[LINK] Government could demand Web history
rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au
Sun Jun 13 07:29:46 EST 2010
Kim, which of the known facts supports that statement? It looks to me
like a bit of writer's license...
Yes, the proposal is objectionable, but I consider it important to work
with facts rather than screaming 72-point tabloid headlines.
The EDD requires storage - but access to the stored data requires a
Moreover, we have a repeated journalistic assertion that web browsing
history and e-mails are to be stored, even though:
1. The EDD, which is supposed to be the basis of the consideration, does
not ask for the storage of communication content; and
2. The AG department says it's not considering the content of the
I would criticise Dylan Welch for jumping off the edge of Telegraph
Gorge on this story - except that everyone else seems to be doing the
same thing. The extent of the proposed storage is a central fact of the
story, and nobo^h^h^h^h nearly nobody seems to care whether they report
it right or not.
Kim Holburn wrote:
> Note: "and they don't want to have to apply to a court to get it."
>> Big brother wants all your bits and bytes
>> DYLAN WELCH June 12, 2010
>> THE federal government wants your personal internet data, and they
>> don't want to have to apply to a court to get it.
>> Revelations that the federal government wants Australia's 400-odd
>> internet service providers (ISPs) to log and retain customers' web
>> browsing data, so law enforcement can access it during criminal
>> cases, have sparked alarm in the industry.
>> Currently law enforcement needs court-approved search warrants
>> before they can record someone's personal data via their ISP. The
>> proposed regulation would mean companies would be forced to store
>> certain information for several years just in case it was later
>> ''Once you store that information you increase the risk of abuse,''
>> a source who works for an ISP said.
>> ''We can put our hands on our hearts and say we're good guys and we
>> don't do anything wrong, but can we say that of every other player
>> in the market?'' the source said. ''Compliance would be a big
>> The proposed regulation was broached with industry late last year
>> during consultations with the Attorney-General's Department and is
>> believed to still be in its early stages.
>> The spokesman for internet rights group Electronic Frontiers
>> Australia, Geordie Guy, said it was ironic that the government was
>> trying to encourage ISPs to retain data at the same time that it was
>> chastising Google for doing a similar thing.
>> ''The Attorney-General's Department has instructed the AFP to look
>> at Google and their conduct in terms of sniffing wireless data … how
>> they can expect to have any credibility when they are looking at
>> instructing ISPs to do exactly the same thing, I'm not sure,'' Mr
>> Guy said.
>> The government's plans were revealed yesterday in an article by
>> online tech magazine ZDNet.com.au.
>> Australia is not the first country to consider compulsory data
>> retention for its ISPs, and in 2006 the European Union adopted a
>> policy that required some states to retain data for between six and
>> 24 months.
>> The Attorney-General's Department yesterday confirmed in a statement
>> it was looking at the new regulation.
>> ''The Attorney-General's Department has been looking at the European
>> Directive on Data Retention, to consider whether such a regime is
>> appropriate within Australia's law enforcement and security context.''
>> A spokesman for the Attorney-General, Robert McClelland, denied they
>> would be looking to capture browsing history or data within emails.
>> ''The consultations relate to the information to identify the
>> participants in crime networks and terrorist organisations,'' he
>> said. ''It does not include the content of a communication.''
>> BREAKING: Govt wants access to your emails, browsing history
>> Renai LeMay11 June 2010, 2:32 PM
>> The Fed Govt is considering forcing Australian ISPs to retain data
>> on how Australian citizens are using the internet, such as their
>> sent and received email and browsing history.
>> The Federal Government has confirmed it is considering a policy
>> requiring Australian internet providers to retain precise data on
>> how their users are using the internet, with the potential to
>> include information on emails sent and — reportedly — their web
>> browsing history.
>> “The Attorney-General’s Department has been looking at the European
>> Directive on Data Retention, to consider whether such a regime is
>> appropriate within Australia’s law enforcement and security
>> context,” a spokesperson for the department confirmed via email
>> today. “It has consulted broadly with the telecommunications
>> The spokesperson’s confirmation was also contained in a report by
>> ZDNet.com.au (which broke this story), which stated that ISP
>> industry sources had flagged the potential for the new regime to
>> require ISPs to record each internet address (also known as URL)
>> that an internet user visited.
>> APC has contacted spokespeople from major ISPs such as Telstra,
>> Optus, iiNet, Internode and Adam Internet to ask for a response on
>> the matter, as well as the Internet Industry Association, a group
>> which represents the ISPs. The office Communications Minister
>> Stephen Conroy and the office of Attorney-General Robert McLelland
>> have also been contacted for comment on the matter.
>> The European Directive on Data Retention (2006) requires
>> communications providers to retain a number of categories of data
>> relating to their users.
>> Broadly speaking, they must retain data necessary to trace and
>> identify the source, destination, date, type, time and duration of
>> communications — and even what communication equipment is being used
>> by customers and the location of mobile transmissions.
>> According to the directive, where internet access is concerned, this
>> means the ISPs must retain the user ID of users, email addresses of
>> senders and recipients of email, the date and time that users logged
>> on and off from a service, and their IP address — whether dynamic or
>> static applied to their user ID.
>> For telephone conversations, this means the number from which calls
>> were placed and the number that received the call, the owner of the
>> telephone service and similar data such as the time and date of the
>> call’s commencement and completion. For mobile phone numbers,
>> geographic location data would also be included.
>> The EU directive requires that no data regarding the content of
>> communications be included, however, and it has directives regarding
>> privacy, including the fact that data would be retained for periods
>> of not less than six months and not more than two years from the
>> date of the communication.
>> Any data collected is to be destroyed at the end of that period.
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