very silly. The best comment was in the Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/1,,2006480199,00.html), a down market UK tabloid. I think that says it all -Doug -- <e> dgm at acm.org :: <m> +61 4 3755 2545 <fax> faxes sent to +1 732 301 8861 will reach me