[LINK] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Brits' Failed Heavy Metal Censorship Attempt Disrupts Wikipedia Edits
kim at holburn.net
Mon Dec 8 19:13:20 EST 2008
On 2008/Dec/08, at 4:07 AM, David Goldstein wrote:
> I stand by what I said. And a shame you didn't actually read what I
> said Rene.
> In the UK it is all voluntary, albeit originally under the threat of
> government regulation and largely still is I think.
Voluntary for the ISPs in question perhaps but for the users,
involuntary, arbitrary, opaque and secretive.
> It's not what is being proposed in Australia.
No? In what sense? That it's voluntary, at least for ISPs? That it
doesn't work? That it gets in the way of people using the internet
for valid purposes? That users have no idea what and when it will be
> Face reality - the government is going to get involved in some way.
> And if the industry doesn't come up with workable solutions then
> government, rightly or wrongly, will.
It's not a workable solution because there isn't one, this one is a
dangerous and annoying fake, a placebo, snake oil.
> You can stamp your feet and get red in the face and say how wrong it
> is all you like. But come up with a workable solution that addresses
> the issues what the government wants. But that hasn't happened in
> Australia apart from the IIA code that addresses some of the issues.
Governments have legislated that pi is equal to 3, but that doesn't
make it so.
> So talk all the nonsense you want Rene. Quote all the figures,
> morals and even god if you want, but it doesn't deal with the issues.
Neither does this.
> And as I said, if there had been a similar situation introduced into
> Australia, I'd bet we'd be avoiding the discussion that is happening
> now about what the government wants to introduce.
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: rene <rene.lk at libertus.net>
> To: link at mailman1.anu.edu.au
> Sent: Monday, 8 December, 2008 1:55:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [LINK] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] Brits' Failed Heavy Metal
> Censorship Attempt Disrupts Wikipedia Edits
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:27:57 -0800 (PST), David Goldstein wrote:
>> The "system" in which the Wikipedia page in question was censored is
>> not part of what Conroy is proposing.
> Nonsense, David.
> Some ISPs in the UK 'block' content on the IWF's blacklist. IWF put
> Wikipedia page on its blacklist.
> Conroy/Labor 'plans' that all Australian ISPs be required to 'block'
> content on the ACMA's blacklist, and that the IWF's blacklist
> content be
> imported into the ACMA's blacklist.
>> The page in question was reported to the Internet Watch Foundation's
>> hotline. The "content was considered to be a potentially illegal
>> indecent image of a child under the age of 18, but hosted outside the
>> UK. The IWF does not issue takedown notices to ISPs or hosting
>> companies outside the UK, but we did advise one of our partner
>> abroad and our law enforcement partner agency of our assessment. The
>> specific URL (individual webpage) was then added to the list provided
>> to ISPs and other companies in the online sector to protect their
>> customers from inadvertent exposure to a potentially illegal indecent
>> image of a child." See http://iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm.
>> Clean Feed is a separate system developed by BT, using the IWF list.
> Separate to what David? BT's Clean Feed is implementation of
> technology to
> 'block' material on the IWF's blacklist. Other UK ISPs have
> either the same system or a similar one to also block 'block'
> material on
> the IWF's blacklist.
>> It is voluntary to be a member of the IWF and it is not compulsory
>> members to block sites. However the IWF was founded as a response to
>> government pressure to avoid regulation.
>> A shame the industry in Australia didn't follow the UK lead and we'd
>> probably be avoiding the situation of Conroy's proposals now.
> Nonsense. Conroy/Labor's blocking plan goes way beyond what some UK
> do. ACMA's blacklist currently includes material legal offline in
> Australia, including R18+, and even if it didn't it would be just as
> useless as UK ISPs' systems are in preventing access to 'illegal'
> let alone protecting children from sexual abuse. Meanwhile children
> continue to be sexually abused and images of the crimes against them
> distributed by means of P2P hosted chatrooms and filesharing, Usenet
> newsgroups, IRC, Instant messaging, email, FTP and so on, and law
> enforcement agencies around the world are insufficiently well funded
> resourced to make much of a dent in that serious problem. Nevermind
> though, throwing $AU44.5 million at so-called blocking will enable the
> government to claim they've "done something" when all they've done
> is hide
> the problem rather than fight it, thereby reducing public pressure on
> politicians to 'do something' effective, at least among people who are
> clueless enough about technology to believe that 'blocking' websites
> actually works and that the Internet consists only of web sites.
> Link mailing list
> Link at mailman.anu.edu.au
> Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline
> Link mailing list
> Link at mailman.anu.edu.au
IT Network & Security Consultant
Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3494957443
mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn
skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request
More information about the Link