AM
> > >To: Link <link at anu.edu.au>
> > >Subject: Re: [LINK] MEAA tells Creative Commons to get f**ed
> > >Reply-To: Viveka Weiley <viveka.weiley at gmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:34:01 +1100, Deus Ex Machina 
> > ><vicc at cia.com.au>
> > >wrote:
> > >>I can['t] see any reason why apra would be keen to endorse it. its 
> > >>job is to collect royalties. providing shades of use will make 
> > >>collection that much more difficult. currently royalties are 
> > >>mostly collected on formula basis.
> > >
> > >Quite true; APRA has no reason to like CC. However it has no choice 
> > >but to work with CC; copyright is broken, and for new artists CC is 
> > >attractive. Unless they act, collection agencies like APRA will end 
> > >up out of the loop.
> > >
> > >>the last thing APRA want is to get into a discussion about 
> > >>modified works and exemptions etc. I cant see anyone major in the 
> > >>entertainment business taking creative commons seriously.
> > >
> > >Are you on crack? Just asking :) How about The Beastie Boys? David 
> > >Byrne, Chuck D, Gilberto Gil, the BBC? All of them releasing 
> > >content under CC licenses. I suppose those groups are communist 
> > >organisations, so they may not count as serious.
> > >
> > >Jack Valenti serious enough for you?
> > >Copyright-extension extremist, president of the MPAA for 38 years, 
> > >the man who compared the VCR to the Boston Strangler and 
> > >archictected the Hollings Bill. Spoke at the Creative Commons 
> > >launch to endorse it as "salutory", "useful", "worthy" (he likes 
> > >the folksy southern gentleman
> > >schtick) and "a marvellous balance".
> > >You can watch the video here:
> > >http://www.lisarein.com/videos/cclaunch/lreincclaunch2-
> > >barlowvalenti.mov
> > >(you may have to skip over John Perry Barlow, well-known anarchist 
> > >and clearly not serious, who speaks for the first half of the clip).
> > >This just scratches the surface of the deep and very serious 
> > >support that CC has gathered from people outside the entertainment 
> > >industry like the Prelinger archive, MIT, Stanford, the Internet 
> > >Archive, O'Reilly, QUT, the American Bar Association, and on and on.
> > >
> > >>its another example of
> > >>peoples widely divergent value maps.
> > >
> > >That, I can agree with.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >V.
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