[LINK] RFID Tagging of Children
jwhit at melbpc.org.au
Wed Oct 25 08:14:32 AEST 2006
At 11:53 PM 24/10/2006, Geoffrey Ramadan wrote:
>>- failing to destroy data when its purpose is served and transferring
>>data to third parties not involved in the purpose for which the data was
>>collected should be a criminal (NOT merely a civil) offence.
>As they are collecting personal information, I would assume that
>they would also be subject to the normal privacy laws and would need
>to include an appropriate statement which would cover these aspects.
>In regards to the RFID guidelines, these would be in additional to
>such privacy statement and would not need to be regurgitated. However, in
>our guideline will will probably make reference to it to remind them
>of such points.
Industry will NEVER propose criminal penalties for itself. That would
not be in its self-interest. That can only be done through
legislation because criminal cases are only raised by the state (as
far as I know). Current privacy law does not include criminal
offences if I remember correctly. So if someone dies as a result of
this negligence of control of sensitive information, the worst that
would be experienced by the company or agency entrusted with that
information is a fine.
As Karl said, this is not a criticism of RFID, but of the weakness of
our privacy laws in Australia. The penalties are laughable and have
yet to be applied to my knowledge. Roger may correct me on this.
>>5: For emergencies, you have huge problems of data integrity - how
>>exactly will these RFID chips be physically associated with particular
>Was thinking of a waterproof wristband they would wear all the time.
Assuming plastic? Good luck finding something that won't injure at
least one kid mucking around or trying to take it off or cutting
himself with the box cutter when he cuts it off. I focus on the boys,
but Karl's points about the fashion statement is an interesting one
for girls. Will there be pink ones for girls and blue ones for boys?
>>How do you know that the tag matches the kid - hasn't been
>>swapped or whatever?
>You don't. You minimise the risk by having it been worn all the
>time. Also if this was real issue, you could include a photograph in
so now there's a photo? What database? I thought it was just an ID
and not linked to a database? You're confusing me, Geoff.
>He also has a name, which others around him hopefully also know.
>>And what about the right of these kids to disable
>>or destroy the RFID chip (as given in the fourth Conference principle)?
>The principle applies to the "end of use" of the tag... not during.
>At the end of the conference, which concludes the purpose for which
>the RFID tag and data was collected, the wristband would be returned.
And what will ensure that the information is deleted then? And if
there is a database (see above re photo), is that covered by the
principles, to destroy the database as well? Or if there is a unique
identifier that is linked to the database, then the information won't
be destroyed, will it?
>The key purpose of using RFID is simply one of efficiency. You can
>process lots of people very quickly.
I think this is a 'system' that needs to be thoroughly mapped out and
then thrown in the bin. Efficiency is no justification for overcoming
someone's rights, in answer to a question posed in another message.
And certainly badly efficient designed systems are less of a reason.
[from Richard's reply]
>>It makes me suspect that Organisation A has the idea that if it can
>>spend a few dollars on the technology, it can slim down the number
>It is a large logistical problem..... there are several thousand
People get certified tickets to get entry to sporting events using
swipe strips or barcodes, but not chips. They aren't trackable
throughout the venue with that system, but their entry is assured as
legitimate. They aren't herded like cattle. I reckon your customer
needs to think about their view of human beings and respect them as
such, as opposed to objects.
I'll guess this is the Catholic Youth Conference where the Pope is
coming. But the food 'rations' has me stumped. Geoff, you also
mentioned the bush. What does that have to do with it? Tell us more.
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