[LINK] German left slam email spy plan
wavey_one at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 5 10:27:10 EST 2007
You just don't get it Marghanita. So you're telling me that because Wikipedia says so, that's fact? Maybe you should ask yourself if "centre" in the political spectrum is the same in Australia, the USA, Sweden, France, Germany, Chile, Japan, Botswana, Saudi Arabia...
Read a little, and one only needs to read a little, of the politics and social values in various countries and you will quite easily see that there are distinct variations on what is centre, centre-right and centre-left. Indeed, just look at what Merkel proposed in her election campaign and has done since. Even without the "grand coalition", there is a snowflake's chance in hell of her introducing changes along the lines of Tories in Australia, the US or even the UK.
Stop quoting from Wikipedia and deal with reality.
----- Original Message ----
From: Marghanita da Cruz <marghanita at ramin.com.au>
To: David Goldstein <wavey_one at yahoo.com>
Cc: Link list <link at anu.edu.au>
Sent: Monday, 3 September, 2007 2:19:54 PM
Subject: Re: [LINK] German left slam email spy plan
David Goldstein wrote:
> What's "centre-right" in Europe is not centre-right in Australia... Wikipedia doesn't deal with this... a passing following of European politics tells you this.
According to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre-right>
"The centre-right is a political term commonly used to describe or denote
individuals, political parties or organisations (such as think tanks) whose
views stretch from the centre to the right on the left-right spectrum, excluding
far right stances. Centre-right can also describe a coalition of centrist and
Wikipedia can facilitate a personal passing spectrum analysis of political
parties across countries.
and perhaps the greens offer some calibration between Germany and Australia:
"During her 1984 visit to Australia, West German Greens parliamentarian Petra
Kelly urged that the various Greens groups in Australia develop a national
identity. Partly as a result of this, fifty Greens activists gathered in
Tasmania in December to organise a national conference"
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Marghanita da Cruz <marghanita at ramin.com.au>
> To: David Goldstein <wavey_one at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Link list <link at anu.edu.au>
> Sent: Monday, 3 September, 2007 8:26:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [LINK] German left slam email spy plan
> David Goldstein wrote:
>> Germany's so-called "right-wing government" is a grand coalition - a coalition of the CDU (Christian Democrats) and
>> the SPD (Social Democrats) - the 2 largest parties. It's the chancellor
>> who comes from the CDU. The CDU itself is more left wing than a Labor government in Australia, the Democrats in the USA and probably the British Labour government...
> Christian Democratic Union of Germany (CDU Â Christlich Demokratische Union
> Deutschlands) is the second largest political party in Germany. A centre-right
> Christian party,
> and from
> Founded in 1875, the Social Democratic Party of Germany (Sozialdemokratische
> Partei Deutschlands--SPD) is Germany's oldest political party and its largest in
> terms of membership. After World War II, under the leadership of Kurt
> Schumacher, the SPD reestablished itself as an ideological party, representing
> the interests of the working class and the trade"
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Marghanita da Cruz <marghanita at ramin.com.au>
>> To: Link list <link at anu.edu.au>
>> Sent: Friday, 31 August, 2007 1:04:22 PM
>> Subject: [LINK] German left slam email spy plan
>> I thought Germany had a right wing government however,...
>>> LEFT-WING members of the ruling coalition have objected strongly to plans by the German interior ministry to enlist email spy software to monitor terror suspects.
>>> A ministry spokesman confirmed that the proposed plank of new anti-terror legislation vetted the use of "Trojans" which smuggle themselves into a suspect's computer disguised as a harmless email.
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