[LINK] ACT's iiNet Wifi to Block Lots of Traffic?

Thu Sep 25 10:59:11 AEST 2014

Unless I'm reading it wrong, doesn't that mean however that anybody who is
not a Telstra customer can't use the hotspots provided by the dual-WiFi APs?

That's not really that much of a public WiFi infrastructure to my mind?

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Jim Birch <planetjim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fon or Fon-like systems have a number of significant advantages, which
> actually seem close to my ideal of how shared wifi would work.
>
> Any enabled router (with suitable software) can join the network and become
> a provider.  This could be an existing business, a home router, or a router
> set up specifically for public service.  Firewalling rules could block the
> guest users from accessing local resources.  This means, for example, that
> anyone visiting - or indeed walking past - your house or business could use
> your wifi without blowing your usage out.  Contention rules could be
> applied to give better QoS to actual in-house users and applications, if
> this is a problem.
>
> Usage is charged back to the users account at normal isp rates,
> maybe/ideally  with a small premium.  It does not have to be given away,
> though it could be if this suits the router owner.  This means that the
> usage does not have to be gated or rate limited, if you have an ID you are
> seamlessly negotiated into the network.
>
> The router owner can be paid a small percentage on the traffic value for
> providing the service.  I'm not sure if the Telstra version does this.
> This would allow the network to grow where it is profitable.
>
> While the phone companies obviously would prefer to charge people mobile
> data rates than isp data rates, this has the public advantage of taking
> demand off the phone network and spectrum and putting the traffic in local
> wifi cells.  This reduces the need for expensive and contentious phone
> towers.
>
> I haven't looked at this much, but it appears that Fon is heading for a
> first coloniser advantage.  Telstra have signed a deal with Fon which might
> give Australian exclusivity so lock out iinet, etc.  The Telstra/Fon system
> will "charge back" to the users home Internet account.  It also has the
> potential of routing "mobile" phone like calls through the internet which
> is I think what iinet were looking at.  Not sure if the Telstra
> implementation will block or degrade Skype like services.   The system need
> a reliable ID and charging system.  It would be great to see some
> interoperability enforced.  With some guaranteed openness and defenses
> against gouging the whole thing could provide a great self-funding and
> efficient public good.
>
> Jim
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> On 25 September 2014 09:40, Dr Bob Jansen <bob.jansen at turtlelane.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > Having just returned from Seoul, I am all in favour of public wifi. In
> > Seoul, every cafe/restaurant/etc provides free wifi and this enables me
> to
> > roam around Seoul and receive calls on Skype or the very successful
> > Kakaotalk system the Koreans love-all at no cost and do all my emails and
> > other web stuff. Yes, for most wifi you need a password but after a few
> > days you've got all the ones in your area and you're away. Also central
> > Seoul has a free gov provided wifi network which works very well.
> >
> > So I agree, public wifi is not new but by heck it is useful and saves you
> > from having to get a prepaid sim for which calls are expensive (I have
> one
> > of those as well but find most of my communications is via Wifi).
> >
> > Dr Bob Jansen
> > Turtle Lane Studios
> > PO Box 26 Erskineville NSW 2043 Australia
> > Ph (Australia): +61 414 297 448
> > Ph (Korea): +82 10 4494 0328
> > Skype: bobjtls
> > KakaoTalk: bobjtls
> > http://www.turtlelane.com.au
> >
> >
> > > On 25 Sep 2014, at 09:21, Tom Worthington <Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 24/09/14 07:24, Karl Auer wrote:
> > >> ... Not worthy of the same rights
> > >> and freedoms that we would demand for ourselves?  ...
> > >
> > > No, my point was that the ACT Government's public WiFi project is just
> a
> > > PR exercise, not a serious communications project. There is no point
> > > worrying about the details, as hardly anyone will use it and it will
> not
> > > last long.
> > >
> > > The provision of WiFi in public places in cities is not a new idea, not
> > > innovative and the sooner the ACT project is scrapped the better. I
> > > suggest worrying about how schemes which are likely to be more widely
> > > deployed at be more long term. As an example, Telstra's implementation
> > > of "Fon" looks more significant:
> > > http://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/wifi/
> > >
> > >
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