[Mihalic] Tupela marit i holim pas tevel man

Steven Gimbo stevengimbo at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 2 15:16:13 EST 2009 

Dear Mark,
 
Reiterating what I mentioned earlier:  'tewel man' can mean spirit. But it would be more specific to say 'male spirit,' because the caption talks about 'tewel man' not 'tewel' or 'tewel meri'

There is also the fact of diferent styles of tokpisin spoken within the different areas of PNG. Mr Umba, I believe, is from the highlands region so their style of tokpisin is quite different to the other regions. This also applies to the way words are spelt.
 
In the Momase Region, we pronounce and spell 'tevel' as 'tewel' with the "V' substituted for the "W".
 
Cheers,

Steven Gimbo


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"Devil man" is not too literal, it is simply wrong. I'd suggest "male
spirit."

PS: good to know this list is still alive! Thanks, Mark.

Don Niles
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Subject: [Mihalic] TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN

TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN

This inscription is on a painting by Thomas Umba. It shows a man and a woman
holding a pink creature that's primarily a face and what looks like two legs
and three arms. The obvious translation would be "A married couple capture a
devil man"  but I'm thinking that might be too literal. Should "tevel man"
be translated as "spirit" or "evil spirit" in this context?

Input appreciated.





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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:47:27 +1000
From: "Ngawae Mitio" <nmitio at lcs.unitech.ac.pg>
Subject: Re: [Mihalic] TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN
To: "Eby Mark" <markeby at azbri.com>
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Dear Eby Mark,

I think the original meaning of tevel was a reference to 'spirit'- good or bad. Thus if one had a dream saw a dead relative. It would be the tevel of the relative. I think the use of spirit in Tok Pisin today is a recent influence of English. Thus today one hears preachers talking about spirit man - to mean the inner man, the soul, the spirit, etc., but tevel bilong man was also used to mean the same subject in the past. I think tevel and devil or evil did not necessarily mean the same things in the past.

Ngawae Mitio
Language and Communication Studies,
University of Technology
Lae, PNG.

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> TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN
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> This inscription is on a painting by Thomas Umba. It shows a man and  
> a woman holding a pink creature that's primarily a face and what  
> looks like two legs and three arms. The obvious translation would be  
> "A married couple capture a devil man"  but I'm thinking that might  
> be too literal. Should "tevel man" be translated as "spirit" or "evil  
> spirit" in this context?
> 
> Input appreciated.
> 
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Hi
?
Yes, in this case, 'tewel man' can mean spirit. But it would be more specific to say 'male spirit,' because the caption talks about 'tewel man' not 'tewel' or 'tewel meri'
?
Cheers,
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Steven Gimbo

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TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN

This inscription is on a painting by Thomas Umba. It shows a man and? 
a woman holding a pink creature that's primarily a face and what? 
looks like two legs and three arms. The obvious translation would be? 
"A married couple capture a devil man"? but I'm thinking that might? 
be too literal. Should "tevel man" be translated as "spirit" or "evil? 
spirit" in this context?

Input appreciated.


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