[LINK] Fwd: vip-l: Electronic votiing

[David Goldstein]

Oh dear Craig, you do get a tad upset. I have no links whatsoever with anything to do with e-voting. The only associates that benefit are the people I work with every day, and other people who are blind and vision impaired, who for the first time have the opportunity to vote independently. I didn't avoid the question. It's just I have no links, and never have, probably never will, with anything to do with e-voting. Is this clear enough for you dear? Sheesh, you do get a little upset. Poor petal.

Now, did you read anything from HREOC on what discrimination is? If you had, you would have seen that people who are blind ARE discriminated against in being not able to vote independently. Now, people in wheelchairs getting into nightclubs. Well, on access in general you will see that things like lifts and ramps would normally be provided precisely for this reason.

I would have thought in this day and age discriminating against people with disabilities would be the same as discriminating against race (you know, racism). Now, we wouldn't have restrictions on people because of their race about voting. We would provide information in additional languages, for example. So why is it you think discrimination is fine? A weird sense of justice here.

I do agree that security is an issue. But since you've got no idea on the security issues in place in Victoria at present, your scaremongering is just that. Scaremongering.

Anyway, you go run now. Have a lie down. All that raised blood pressure will cause you a problem or two if you're not careful.

Sweet dreams!

David

----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Sanders <cas at taz.net.au>
To: Link Mailing List <link at anu.edu.au>
Sent: Sunday, 19 November, 2006 2:04:06 PM
Subject: Re: [LINK] Fwd: vip-l: Electronic votiing

On Sat, Nov 18, 2006 at 06:15:27PM -0800, David Goldstein wrote:
> Again Craig Sanders demonstrates he has no idea what he's talking
> about. As it says on the HREOC website, "The Disability Discrimination
> Act makes it against the law to treat you unfairly because of
> your disability." By not enabling a person who is blind to vote
> independently is a clear case of discrimination.

no, it's not.  preventing a blind person from voting would be a clear case of
discrimination.  assisting them to vote is clearly NOT discrimination.

but it's no surprise that you keep pushing this line of odiferous
bullshit - you're an industry shill determined to present any opposition
to easily-corrupted e-voting as discrimination against poor unfortunates
(the "wont anyone think of the children?" argument).

so, come clean - what ties do you have to the e-voting industry?  what
associates of yours will profit from their introduction?  you've avoided the
question twice now.


> Further, "Direct disability discrimination happens when a person with
> a disability is treated less favourably than a person without the
> disability would be treated in the same or similar circumstances. It
> would be direct disability discrimination if you were refused entry
> to a nightclub because you have a disability and use a wheelchair but
> people who did not use a wheelchair were still being allowed into the
> club."

providing assistants to help someone vote hardly qualifies as treating them
less favourably.

assisted voting is no more discriminatory than having staff assist people in
wheelchairs into a night-club.  except in your bizarro-universe where it's
discriminatory because they're "denied the right to walk in by themselves"

> I may need advice on what security arrangements are in place in the
> current Victorian election, but then, you have no idea on what they
> are do you Craig?

actually, i do.  and i know enough about security to know that e-voting
machines can NOT be made secure no matter how hard you try.  it can not work,
the claim that it can is snake-oil, just as claims that DRM can work are snake
oil.

> And it's not about convenience, it's about discrimination and human
> rights.

wrong again. it's about profit for e-voting companies pushing
convenience for a few (under the guise of discrimination and human
rights) as a reason to undermine security and reliability for all.

the right to secure and reliable voting for ALL is far more important
than mere convenience for a few. the blind benefit from secure voting
just as much as the sighted population do. it makes no sense, in fact it
is unutterably insane, to compromise both security and reliability in
the name of convenience.


> Feel free with your opinion about me being a moron. 

it's not just opinion. you've established it as fact by demonstrating it
repeatedly.

> Hey, at least I
> don't discriminate against people with disabilities. I'll sleep better
> at night knowing that.

the stupid often sleep easy, ignorance really is bliss.




craig

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