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<DIV>Reiterating what I mentioned earlier: 'tewel man' can mean spirit. But it would be more specific to say 'male spirit,' because the caption talks about 'tewel man' not 'tewel' or 'tewel meri'<BR></DIV>
<DIV>There is also the fact of diferent styles of tokpisin spoken within the different areas of PNG. Mr Umba, I believe, is from the highlands region so their style of tokpisin is quite different to the other regions. This also applies to the way words are spelt.</DIV>
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<DIV>In the Momase Region, we pronounce and spell 'tevel' as 'tewel' with the "V' substituted for the "W".</DIV>
<DIV> <BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Steven Gimbo<BR><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 9/2/09, mihalic-request@anu.edu.au <I><mihalic-request@anu.edu.au></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Mihalic digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. Re: TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN<BR> (Institute of Papua New Guinea Studies)<BR> 2. Re: TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN (Ngawae Mitio)<BR> 3. Re: Mihalic Digest, Vol 58, Issue 1 (Steven Gimbo)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:25:01 +1000<BR>From: "Institute of Papua New Guinea Studies" <<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ipngs@global.net.pg" ymailto="mailto:ipngs@global.net.pg">ipngs@global.net.pg</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Mihalic] TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN<BR>To: "'Eby Mark'" <<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=markeby@azbri.com" ymailto="mailto:markeby@azbri.com">markeby@azbri.com</A>>, <<A
href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic@anu.edu.au">mihalic@anu.edu.au</A>><BR>Message-ID: <B82975CCDF2648E2BD5363EF792160A0@ytmed><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"<BR><BR>"Devil man" is not too literal, it is simply wrong. I'd suggest "male<BR>spirit."<BR><BR>PS: good to know this list is still alive! Thanks, Mark.<BR><BR>Don Niles<BR>Acting Director & Senior Ethnomusicologist<BR>Institute of Papua New Guinea Studies<BR>Box 1432<BR>Boroko 111<BR>PAPUA NEW GUINEA<BR><BR>General Editor<BR>Yearbook for Traditional Music<BR>International Council for Traditional Music<BR><BR>tel.: +675 325-4644<BR>fax: +675 325-0531<BR>email: <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ipngs@global.net.pg" ymailto="mailto:ipngs@global.net.pg">ipngs@global.net.pg</A>, <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dniles.ipngs@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:dniles.ipngs@gmail.com">dniles.ipngs@gmail.com</A><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic-bounces@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic-bounces@anu.edu.au">mihalic-bounces@anu.edu.au</A> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic-bounces@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic-bounces@anu.edu.au">mihalic-bounces@anu.edu.au</A>] On<BR>Behalf Of Eby Mark<BR>Sent: Tuesday, 1 September 2009 12:18<BR>To: <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic@anu.edu.au">mihalic@anu.edu.au</A><BR>Subject: [Mihalic] TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN<BR><BR>TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN<BR><BR>This inscription is on a painting by Thomas Umba. It shows a man and a woman<BR>holding a pink creature that's primarily a face and what looks like two legs<BR>and three arms. The obvious translation would be "A
married couple capture a<BR>devil man" but I'm thinking that might be too literal. Should "tevel man"<BR>be translated as "spirit" or "evil spirit" in this context?<BR><BR>Input appreciated.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:47:27 +1000<BR>From: "Ngawae Mitio" <<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nmitio@lcs.unitech.ac.pg" ymailto="mailto:nmitio@lcs.unitech.ac.pg">nmitio@lcs.unitech.ac.pg</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Mihalic] TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN<BR>To: "Eby Mark" <<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=markeby@azbri.com" ymailto="mailto:markeby@azbri.com">markeby@azbri.com</A>><BR>Cc: <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic@anu.edu.au">mihalic@anu.edu.au</A><BR>Message-ID: <00ac01ca2ad0$14e0a030$<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=a42901ca@unitech.ac.pg"
ymailto="mailto:a42901ca@unitech.ac.pg">a42901ca@unitech.ac.pg</A>><BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Dear Eby Mark,<BR><BR>I think the original meaning of tevel was a reference to 'spirit'- good or bad. Thus if one had a dream saw a dead relative. It would be the tevel of the relative. I think the use of spirit in Tok Pisin today is a recent influence of English. Thus today one hears preachers talking about spirit man - to mean the inner man, the soul, the spirit, etc., but tevel bilong man was also used to mean the same subject in the past. I think tevel and devil or evil did not necessarily mean the same things in the past.<BR><BR>Ngawae Mitio<BR>Language and Communication Studies,<BR>University of Technology<BR>Lae, PNG.<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Eby Mark" <<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=markeby@azbri.com" ymailto="mailto:markeby@azbri.com">markeby@azbri.com</A>><BR>To:
<<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic@anu.edu.au">mihalic@anu.edu.au</A>><BR>Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:18 PM<BR>Subject: [Mihalic] TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN<BR><BR><BR>> TUPELA MARET I HOLIM PAS TEVEL MAN<BR>> <BR>> This inscription is on a painting by Thomas Umba. It shows a man and <BR>> a woman holding a pink creature that's primarily a face and what <BR>> looks like two legs and three arms. The obvious translation would be <BR>> "A married couple capture a devil man" but I'm thinking that might <BR>> be too literal. Should "tevel man" be translated as "spirit" or "evil <BR>> spirit" in this context?<BR>> <BR>> Input appreciated.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Mark Eby<BR>> PO Box 1571<BR>> Venice, CA 90294<BR>> <A href="http://www.azbri.com/reel09/HD.mov" target=_blank>http://www.azbri.com/reel09/HD.mov</A><BR>> 310-962-2463<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Mihalic mailing list<BR>> <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Mihalic@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:Mihalic@anu.edu.au">Mihalic@anu.edu.au</A><BR>> <A href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/mihalic" target=_blank>http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/mihalic</A><BR>><BR>-------------- next part --------------<BR>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>URL: <A href="http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/mihalic/attachments/20090901/2518b782/attachment-0001.html"
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say 'male spirit,' because the caption talks about 'tewel man' not 'tewel' or 'tewel meri'<BR>?<BR>Cheers,<BR>?<BR>Steven Gimbo<BR><BR>--- On Tue, 9/1/09, <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic-request@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic-request@anu.edu.au">mihalic-request@anu.edu.au</A> <<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic-request@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic-request@anu.edu.au">mihalic-request@anu.edu.au</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic-request@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic-request@anu.edu.au">mihalic-request@anu.edu.au</A> <<A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic-request@anu.edu.au" ymailto="mailto:mihalic-request@anu.edu.au">mihalic-request@anu.edu.au</A>><BR>Subject: Mihalic Digest, Vol 58, Issue 1<BR>To: <A href="http://us.mc599.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mihalic@anu.edu.au"
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