[LINK] packaging and rubish

[Deus Ex Machina]

Howard Lowndes [lannet at lannet.com.au] wrote:
> 
> If the recycling industry is not viable then there could be any number 
> of factors:
> 1. Lack of adequate incentive for ppl to recycle;
> 2. Contamination;
> 3. Lack of resale market;
> 4. Labour costs.

ie. the problem is not big enough to justify spending money on it yet.


the real problem is the costs of recycling cant compete against the cost
of new packaging. there are no looming shortages to drive up costs of new packaging.


> >the recycling industry is currently a solution to a problem that doesnt 
> >exist.
> 
> If you don't think that running out of land fill is not a problem, then 
> perhaps we should all join your planet.

maybe you should. which uninhabited bits of australia are not on your
map, mine seems to have millions of square kms. how many sqkm a year are
we using?


> >its an issue of one small group with specific values wanting to inflict
> >them on the majority. if the majority had the same values then the
> >market pricing would reflect that. rather the only way to inflict that
> >value is through government.
> 
> In general, the majority are apathetic, or should that be "pathetic".

you are one of them, what set you apart from everyone else? nothing.

no. most are being just economical. thats a big difference.

> Don't kid yourself, business would never consider enviro packaging if it 
> is going to impact their bottom line.  

why should they?

> >justifiable investments and not require any government funding.
> >
> >whenever you have one group wanting to inflict a tax on people to shape
> >economic behavior that is really saying that the majority dont share the
> >same values as that group and that is a clear anti democratic position.
> 
> So, what's so different about most things that this government is doing.

exactly.

> >what problem does forced handling of packaging solve? a shortage of
> >supply? no if there was a shortage of supply the commodities and futures
> >markets would raise futures pricing which would make recycling more
> >attractive. there is certainly never going to be shortage of space to
> >dump waste.
> 
> I suppose you are one you drives out into the bush and just dumps your 
> crap out there - it sounds very much like it.

no. I take my excess crap to blacktown recycling center.  occasionally I
dump left over seafood in mcdonalds bins but thats just the last
remants of leftyism in me.

> >packaging pricing reflects the fact that the current usage of resources is 
> >currently
> >quite sustainable. that may change, markets are dynamic and respond 
> >quickly.
> 
> Considering the volume of packaging that is made from non-renewable 
> resources, then current levels are not sustainable.

if you say so. any perticular measurement you can refer to?

Vic