From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 1 12:21:40 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:21:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Ramping Spam Rampant - again In-Reply-To: <459728A0.1080803@lannet.com.au> References: <45970CFC.1010901@lannet.com.au> <5ii0ro$20mapu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <459725DB.1030801@lannet.com.au> <459728A0.1080803@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070101121925.0395dad8@wheresmymailserver.com> At 02:04 PM 31/12/2006, Howard Lowndes wrote: >>I think spam has got out of the realm of the pimply faced youth - it's >>more in the realm of organised crime. > >IMO anti-spam legislation is pretty pointless. When are governments going >to take the stick to the other end and start beating those with buggered >systems, or force their ISPs to take the big stick to them. Slapping a few >ISPs with a clue stick would make most of them wake up to themselves - but >then, it might reduce their traffic revenue and not too many governments >will take that tack. :( Actually as good as that sounds, that's really stepping into the world of Orwellianism. We really don't want the Government making legislation to punish or prosecute end users for ignorance. And we don't want end users become knowledgeable enough to be stupid and dangerous. The best governance is for Government to prosecute the people who cause the SPAM, not the innocent people who happened to be used. The problem is Law Enforcement doesn't care about Mums and Dads being affected by SPAM, they will only prosecute SPAMers who hit Government Agencies with traffic. From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 1 12:18:42 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:18:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Increased virus activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$20o4h4@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$20o4h4@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070101121657.0395ddf0@wheresmymailserver.com> At 05:52 PM 31/12/2006, Jan Whitaker wrote: >Linkers, >On top of spam, I am seeing more attached executables with subject lines >like Happy new year. Wouldn't surprise me if the increase in spam is a >result of these, but I'm not going to open them to find out! Might be a >sign of DSL and broadband subscriptions for Christmas presents. I suspect most of these are zapped by my sendmail filters looking for attachments that meet certain signatures and rejecting them. You'll note that most of these attachments are 30kb or 79kb zip files. I automatically destroy any screen saver files, bat files or com files. If someone has a need to send them to me, not only will it have been arranged prior, but they'd be smart enough to use ftp and upload it to my ftp server :) Jan, keep on deleting :) Maybe add a filter to your Email proggy to just drop them into oblivion? From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 1 15:22:30 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:22:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Spam, Virus and Trojans - Statistics Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070101145000.06dbe018@mail.ah.net> Hi all. Just in keeping with the current thread on SPAM, I've been doing my usual cleaning up my Euroda Mail Boxes (thank goodness they are mbox format!) and have some summary statistic to announce :) I filter inbound mail at my mail server, ay my delivery point and within Eudora. The goal is that only genuine mail gets to me. Mail lists are all subscribed to with a unique email addresses specific to that list, I use unique addresses for most business contact. Only people I converse with in private are consolidated into generic user addresses such as "adam@" Many links I see use my address' in domains todd.inoz.com and ah.net which is kinda interesting. In December 2004 I implemented TMDA (Challenge/Response) on my mail server and applied it to two of my accounts. I have a bypass account that isn't processed by TMDA. I use a virtual mail system managed by Sendmail. So each unique addresses is pointed to a local delivery address or mechanism. I haven't done a parse over the virtual tables to see how many addresses are listed or what proportion of addresses go to with delivery point. If anyone is interested, email me and I'll update the date. The results are of those trapped or filtered but retained within Eudora. Many are probably rejected at the initial connection for delivery. VIRUS ----- I thought I'd start with Virus type emails. Be the virus attached or included within the email itself. It might run with Outlook, but as I don't use it I can filter it. 2005 Received 42 virii 2006 Zero TROJANS ------- These are applications attached to which mostly you are invited to open the attachment to view or action the contents. YEAR MESSAGES KB 2000 14 18K 2001 No Records 2002 No Records 2003 No Records 2004 355 709K 2005 93 567K 2006 52 229K ** The entries in 2000, I haven't looked at, but suspect they may be 2006 messages that have fake dates but were received in 2005 or 2006. BLOCK ------- These are messages that meet the criteria of unsolicted SPAM. Unlike Craig Saunders who calls spam anything he didn't create himself, I do not consider a message from a person on a mail list I subscribe to as SPAM. These are messages that relate to penis enlarging, having better sex with your partner, or making my boob bigger. I tend to think that making my boobs bigger might not be in my masculine best interests. Although in the case of my wife, she find the penis enlarging messages a bit odd, she hasn't considered a sex change. These are messages that made it through ALL FILTERS YEAR Messages K 1998< 64 216 1999 757 3,283 2000 1,086 5,276 2001 6,408 41,491 2002 10,765 60,701 2003 5,825 26,280 2004/2 2,027 4,759 (Jan - 30 June) 2004/2 7,572 15,366 (Jul - 31 Dec) 2005/F 543 3,913 (Received in 2005, but Nil or fake date) 2005/2 254 1,313 (Jan - 30 June) 2005/2 76 336 (Jul - 31 Dec) 2006 4,964 20,630 (Full year) 2006/F 28 106 (Recieved in 2006, but Nil of fake date) *2003 implemented broader RBL and Sendmail rejecting *2004 Dec - implemented TMDA filtering It's interesting to see the HUGE increase during 2006 or messages that bypass traditional and new design filters. BOUNCES ------- These are bounce notifications from the Mailer-Daemon. Some may in fact be legitimate bounces from messages sent to incorrect typed addresses on my server, this would be rare. Most are messages that my server may have tried to send back to a fake address and failed. YEAR Msgs K 1998 26 81 1999 210 2,103 2000 1,020 3,678 2001 202 863 2002 957 9,890 2003 655 7,688 2004 1,257 9,861 2005 6,645 33,214 2006 9,155 79,790 * A noticeable increase in bounced messages is noticed after TMDA is implemented which sends a message to the sender asking them to verify. It's fairly conclusive that most of these messages which bypass Sendmail Filtering, RBL Filtering and other Anti SPAM measures getting to the point of delivery, are from invalid addresses. TMDA-BOUNCE ----------- These are messages specifically created as Bounced by TMDA software. I only started collecting these in 2006. HTML MESSAGES ------------- I filter all messages that contain HTML. Some are legitimate, some are not. I don't have much time to spare sorting through them so generally look for senders I know - many are Linkers! I take out the legitimate ones, so they aren't included :) YEAR Msgs K 2003 7,607 27,766 2004 23,994 85,769 2005 Missing 2006 Not Processed .... 2006 1,028 14,776 (Mix of mostly legitimate and minimal HTML SPAM) YEAR Msgs K 2006 1,491 3,292 ATTACHMENTS ----------- Attachments are anything that didn't fit into the above. Mostly ZIP, COM and some Screen Savers that weren't detected as Trojans YEAR Msgs K 2004 1,508 4,071 2005 1,038 5,746 2006 1,289 4,785 (About 5% are mis-sorted messages) From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 1 16:02:42 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 16:02:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Ramping Spam Rampant - again In-Reply-To: <45986E1B.5090406@lannet.com.au> References: <45970CFC.1010901@lannet.com.au> <5ii0ro$20mapu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <459725DB.1030801@lannet.com.au> <459728A0.1080803@lannet.com.au> <6.2.0.14.0.20070101121925.0395dad8@wheresmymailserver.com> <45986E1B.5090406@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070101155650.0214fc30@wheresmymailserver.com> At 01:12 PM 1/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >Adam Todd wrote: >>At 02:04 PM 31/12/2006, Howard Lowndes wrote: >>>>I think spam has got out of the realm of the pimply faced youth - it's >>>>more in the realm of organised crime. >>> >>>IMO anti-spam legislation is pretty pointless. When are governments >>>going to take the stick to the other end and start beating those with >>>buggered systems, or force their ISPs to take the big stick to them. >>>Slapping a few ISPs with a clue stick would make most of them wake up to >>>themselves - but then, it might reduce their traffic revenue and not too >>>many governments will take that tack. :( >>Actually as good as that sounds, that's really stepping into the world of >>Orwellianism. We really don't want the Government making legislation to >>punish or prosecute end users for ignorance. > >If you drive an unserviceable car, then that's an offence in law as well >as the possibility of civil damages if it causes damage; how is operating >a borked computer any different? Yes true. Assuming you know the care is unserviceable. But should then, the Mechanic you last used to service your car also become liable and subject to a Criminal offence for failing to ensure it's serviced. So what you are really saying is that Harvy Norman and the Good Guys should be guilty of a criminal offence of selling a device that can be used for the purpose of committing a criminal offence? >>And we don't want end users become knowledgeable enough to be stupid and >>dangerous. > >Similar analogy about driving a car. Knowledge is required - IMO not >enough and not tested frequently enough. God you don't want people knowing how cars work. Really. >As a private pilot I have to have a comprehensive test every two years and >I have to maintain a currency standard as well, and as a private pilot I >am far less likely to do damage to others than I am as a driver on, say, >the Hume Highway. Flying is considerably more difficult and dangerous than driving a car. You can only crash into someone going, generally forwards, in a car. In a plane, you can fall out of the sky, crash taking off, crash landing ... And to be honest I'd prefer to have an intimate knowledge about a plane and how it works and check all the critical things BEFORE I taxi off, than to find out when I'm plummeting to earth! But then I did 26 hours of flight training, so I know the difference between a plane and a car and I'll drive a car in my sleep any day! >>The best governance is for Government to prosecute the people who cause >>the SPAM, not the innocent people who happened to be used. > >The controls need to be enforced from both ends. Nope, it's simpler. Government must be willing to prosecute SPAMMERS who affect Joe Citizen, not just those that affect Government Agencies. I have too many examples of where Police enforce and prosecute relentlessly an allegation made by a Government Agency, but when you make the same allegation to which the Police have been a witness, they do nothing. If you want prosecution, become a Government Agency. If you want to be Joe Citizen and prosecuted, well. >>The problem is Law Enforcement doesn't care about Mums and Dads being >>affected by SPAM, they will only prosecute SPAMers who hit Government >>Agencies with traffic. > >Then why aren't they doing something about it - someone from CSIRO said >that they have a 97% reject rate at 30 hits/sec. Because someone at CSIRO hasn't made a formal complaint and probably doesn't have the authority to do so. From kauer at biplane.com.au Tue Jan 2 00:24:38 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:24:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] OFF TOPIC: Reliable hardware vendor? Message-ID: <1167657878.19380.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> It's a long time since I bought hardware in Oz. I now find myself in need of a PCMCIA (aka CardBus) wireless adapter (802.11b/g at least). Has to work natively under Linux (no NDIS driver shenanigans), so preferably an Atheros chipset. Any recommendations on someone reliable? Or on a good card? Probably best to send replies off-list :-) Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From stephen at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 2 02:47:26 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 02:47:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] NASA brain-computer interfaces Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070102021559.01aaad98@melbpc.org.au> Hi all, The NASA Intelligent Systems Division (http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/) are sponsoring some interesting research. One recent report depicts two 'brain-computer interfaces' called 'Target Practice' (of course) and 'Think Pointer'. Both apparently work quite well: "Brain-computer interfaces for 1-D and 2-D cursor control: designs using volitional control of the EEG spectrum or steady-state visual evoked potentials." Trejo LJ, Rosipal R, and Matthews B. NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035, USA. ltrejo at quasarusa.com Published: IEEE Trans Neural Syst Rehabil Eng. June 2006. We have developed and tested two electroencephalogram (EEG)-based brain-computer interfaces (BCI) for users to control a cursor on a computer display. Our system uses an adaptive algorithm, based on kernel partial least squares classification (KPLS), to associate patterns in multichannel EEG frequency spectra with cursor controls. Our first BCI, Target Practice, is a system for one-dimensional device control, in which participants use biofeedback to learn voluntary control of their EEG spectra. Target Practice uses a KPLS classifier to map power spectra of 62-electrode EEG signals to rightward or leftward position of a moving cursor on a computer display. Three subjects learned to control motion of a cursor on a video display in multiple blocks of 60 trials over periods of up to six weeks. The best subject's average skill in correct selection of the cursor direction grew from 58% to 88% after 13 training sessions.. The second BCI, Think Pointer, is a system for two-dimensional cursor control. Steady-state visual evoked potentials (SSVEP) are triggered by four flickering checkerboard stimuli located in narrow strips at each edge of the display. The user attends to one of the four beacons to initiate motion in the desired direction. The SSVEP signals are recorded from 12 electrodes located over the occipital region. A KPLS classifier is individually calibrated to map multichannel frequency bands of the SSVEP signals to right-left or up-down motion of a cursor on a computer display. The display stops moving when the user attends to a central fixation point.. Training of the classifier requires about 3 min.. Across subjects and sessions, control accuracy ranged from 80% to 100% correct with lags of 1-5 s for movement initiation and turning. We have also developed a realistic demonstration of our system for control of a moving map display. (PMID: 16792300) -- Cheers all .. Stephen Loosley Melbourne, Australia . From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 2 18:00:19 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:00:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] OFFTOPIC: Legal Assistance in QLD Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070102175349.02edf838@mail.ah.net> Hi I was just wondering if any of the QLD based Linkers (or others who know people in QLD) can help me. I need to find a Barrister (or lawyer) in QLD who can assist a family in gaining the return of the child, taken into care by Child Safety on 22 December just before Christmas. They are a young family, first marriage, first child, 13 months old. Removed for "assessment to determine if the child is in need of care" because he had a runny nose (literally), a bit of diarrhea that occurred after following medical advice and because the parents are Vegan. This is a very straight case managed by an over zealous 24 year old "just left uni out to save a child's life" women who has no children and only learned from text books. (Remember Suzanne and I were accused of parenting by Parenting books!) If you can help in this area or with support for the family who are from WA and only been in QLD for four months, please contact me on +61 4 3380 4177 Thanks. From stephen at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 3 01:44:25 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:44:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: <200612310107.kBV16t27003250@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070103002618.01d2f808@melbpc.org.au> At 03:45 PM 31/12/2006, Stewart wrote: >Stephen comments on 11 and 12Hz claims on cellphone pulsation. Yes, there's an emerging interest in this high-end Alpha EEG frequency, along with the lower Delta frequency em-fields created by the body/brain. Eg, there are signs of a Delta 'standing-wave' with a 'cortical-resonance'. Alpha waves, imho, may look the goods for the core brainwave frequency. For eg 'Spectral changes (amplitude) in the alpha range have been reliably related to attentional load, cognitive arousal, and mental effort' pubmed.gov ID 17010944. Alpha waves appear weaker in studies with retarded people. For example 'The results of our study demonstrate that indices of alpha2SP may be considered as objective criteria of delayed mental maturation.' (PM ID: 16252384) >For handsets, the science is too erratic, too bad, and many of the >scientists are too stupid and narrow-minded. And some of them are >untrustworthy. In the circumstances, the fence looks pretty good to me. I suppose. It's a pity for all science there's apparently little agreement. Cheers Stewart Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia From Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au Wed Jan 3 08:28:42 2007 From: Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au (Pilcher, Fred) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:28:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] World Domination 201 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070103002618.01d2f808@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F18@cal066.act.gov.au> An interesting treatise on the potential of Linux to take over the world by 2008. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html#id247970 Happy new year, all. Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 3 10:02:34 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:02:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Spam, Virus and Trojans - Statistics In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20070101145000.06dbe018@mail.ah.net> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070101145000.06dbe018@mail.ah.net> Message-ID: <2EC449EA-F522-47BE-A752-0FEB84594D3A@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Adam On 01/01/2007, at 3:22 PM, Adam Todd wrote: > These are messages that meet the criteria of unsolicted SPAM. > Unlike Craig Saunders who calls spam anything he didn't create > himself, I do not consider a message from a person on a mail list I > subscribe to as SPAM. I don't want to start the new year off with a brawl between you and Craig (assuming you meant Sanders not Saunders?). But to linkers one and all I wish you a very Happy New Year Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From SHENDERS at nla.gov.au Wed Jan 3 10:28:06 2007 From: SHENDERS at nla.gov.au (Sandra Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:28:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Pandora? Message-ID: Michael PANDORA doesn't ignore sites hosted outside Australia, and doesn't ignore Australian sites which aren't in the .au domain. There are examples of both in PANDORA. PANDORA is a labour-intensive operation, which is why its impossible to capture ALL Australian sites - all files are checked for completeness and functionality, to ensure the harvest has been accurate. This level of hand-crafting is not possible on a much larger scale. PANDORA is consistently lauded by the web archiving community for its high standards and achievements. Conscious of the very selective nature of the PANDORA Archive, the NLA also contracted the Internet Archive to undertake two comprehensive harvests of Australian sites. These harvests, done in 2005 and 2006, are not available to the public - the copyright situation, for example, is tricky, which is why PANDORA files are only made available with permission of the publishers. The files from the two web harvests are installed here at the NLA - the last one resulted in over 19 terabytes of data, from 1.2 million sites (over 500 million files), and the Internet Archive has also prepared a full text index - this index across the two years of files was the largest the Internet Archive has ever undertaken. It does mean we do have, for the future, two large snapshots of the Australian web (and I understand the lists of seed URLS we provided also ensure we get relevant non .au sites) Sandra Henderson Manager, Research, Coordination Support Branch National Library of Australia CANBERRA ACT 2600 Phone: +61 2 6262 1481 Fax: +61 2 6273 2545 Email: shenders at nla.gov.au -----Original Message----- From: link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au [mailto:link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of Michael Still Posted At: Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:38 PM Posted To: Link List Conversation: [LINK] Pandora? Subject: Re: [LINK] Pandora? Adam Todd wrote: > At 08:07 AM 28/12/2006, Michael Still wrote: >> Eric Scheid wrote: >> >>> no idea if the sitemaps protocol is supported by Pandora yet. >> >> Isn't it irrelevant? Pandora claim to be a "selective index" (the >> usefulness of such a thing seems low to me, but anyway), and probably >> wouldn't include anything new. >> >> http://pandora.nla.gov.au/selectionguidelinesallpartners.html > > Pandora is a great resource. Not every web site on the Internet that > holds Australian Public interest gets fully archives elsewhere. Sure. In that case though they should do it properly and do all sights. Or partner with someone who can if they can't. > The Internet Archive Project is probably one of the few resources that > tries hard with limited resources to do such. > > If you have a web site that has a level of public interest, or future > historic value or even a site that has information that may one day > vanish - say when you move house and turn off your server, then > Pandora is a place you can approach if they haven't already approached > you, to at least ensure that something of the fastest vanishing > records in history might be preserved. I asked to be included. I was. Then they dropped me without warning. They're also flawed in that their definition of "Australian content" ignores (last time I checked): - content hosted outside of Australia - content on a non-.au domain There are _lots_ of Australians who host overseas and who don't use a .au domain, in both cases because the costs of doing it locally are disproportionally high. Why not use whois data for such an index? Why not let people opt in? > I'm sure as time passes, the NLA will find ways to add more resources > and storage to the archive facility and increase and broaden the storage. Until Pandora is a complete archive of all "Australian" content (for some workable definition), it will be largely useless. Worse, it encourages others to make assumptions based on bad input data... > I'd like to think that Pandora archives all the Political web sites > for each of those Running Candidates that flings so much crude on > their websites that never gets printed in a news paper. Those things > can come back to bite later :) > > Be nice if Pandora could also archive all School based web sites. > They change so often that history and commendations vanish from the > eyes of the world as fast as they are created. > > Everyone deserves to be noted. Time Magazine proved that! Ok, so then they should do that. Mikal _______________________________________________ Link mailing list Link at mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 3 11:32:10 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:32:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Pandora? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070103112550.02e1ad58@wheresmymailserver.com> At 10:28 AM 3/01/2007, Sandra Henderson wrote: >Michael >PANDORA doesn't ignore sites hosted outside Australia, and doesn't >ignore Australian sites which aren't in the .au domain. There are >examples of both in PANDORA. PANDORA is a labour-intensive operation, >which is why its impossible to capture ALL Australian sites - all files >are checked for completeness and functionality, to ensure the harvest >has been accurate. Ergh, I dunna envy you (and the Pandora team) Sandra! There is a lot of work to go to archive properly. >This level of hand-crafting is not possible on a much >larger scale. PANDORA is consistently lauded by the web archiving >community for its high standards and achievements. >Conscious of the very selective nature of the PANDORA Archive, the NLA >also contracted the Internet Archive to undertake two comprehensive >harvests of Australian sites. These harvests, done in 2005 and 2006, >are not available to the public - the copyright situation, for example, >is tricky, Tell me where to sign! Seriously. Although I ensure archiving of our web sites and public access information here, if my resources vanish, so does the information. Internet Archive and Pandora are VITAL as library store houses of history that is there one moment and gone the next. OK I've had my web sites and public access information online since the early 1990's and I'm still here. Not bad when you think about it. But with up and coming relocations and new offices being set up around the world, a change in my career path and new goals and aspirations, much of my Internet History is going to vanish and along with that, much information collected and gathered in the public interest and published. I'll try and "house it" in an all in one location but it's not always going to be easy for me to do. I've also used Internet Archive to recover our oldest web sites which we updated without giving a thought to the mere fact they really should have been burned to CD for archival purposes. I use to see the Internet as an evolutionary process, not a historic process. Now I realise that history is the discovery of the evolution process and keep more accurate archives. I don't want the world in 2 million years to be trying to speculate what I did, how and when! I'd rather give it to them in some form! >which is why PANDORA files are only made available with >permission of the publishers. The files from the two web harvests are >installed here at the NLA - the last one resulted in over 19 terabytes >of data, from 1.2 million sites (over 500 million files), CRUMBS! >and the Internet Archive has also prepared a full text index - this index >across the two years of files was the largest the Internet Archive has ever >undertaken. It's quite scary when you think about it. >It does mean we do have, for the future, two large >snapshots of the Australian web (and I understand the lists of seed URLS >we provided also ensure we get relevant non .au sites) As I said - where do we sign? Especially as this year AJ's web site is going to take on a whole new look and form! We'll still have the old version running online. (Pandora as far as I know already has an older snapshot of AJ's web site!) And we've got two new "Drama" sites coming soon. From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 3 14:14:20 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 14:14:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Librarians stake their future on open source In-Reply-To: <458DD321.3000805@lannet.com.au> References: <458DD321.3000805@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <9025BAE8-E23F-41A7-85E2-DEDC14EA4981@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 24/12/2006, at 12:08 PM, Howard Lowndes wrote: > A group of librarians at the Georgia Public Library Service has > developed an open source, enterprise-class library management > system that may revolutionize the way large-scale libraries are run. There is quite a lot going on in the area of open source for libraries. See . Tony Feral Librarian | http://tony-barry.emu.id.au P: 02 6241 7659 | tony at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au M: 04 1242 0397 | tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au From grove at zeta.org.au Wed Jan 3 16:28:07 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 16:28:07 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] More persistence of information..... Message-ID: The Onion got this one right..... Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over' http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784 Scary......... ;) rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From brd at iimetro.com.au Wed Jan 3 18:01:47 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:01:47 +1100 Subject: [LINK] More persistence of information..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <459B54DB.1060902@iimetro.com.au> I didn't realise just how scary it was until I followed the link and discovered that it was written in January 2001 and includes the following: During the 40-minute speech, Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought that plagued the nation under Clinton, assuring citizens that the U.S. will engage in at least one Gulf War-level armed conflict in the next four years. "You better believe we're going to mix it up with somebody at some point during my administration," said Bush, who plans a 250 percent boost in military spending. "Unlike my predecessor, I am fully committed to putting soldiers in battle situations. Otherwise, what is the point of even having a military?" That whole article is one amazing piece of satire, bordering on the spooky. Thanks Rachel grove at zeta.org.au wrote: > The Onion got this one right..... > > Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over' > > http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784 > > > Scary......... ;) > > > rachel > -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From link at todd.inoz.com Thu Jan 4 13:55:36 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:55:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Who needs a copyright legal proceeding against a Multinational ... Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070104135442.02fdae50@mail.ah.net> Who needs a copyright legal proceeding against a multinational when you have Internet and the worlds media spreading the word for you! Band says Coke ripped off their song and video * Email * Print * Normal font * Large font January 4, 2007 - 8:30AM AdvertisementAdvertisement They describe themselves as musicians who make "happy, bouncy" tunes, but a copyright dispute with a multinational company has flattened the London band's upbeat mood. The band - called 7 Seconds of Love - have taken on soft-drink giant Coca-Cola over what they say was unauthorised use of their song, Ninja, and the video that goes with it. A commercial, made in Argentina for South American audiences, appears to use the song to advertise Coca-Cola Light. The unsigned band learned of the advertisement when a fan asked about it. The discovery, lead singer Joel Veitch said, led to "righteous fury followed by deep irritation". "Initially, we didn't think much about it, because we don't get Argentine television here," Veitch said. "It was when it turned up on the internet that we went, 'Oh my God.' " "To sound like us is OK. To look like us is OK. But it's the two together where it becomes a problem," he said. The ska group, a form of Jamaican music, has no desire to take Coca-Cola to court, Veitch said, and could not really afford to wage a legal war because of its "extremely shallow pockets" and the fact that all band members have day jobs. In a statement quoted by Sky News in Britain, Coca-Cola said the advertisement was done by a local agency, which told the company that it was original. "We have acted in good faith in deciding to air the television commercial," the statement was quoted as saying. "Therefore, we are surprised by the alleged claim and deeply regret being associated to this unusual and unexpected debate." Veitch said that 7 Seconds of Love wanted to reach a sensible settlement with Coca-Cola. "They could have just called us," Veitch said, "and we would have happily made it for them." From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Fri Jan 5 09:19:18 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:19:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique Message-ID: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> A case of unexpected consequences? http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection =================================================== Peter Gutmann, pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt Last updated 28 December 2006 Distributed under the Creative Commons license (see Appendix) (A note to readers: The reaction to what started as an obscure technical post to a security mailing list has been rather unexpected and overwhelming, so I'm totally buried in Vista email at the moment. Please be patient when expecting replies, and apologies if I can't reply to all messages). Executive Summary ----------------- Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order to provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically HD data from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability, technical support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This document analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry. Executive Executive Summary --------------------------- The Vista Content Protection specification could very well constitute the longest suicide note in history [Note A]. [snip] Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From brd at iimetro.com.au Fri Jan 5 10:04:28 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:04:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <459D87FC.8090509@iimetro.com.au> Jan Whitaker wrote: > A case of unexpected consequences? > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt I'm still trying to make sense of Microsoft/IDC's claim that Vista is worth $40bn to EC economies. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/14/microsoft_eu_idc/ Published Thursday 14th September 2006 18:32 GMT Microsoft is touting the contribution of Windows Vista to EC economics in its latest attempt to persuade regulators to go easy on the operating system. A report by tech analyst firm IDC, sponsored by Microsoft, estimates that Windows Vista will drive $40bn in economic activity and create 100,000 new jobs in six European countries next year when it supposedly ships. Vista will be installed on 30 million PCs in Denmark, France, Germany, Poland, Spain and the UK in its first year. Isn't all this activity just around upgrading an operating system? Nothing of any use or value is created - just economic activity. I suppose it gets back to a discussion we had on link many years ago about the way the the UN measures economic benefit as any activity - including oil spills, nuclear accidents, earthquakes, tsunamis etc. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From cas at taz.net.au Fri Jan 5 10:57:21 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:57:21 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <459D87FC.8090509@iimetro.com.au> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <459D87FC.8090509@iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <20070104235721.GF26390@taz.net.au> On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 10:04:28AM +1100, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > Isn't all this activity just around upgrading an operating system? > Nothing of any use or value is created - just economic activity. you're making the false assumption that bean-counters actually care whether anything of any use or value is created. it is economic activity that matters. take, for example, the aluminium smelting industry in australia. if you analyse the figures, it actually costs us more to have it than to not have it (i.e. there is no profit for australia, it's a net loss.) it would be billions of dollars cheaper (plus use a lot less electricity - about 15% of australia's entire electricity consumption and thus about 5.9% of greenhouse gas emissions - and a lot less water) to just give all the workers employed in the industry (all 5500 or so of them) $40K or more per year and import the relatively small amount of aluminium that we actually need (about 340000 tonnes IIRC, about $850M worth) btw, i picked that figure of $40K because the direct, non-hidden subsidies to the aluminium industry equate to about $40K per worker per year. that's a very expensive job creation program. it would be cheaper and far more effective to spend some or all of that money (over $2.2bn) on training and development of other industries, things that were a net gain for the country rather than a net loss. but the beancounters and economists say that it is a good thing to have the aluminium smelter because of the economic activity it generates. and analysis of the forestry industry is even worse. logging and woodchip companies make a profit but only because of government subsidies and only at the expense of the rest of us - destroying our environment and chopping down the carbon-sequestration devices (AKA "trees") that help to keep this planet livable. some people get rich out of it, but for the country as whole it is a huge loss. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 5 11:04:53 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:04:53 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <20070104235721.GF26390@taz.net.au> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <459D87FC.8090509@iimetro.com.au> <20070104235721.GF26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$22dol7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 10:57 AM 5/01/2007, Craig Sanders wrote: >and analysis of the forestry industry is even worse. logging and >woodchip companies make a profit but only because of government >subsidies and only at the expense of the rest of us - destroying our >environment and chopping down the carbon-sequestration devices (AKA >"trees") that help to keep this planet livable. some people get rich out >of it, but for the country as whole it is a huge loss. so much for bitching and moaning about the farm subsidies in the US. Sort of puts the whole Australian govt hypocrisy in perspective. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 5 11:38:38 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:38:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070105113622.0399ea08@wheresmymailserver.com> At 09:19 AM 5/01/2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: >Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order to >provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically HD data >from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs >considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability, >technical support overhead, and hardware and software cost. I really find this kind of stuff insulting to what I perceive as the average persons intelligence. Most DVD players, and no doubt BluRay and HD-DVD have processors that are far inferior to the normal PC. You don't see DVD players with 1 Gig of Ram, 2 Gig CPU's and several cooling fans. That means that lesser power processors are doing the job of everything described above without missing a beat. Maybe it's time consumers whinged more about the overhead, and bought less of the crud? From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 5 11:45:33 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:45:33 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <459D87FC.8090509@iimetro.com.au> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <459D87FC.8090509@iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070105113848.03077c90@wheresmymailserver.com> At 10:04 AM 5/01/2007, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: >Jan Whitaker wrote: >>A case of unexpected consequences? >>http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt > >I'm still trying to make sense of Microsoft/IDC's claim that Vista is >worth $40bn to EC economies. 200 million people at ... Oh come on! Everyone has to have Vista! Vista La Viva! Vista Vista! Vista la Vista even! Personally if most people just dumped a Linux on their desktop and didn't bother to upgrade their current windows, or hard drive, or memory, or monitors or processors, or motherboards or ... just to run Vista, life would be simpler. Unfortunately when Win95 was released, the concept of upgrading your hardware to meet the software requirement became a marketing tool for not only software vendors, but hardware vendors. I don't buy into it, and I advise people to stay away. Do you need to upgrade your hardware/software? Generally not. I still have a Win95 laptop, it runs Word, Excel and Access. It browses. It has ICQ, MSN and it's not missed a beat in 6 years. I mistakenly upgraded my Windows NT4 to Win2K in the belief that I was magically going to get USB and Firewire support. Linux worked fine, Win2K didn't like the hardware. But then my deskstops died from over use :) So I moved to a laptop with all the bells and whistles I wanted, and a few I didn't at the time but now do - alas. It came with XP. It seems to work fine. But I won't be upgrading it to Vista just because Vista is "cool" or better or whatever someone wants to tell me. In fact to be honest I'd be very surprised if I upgrade or purchase any new Microsoft Software. I'm STILL using only 2 of my ten user licences of Office 97, had it since 1998 and continue to use it without any problems. If I need to "upgrade" it, I'll switch to Open Office and be done with the issues of Mac/PC incompatability. If I switch to Open Office, I'll be motivated to dump Windows XP from the laptops, put an ODBC database front end or even finish coding up my Web based "Access Feature Alike" application and that will be the last of Windows around here except for my little Toshiba running Win95 faithfully. $40 billion. Gak. From eleanor at pacific.net.au Fri Jan 5 12:25:57 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:25:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20070105113622.0399ea08@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <6.2.0.14.0.20070105113622.0399ea08@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: <459DA925.40408@pacific.net.au> Adam Todd wrote: > At 09:19 AM 5/01/2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: >> Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in >> order to >> provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically >> HD data >> from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs >> considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability, >> technical support overhead, and hardware and software cost. > > I really find this kind of stuff insulting to what I perceive as the > average persons intelligence. > > Most DVD players, and no doubt BluRay and HD-DVD have processors that > are far inferior to the normal PC. > > You don't see DVD players with 1 Gig of Ram, 2 Gig CPU's and several > cooling fans. > > That means that lesser power processors are doing the job of > everything described above without missing a beat. > > Maybe it's time consumers whinged more about the overhead, and bought > less of the crud? > the reason i like the new HD stuff is that as soon as it hits the mass market, the arse will fall out of the DVD market and i'll be able to stock up on a huge collection of DVDs very cheaply. there are very good reasons to stay 1 step *behind* the market, including the fact that my DVD playing equipment works perfectly and is very cheap, it's mature technology now. (like me, hehehe) -- ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 5 15:08:06 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:08:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <459DCF26.1050107@praxis.com.au> Jan Whitaker wrote: > A case of unexpected consequences? > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt > > A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection > =================================================== Thanks for this, Jan. I have summarised a few of the more astonishing consequences of this DRM regime below. The gist of the changes being imposed on Vista is that the quality of multimedia content that the typical user gathers from here and there on the Net will degrade, look fuzzy and sound crappy on what is supposedly state-of-the-art very HQ and expensive hardware. Quotes from the article are indented. Amusingly, the Vista content protection docs say that it'll be left to graphics chip manufacturers to differentiate their product based on (deliberately degraded) video quality. This seems a bit like breaking the legs of Olympic athletes and then rating them based on how fast they can hobble on crutches. and Beyond the obvious playback-quality implications of deliberately degraded output, this measure can have serious repercussions in applications where high-quality reproduction of content is vital. For example the field of medical imaging either bans outright or strongly frowns on any form of lossy compression because artifacts introduced by the compression process can cause mis-diagnoses and in extreme cases even become life-threatening. Consider a medical IT worker who's using a medical imaging PC while listening to audio/video played back by the computer (the CDROM drives installed in workplace PCs inevitably spend most of their working lives playing music or MP3 CDs to drown out workplace noise). If there's any premium content present in there, the image will be subtly altered by Vista's content protection, potentially creating exactly the life-threatening situation that the medical industry has worked so hard to avoid. It must be noted here that to date, Windows as distributed by Microsoft clearly states that their operating system *not* be used in certain critical areas like aviation and medicine. And yet when I have visited my sister-in-law at work in ICU, there are Windows boxes everywhere. And why Windows would be allowed to be used to display life-critical diagnostic imaging is beyond my comprehension. It would be child's play to introduce a rogue agent into the Windows system and network that silently corrupts such imaging to cause surgical errors and even death. It also boggles the mind that in the post-911 environment of heightened awareness and security that such vulnerable systems are still be deployed at an alarming rate throughout industries such as medicine and aviation. So the question arises: will Vista also contain a sanction against use in certain application areas like medicine and aviation? And one wonders if those sanctions would be actionable under the law. Back to the DRM ... and speaking of post-911 security: Even without deliberate abuse by malware, the homeland security implications of an external agent being empowered to turn off your IT infrastructure in response to a content leak discovered in some chipset that you coincidentally happen to be using is a serious concern for potential Vista users. Non-US governments are already nervous enough about using a US-supplied operating system without having this remote DoS capability built into the operating system. And like the medical-image-degradation issue, you won't find out about this until it's too late, turning Vista PCs into ticking time bombs if the revocation functionality is ever employed. One starts to wonder where all of this DRM detritis is coming from. Well, we all know, don't we: So if you design a new security system, you can't get it supported in Windows Vista until well-known computer security experts like Disney, MGM, and 20th Century-Fox give you the go-ahead. It's absolutely astonishing to find paragraphs like that in what are supposed to be Windows technical documents, since it gives Hollywood studios veto rights over Windows security mechanisms. Which raises the enevitable question: why is Hollywood now dictating the design of software, hardware and security for all future PCs, regardless of the use to which those PCs will be put? Their lobby in the past has resulted in increase of copyright lifetimes to ridiculous lengths, introduced legislation like the DMCA and other invasions of userspace. How long before legislation is enacted that caters to the DRM whims of Hollywood and mandates the kind of hardware and software we are allowed to use in our homes? We all knew Microsoft has been sucking up to the big media players for a long time now (and to other big organisations) but the revelations coming out of the Vista design are truly gobsmacking. ... since even AES-128 on a modern CPU isn't fast enough to encrypt high-bandwidth content, companies are required to license the Intel-owned Cascaded Cipher, an AES-128-based transform that's designed to offer a generally similar level of security but with less processing overhead. We all know what has happened in the past when crypto non-experts have implemented their own encryption systems without peer review and analysis by the crypto community: breakage within days of its release. I do not hold any high expectations for crypto created by Intel, but I have not looked much further into it. It is truly ironic and galling that Microsoft is now requiring strict adherence to its "robustness" guidelines for Vista hardware and hardware drivers, given its own abyssmal track record in the area of software robustness and security. When the shoe is on Hollywood's foot, it seems that reliability and robustness are suddenly of paramount importance. Vista is clearly Hollywood's bitch: On-board graphics create an additional problem in that blocks of precious content will end up stored in system memory, from where they could be paged to disk. In order to avoid this, Vista tags such pages with a special protection bit indicating that they need to be encrypted before being paged out and decrypted again after being paged in. Vista doesn't provide any other pagefile encryption, and will quite happily page banking PINs, credit card details, private, personal data, and other sensitive information, in plaintext. The content-protection requirements make it fairly clear that in Microsoft's eyes a frame of premium content is worth more than (say) a user's medical records or their banking PIN. How do you feel as a would-be user of technology implemented in such a manner to hold your own personal security and safety is such utter contempt? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith From grove at zeta.org.au Fri Jan 5 16:29:23 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:29:23 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] vista critique In-Reply-To: <459DD771.3070407@lannet.com.au> References: <5ii0ro$22cevu@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <459DCF26.1050107@praxis.com.au> <459DD771.3070407@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: >>> A case of unexpected consequences? >>> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt >>> >>> A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection >>> =================================================== As a person who uses their computer for composing music, I find the Vista situation to be ridiculous. It would seem that to use any software that creates audio or graphic content can now be forced to have DRM imprinted in it, or certain media libraries may fail to open correctly, such as audio samples or graphic plugins or image collections. Certainly, sharing content that was originally DRM imprinted is going be much more difficult and the results less than spectacular. Not being able to use SPDIF or to be forced into lower sample rates is going to be a killer for anyone doing media projects on their computer. It's also going to create more of a security hole as users work around the DRM to gain access to features that should already be available, as usurping the DRM can lead to inadvertantly creating illegal paths into the kernel from user content or apps or plugins designed to usurp DRM. Also, how far does this extend into source code or even the compilers or app development tools? How easy is it going to be to use CVS style tools, web publishing apps, C compilers and the rest? DRM could see app library frameworks suddenly having a huge extra layer of complexity and perhaps for OSS developers, this means no longer being able to use certain libraries, because they contain prohibited DRM content and the rest. The deeper you go into Vista, the more it is obvious it is the same old rubbish, but with terribly restrictive rights imposed on it, for anyone who isn't working for Microsoft, or one of it's partners. Don't even bother buying the "Home" version - it won't even look at an SPDIF port. But, people will buy it. Enterprises will install it. And the programmers will have to learn their trade all over again. And the outsourcing will continue. And the security holes will get bigger. And everyone will make lots of money. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Fri Jan 5 21:32:55 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 21:32:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: MR 1/07: ACMA seeks comment on extending datacasting trial in Sydney References: <02374900011678706878963@subscribedmailings.com> Message-ID: <514582B6-F878-41E3-BD91-CB6701759FC5@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Australian Communications & Media Authority" > > Date: 4 January 2007 11:31:27 AM > To: > Subject: MR 1/07: ACMA seeks comment on extending datacasting trial > in Sydney > Reply-To: media at acma.gov.au > > The Australian Communications and Media Authority is seeking public > comment on extending the digital datacasting trial currently being > conducted in Sydney by Broadcast Australia. 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This two-day event is part of the > ?Preserving Access to Our Digital Future: Building an International > Digital Curation? project funded by the Institute of Museum of > Library Services (IMLS). The National Archives and Records > Administration (NARA) is a partner in this effort. > > DigCCurr2007 will focus on what digital curators do and what they > need to know to carry out this work and each speaker is asked to > address these issues in their presentation. > > ***************************************** > AUDIENCE: > > Anyone interested in digital preservation and curation, especially > those who are building staff capacity in these areas. > > ***************************************** > TOPICS OF INTEREST: > > While paper submissions on any aspect of digital curation are > welcome, we are particularly interested in the following areas and > topics: > > Designing Repositories ? Where to Begin? > Repository Architecture > Ingest Services > User Services > Metadata > Standards and Standard Development > Policy Development > Programs for Working with Content/Data Providers > Intellectual Property Rights Issues > Information Industry Perspectives > Social Science Data Curation > Science Data Curation > Funding and Sustainability > > We request that each paper include discussion of the skills, > knowledge, and perspectives individuals working in these functional > areas and environments or addressing these issues will find valuable. > > ***************************************** > PAPER FORMAT & SUBMISSION: > > Abstract and full papers must be submitted electronically as PDF > files. Full papers should be 6-8 pages in length and use a double > column format such as the ACM layout. Detailed formatting and > submission instructions will be available in the author > instructions section of the conference Web site soon. At this time > electronic publication of the proceedings is planned but may be > followed with a print version. > > Please submit abstracts to John Schaefer at: jschaefe at email.unc.edu > by January 10, 2007. > > ***************************************** > CONFERENCE ORGANIZERS > > Helen R. Tibbo, School of Information and Library Science, UNC- > Chapel Hill > Christopher A. Lee, School of Information and Library Science, UNC- > Chapel Hill > John Schaefer, School of Information and Library Science, UNC- > Chapel Hill > > ***************************************** > ADVISORY BOARD: > > Advisory Board members include: > Stephen Chapman, Harvard University; > Adrian Cunningham, National Archives of Australia; > Robin Dale, RLG/OCLC; > Wendy Duff, University of Toronto; > Philip Eppard, SUNY-Albany; > Anne Gilliland, UCLA; > Maria Guercio, University of Urbino; > Hans Hofman, Nationaal Archief (National Archives) of the > Netherlands and ERPANET; > Anne Kenney, Cornell University Library; > Steve Knight, National Library of New Zealand; > Clifford Lynch, Coalition for Networked Information; Richard > Marciano, San Diego Super Computer Center; > Seamus Ross, University of Glasgow; > Don Sawyer, NASA; > Kenneth Thibodeau, National Archives and Records Administration; > Raymond van Diessen, IBM, The Netherlands; > Elizabeth Yakel, University of Michigan. > > ***************************************** > CONFERENCE SOCIAL EVENTS: > > All-conference opening reception, 6:00 ? 7:30 PM, Wednesday, April > 18th > Working lunch, 12:15 ? 1:45, Thursday, April 19th > All-conference reception, 5:00 ? 7:00 PM, Thursday, April 19th > Working lunch, 12:15 ? 1:45, Friday, April 20h > > ***************************************** > CONFERENCE LOCATION: > > The opening reception will be held in The Wilson Library on UNC?s > main campus. > All sessions, lunches, and the Thursday evening reception will be > held at The William and Ida Friday Center for Continuing Education, > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, located on Route 54 in > Chapel Hill, NC. > > FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION > > Please see: http://ils.unc.edu/digccurr. > > > Dr. Helen R. Tibbo, Professor > School of Information and Library Science > 201 Manning Hall > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill > Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3360 > tibbo at ils.unc.edu > Tel: 919.962.8063 > Fax: 919.962.8071 phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 5 23:32:44 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:32:44 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: MR 1/07: ACMA seeks comment on extending datacasting trial in Sydney In-Reply-To: <514582B6-F878-41E3-BD91-CB6701759FC5@tony-barry.emu.id.au> References: <02374900011678706878963@subscribedmailings.com> <514582B6-F878-41E3-BD91-CB6701759FC5@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070105232943.0335c360@wheresmymailserver.com> At 09:32 PM 5/01/2007, Antony Barry wrote: >>The Australian Communications and Media Authority is seeking public >>comment on extending the digital datacasting trial currently being >>conducted in Sydney by Broadcast Australia. The full release can >>be found at http://www.acma.gov.au/ACMAINTER:STANDARD::pc=PC_101031 An interesting read. Especially the Broadcast Australia Dec 2006 report, and the inclusion of their limited market research sample. Seems no one is watching the Christian Channel :) Or the 24 hour a day Expo "Call now, but wait get free steak knives so you can carve your DTB!" I've found the "NSW Info" channel became unusable last year. Being unable to select the information and waiting 20 minutes for a loop to pass wasn't really helpful. I'd really support an RTA Traffic Channel that has a user interactive user selection of which camera option. This might well assist with traffic congestion and all kinds of problems. I'm not sure about the "Mobile TV" concept. What's the "mobile" user use to get the broadcast? Another pocket device? From grove at zeta.org.au Sat Jan 6 00:04:04 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 00:04:04 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] The bee man was right..... Message-ID: I was looking forward to the day I could post this ;) http://www.abc.net.au/rural/telegraph/content/2006/s1801908.htm Why is it that the bees know but the best technology in the world still cannot give us more than a few days forecast?! rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From grove at zeta.org.au Sat Jan 6 00:07:32 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 00:07:32 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] Whoops - bee man was right... Message-ID: Sorry, I meant to post this one which explains it better! http://www.abc.gov.au/news/items/200611/1800208.htm?alicesprings rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From stephen at melbpc.org.au Sat Jan 6 02:37:52 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:37:52 +1100 Subject: [LINK] More persistence of information..... In-Reply-To: <459B54DB.1060902@iimetro.com.au> References: <459B54DB.1060902@iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070105015928.01aadc68@melbpc.org.au> At 06:01 PM 3/01/2007, Bernard wrote: Bush also promised to bring an end to the severe war drought and, what better than an Oil war! ... the Texas oil-man still desperate to keep mobile the SUV urban-tanks, thinks hmm, i know, we'll have a joke invasion .. we'll give it a major petrol company brand name, ie "Gulf" war, and later we'll joke about no WMDs, after we've secured all those oil-fields first, and for forever .. and .. bugger the people .. jeepers, now that's a plan! and so that's what they did but with no disrespect to the office of the President of the US, I think the current one should always add 'junior' after his name .. he just seems like a junior type-of-guy .. you know? From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 6 12:37:25 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:37:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Whoops - bee man was right... Message-ID: > An Alice Springs apiarist says he is predicting big rains for central > Australia within the next two months because of some unusual behaviour by his > bees. The 7.30 report the other day showed that Central Australia and NW Western Australia have both had record levels of rain right throughout this year... pushing Australia's average fall above the normal despite the southern drought. Which probably suggests how the apiarist was able to make this prediction in November 2006 and be reasonably confident of being right (it is their wet season after all). It might also explain how the bees had the resources to make all that honey and wax. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Sat Jan 6 13:03:17 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:03:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20061231114730.03398120@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061231011006.01b02a68@melbpc.org.au> <6.2.0.14.0.20061231114730.03398120@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: On 31/12/2006, at 11:57 AM, Adam Todd wrote: > I have belief and experience in Extra-sensory perception. ? Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Sat Jan 6 13:05:47 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:05:47 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 31/12/2006, at 3:45 PM, Stewart Fist wrote: > I'll start worrying about ESP the first day I ever get the slightest > evidence (or even 'inkling') that it exists. I've watched the > claims for 60 > years, and never seen anything stand up to even a modicum of > scientific > examination or evaluation. Research into the paranormal seems to follow a kind of quantum uncertainty principle. The more effort you put into trying to measure an effect the more it seems to go away :^) Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From grove at zeta.org.au Sat Jan 6 13:49:33 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:49:33 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Antony Barry wrote: > > On 31/12/2006, at 3:45 PM, Stewart Fist wrote: > >> I'll start worrying about ESP the first day I ever get the slightest >> evidence (or even 'inkling') that it exists. I've watched the claims for >> 60 >> years, and never seen anything stand up to even a modicum of scientific >> examination or evaluation. > > Research into the paranormal seems to follow a kind of quantum uncertainty > principle. > > The more effort you put into trying to measure an effect the more it seems to > go away :^) I am surprised no one got around to mentioning the obvious.... http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From grove at zeta.org.au Sat Jan 6 13:53:39 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:53:39 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061231011006.01b02a68@melbpc.org.au> <6.2.0.14.0.20061231114730.03398120@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Antony Barry wrote: > > On 31/12/2006, at 11:57 AM, Adam Todd wrote: > >> I have belief and experience in Extra-sensory perception. > > ? Is Johnny's reaction to Ziggy's paper an example of this? rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 6 14:52:43 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 14:52:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The bee man was right..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106145137.03026730@wheresmymailserver.com> At 12:04 AM 6/01/2007, grove at zeta.org.au wrote: >I was looking forward to the day I could post this ;) > > >http://www.abc.net.au/rural/telegraph/content/2006/s1801908.htm > >Why is it that the bees know but the best technology in the world still >cannot give us more than a few days forecast?! What about the Ants? Right now its about 38C outside, the sunroom has peaked at 53C, and the Ants are bringing food INTO the kitchen, normally they take it from! I suspect after two days of heat there is a whopper of a storm heading to Sydney! Now, lets go see what the BOM says :) From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Sat Jan 6 15:43:23 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 15:43:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20061231011006.01b02a68@melbpc.org.au> <6.2.0.14.0.20061231114730.03398120@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$22sgv1@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 01:53 PM 6/01/2007, grove at zeta.org.au wrote: >Is Johnny's reaction to Ziggy's paper an example of this? Naw, that was an example of an old betting term: the fix was in. Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 6 16:19:35 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:19:35 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> I can only think that someone on link has had their address book or email folders scanned by a spamers trojen because the email address herein is exclusively used only on link :( I'd hate to think that the address has been farmed from link archives or via a listbot subscribing to the list. >Return-Path: >Received: from dsl-ncr-dynamic-218.58.23.125.airtelbroadband.in >(dsl-ncr-dynamic-218.58.23.125.airtelbroadband.in [125.23.58.218] (may be >forged)) > by fep1.ah.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l064V7BQ003651 > for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:32:02 +1100 >Received: from mail-relay.eunet.no (port=29885 helo=thofwjff) > by dsl-ncr-dynamic-218.58.23.125.airtelbroadband.in with smtp > id 3hfx-8eTS8U-2LF > for link at todd.inoz.com; Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:00:59 +0530 >Message-ID: <000a01c7314b$73f2d1f0$0125aa3c at thofwjff> >From: "Samuel Lewis" >To: link at todd.inoz.com >Subject: within my wrath of you. >Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:00:59 +0530 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/related; > type="multipart/alternative"; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C73179.8DAB0DF0" >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 > > From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 6 17:17:43 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:17:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity Message-ID: Rachel wrote > I am surprised no one got around to mentioning the obvious.... Call me naive, but I thought my friends wore them to ward off bald-pate sunburn. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From cas at taz.net.au Sat Jan 6 18:19:51 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:19:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070106071951.GH26390@taz.net.au> On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 05:54:47PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > I hate to tell you but the Link archive is an open archive, one reason > why I use: > X-No-Archive: yes > in my mail headers. it makes no difference anyway. munging your address or using X-No-Archive or whatever is completely pointless - your address WILL be harvested by spammers no matter what you do. and once it's harvested once, it will spread to more and more spammer lists. so, it's a waste of time. it's far better to concentrate on blocking and filtering spam. > OK, my pearls of wisdom are not cast before swine, but neither is my > email address. actually, it is. all it takes is one loser with a windows virus to be subscribed to the same list(s) as you or to encounter your email address on a web site or in an email, and your address will be harvested. there's NOTHING you can do to prevent your address from being harvested. even addresses that have never been used, not even once, can end up in spammer lists because spammers use dictionary attacks (and similar methods - e.g. randomly combining known-good localparts (i.e. the bit before the @ symbol) with random domains) to compile lists of *possible* addresses. unless your address looks like line-noise, it will eventually be discovered this way. and once your address is in a spam list, it will never, ever be removed. it will just keep on being added to more (e.g. my mail server is still rejecting spam for addresses that didn't exist 10 years ago, still don't exist now, and never have existed....they were added to a spam list by a vengeful spammer, and must have now spread to pretty nearly every spam list out there) craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 6 18:59:49 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 18:59:49 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106185915.037f3bf0@wheresmymailserver.com> At 05:54 PM 6/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >I hate to tell you but the Link archive is an open archive, one reason why >I use: >X-No-Archive: yes >in my mail headers. Yes but most publishing software munges the addresses! >OK, my pearls of wisdom are not cast before swine, but neither is my email >address. Oh it's OK, I'll just change the address :) From link at todd.inoz.com Sun Jan 7 00:05:58 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:05:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Search continues for other missing weapons Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070107000325.030e1ef0@mail.ah.net> I've been watching this story for a few days, both in the media and via other places of interest. Rather interesting to see what information is leaked to the media, given to the media and discovered by the media. But I think what stands out most is the whole lack of accountability, monitoring and management. Search continues for other missing weapons Craig Skehan January 6, 2007 Other related coverage * Nuclear plant target for stolen rocket launchers, police allege * Weapon warning 'ignored' * $2 rocket launcher mystery * Stolen rocket launchers 'sold to terror suspect' * $2 rocket launcher found AdvertisementAdvertisement THE dramatic arrest yesterday over the theft of an Australian Defence Force rocket launcher comes amid ASIO involvement in attempts to find out how many more of the weapons may be missing. Sources said some of the launchers could have been stolen while they were being transported from the US manufacturer to the Australian Defence Force or after they were obtained by Defence. While an audit has not found records of missing launchers since "computer integration" in about 2000, sources said it was more difficult to determine what might have happened before that. There could be no guarantees that someone in a position of trust with the defence establishment had not more recently falsified computer records. The Australian Federal Police Commissioner, Mick Keelty, said that the one rocket launcher recovered in Sydney definitely belonged to Defence and that there was an investigation to determine whether seven more are missing. The Federal Government announced last month that ASIO was being brought in to oversee an urgent review of Defence Force security amid fears that criminals, and possibly terrorists, had obtained the shoulder-fired 66-millimetre rocket launchers from the army. The army stopped distributing the launchers, except in specifically authorised operations. The Herald had earlier reported that NSW and federal police suspected inside involvement by rogue soldiers in the theft, but Mr Keelty said yesterday that no individual soldiers were being targeted. The launcher recovered was bought back in September by police in a special operation from the family of a Sydney criminal, but the Mr Keelty denied yesterday that a second rocket launcher had been recovered. The federal Opposition defence spokesman, Joel Fitzgibbon, said yesterday that the latest developments placed even more pressure on the Government to ensure that weapons were securely held. He cited a "long and sorry record of poor inventory keeping in regard to military equipment". Mr Keelty said yesterday that the focus of the investigations was on how the recovered launcher "got from Defence to civilian possession". From cas at taz.net.au Sun Jan 7 09:57:01 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 09:57:01 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <459F5273.4000301@lannet.com.au> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> <20070106071951.GH26390@taz.net.au> <459F5273.4000301@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070106225701.GI26390@taz.net.au> On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 06:40:35PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 05:54:47PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > >>I hate to tell you but the Link archive is an open archive, one reason > >>why I use: > >>X-No-Archive: yes > >>in my mail headers. > > > >it makes no difference anyway. munging your address or using > >X-No-Archive or whatever is completely pointless - your address WILL be > >harvested by spammers no matter what you do. and once it's harvested > >once, it will spread to more and more spammer lists. > > No, it's not pointless at all. It reduces the exposure and hence is all > part of an overall spam control plan. no, it doesn't. the probability of being harvested is not reduced at all. p still equals 1.0. at best, it means your address might take a few months to get harvested rather than a few weeks....but you've been using your address for years. it has already been harvested many times. it makes no difference if your address is only harvested by spammers once or ten times or hundreds of times - your address will still end up on hundreds or thousands of spammer lists. it may provide you with some sense of satisfaction, but it doesn't actually achieve anything. address-munging is a useless ritual as effective as prayer or waving a dead chicken over your modem. your time and effort is better spent on improving your anti-spam rules. i gave up on munging years ago. now the only thing close to that i use is to create unique addresses (either an alias, or a simple plussed address like cas+websitename at taz.net.au) when registering with various web sites. not to block spam, but to make it obvious when a particular site misuses the personal data i give them. > > so, it's a waste of time. it's far better to concentrate on blocking > > and filtering spam. > > The trouble is that if you do really aggressive filtering then you > suddenly find all the borked mails servers out there that belong > to SMEs - mostly M$ Exchange servers where the HELO record is not > correctly set and they use the default somewhere.local hostname or > Win9X machines that don't use domain parts to the HELO clause. If you > do filtering on HELO records then that is not only contrary to RFCs > but has too many false positives. The other problem is IP addresses > that are static but still don't have PTR records - come in Comindico. yes, there are many broken mail servers out there. more generally, every anti-spam method has false-positives and will block legitimate mail. that is unavoidable. it is up to you to decide the point at which your tolerance for false-positives meets your intolerance for spam and construct your anti-spam rules accordingly. that's different for every person, and every organisation. whatever your decision, though, you will never get 0% false-positives, nor will you ever get 100% spam blocking. you can get very close (i do), but there is always the risk of both FPs and false negatives (undetected spam). (and for those who can't do their own anti-spam stuff, their best bet is to use one of the anti-spam mail services, like fastmail.fm. trouble is that while they have some scope for individual customisation, you're largely dependant on someone else's decisions about anti-spam rules. that would be unacceptable for me, but is a lot better than nothing for the unskilled). > I had a go the other day about the need for persons/orgs operating > computers to have the same legal requirement to ensure that they > use a serviceable computer as they are required to ensure that they > use a serviceable vehicle, and that computer should be subject to a > routine inspection. Controversial - yes, but just as a vehicle has > the potential to cause injury to persons or damage to property, so > computers have the potential to cause damage to the economy. One > prediction for 2007 is a major DDoS on a stock exchange. yes, i've made similar arguments over the years - IIRC, using the car roadworthiness analogy like you and also an analogy about leaving a loaded gun in the back seat of a car. negligence is negligence and the law doesn't admit ignorance as an excuse. > >there's NOTHING you can do to prevent your address from being harvested. > >even addresses that have never been used, not even once, can end up > >in spammer lists because spammers use dictionary attacks (and similar > >methods - e.g. randomly combining known-good localparts (i.e. the bit > >before the @ symbol) with random domains) to compile lists of *possible* > >addresses. unless your address looks like line-noise, it will eventually > >be discovered this way. > > > >and once your address is in a spam list, it will never, ever be removed. > >it will just keep on being added to more (e.g. my mail server is still > >rejecting spam for addresses that didn't exist 10 years ago, still don't > >exist now, and never have existed....they were added to a spam list by a > >vengeful spammer, and must have now spread to pretty nearly every spam > >list out there) > > Don't be defeatist - fight back. i do. my postfix rules block over 99% of the spam attempting to get into my system, and i detect and tag all but of a handful of the rest with spamassassin. e.g. a recent week had 103398 spam rejected by postfix. a further 145 spams were detected by spamassassin, tagged, and filtered to my spam quarantine mailbox (and used to construct or refine my anti-spam rules). 1271 legitimate messages were delivered. Percentages: spam ratio (103543/104814) 98.79% tagged messages (145/1416) 10.24% rejected spam (103398/103543) 99.86% of those 1271, there were probably a few (anything up to 4 or 5) that were false-negatives (undetected spam). that's not bad compared to the >100,000 spams that would have flooded my mailboxes otherwise. i don't see that as being in the slightest bit defeatist. i just know where to concentrate my efforts for best results. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From cas at taz.net.au Sun Jan 7 11:58:40 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:58:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <45A03ECF.7020802@lannet.com.au> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> <20070106071951.GH26390@taz.net.au> <459F5273.4000301@lannet.com.au> <20070106225701.GI26390@taz.net.au> <45A03ECF.7020802@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070107005840.GJ26390@taz.net.au> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 11:29:03AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > >it may provide you with some sense of satisfaction, but it doesn't > >actually achieve anything. address-munging is a useless ritual as > >effective as prayer or waving a dead chicken over your modem. your time > >and effort is better spent on improving your anti-spam rules. > > Do you mean that the lucky rabbit's foot tied onto my monitor won't work? it will work about as well as address-munging. > I can write very tight anti-spam rules, but the rate of false > positives ramps up to an unacceptable extent and much of that is > mal-configured genuine servers. like i said, it's up to you to decide your level of tolerance for FPs. > >e.g. a recent week had 103398 spam rejected by postfix. a further 145 > > Mmmm, that would be a quiet week for me :) it's only a small home mail server, handling mail for about half a dozen people. over 103000 spams rejected for about 1200 messages delivered. that's absurd...words fail me over how wrong that is. (and that doesn't include the spams that get blocked by my firewall packet filtering rules - i block most of china and some other countries. they don't even get as far as postfix, so don't get logged. i can afford to do that on a small home server because i don't know anyone in china and dont care in the slightest about the miniscule risk of blocking a legit message from there. i couldn't do that kind of blocking on a company or ISP mail server). craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From stephen at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 8 03:50:06 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 03:50:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108021323.01c56f98@melbpc.org.au> At 01:49 PM 6/01/2007, Rachel wrote: >On Sat, 6 Jan 2007, Antony wrote: > >>On 31/12/2006, at 3:45 PM, Stewart wrote: >> >>>I'll start worrying about ESP the first day I ever get the slightest >>>evidence (or even 'inkling') that it exists. I've watched the claims for 60 >>>years, and never seen anything stand up to even a modicum of scientific >>>examination or evaluation. >> >>Research into the paranormal seems to follow a kind of quantum uncertainty principle. >>The more effort you put into trying to measure an effect the more it seems to go away :^) > >I am surprised no one got around to mentioning the obvious.... http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ Yes, and I would suggest we put all this together, and start seriously looking at science-assisted-extra-sensory-perception .. and of even more importance .. science-assisted-extra-sensory-communication. And yes at first it may take a hat with 64 EMF detectors, but once we know the frequencies (12Hz?), the signal pulse-rates and the various neuron-areas which create human electromagnetic brain-wave fields (accurate 3D EMF brain-maps), then increasingly powerful computer algorithms may mean that 'extra-sensory' (and even two-way) human communication is possible. For example amplified 'telepathy' of text? Being one species I bet humans process text in much the same way with the same frequencies, bit-patterns and brain-neuron locations. If so it's reasonable to suppose technology could transfer our mind-info directly as one data-stream, and thus, send and receive text directly? Cheers, Stephen ps, with many examples of 'loving-empathy' human communications especially, reportedly received telepathically though, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, in extreme moments, we humans did have this ability. From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 8 09:01:27 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 07:01:27 +0900 Subject: [LINK] E-vote systems certifier de-certified Message-ID: <20070108070127.ucqmmr69wp0kso4w@webmail.iimetro.com.au> E-vote systems certifier de-certified We can't prove anything, so neither can the Feds By Thomas C Greene in Dublin Published Friday 5th January 2007 12:40 GMT The Register http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/05/evoting_not_well_understood/ The leading certifier of US electronic voting systems, Colorado outfit Ciber, Inc., is no longer permitted to issue certifications, after federal investigators discovered appallingly haphazard testing regimes, the New York Times reports. Ciber, which certifies the majority of US election devices, was unable to document how it supposedly tested the machines for accuracy and security. Due to the oddities of US elections regulations, no government agency is assigned this role; rather, device manufacturers pay whoever they wish to rubber-stamp their kit. The US federal Election Assistance Commission began oversight only in July 2006, and immediately found problems with Ciber's records, but did not act until recently, presumably in fear that the November election results would be brought into question. Ciber has been barred from issuing certifications until it can demonstrate proper quality controls and documentation of its "work". The company says it's on the mend, however, and assures investors that it will win federal accreditation this month. Voters may be less optimistic. While Ciber may not be allowed to certify machines until the Commission is satisfied with its recordkeeping, nothing is yet being done to re-examine the machines it "passed" without adequate controls. And nothing is being done to bring transparency to the business of voting machine testing and certification, although this is perhaps the most important element of any trustworthy scheme. A good model can be found in the Nevada Gaming Commission, which investigates even the smallest complaints with Las Vegas's electronic slot machines (among many other things). If these machines were certified by anyone the makers wished to hire, the public would soon mobilise in protest, and casinos would lose significant revenue from their most blatant mechanisms of mass theft. And yet there is no popular outcry against the lack of accountability and transparency in the e-voting racket. It's interesting to note that the public is clearly less concerned with the integrity of its election equipment than it is with a one-armed bandit in a Vegas hotel. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From mike.shearer at jcu.edu.au Mon Jan 8 09:37:35 2007 From: mike.shearer at jcu.edu.au (Mike Shearer) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:37:35 +1000 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108021323.01c56f98@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108021323.01c56f98@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45A1762F.3070703@jcu.edu.au> Stephen Loosley wrote: > Yes, and I would suggest we put all this together, and start seriously > looking at science-assisted-extra-sensory-perception .. and of even > more importance .. science-assisted-extra-sensory-communication. > > And yes at first it may take a hat with 64 EMF detectors, but once we > know the frequencies (12Hz?), the signal pulse-rates and the various > neuron-areas which create human electromagnetic brain-wave fields > (accurate 3D EMF brain-maps), then increasingly powerful computer > algorithms may mean that 'extra-sensory' (and even two-way) human > communication is possible. For example amplified 'telepathy' of text? > > Being one species I bet humans process text in much the same way > with the same frequencies, bit-patterns and brain-neuron locations. If > so it's reasonable to suppose technology could transfer our mind-info > directly as one data-stream, and thus, send and receive text directly? > > Cheers, > Stephen > ps, with many examples of 'loving-empathy' human communications > especially, reportedly received telepathically though, I wouldn't be at > all surprised if, in extreme moments, we humans did have this ability. > > > Extremely unlikely, ever. Unless you are satisfied with a fuzzy so-broad-its-meaningless message, to which you attach your own meaning and then feel that there has been real communication. Such as you can already get with channellers and psychics. -- Mike Shearer BA, BPsych(Hons) PGDipClinPsych James Cook University Townsville Queensland 4810 +61 7 4781 4482 Fax +61 7 4781 5886 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 8 10:53:33 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:53:33 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity Message-ID: Rachael wrote on Confirmation Bias > Is Johnny's reaction to Ziggy's paper an example of this? More to the point, is Ziggy's report the ultimate example of this. And getting back to the original question under discussion: Where did all the nuclear scientists go when the bottom dropped out of their industry? When I was a kid, a job in nuclear energy engineering/physics was seen as being the career-path with the most prospects of wealth and fame in the scientific area. Thousands of bright kids must have gone into this industry full of hope, then found themselves without prospects of employment. Ziggy became a research laboratory administrator for Eastman Kodak in the USA. And I keep stumbling across other nuclear physics graduates in various radiation-related fields -- specifically in radio telecommunications (which has very little carry over). They seem to be seen here as the engineering types who have an understanding of potential interaction with biological systems. So they ended up running the various EMF-equipment testing labs and health/radiation standards groups. You find them in these jobs all around the world, and the various IEEE and ANSI committees are full of them. I suspect that many ex-nuclear physicists have a very dim view of the health and environmental activists who killed their industry and their careers. And I suspect that this explains their rather cavalier dismissal of all claims of potential harm from R/F power sources; cellphones and the like. They are quite confident that only ionising (above UV) forms of radiation can effect biological tissue, unless the non-ionising forms are powerful enough to raise the core temperature of their test rats by one degree Centigrade (thermal effects). And this is how the 'safety standards' are set around the world. They know this with absolute confidence because that's what they were taught in their nuclear radiation classes thirty years ago. That's still conventional wisdom in this area of science, despite hundreds of biomedical researchers saying that they can measure or detect biological changes in humans, animals and tissue cultures at radiation levels far below the thermal threshold, with (non-ionising) sources like radio and microwave transmitters. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au Mon Jan 8 11:10:48 2007 From: Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au (Pilcher, Fred) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 11:10:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F68@cal066.act.gov.au> Did anyone see the show on SBS at 8:30 last night - "Nuclear Nightmares"? It was purportedly a report on analyses of medium to low dosages of radiation following Chernobyl, showing that, contrary to received wisdom, not only were the number of deaths orders of magnitude smaller than predicted but, at the fringe, it may be possible to interpret the evidence such that low dosages may actually have a beneficial effect on the immune system. If it was genuine, it turns current attitudes towards the noocular industry on their head. If not, it was an extraordinary propaganda job. Unfortunately I'm no position to judge which it was. Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 8 11:10:52 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:10:52 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath Message-ID: I signed up to Optusnet a couple of years ago, and for various reasons I was unable to use my new e-mail address for a couple of weeks. The first e-mail I received on this new address was a Welcome from Optus; the second was ... you guessed it ... spam. Both arrived before any e-mail had ever been sent from this account. Most probably one of their employees was just making some cash on the side. It doesn't appear to have caused a flood of spam compared to how many I used to get from my old ozemail address, so I guess it didn't get into a wider circulation list for some reason. Ozemail also use to send me a mass of spam that wasn't even remotely addressed to me. Optusnet's spam filters seem to work fairly well, except for that type of stock-market promotion that uses borrowed text and fake subject and author lines. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 8 11:10:57 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:10:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ii0ro$23gtcf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 10:53 AM 8/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >various radiation-related fields -- specifically in radio telecommunications >(which has very little carry over). Well, the first 4 letters match. That's not bad.... ;-) Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 8 11:34:50 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:34:50 +0900 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070108093450.7pn5b3crz72ssckg@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Quoting Stewart Fist : > And getting back to the original question under discussion: > > Where did all the nuclear scientists go when the bottom dropped out of their > industry? They sometimes try and do things they are not trained to do. My experience of nuclear scientists is that they are trained to understand how to take things apart i.e. they are reductionists. Where they tend to fall down is understanding how complex things work i.e. emergent properties of chaotic, non-linear systems. The nuclear industry and the wider social systems it fits into is much more complex than any of the physical systems nuclear scientists work on. Unfortunately the people who hire nuclear scientists and the nuclear scientists themselves are generally unaware of this. Similarly, the subtle, emergent effects of electromagnetic radiation on biological systems is beyond their experience horizon. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 8 11:43:41 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:43:41 +0900 Subject: [LINK] NYT suggests avoiding Windows to improve security Message-ID: <20070108094341.rtyc2y4us6jo0k0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Tips for Protecting the Home Computer By JOHN MARKOFF January 7, 2007 New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/technology/07tips.html?_r=1&oref=slog in Botnet programs and other malicious software largely take aim at PCs runnin g the Microsoft Windows operating system, because Windows? ubiquity makes it fe rtile ground for network-based attacks. Using a non-Windows-based PC may be one defense against these programs, kno wn as malware; in addition, anti-malware programs and antivirus utilities for the PC are available from several vendors. Windows users should use the Windows Up date feature. ... etc -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From stil at stilgherrian.com Mon Jan 8 11:58:04 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:58:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <45A1945E.1010508@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On 8/1/07 11:46 AM, "Howard Lowndes" wrote: > Pilcher, Fred wrote: >> If it was genuine, it turns current attitudes towards the noocular industry >> on their head. If not, it was an extraordinary propaganda job. Unfortunately >> I'm no position to judge which it was. > > I did see the program and was thinking along the same lines, but I > forgot to check who published the program. The original "publisher" was the BBC. It was an episode of "Panorama", the BBC's equivalent to "Four Corners". Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 8 11:58:31 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:58:31 +0900 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F68@cal066.act.gov.au> References: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F68@cal066.act.gov.au> Message-ID: <20070108095831.zbv4duhouhsk4wsw@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Quoting "Pilcher, Fred" : > Did anyone see the show on SBS at 8:30 last night - "Nuclear Nightmares"? BBC Horizon. More info and other links here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5173310.stm -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Mon Jan 8 12:13:19 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:13:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <20070106225701.GI26390@taz.net.au> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> <20070106071951.GH26390@taz.net.au> <459F5273.4000301@lannet.com.au> <20070106225701.GI26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <3F6F2CC1-A74E-4FF5-B090-BEFF8F75E2F0@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 07/01/2007, at 9:57 AM, Craig Sanders wrote: .... > is a useless ritual as > effective as prayer or waving a dead chicken over your modem... You mean I've been keeping that frozen chicken in the freezer for nothing!! :-[ Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Mon Jan 8 12:25:29 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:25:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 08/01/2007, at 10:53 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > Where did all the nuclear scientists go when the bottom dropped out > of their > industry? > > When I was a kid, a job in nuclear energy engineering/physics was > seen as > being the career-path with the most prospects of wealth and fame in > the > scientific area. Thousands of bright kids must have gone into this > industry > full of hope, then found themselves without prospects of employment. When I was 21 I thought I was going to be a thermonuclear physicist and ended up a librarian... We are still waiting for thermonuclear. If ITER works we *might* have something useful in thirty years. Tony Feral Librarian | http://tony-barry.emu.id.au P: 02 6241 7659 | tony at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au M: 04 1242 0397 | tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au From eleanor at pacific.net.au Mon Jan 8 12:34:36 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:34:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <20070108095831.zbv4duhouhsk4wsw@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F68@cal066.act.gov.au> <20070108095831.zbv4duhouhsk4wsw@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45A19FAC.9050304@pacific.net.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > Quoting "Pilcher, Fred" : > >> Did anyone see the show on SBS at 8:30 last night - "Nuclear >> Nightmares"? > > BBC Horizon. > More info and other links here: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5173310.stm > interesting article, it seems much more work needs to be done, as the scientific community does not seem to have consensus on this. i find it interesting that the suggestion that nuclear power is safe emerges at a time when politicians are pushing hard for the industry. -- ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From cas at taz.net.au Mon Jan 8 12:43:43 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:43:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <3F6F2CC1-A74E-4FF5-B090-BEFF8F75E2F0@tony-barry.emu.id.au> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> <20070106071951.GH26390@taz.net.au> <459F5273.4000301@lannet.com.au> <20070106225701.GI26390@taz.net.au> <3F6F2CC1-A74E-4FF5-B090-BEFF8F75E2F0@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Message-ID: <20070108014343.GK26390@taz.net.au> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 12:13:19PM +1100, Antony Barry wrote: > On 07/01/2007, at 9:57 AM, Craig Sanders wrote: > > >is a useless ritual as > >effective as prayer or waving a dead chicken over your modem... > > You mean I've been keeping that frozen chicken in the freezer for > nothing!! :-[ not really. it would probably make a good sunday lunch. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Mon Jan 8 13:07:36 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:07:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <20070108093450.7pn5b3crz72ssckg@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070108093450.7pn5b3crz72ssckg@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: On 08/01/2007, at 11:34 AM, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > They sometimes try and do things they are not trained to do. My > experience of > nuclear scientists is that they are trained to understand how to > take things > apart i.e. they are reductionists. Where they tend to fall down is > understanding how complex things work i.e. emergent properties of > chaotic, > non-linear systems. Science, particularly the physical sciences, succeeds well in areas which are simple at gross level and simplifying assumptions can be made. Astrophysics is a case in point. A star is simple. It is largely spherically symmetrical , with an overlay of cylindrical symmetry on it's axis of rotation. As a first approximation you can assume reasonably smooth flow in it's interior and straightforward radiative transfer of energy which is produced by a few of the particles of the standard nuclear model interacting. You can observe type II supernova and find that you can predict their evolution by knowing what they must be made of initially. The theory predicted that when the core collapsed and electrons and protons merged to form neutrons at the core resulting in a neutron star. A flash of neutrons would exit the star and precede the emission of light which would follow when the shock wave from the explosion reached the surface of the star about eight minutes later. And so it proved to be. When the supernova 87A exploded in 1987 the light travelled for 50,000 years to get here but eight minutes before it arrived at the earth the two neutrino detectors, one in Japan, one in the US, saw the pulse of neutrinos. I think this is one of the most dramatic demonstrations of the power of theoretical physical models EVER in the history of science involving as it did quantum mechanics, nuclear theory, gravity, non- linear effects in fluid dynamics and plasma physics. Once you get to the nitty gritty of fine scale effects like solar flares things become messy however. Getting back to reductionism. You need it. Being holistic will only get you so far. On the other hand if you just start with the bits you won't go far either. There are ~1000 parts in a bicycle. You'd have to be Leonardo to figure out what you could do with the bits if you had never seen a bicycle being used. Take an example from chemistry. Back in the 50's the chemists knew about hydrogen bonding empirically but it wasn't until we could pull a chemical compound to bits and use quantum theory and solve Schr?dinger equation for the system that we could predict how strong it would be and how and where it would work. I seem to have spent most of my adult life doing things I wasn't trained to do. I like to think a mostly did a reasonable job and I like to think that it was my education in mathematics and physics which had a large part in it. You can't understand the whole without knowing how the parts interact. You can't predict what the parts will do unless you have an idea of what the whole does. A good education in physics helps. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Mon Jan 8 13:21:16 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:21:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <45A19FAC.9050304@pacific.net.au> References: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F68@cal066.act.gov.au> <20070108095831.zbv4duhouhsk4wsw@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A19FAC.9050304@pacific.net.au> Message-ID: <7EE81B33-5893-4C79-BB71-67E8008CFEB6@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 08/01/2007, at 12:34 PM, Eleanor Lister wrote: > interesting article, it seems much more work needs to be done, as the > scientific community does not seem to have consensus on this. I think most of the health physics dosage stuff was done by tracking Hiroshima survivors and trying to estimate their exposure and following their subsequent health. The estimates would have been poor. The other problem is the dosage response curve. The "official" view is that it is linear but it may not be. Below a certain threshold there may be no effect or it even may be beneficial. If you assume it's linear then Chernobyl will produce hundreds of thousands of extra cancer cases in Europe BUT they will be hidden in the much larger number of naturally occurring cases and thence unmeasurable. It's not like tobacco where the figures were obvious to anybody who looked and was honest. So wildly different assertions can be made about death rates. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 8 13:40:33 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:40:33 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: <20070108093450.7pn5b3crz72ssckg@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$23iua5@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 01:07 PM 8/01/2007, Antony Barry wrote: >You can't understand the whole without >knowing how the parts interact. You can't predict what the parts will >do unless you have an idea of what the whole does. A good education >in physics helps. Lovely comments on both sides of the coin of 'wholes', Tony. I would add: you can't understand the impact of the whole unless you look to the context of where the whole fits in the next higher level of order in the universe. Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 8 13:42:19 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:42:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <20070108014343.GK26390@taz.net.au> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> <20070106071951.GH26390@taz.net.au> <459F5273.4000301@lannet.com.au> <20070106225701.GI26390@taz.net.au> <3F6F2CC1-A74E-4FF5-B090-BEFF8F75E2F0@tony-barry.emu.id.au> <20070108014343.GK26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$23j0fo@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 12:43 PM 8/01/2007, Craig Sanders wrote: >it would probably make a good sunday lunch. Or a cold pack if you've run out of peas. (says Jan who has tendonitis and is using corn packs) Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 8 13:49:26 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:49:26 +0900 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful Message-ID: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> AJAX May Be Considered Harmful Slashdot http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/06/216245.shtml "Security lists are abuzz about a presentation from the 23C3 conference, which details a fundamental design flaw in Javascript . The technique, called Prototype Hijacking, allows an attacker to redefine any feature of Javascript. The paper is called 'Subverting AJAX' (pdf), and outlines a possible Web Worm that lives in the very fabric of Web 2.0 and could kill the Web as we know it." -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Mon Jan 8 14:13:57 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:13:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: At 11:49 +0900 8/1/07, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: >The paper is called 'Subverting AJAX' > >(pdf), and outlines a possible Web Worm that lives in the very >fabric of Web 2.0 >and could kill the Web as we know it." Unsurprisingly, the server's suffering overload ... Note the pre-counter at http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/12/01/1634203.shtml An anonymous reader writes "Jeremiah Grossman (CTO of WhiteHat Security) has published Myth-Busting - an article dismissing the hyped-up claims that AJAX is insecure. He says: 'The hype surrounding AJAX and security risks is hard to miss. Supposedly, this hot new technology responsible for compelling web-based applications like Gmail and Google Maps harbors a dark secret that opens the door to malicious hackers. Not exactly true ... Word on the cyber-street is that AJAX is the harbinger of larger attack surfaces, increased complexity, fake requests, denial of service, deadly cross-site scripting (XSS) , reliance on client-side security, and more. In reality, these issues existed well before AJAX. And, the recommended security best practices remain unchanged.'" -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Mon Jan 8 14:22:35 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:22:35 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$23iua5@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <20070108093450.7pn5b3crz72ssckg@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <5ii0ro$23iua5@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <39AEEE51-B837-4EC3-81FB-D89592217B8E@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 08/01/2007, at 1:40 PM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 01:07 PM 8/01/2007, Antony Barry wrote: >> You can't understand the whole without >> knowing how the parts interact. You can't predict what the parts will >> do unless you have an idea of what the whole does. A good education >> in physics helps. > > Lovely comments on both sides of the coin of 'wholes', Tony. I > would add: you can't understand the impact of the whole unless you > look to the context of where the whole fits in the next higher > level of order in the universe. That's where "does" comes in. The "whole" does things in the next higher level. The bottom level which makes everything else work is physics and its language is mathematics. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Mon Jan 8 14:32:46 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (Richard Chirgwin) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:32:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45A1BB5E.6070200@ozemail.com.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > AJAX May Be Considered Harmful > Slashdot > http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/06/216245.shtml > > "Security lists are abuzz about a presentation from the 23C3 > conference, which details a > fundamental design flaw in Javascript > . > > The technique, called Prototype Hijacking, allows an attacker to redefine any > feature of Javascript. > > The paper is called 'Subverting AJAX' > > (pdf), and outlines a possible Web Worm that lives in the very fabric of Web 2.0 > and could kill the Web as we know it." > > That's an equivocation that crosses an awful lot of space, really quickly, on really stumpy short little legs ... Web 2.0 == "the Web as we know it." RC From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 8 14:38:03 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:38:03 +0900 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <20070108123803.tuxhlicytkd4c84o@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Quoting Roger Clarke : > Note the pre-counter at > http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/12/01/1634203.shtml > An anonymous reader writes > In reality, these issues existed well before AJAX. And, the > recommended security best practices remain unchanged.'" This is one of those meaningless statements. It's a bit like saying that ID theft has always existed and that you should always keep your wallet safe. What I would like to know is: Does AJAX make the problem larger or smaller? Computers have the unfortunate ability to magnify weaknesses. The time between hitting the return key and "Oops, I shouldn't have done that" is reducing in proportion to Moore's law. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From planetjim at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 14:46:07 2007 From: planetjim at gmail.com (jim birch) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:46:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <39e534e70701071946s3aeaba38l495f555a07652ef4@mail.gmail.com> On 08/01/07, Roger Clarke quoted: > > "In reality, these issues existed well before AJAX." Javascript has been around for a long time, so, it must be the XML that makes AJAX really, really dangerous? Personally, I've always found that verbose, text-based data formatting schemes gave me a spooky feeling of something really big, dark and uncontrollable lying hidden just below the surface. More seriously, are they thick enough to believe their own bs, or, are they just making a cynical grab for the limelight? Or, both? Jim From Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au Mon Jan 8 14:57:11 2007 From: Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au (Pilcher, Fred) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:57:11 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <39e534e70701071946s3aeaba38l495f555a07652ef4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F7C@cal066.act.gov.au> > On 08/01/07, Roger Clarke quoted: > > > > "In reality, these issues existed well before AJAX." > > > Javascript has been around for a long time, so, it must be > the XML that > makes AJAX really, really dangerous? My Web 2 sense is tingling... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cas at taz.net.au Mon Jan 8 15:34:34 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:34:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <20070108043434.GL26390@taz.net.au> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:13:57PM +1100, Roger Clarke wrote: > At 11:49 +0900 8/1/07, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > >The paper is called 'Subverting AJAX' > > > >(pdf), and outlines a possible Web Worm that lives in the very > >fabric of Web 2.0 > >and could kill the Web as we know it." > > Unsurprisingly, the server's suffering overload ... > > > Note the pre-counter at > http://it.slashdot.org/it/06/12/01/1634203.shtml > An anonymous reader writes > "Jeremiah Grossman (CTO of WhiteHat Security) has published > Myth-Busting - an article dismissing the hyped-up claims that AJAX > is insecure. He says: 'The hype surrounding AJAX and security risks > is hard to miss. Supposedly, this hot new technology responsible for > compelling web-based applications like Gmail and Google Maps harbors > a dark secret that opens the door to malicious hackers. Not exactly > true ... Word on the cyber-street is that AJAX is the harbinger > of larger attack surfaces, increased complexity, fake requests, > denial of service, deadly cross-site scripting (XSS) , reliance on > client-side security, and more. the problem isn't specific to "AJAX" (which, really, is not a new technology, it's just a fancy new name for web pages with javascript code). the problem is inherent to running untrusted programs. AJAX (and javascript in general) doesn't increase the risk, it just makes it more commonplace...especially as people start to think that trusting random code from random sites is normal behaviour. > In reality, these issues existed well before AJAX. And, the > recommended security best practices remain unchanged.'" yes. and teh recommended best practice is to disable javascript (and java and shockwave and all other executable content from web sites). enable them ONLY for sites that you would trust to run arbitrary programs on your computer (remember that you can't restrict WHAT the code does*, you can only decide whether the site can run js/swf/java/etc code or not). * with a few very limited exceptions. e.g. there are options in some browsers to disable changing the status bar or popping up a new window. those things are very specific actions and thus easy to block. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 8 19:37:39 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:37:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > AJAX May Be Considered Harmful > Slashdot > http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/06/216245.shtml An interesting bit of real-world experience with Javascript and AJAX was submitted anonymously to the above thread, which I will recklessly quote here in its entirety. From the sounds of it, AJAX is not to be considered a viable applications building platform. cheers rickw ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AJAX applications just aren't solid or stable, for the most part. We tried to integrate a number of them into our network here, and frankly each attempt went terribly. I'd like to think it was just one application vendor or AJAX toolkit that was problematic, but that wasn't the case. We found a number of common problems with every AJAX application we tried. Just for the record, the applications included three CMS systems, a Web-based email system, two groupware systems, and three Web forums. The first major problem with one of resource usage, on both the client-side and the server-side. Client-side, many AJAX applications consume far too much CPU time. From our investigation, it was due to the use of poor JavaScript algorithms that'd consume 100% of the CPU in some cases, for minutes on end. The applications "worked", in that they'd provide the correct result. It'd just take them far too long to get it done. On the server-side, they'd again result in excessive CPU and RAM consumption. For one of the Webmail systems, we could only handle a fifth (yes, 20%) of what our old Perl-based system could. And that was on a quad-core Opteron system with 8 GB of RAM! The Perl-based system was on a couple of 200 MHz Pentium systems, each with 128 MB of RAM. Even after assistance from the AJAX-based Webmail system's vendor, we were only able to handle roughly 90% of the number of transactions of our older system. The second major problem is that of usability. Many of the AJAX apps we tried didn't play well with browser tabs, for instance. Some even fucked around with text input areas, resulting in copy-and-pasting no longer working. One application even prevented the text within a text field from being highlighted! We thought these problems may be browser-specific incompatibilities, be we ran into this same problem with Firefox, Safari, Opera, and even IE6! After talking with the vendor, they admitted these were known problems, and no solutions were presently available. The third major problem is a lack of quality. Many AJAX applications are poorly coded and poorly designed. I think the main reason for that is because it's such an unstructured technology. Even competent software developers run into problems that cannot be solved easily, and thus must resort to hackish techniques to overcome these inherent problems. The fourth major problem was that the users hated the systems. Of the few systems we managed to roll out successfully, the users absolutely hated them. Their complaints were a combination of the above three factors. The AJAX applications would not do what the user wanted. The AJAX applications did not conform to common practices (eg. copy-and-paste, textbox text selection, etc.). The AJAX applications ran far too slowly, even on fast client machines. The AJAX applications just plain didn't work! All of our AJAX trials were abysmal failures. That's why we're sticking with the existing Perl- and Java-based systems that we currently use. They perform far better on much fewer resources, actually do what the users want, avoid violating the most common of conventions, and they do what they're supposed to. I'm sorry to say it, but AJAX might just be the worst technology I have ever had to deal with. From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Mon Jan 8 20:50:35 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:50:35 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: >brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: >> AJAX May Be Considered Harmful >> Slashdot >> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/06/216245.shtml > At 19:37 +1100 8/1/07, Rick Welykochy wrote: >An interesting bit of real-world experience with Javascript and AJAX >was submitted anonymously to the above thread, which I will recklessly >quote here in its entirety. From the sounds of it, AJAX is not to be >considered a viable applications building platform. Bugger copyright, this deserves wide distribution and widely distributed archival. (Quite apart from the information content, even after years of practice I seldom manage to write with such clarity!). >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >AJAX applications just aren't solid or stable, for the most part. We >tried to integrate a number of them into our network here, and >frankly each attempt went terribly. I'd like to think it was just >one application vendor or AJAX toolkit that was problematic, but >that wasn't the case. > >We found a number of common problems with every AJAX application we >tried. Just for the record, the applications included three CMS >systems, a Web-based email system, two groupware systems, and three >Web forums. > >The first major problem with one of resource usage, on both the >client-side and the server-side. Client-side, many AJAX applications >consume far too much CPU time. From our investigation, it was due to >the use of poor JavaScript algorithms that'd consume 100% of the CPU >in some cases, for minutes on end. The applications "worked", in >that they'd provide the correct result. It'd just take them far too >long to get it done. > >On the server-side, they'd again result in excessive CPU and RAM >consumption. For one of the Webmail systems, we could only handle a >fifth (yes, 20%) of what our old Perl-based system could. And that >was on a quad-core Opteron system with 8 GB of RAM! The Perl-based >system was on a couple of 200 MHz Pentium systems, each with 128 MB >of RAM. Even after assistance from the AJAX-based Webmail system's >vendor, we were only able to handle roughly 90% of the number of >transactions of our older system. > >The second major problem is that of usability. Many of the AJAX apps >we tried didn't play well with browser tabs, for instance. Some even >fucked around with text input areas, resulting in copy-and-pasting >no longer working. One application even prevented the text within a >text field from being highlighted! We thought these problems may be >browser-specific incompatibilities, be we ran into this same problem >with Firefox, Safari, Opera, and even IE6! After talking with the >vendor, they admitted these were known problems, and no solutions >were presently available. > >The third major problem is a lack of quality. Many AJAX applications >are poorly coded and poorly designed. I think the main reason for >that is because it's such an unstructured technology. Even competent >software developers run into problems that cannot be solved easily, >and thus must resort to hackish techniques to overcome these >inherent problems. > >The fourth major problem was that the users hated the systems. Of >the few systems we managed to roll out successfully, the users >absolutely hated them. Their complaints were a combination of the >above three factors. The AJAX applications would not do what the >user wanted. The AJAX applications did not conform to common >practices (eg. copy-and-paste, textbox text selection, etc.). The >AJAX applications ran far too slowly, even on fast client machines. >The AJAX applications just plain didn't work! > >All of our AJAX trials were abysmal failures. That's why we're >sticking with the existing Perl- and Java-based systems that we >currently use. They perform far better on much fewer resources, >actually do what the users want, avoid violating the most common of >conventions, and they do what they're supposed to. I'm sorry to say >it, but AJAX might just be the worst technology I have ever had to >deal with. >_______________________________________________ >Link mailing list >Link at mailman.anu.edu.au >http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From adrian at creative.net.au Mon Jan 8 22:08:52 2007 From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 19:08:52 +0800 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070108110852.GF11273@skywalker.creative.net.au> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: > On the server-side, they'd again result in excessive CPU and RAM > consumption. For one of the Webmail systems, we could only handle a fifth > (yes, 20%) of what our old Perl-based system could. And that was on a > quad-core Opteron system with 8 GB of RAM! The Perl-based system was on a > couple of 200 MHz Pentium systems, each with 128 MB of RAM. Even after > assistance from the AJAX-based Webmail system's vendor, we were only able > to handle roughly 90% of the number of transactions of our older system. I don't buy it. It has to be written -badly- for it to have that kind of performance hit. There's many reasons to think twice before deploying lots of AJAX'ed apps but they have more to do with the people writing/verifying it than the technology involved. (Damnit Browser Vendors: where's my F$CKING sandbox that you touted as a wonderful thing in the mid 90s?) Adrian From grove at zeta.org.au Mon Jan 8 23:55:50 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:55:50 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <20070108110852.GF11273@skywalker.creative.net.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> <20070108110852.GF11273@skywalker.creative.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: > >> On the server-side, they'd again result in excessive CPU and RAM >> consumption. For one of the Webmail systems, we could only handle a fifth >> (yes, 20%) of what our old Perl-based system could. And that was on a >> quad-core Opteron system with 8 GB of RAM! The Perl-based system was on a >> couple of 200 MHz Pentium systems, each with 128 MB of RAM. Even after >> assistance from the AJAX-based Webmail system's vendor, we were only able >> to handle roughly 90% of the number of transactions of our older system. > > I don't buy it. It has to be written -badly- for it to have that kind of > performance hit. > > There's many reasons to think twice before deploying lots of AJAX'ed apps > but they have more to do with the people writing/verifying it than the > technology involved. > > (Damnit Browser Vendors: where's my F$CKING sandbox that you touted as > a wonderful thing in the mid 90s?) One of the big issues is that a lot of programmers are not testing their designs over a WAN or Internet. Thus we see the fabled "it works great on my workstation" scenarios where hapless web monkey has a perfectly working suite of Ajax apps, but fails to identify what happens when you're pushing lots of data down the pipe, when you're hopping across networks, being routed by a Content Switch, proxied, fragmented and retried. In the middle of all this, you have situations where the servers themselves are really not tuned properly for content of the appropriate type. When your appserver is pushing loads of Ajax enabled java servlets and the queries get stuck in lots of CLOSE_WAIT connections, which can be caused by a poorly written app, that either has a Java thread that has lost it's parent, or a session closed too quick by a user, or a poorly formed SQL query that creates a seeming hang of the client, which is then closed by the user and so on. No one seems to test for these things much. Rob, my partner, who is a web developer has recently started looking at Ajax as a solution to his problems, but has decided it is not properly ready yet. He is in a position where the decree from above is that PHP is the language to be used for web dev, hell in fact they are trying to force him to use a HTML editor instead of vi and so on. So he is constrained by being a Perl hacker, forced to work in the constraints of the Poorly Hosted Pages product and the related technologies. We have found numerous problems with PHP, from the implementations of the Oracle OCI plug, to the way it interacts with the user sessions and so on. We have looked at workarounds and he has written code that is as secure as is possible. What he likes about PHP is the Object Oriented aspects of it - he's written beautiful, elegant code that works great and even I can understand it. But the handling of variables and the passing of values to parameters in functions is a bit painful, unlike the simple elegance of CGI.pm which can do anything you want, safely and simply. So of course the time for development stretches out because to taint check your PHP code takes a lot longer than it does in Perl, because when you taint perl, it whinges and carries on, whereas PHP will quite happily accept practically anything you throw at it. This is where the problems with Ajax breaks down and what it is supposed to accomplish - a form of Validation of user input prior to it hitting the database or whatever your tier is. Ajax can do the Validation stuff just fine, but it's no good if it can be readily usurped, because then you have to rely on PHP to accept the guff it's been offered. It's very tempting to use Ajax, because it does have some merit, but there seems to be a fork in RAD development these days where the end product "just works" but really it's become a rush job, where only the most basic thought is put into what the data is really doing on the network.... rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From stephen at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 9 02:51:27 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:51:27 +1100 Subject: [LINK] EMF and Humans In-Reply-To: <45A1762F.3070703@jcu.edu.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108021323.01c56f98@melbpc.org.au> <45A1762F.3070703@jcu.edu.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070109012956.01020048@melbpc.org.au> At 09:37 AM 8/01/2007, Mike Shearer wrote: >> ps, with many examples of 'loving-empathy' human communications >> especially, reportedly received telepathically though, I wouldn't be at >> all surprised if, in extreme moments, we humans did have this ability. > > Unlikely, unless you are satisfied with a fuzzy so-broad-its-meaningless > message, to which you attach your own meaning and then feel that there > has been real communication. Yes well .. and between colleagues .. maybe one issue comes down to expectations .. discuss ESP, and people expect all or nothing ... instant 3D movies. We *are* finding new extra-sensory neuron-communication channels (eg, TAARs) Imho, the neurosciences ought look more at EMF. -- Nature. Aug 10 2006 (snip) 442(7103):645-50. A second class of chemosensory receptors in the olfactory epithelium. Liberles SD, Buck LB. Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Basic Sciences Division.. 1100 Fairview Avenue North, Seattle, Washington 98109, USA. The mammalian olfactory system detects chemicals. as well as social cues that stimulate innate responses. Here we report the discovery of a second family of receptors in the mouse olfactory epithelium. Genes encoding these receptors, called 'trace amine-associated receptors' (TAARs), are present in human, mouse and fish. Like odorant receptors, individual mouse TAARs are expressed in unique subsets of neurons dispersed in the epithelium. Notably, at least three mouse TAARs recognize volatile amines found in urine: one detects a compound linked to stress, whereas the other two detect compounds enriched in male versus female urine-one of which is reportedly a pheromone. The evolutionary conservation of the TAAR family suggests a chemosensory function distinct from odorant receptors. Ligands identified for TAARs thus far suggest a function associated with the detection of social cues. PMID: 16878137 [PubMed] -- Cheers, Mike Stephen Loosley BA Psych (Hons) & Grad Dip Psych Couns (plus others and also lapsed-member APS) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 7/01/2007 6:29 PM From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Mon Jan 8 16:40:46 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:40:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> Recommended: >Seventh Canberra WSG meeting > >When: Thursday 18 January >Time: 2.30 pm - 4.45 pm (please arrive by 2.15 pm to register with >security, even earlier if you need to find a car park) > >Where: Bunker Theatre, Department of the Environment and Heritage, >John Gorton Building, King Edward Tce, Parkes, ACT 2600 > >Cost: Free >RSVP: gavin.dispain at deh.gov.au (very important to speed up the sign >in process) > >First speaker: Alexi Paschalidis, Oxide Interactive Topic 1: Navy >web site redevelopment ... > >Second speaker: Gavin Dispain, Department of the Environment and Heritage >Topic 2: 2006 web standards audit of Australian Government home pages >During December 2006, the home pages of 105 Australian Government >web sites were audited for compliance with W3C, WAI and Australian >Government best practice web standards. Gavin will present the >findings of the audit. > >Web sites that were audited: aad, abs, accc, accesscard, afma, afp, >ag, agimo, ags, ahc, aic, amsa, anao, anbg, aph, apsc, apvma, army, >asada, asic, asio, ato, ausport, australia, >australianapprenticeships, awm, bom, casa, centrelink, chah, >citizenship, coag, community, communitywatergrants, connected, >connectedwater, crimecommission, crimtrac, cultureandrecreation, >customs, daff, dcita, defence, deh, dest, dewr, dfat, dha, >directory, dotars, dpmc, dsd, dva, environment, ephc, >e-strategyguide, facs, finance, ga, gbrmpa, gcu, gov, greenhouse, >greenvehicleguide, harbourtrust, health, heritage, hreoc, >humanservices, immi, industry, ipaustralia, jobsearch, lebmf, lwa, >mdbc, medicareaustralia, mincos, movingintowork, naa, napswq, >nathers, nationalcapital, navy, nht, nla, npi, nrm, nsif, nwc, >oilrecycling, oipc, orer, ozco, peo, pm, privacy, publications, >smos, tenders, tga, travelsmart, treasury, waterrating, wea > >Third speaker: Karl Hayes, Hitwise Topic 3: Best practice tactics >for government web sites ... >... www.webstandardsgroup.org ... ps: Make sure you book and turn up on time. You can't wander in off the street, as the meeting is held in the "bunker theatre" UNDER the Department of Environment . Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From carl at xena.IPAustralia.gov.au Tue Jan 9 09:56:31 2007 From: carl at xena.IPAustralia.gov.au (Carl Makin) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:56:31 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A202D3.8050500@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: Morning All, We're running an build and release management tool called "Tableaux" (http://www.incanica.com/tableaux.html) that started out as just a java servelet but over the past couple of years has migrated to being heavily AJAXified. It's an impressive piece of software that, if it failed, would paralyse software development here. It's robust, reliable and the users love it. Yes, AJAX can be a complete horror, but that's no worse than the majority of IE6 or flash only websites out there. On 08/01/2007, at 7:37 PM, Rick Welykochy wrote: > AJAX May Be Considered Harmful > Slashdot > http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/06/216245.shtml . . > AJAX applications just aren't solid or stable, for the most part. > We tried to integrate a number of them into our network here, and > frankly each attempt went terribly. I'd like to think it was just > one application vendor or AJAX toolkit that was problematic, but > that wasn't the case. Tableaux runs 24/7 here, has up to 30 concurrent users and manages deployments across 20 environments. It's rock stable and very responsive. We have it running on a Sun v280 which has dual 750Mhz SPARC IIIi processors, which is not that big a box. . . > All of our AJAX trials were abysmal failures. That's why we're > sticking with the existing Perl- and Java-based systems that we > currently use. They perform far better on much fewer resources, > actually do what the users want, avoid violating the most common of > conventions, and they do what they're supposed to. I'm sorry to say > it, but AJAX might just be the worst technology I have ever had to > deal with. This guys sounds like he's had a nightmare, but our experience is quite different. Mind you we're only using one AJAX app, but it's fast, reliable and easy to use. AJAX has it's problems, but give it some time to settle down and mature. Carl. From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 9 11:40:27 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:40:27 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity Message-ID: Re Fred's "Nuclear Nightmares"? I only saw a few bits of it. It seemed to be a rehash of a lot of dubious material that I'd seen before. It seems to me that both sides are playing the public for suckers in the Chernobyl debate (as they also did in the Bopal debate). Both exaggerate their figures, and make unsustainable claims. I spent a lot of time looking at the Chernobly figures a few years ago, and came to the conclusion that I couldn't trust any of them enough to make a decision either way. Everyone in this nuclear area is already so committed to one side or the other that it would be very difficult to find a group that you could trust to make an intelligent inquiry. Personally, in these cases I always follow: 1. the Precautionary Principle (assume the worst, if the potential is catastrophic), 2. Russel's Dictum (that when scientists are in dispute, the layman is wise to sit on the fence), 3. Rumsfeld's Rubrik ("We don't know what we don't know) On the question of " low dosages may actually have a beneficial effect". This is called Hormesis in the literature. It is a theory that radiation below a threshold (not approached by cellphones) imparts a statistically significant increase in resistance to cancers among humans. The Neo-con technical guru George Gilder has proposed this as an explanation for his claimed reduction in cancer rates in developed countries. Unfortunately, the main scientific and evidential support for his theory is pretty close to zero. The idea was also promoted by the tobacco companies -- suggesting that environmental smoke in offices may have a protective effect against cancer-causing air pollution. And by some water polluting companies who dumped toxic waste into aquifers. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au Tue Jan 9 12:04:36 2007 From: Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au (Pilcher, Fred) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:04:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7F99@cal066.act.gov.au> Stewart wrote: > Re Fred's "Nuclear Nightmares"? > > I only saw a few bits of it. It seemed to be a rehash of a > lot of dubious material that I'd seen before. Thanks for that reality check, Stewart. As a card-carrying member of the Australian Skeptics I had my suspicions. I'll adopt Russel's Dictum as my own in this case. What pushed me over the edge was the timing. It just felt too co-incidental that, at a time in which politicians and industry are softening us up for noocular power, new research should magically come to light showing that radiation is actually good for us. It would be wonderful news if it were true, and we need to be particularly careful about believing something that we'd really like to believe merely because we'd like to believe it. Skepticism demands that we keep an open mind, but not be so open that out brains fall out. Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 9 12:18:25 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:18:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 11:40 AM 9/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >The idea was also promoted by the tobacco companies -- suggesting that >environmental smoke in offices may have a protective effect against >cancer-causing air pollution. And by some water polluting companies who >dumped toxic waste into aquifers. Sounds like the same self-serving cods wallop (my spell checker said these are two words, not one, but I and it may be wrong) that I heard on local ABC this morning. CHOICE is doing an expose on the non-evidence for the support of the effectiveness of herbal cures like aloe vera and lavender oil. A caller who was obviously a 'user' if not a seller of these products rang the show later and took poor Indira Naidu to task for bias toward the medical establishment. I had to laugh because the caller couldn't see her own bias when she 'swore' by the positive impact of these 'cures' based on some pseudo-'science' examples comparing the effects of potato skins on healing burns with no scars and no pain in 15 minutes. Of course she wouldn't listen to the show's compare, Lindy Burns (no pun, real name), who asked why scientific tests would be so wrong? The caller was so exasperated! Of course not everything that is good can be measured! I nearly peed myself! There's no debating illogic with some people who truly 'believe'. (George Bush et al come to mind as well.) Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From kauer at biplane.com.au Tue Jan 9 12:37:45 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:37:45 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <1168306665.29573.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 12:18 +1100, Jan Whitaker wrote: > establishment. I had to laugh because the caller couldn't see her own > bias when she 'swore' by the positive impact of these 'cures' based > on some pseudo-'science' examples comparing the effects of potato > skins on healing burns with no scars and no pain in 15 minutes. Of > course she wouldn't listen to the show's compare, Lindy Burns (no > pun, real name), who asked why scientific tests would be so wrong? There have been a lot of real, rational, sceptical scientific studies into the placebo effect, and the results can be truly startling. People tend to forget the placebo effect. What this says to me is that provided a remedy is at worst harmless, there should be no problem with people taking that remedy, or even with that remedy being prescribed to them, because it if they believe it will help them then it very likely WILL help them, even if only by improving their perceived well-being. Such remedies only cause harm when they displace or interfere with proven remedies (especially in the case of people in the care of others, like children), or when they exploit the credulous. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 9 12:40:38 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:40:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity Message-ID: Epidemiology is the science of looking at clusters of change in an otherwise unchanged baseline population. When the change effects everyone in the community, then epidemiology is virtually useless. This is a problem that Chernobyl faced, and which we face today with radio and other environmental exposures. Epidemiology just doesn't have tools for detecting changes that take place across whole populations. It also has few useful tools for detecting changes that take place slowly and insidiously over time. It can handle causal-consequences that happen within days or even up to a year or so, but not those spread over a couple of decades. Politics also is obsessed with short-term and critical outcomes - rather than with the long-term and insidious. So the funding, naturally enough, goes to researching those problems the politicians can see, to the exclusion of those that may only be suspected or hinted at in the evidence. The assumption is that they can be dealt with later. You can't really argue with this -- although it does show a certain superficiality to our consideration of most of these long-term concerns. And as we gradually solve most of the short-term/critical problems, we get increasingly left with the long-term/insidious. [A decade or so ago I went on a crusade to try and have the Labor Government fund a special institute within the CSIRO who's job it would be to look at the potential for long-term insidious health problems in the Australian community. But no one in the Party thought it was a useful idea. Lyn Allison of the Democrats was the only one in Parliament who seriously considered the idea.] On the question of thresholds, I think it is obvious that some toxic substances would have a threshold because we have evolved in an environment with toxic susbstances, and some wouldn't. But it also depends on what you mean by threshold; usually the term is only applied to critical consequences. If you give a certain amount to a lab rat, it might roll-over and die, so that is obviously above the threshold. If it show no immediate reaction, it is said to be below the threshold. But that tells you nothing about giving low-doses to the rat over a two-year life span unless you extend the program of research, and that will cost about $2 million to get statistically significant numbers with rats. And even then you can't extrapolate to a 90 year human life-span. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From adrian at creative.net.au Tue Jan 9 12:50:15 2007 From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:50:15 +0800 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <1168306665.29573.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <1168306665.29573.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070109015015.GC20784@skywalker.creative.net.au> On Tue, Jan 09, 2007, Karl Auer wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 12:18 +1100, Jan Whitaker wrote: > > establishment. I had to laugh because the caller couldn't see her own > > bias when she 'swore' by the positive impact of these 'cures' based > > on some pseudo-'science' examples comparing the effects of potato > > skins on healing burns with no scars and no pain in 15 minutes. Of > > course she wouldn't listen to the show's compare, Lindy Burns (no > > pun, real name), who asked why scientific tests would be so wrong? > > There have been a lot of real, rational, sceptical scientific studies > into the placebo effect, and the results can be truly startling. People > tend to forget the placebo effect. Taking first/second year Psychology at University has been a bit of an eye-opener. They talk about the "human, heal thyself" rates in relation to the placebo effect. The second year courses really seem to try and drill into people that they're looking not only for statistically significant effects but improved healing rates from the baseline self-healing rate. Sometimes I wish this kind of exposure to critical thinking was a requirement at upper secondary schooling levels but I know how unrealistic that'd be. Adrian From alan at austlii.edu.au Tue Jan 9 12:47:27 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:47:27 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:18:25 +1100 Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 11:40 AM 9/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: > >The idea was also promoted by the tobacco companies -- suggesting > >that environmental smoke in offices may have a protective effect > >against cancer-causing air pollution. And by some water polluting > >companies who dumped toxic waste into aquifers. > > Sounds like the same self-serving cods wallop (my spell checker said > these are two words, not one, but I and it may be wrong) that I heard > on local ABC this morning. CHOICE is doing an expose on the > non-evidence for the support of the effectiveness of herbal cures > like aloe vera and lavender oil. A caller who was obviously a > 'user' if not a seller of these products rang the show later and > took poor Indira Naidu to task for bias toward the medical > establishment. I had to laugh because the caller couldn't see her own > bias when she 'swore' by the positive impact of these 'cures' based > on some pseudo-'science' examples comparing the effects of potato > skins on healing burns with no scars and no pain in 15 minutes. Of > course she wouldn't listen to the show's compare, Lindy Burns (no > pun, real name), who asked why scientific tests would be so wrong? Am I the only one here old enough to remember the Club of Rome? Of course, those weren't scientific tests, they were computer models. Like most of the "scientific" predictions of today. Alan > The caller was so exasperated! Of course not everything that is good > can be measured! > > I nearly peed myself! There's no debating illogic with some people > who truly 'believe'. (George Bush et al come to mind as well.) > > Jan > > > Jan Whitaker > JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria > jwhit at janwhitaker.com > business: http://www.janwhitaker.com > personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ > commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ > > 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, > there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 > _ __________________ _ > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 9 13:00:34 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:00:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EA8393C-42EF-4F3A-B9D2-133875EDA5D5@itrundle.com> On 09/01/2007, at 12:40 PM, Stewart Fist wrote: > Epidemiology is the science of looking at clusters of change in an > otherwise > unchanged baseline population. When the change effects everyone in > the > community, then epidemiology is virtually useless. Sorry for being a pedant here, but I believe that the correct word is 'affect', and it is beginning to bother me that a subject line AND comment can contain the same mistake... I am trying to effect a change here, though I might be affected by the effect, especially if I'm not very effective. Just don't get me started on affective impact... (my Psych days are long over) iT -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 9 13:21:34 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:21:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ii0ro$243c4q@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 12:40 PM 9/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >But that tells you nothing about giving low-doses to the rat over a two-year >life span unless you extend the program of research, and that will cost >about $2 million to get statistically significant numbers with rats. > >And even then you can't extrapolate to a 90 year human life-span. That was the problem with most long-term effects things we are seeing today. Asbestos was always 'sold' as good fire-retardent. I remember that when I was a kid. So it's no wonder it was used in buildings! Economic reasons, right? I don't need to mention tobacco which is obvious. Lead in paint is another, as is the mercury used in amalgam tooth fillings. How were the effects of these eventually discovered since they are obviously now known as problems over time? Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 9 13:22:43 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:22:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$243c4v@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 12:47 PM 9/01/2007, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > course she wouldn't listen to the show's compare, Lindy Burns (no > > pun, real name), who asked why scientific tests would be so wrong? > >Am I the only one here old enough to remember the Club of Rome? Of >course, those weren't scientific tests, they were computer models. Like >most of the "scientific" predictions of today. I remember them from the world of 'conspiracies', but not as it would relate to scientific analysis. >Taking first/second year Psychology at University has been a bit of an >eye-opener. They talk about the "human, heal thyself" rates in relation >to the placebo effect. The second year courses really seem to try and >drill into people that they're looking not only for statistically significant >effects but improved healing rates from the baseline self-healing rate. > >Sometimes I wish this kind of exposure to critical thinking was a requirement >at upper secondary schooling levels but I know how unrealistic that'd be. I was going to mention the concept of 'wait a awhile and it will get better' which fits colds and many other ailments. I reckon we could reduce our health costs by about 30% merely by pointing this out to new mothers. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From adrian at creative.net.au Tue Jan 9 13:39:22 2007 From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:39:22 +0800 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$243c4v@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> <5ii0ro$243c4v@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <20070109023922.GE20784@skywalker.creative.net.au> On Tue, Jan 09, 2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: (Where'd my attribution go?) > >Taking first/second year Psychology at University has been a bit of an > >eye-opener. They talk about the "human, heal thyself" rates in relation > >to the placebo effect. The second year courses really seem to try and > >drill into people that they're looking not only for statistically > >significant > >effects but improved healing rates from the baseline self-healing rate. > > > >Sometimes I wish this kind of exposure to critical thinking was a > >requirement > >at upper secondary schooling levels but I know how unrealistic that'd be. > > I was going to mention the concept of 'wait a awhile and it will get > better' which fits colds and many other ailments. I reckon we could > reduce our health costs by about 30% merely by pointing this out to > new mothers. You also have to ensure you're not -defeating- our natural healing abilities. Eg: research done into the effects of over-steralised environments on developing immune systems (anyone know the literature for this?) and perhaps the obesity stuff which is in the newspapers at the present. Adrian From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 9 14:08:10 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:08:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] EMF and Humans In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070109012956.01020048@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108021323.01c56f98@melbpc.org.au> <45A1762F.3070703@jcu.edu.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070109012956.01020048@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070109140640.03084588@wheresmymailserver.com> At 02:51 AM 9/01/2007, Stephen Loosley wrote: >At 09:37 AM 8/01/2007, Mike Shearer wrote: > > >> ps, with many examples of 'loving-empathy' human communications > >> especially, reportedly received telepathically though, I wouldn't be at > >> all surprised if, in extreme moments, we humans did have this ability. > > > > Unlikely, unless you are satisfied with a fuzzy so-broad-its-meaningless > > message, to which you attach your own meaning and then feel that there > > has been real communication. Again I point to the Global Consciousness Project and it's ten year study around the world of human energy emissions. Global Consciousness Project -- consciousness, group consciousness, mind >Yes well .. and between colleagues .. maybe one issue comes down to >expectations .. discuss ESP, and people expect all or nothing ... instant >3D movies. What has ESP got to do with 3D movies? >We *are* finding new extra-sensory neuron-communication >channels (eg, TAARs) Imho, the neurosciences ought look more at EMF. Of course! EMF is the measure of energy in movement :) From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 9 14:09:41 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:09:41 +1100 Subject: [LINK] NSW steers clear of Vista In-Reply-To: <45A29E05.1080707@lannet.com.au> References: <45A29E05.1080707@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070109140834.03084818@wheresmymailserver.com> No. More likely they didn't want to go through the sheer hell it is to upgrade thousands of workstations, take thousands of support calls and deal with hardware and other upgrades, just to install a $80 piece of software. I know I wouldn't. At 06:39 AM 9/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: > >Governments getting it right...??? > > >http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21024831%5E15306,00.html > >THE NSW government has shied away from Microsoft's new Windows Vista >operating systems after executives in charge of the state's $1 billion >computing budget agreed they saw little value in upgrading to the software. >[...] From eleanor at pacific.net.au Sat Jan 6 20:00:10 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:00:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SPAM to my link only address: Fwd: within my wrath of you. In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106185915.037f3bf0@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070106161800.03081d28@mail.ah.net> <459F47B7.1070104@lannet.com.au> <6.2.0.14.0.20070106185915.037f3bf0@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: <459F651A.5090705@pacific.net.au> Adam Todd wrote: > At 05:54 PM 6/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >> I hate to tell you but the Link archive is an open archive, one >> reason why I use: >> X-No-Archive: yes >> in my mail headers. > > Yes but most publishing software munges the addresses! > >> OK, my pearls of wisdom are not cast before swine, but neither is my >> email address. > > Oh it's OK, I'll just change the address :) > i have my real spam under control, but i am getting a mountain of redirected spam where some of my email addresses are being set as "Reply To" in the spam, so i get all the spamfilters sending it to me i don't quite understand some of the spam, it can't really be targeted or i wouldn't get: * foreign medications, kinda pointless since our PBS makes them cheaper than the spammers' goods * offers of govt finance that only americans can apply for * Viagra & penis enlargement (guys, figure out why i ain't interested, please) and many more, equally pointless. why can't they offer me something i would buy, like a new camera, or some nice shoes with 3" heels, or a date with James Bond? it's the lack of imagination that offends. -- ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 9 14:36:30 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:36:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity Message-ID: Ivan pendants: > I believe that the correct word is 'affect', and it is beginning to bother me > that a subject line AND comment can contain the same mistake... Dead right Ivan. Spelling never was my fourtay. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 9 15:05:09 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:05:09 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41595EE5-7D24-4314-A8FA-9FA372D6DFEA@itrundle.com> On 09/01/2007, at 2:36 PM, Stewart Fist wrote: > Ivan pendants: > >> I believe that the correct word is 'affect', and it is beginning >> to bother me >> that a subject line AND comment can contain the same mistake... > > Dead right Ivan. Spelling never was my fourtay. Dead write indeed. You righters and journey lists aural the same - expecting us editors to pick up the peace is. iT From planetjim at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 15:36:57 2007 From: planetjim at gmail.com (jim birch) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:36:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$243c4v@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> <5ii0ro$243c4v@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <39e534e70701082036y47cf8551q2dfdb0c28464341e@mail.gmail.com> On 09/01/07, Jan Whitaker wrote: > > > I was going to mention the concept of 'wait a awhile and it will get > better' which fits colds and many other ailments. I reckon we could > reduce our health costs by about 30% merely by pointing this out to > new mothers. Similarly, it is demonstrable that singing the national anthem out load each day before breakfast cures colds, and generally within only a week or two. For anyone interested in this stuff (like me), I strongly recommend a book I recently read on and around this subject: Six impossible things before breakfast, by Lewis Wolpert. It's an inquiry into the nature of belief, but unlike the array of philosophical enquiries (eg Popper) it takes a biological perspective, looking at what the evolutionary basis might be for developing a brain capable of belief, and what the limitations of the system might be. Along the way, he looks at what animals can and cannot do, what people can and can't do, and brings in lots of other interesting stuff, like the tool making capacities of ravens. His take: once we developed a belief system that's always switched on, it became intolerable to not have reasons for important life events, like droughts, disease, death, etc, so we began producing explanations by any available means. We're reasonably good on the simple, like figuring that clubbing an antelope produces food, but producing reliable beliefs on difficult problems like weather patterns and disease requires us to relinquish simple belief producing methods and resort to slow counterintuitive processes like the scientific method, statistics, and complex reasoned analysis. He argues that no one can do this all the time, we are - for "good" biological reasons - just too prone to grabbing beliefs by any available method, so the best we can hope for is to require that where important aspects of other people's lives are dependent on our beliefs we should be required to use methods that produce reliable beliefs. That's my nutshell, but if you're interested, borrow or buy the book; I enjoyed it and it made me think and reevaluate. For me, it's a great insight into why certain types of disagreement like political arguments can persist seemingly without limit, basically, they are in the unreliable zone! Cheers Jim From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Jan 9 16:53:07 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:53:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <45A32DC3.5090403@praxis.com.au> Jan Whitaker wrote: > I nearly peed myself! There's no debating illogic with some people who > truly 'believe'. (George Bush et al come to mind as well.) You begin to touch on many of the points raised by Richard Dawkins on ABC/RN just before Xmas, promoting his new book "The God Deception". http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost-certainl_b_32164.html?p=24 contains some of his thinking in blog format. Basically, the WORLD is suffering pretty bad due to religion and irrational belief systems that affect all areas of human endeavour from politics to sex. Hey ... sounds like a dinner party conversation! Anway, getting off topic now. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances. -- Department of Social Services, Greenville, South Carolina From josh at email.nu Tue Jan 9 16:53:56 2007 From: josh at email.nu (Josh Rowe) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:53:56 +1100 Subject: [LINK] DCITA Review - submissions posted Message-ID: <20070109055356.GB13541@whim.sanctum.com.au> The submissions to the DCITA "Review of the structure and operation of the .au Internet domain" have been posted here: http://www.dcita.gov.au/communications_and_technology/consultation_and_submissions/review_of_the_structure_and_operation_of_the_.au_internet_domain http://shorterlink.com/?7924AT Josh -- http://josh.id.au/ From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Tue Jan 9 17:15:00 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:15:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] AJAX May Be Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <20070108123803.tuxhlicytkd4c84o@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070108114926.rqv6ey31knoc4gs4@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <20070108123803.tuxhlicytkd4c84o@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <583D6C0F-9030-4B27-AFE0-41741F6A5355@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 08/01/2007, at 2:38 PM, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > Computers have the unfortunate ability to magnify weaknesses. Very true. I draw very badly. Completely lacking in any artistic sense. However with the aid of a good drawing program I can do very bad drawings much more quickly. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From kim.holburn at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 19:11:39 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:11:39 +0100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <45A32DC3.5090403@praxis.com.au> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <45A32DC3.5090403@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <4D9DFC16-F9DC-45DC-B56F-D25E5FF3F88A@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/09, at 6:53 AM, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Jan Whitaker wrote: > >> I nearly peed myself! There's no debating illogic with some people >> who truly 'believe'. (George Bush et al come to mind as well.) > > You begin to touch on many of the points raised by Richard Dawkins on > ABC/RN just before Xmas, promoting his new book "The God Deception". > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost- > certainl_b_32164.html?p=24 > > contains some of his thinking in blog format. Basically, the WORLD > is suffering > pretty bad due to religion and irrational belief systems that > affect all > areas of human endeavour from politics to sex. Hey ... sounds like > a dinner > party conversation! > > Anway, getting off topic now. Just to be really OT there was an article about Dawkin's book in NewScientist a couple of months back. He was saying that religion has been responsible for more killings than any other cause. The writer of the article pointed out that the four or so "regimes" of the twentieth century that have been responsible for the most and the most systemic and state orchestrated killings have all been secular states: Germany under Hitler, Cambodia under Pol Pot, Russia under Stalin and China under Mao. Perhaps religion has an ameliorating effect on human violence. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From liddy at sunriseresearch.org Tue Jan 9 19:31:02 2007 From: liddy at sunriseresearch.org (Liddy Nevile) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:31:02 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> Message-ID: <27C20379-248C-4474-BD06-4D3B534BF4DB@sunriseresearch.org> Will you report on the event for those of us who can't make it, please? Liddy On 08/01/2007, at 4:40 PM, Tom Worthington wrote: > > Recommended: > >> Seventh Canberra WSG meeting >> >> When: Thursday 18 January >> Time: 2.30 pm - 4.45 pm (please arrive by 2.15 pm to register with >> security, even earlier if you need to find a car park) >> >> Where: Bunker Theatre, Department of the Environment and Heritage, >> John Gorton Building, King Edward Tce, Parkes, ACT 2600 >> >> Cost: Free >> RSVP: gavin.dispain at deh.gov.au (very important to speed up the >> sign in process) >> >> First speaker: Alexi Paschalidis, Oxide Interactive Topic 1: Navy >> web site redevelopment ... >> >> Second speaker: Gavin Dispain, Department of the Environment and >> Heritage >> Topic 2: 2006 web standards audit of Australian Government home pages >> During December 2006, the home pages of 105 Australian Government >> web sites were audited for compliance with W3C, WAI and Australian >> Government best practice web standards. Gavin will present the >> findings of the audit. >> >> Web sites that were audited: aad, abs, accc, accesscard, afma, >> afp, ag, agimo, ags, ahc, aic, amsa, anao, anbg, aph, apsc, apvma, >> army, asada, asic, asio, ato, ausport, australia, >> australianapprenticeships, awm, bom, casa, centrelink, chah, >> citizenship, coag, community, communitywatergrants, connected, >> connectedwater, crimecommission, crimtrac, cultureandrecreation, >> customs, daff, dcita, defence, deh, dest, dewr, dfat, dha, >> directory, dotars, dpmc, dsd, dva, environment, ephc, e- >> strategyguide, facs, finance, ga, gbrmpa, gcu, gov, greenhouse, >> greenvehicleguide, harbourtrust, health, heritage, hreoc, >> humanservices, immi, industry, ipaustralia, jobsearch, lebmf, lwa, >> mdbc, medicareaustralia, mincos, movingintowork, naa, napswq, >> nathers, nationalcapital, navy, nht, nla, npi, nrm, nsif, nwc, >> oilrecycling, oipc, orer, ozco, peo, pm, privacy, publications, >> smos, tenders, tga, travelsmart, treasury, waterrating, wea >> >> Third speaker: Karl Hayes, Hitwise Topic 3: Best practice tactics >> for government web sites ... >> ... www.webstandardsgroup.org ... > > ps: Make sure you book and turn up on time. You can't wander in off > the street, as the meeting is held in the "bunker theatre" UNDER > the Department of Environment gallery.shtml#jgb>. > > > > Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 > Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 > PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ > Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From kauer at biplane.com.au Tue Jan 9 19:34:27 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:34:27 +1100 Subject: OFFTOPIC: Religion (was Re: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity) In-Reply-To: <4D9DFC16-F9DC-45DC-B56F-D25E5FF3F88A@gmail.com> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <45A32DC3.5090403@praxis.com.au> <4D9DFC16-F9DC-45DC-B56F-D25E5FF3F88A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168331668.29573.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 09:11 +0100, Kim Holburn wrote: > Just to be really OT there was an article about Dawkin's book in > NewScientist a couple of months back. He was saying that religion > has been responsible for more killings than any other cause. The > writer of the article pointed out that the four or so "regimes" of > the twentieth century that have been responsible for the most and the > most systemic and state orchestrated killings have all been secular > states: Germany under Hitler, Cambodia under Pol Pot, Russia under > Stalin and China under Mao. Perhaps religion has an ameliorating > effect on human violence. Hitler was at least nominally Christian and legendarily antisemitic - hardly a secular attitude. Not to mention "Gott mit uns!". Stalin and Mao both targeted religions explicitly and violently. All three certainly used religious hatred to their own ends. Hitler and Mao directed religious behaviour towards themselves, with a great deal of success. Pol Pot I don't know enough about. The idea that religion has an ameliorating effect on human violence is absolutely laughable. One glance at the middle east, one second's consideration of the Inquisition, Yugoslavia, Ireland, the Crusades, apartheid, Texas or even our very own refugee prisons should dispel any lingering doubts. The odd placid Tibetan monk or eccentric English vicar do not make up for the megalitres of blood spilled in the name of God. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From grove at zeta.org.au Tue Jan 9 21:00:55 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:00:55 +1100 (EST) Subject: OFFTOPIC: Religion (was Re: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity) In-Reply-To: <1168331668.29573.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <45A32DC3.5090403@praxis.com.au> <4D9DFC16-F9DC-45DC-B56F-D25E5FF3F88A@gmail.com> <1168331668.29573.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Karl Auer wrote: > > Hitler was at least nominally Christian and legendarily antisemitic - I thought Hitler considered Christianity "impure" because Jesus was Jewish in origin? It also explains the Muslim death squads he supported in the partisan wars in Croatia and so on. He definitely took over Christian feasts but there was a lot more paganism and spiritism in his ideology than there was Christianity, but maybe I am misinformed? rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Jan 9 21:22:59 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:22:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? Message-ID: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> We've all heard of spam emails offer some sort of job scam. What do Linkers think the scam is here? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:04:38 +0900 From: Esteban Borges To: rick at praxis.com.au Subject: Part time job offer Hello, My name is Esteban Borges and our company has a job offer for you. Our company is a worldwide reseller of various technologies, and we need a person to accept online payments from our Australian customers and then forward the cash to Germany, Russia and Spain via Western Union or MoneyGram. We offer you 5% of each transfer to your account. The average total of payments is $2000-$4000 AUD, so you can earn around $100-$250 AUD a day. All operations take not more than 2 hours. Initially for a test period we provide 2-3 payments per week, and then you can open one or more accounts in other banks and earn $450-$750 AUD per day. I understand your concerns regarding your personal bank account, although at any time you can open an account specifically for these transactions. All negotiations must be via email. All instructions will be sent through email. If you're interested in this Job please contact our managers through the contacts below: e-mail: esteban.borges at hotmail.com Best Regards, Esteban Borges. From stil at stilgherrian.com Tue Jan 9 21:35:39 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:35:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: On 9/1/07 9:22 PM, "Rick Welykochy" wrote: > We've all heard of spam emails offer some sort of job scam. > What do Linkers think the scam is here? Money laundering from other scams, is my guess. Run a few tens of thousands thru the punters' accounts before you move on. Scatter these little payments through a network of hundreds or thousands of these, and hope the pattern doesn't show up on TRAC. Or this part... > Initially for a test period we provide 2-3 payments per week, and then > you can open one or more accounts in other banks and earn $450-$750 AUD per > day. ... could be the trust-builder before a bigger sting to come later. Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Tue Jan 9 21:46:38 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:46:38 +1100 Subject: OFFTOPIC: Religion (was Re: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity) In-Reply-To: References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <45A32DC3.5090403@praxis.com.au> <4D9DFC16-F9DC-45DC-B56F-D25E5FF3F88A@gmail.com> <1168331668.29573.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: >On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Karl Auer wrote: >> Hitler was at least nominally Christian and legendarily antisemitic - Good ol' Google begets: http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html Nope, I haven't checked the pedigree or reasonableness of any of the above. Just call me an average web-user - 'it *must* be true' -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 9 22:52:51 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:52:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> References: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$249qpk@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 09:22 PM 9/01/2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: >We've all heard of spam emails offer some sort of job scam. >What do Linkers think the scam is here? >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I get these all the time. In fact this scam was the one that sent me on the wild goose chase through ACMA, AFP, and a few other acronyms to report it as money laundering. No one wanted to know about it. I did eventually get someone who responded with the name of this particular scam, but they still didn't want to know about it. I gave up and just hit the delete key. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 9 23:23:51 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:23:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> References: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070109231954.031d6a08@wheresmymailserver.com> Oh this one is easy! Money Laundering! You get deposits into your bank account in small numbers that fall below the global $10,000 limit that requires auditing. No one really cares about $2000 here or there, especially when it's random cash deposits, wire transfers or Western Unions. You withdrawal the money in your currency and then deposit the money into another bank account which is then withdrawn by another person similar to yourself, and so it goes three or four times till the last person in the short chain is the final recpient, generally in a foreign country. The whole reason for "opening other bank accounts with other banks" is to further dilute the thread, get you sucked into loving the fact that $250 a day now becomes four bank accounts of $1000 a day and voila! You are a Money Launderer. Sadly you are not protected by law if you are caught in the thread when it is uncovered. There have been some people in Australia who have built this up to 15 bank accounts in various names (Mum, Dad, Child, Cousin etc) moving cash around daily for several months, then they get caught and sadly you are guilty of an offence, even though you know nothing about it. Jail sentences have been handed down - WITHOUT BAIL prior to hearing. I need say no more. At 09:22 PM 9/01/2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: >We've all heard of spam emails offer some sort of job scam. >What do Linkers think the scam is here? >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:04:38 +0900 >From: Esteban Borges >To: rick at praxis.com.au >Subject: Part time job offer > >Hello, >My name is Esteban Borges and our company has a job offer for you. Our >company is a worldwide reseller of various technologies, and we need a >person to >accept online payments from our Australian customers and then forward the cash >to Germany, Russia and Spain via Western Union or MoneyGram. We offer you >5% of >each transfer to your account. The average total of payments is >$2000-$4000 AUD, >so you can earn around $100-$250 AUD a day. All operations take not more >than 2 >hours. Initially for a test period we provide 2-3 payments per week, and then >you can open one or more accounts in other banks and earn $450-$750 AUD >per day. >I understand your concerns regarding your personal bank account, although >at any >time you can open an account specifically for these transactions. All >negotiations must be via email. All instructions will be sent through >email. If you're interested in this Job please contact our managers >through the >contacts below: > >e-mail: esteban.borges at hotmail.com > >Best Regards, >Esteban Borges. > >_______________________________________________ >Link mailing list >Link at mailman.anu.edu.au >http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From stephen at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 10 00:53:38 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:53:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] www.curriki.org Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110003800.01bc1540@melbpc.org.au> 'Curriki.org is an online environment created to support the development and free distribution of world-class educational materials to anyone who needs them. Please join us. Our name is a play on the combination of 'curriculum' and 'wiki' which is the technology we're using to make education universally accessible. Curriki is a free community of educators, learners and committed education experts who are working together to create quality materials that will benefit teachers and students around the world. Curriki is the result of an online project started by Sun Microsystems to develop works for education in a collaborative effort.' News: December 14, 2006 "Curriki.org made its debut January 2006, and has been growing fast. Some 450 courses are in the works, and about 3,000 people have joined as members. McNealy reports that a teenager in Kuwait has already completed the introductory physics and calculus classes in 18 days." -- Cheers, people Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release Date: 7/01/2007 6:29 PM From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 10 08:47:27 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:47:27 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam In-Reply-To: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> References: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070109214727.GO26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 06:41:34AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > > I commented the other day about governments having to get more involved > in fighting spam. It looks like I am not the only one with that thought. > i don't have any objection to better anti-spam laws, but i also don't think they'll do much (if any) good - although it was nice to see the perth spammers get some of what they deserve last year. spammers are breaking many existing laws - some of them with far higher penalties than any anti-spam penalties. most of the things advertised by spam are already illegal (e.g. pump and dump stock scams, nigerian "419" scams), or advertised/sold in a way prohibited by regulations (e.g. pill spams). if the governments of the world wanted to go after spammers, they've already got the laws to do so. porn spam could be targetted on the basis that it's impossible for spammers to restrict their spam to adults (18+ or 21+ depending on jurisdiction) so they are distributing pornography to children. and the bulk of spam comes via spamware viruses which are in themselves illegal. about the only common spam that isn't for an illegal product or service are mortgage spams, and they're fairly easy to block. so yeah, good anti-spam laws would be an OK thing....but laws are never going to replace the need for good anti-spam filters. > http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36823 > > [...] > CTO of SoftScan Diego d'Ambra said in a press release that "if spam > distribution levels continue to rise at the rate we have seen over the > last few months, then I believe that by the end of 2007 governments > worldwide will be obliged to enforce international anti-spam laws." why? spam is already causing massive problems to the email infrastructure around the world, and governments are doing little or nothing. why should they suddenly decide to do something? wishful thinking. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 10 08:52:53 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:52:53 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> References: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070109215253.GP26390@taz.net.au> On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 09:22:59PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > We've all heard of spam emails offer some sort of job scam. > What do Linkers think the scam is here? > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . money laundering from phishing attacks. they gather bank/paypal/etc login details with their phishes and need an account to transfer the money to. so they find some sucker to accept the money into their account, keep a percentage, and forward it on to them, either through a chain of other suckers' accounts or via an anonymous wire transfer type service. the sucker will inevitably get caught (because the transaction trail leads directly to their account), probably within days or weeks of the first transaction. most of them probably have some idea of the true nature of the "job", but some of them are just gullible. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From brd at iimetro.com.au Wed Jan 10 09:02:32 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:02:32 +0900 Subject: [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros Message-ID: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> There must be a suspicion that the co-operation could have been a two way street. With DRM and security issues being raised, and large companies questioning the value of upgrading to Vista, what's the future for this software? I guess it depends if there is a compeling case to install Vista so that some other feature can be enabled. eg new versions of other software, new hardware that only works with Vista. And then there is the biggie - no support for older versions of Windows. For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros By Alec Klein and Ellen Nakashima Washington Post Staff Writers Tuesday, January 9, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010801352.html When Microsoft introduces its long-awaited Windows Vista operating system this month, it will have an unlikely partner to thank for making its flagship product safe and secure for millions of computer users across the world: the National Security Agency. For the first time, the giant software maker is acknowledging the help of the secretive agency, better known for eavesdropping on foreign officials and, more recently, U.S. citizens as part of the Bush administration's effort to combat terrorism. The agency said it has helped in the development of the security of Microsoft's new operating system -- the brains of a computer -- to protect it from worms, Trojan horses and other insidious computer attackers. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From rw at firstpr.com.au Wed Jan 10 09:03:06 2007 From: rw at firstpr.com.au (Robin Whittle) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:03:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Spam again In-Reply-To: <45A3EAAC.1070701@lannet.com.au> References: <45A3EAAC.1070701@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A4111A.50305@firstpr.com.au> It is probably unrelated, but since yesterday afternoon I got about 15,000 "backscatter" emails - probably 200 Megabytes - from a Netspace.net.au mail server and one in France, dutifully reporting that a message I supposedly sent was addressed to a non-existent account. It was a NAB phishing email. Some other backscatter messages contained the whole thing, and it was sent from a user's machine in France. I also got a few unpleasant emails from disgruntled recipients. It would probably be possible to block the main two sources of backscatter with Postfix header checks, but instead a set up a filter in my Maildrop mailfilter file, and dumped the lot in a mailbox. - Robin From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 10 09:08:55 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:08:55 +1100 Subject: OFFTOPIC: Religion (was Re: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity) In-Reply-To: References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <45A32DC3.5090403@praxis.com.au> <4D9DFC16-F9DC-45DC-B56F-D25E5FF3F88A@gmail.com> <1168331668.29573.130.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20070109220855.GQ26390@taz.net.au> On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 09:00:55PM +1100, grove at zeta.org.au wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Karl Auer wrote: > > >Hitler was at least nominally Christian and legendarily antisemitic - > > I thought Hitler considered Christianity "impure" because Jesus > was Jewish in origin? and where did his anti-semitism come from? christian anti-semitism has a long history in europe, especially in germany. Jews have been (and still are) accused of all the usual crimes (baby killers/eaters, witchcraft, theft, etc) that transient or ethnic minority groups (incl. heretics, gypsies, and others) are always accused of plus the extra crime that they as an entire race/culture were the killers of Christ. the fact that Jesus himself was a Jew (and that his teachings were ONLY for other Jews - it was Paul, not Jesus, who spread it to gentiles) is usually glossed over and ignored by christian anti-semites...an unfortunate and inconvenient truth > He definitely took over Christian feasts but there was a lot more > paganism and spiritism in his ideology than there was Christianity, > but maybe I am misinformed? christians, and especially catholics, have been trying to disown hitler and distance themselves from him since the 40s. he's an embarassment, so they like to blame him on atheists or pagans. he was definitely a christian, and a catholic. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au Wed Jan 10 09:33:04 2007 From: Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au (Pilcher, Fred) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:33:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam In-Reply-To: <20070109214727.GO26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B7FC1@cal066.act.gov.au> What's always puzzled me is that all these spams lead back, ultimately, to someone selling something. Where law enforcement agencies bother to act at all, they tend to go after the monkey, not the organ grinder. Surely it would be comparitively trivial to track down and prosecute the people selling the products - the people who are paying the spammer to spam? Sticking a few of them behind bars would seem to be potentially easier and more effective than chasing the spammers, an activity that's been demonstrably ineffective. Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 10 09:45:05 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:45:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam In-Reply-To: <45A415E6.5040605@lannet.com.au> References: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> <20070109214727.GO26390@taz.net.au> <45A415E6.5040605@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070109224505.GR26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:23:34AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 06:41:34AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > >>http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36823 > >> > >>[...] > >>CTO of SoftScan Diego d'Ambra said in a press release that "if spam > >>distribution levels continue to rise at the rate we have seen over the > >>last few months, then I believe that by the end of 2007 governments > >>worldwide will be obliged to enforce international anti-spam laws." > > > >why? spam is already causing massive problems to the email infrastructure > >around the world, and governments are doing little or nothing. why should > >they suddenly decide to do something? wishful thinking. > > Because soon they are going to wake up to the fact that it is also > inconveniencing them and not just the unwashed masses. but it doesn't inconvenience them. it incoveniences their staffers....and they must have been ignoring their complaints about the spam they have to wade through for years. also, governments are pretty much all infected by the meme that ANY economic activity is good economic activity, and spam results in economic activity. while they can't actively support it, they can and will ignore it. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 10 09:28:32 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:28:32 +1100 Subject: [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros In-Reply-To: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45A41710.80703@ramin.com.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > > There must be a suspicion that the co-operation could have been a two way > street. > > With DRM and security issues being raised, and large companies questioning the > value of upgrading to Vista, what's the future for this software? > > I guess it depends if there is a compeling case to install Vista so that some > other feature can be enabled. eg new versions of other software, new hardware > that only works with Vista. And then there is the biggie - no support for older > versions of Windows. > > Is it the licensing cost or the reliability cost that has people balking at a Windows desktop? Does anyone know the state of play with web servers? for my part, I switched to Linux, because I couldn't be bothered dealing with viruses. and have always insisted on Apache. The free software is a bonus and open source is reassuring. Also, can anyone pinpoint why I can't view this page (in Mozilla 1.4 - ok, I said I was planning to upgrade...but haven't quite got there yet) I accessed the info including the PDF report by viewing the source :-( It makes interesting reading given our discussion about the domain name stuff in December, m > > For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pro > By Alec Klein and Ellen Nakashima > Washington Post Staff Writers > Tuesday, January 9, 2007 > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/08/AR2007010801352.html -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 10 09:52:18 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:52:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros In-Reply-To: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <673EF28F-A9BD-45E9-9A51-66D1585E183D@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 10/01/2007, at 9:02 AM, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > The agency said it has helped in the development of the security of > Microsoft's new operating system -- the brains of a computer -- to > protect it > from worms, Trojan horses and other insidious computer attackers. Why does this make me feel that there is more to it than that? NSA reviews the code of Vista in conjunction with Microsoft and can anybody sense a backdoor? Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Jan 10 09:54:28 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:54:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam In-Reply-To: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> References: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A41D24.2040007@praxis.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > SoftScan also announced the top five virus families for December, > phishing being top dog at 69%, followed by tibs at 12.89% netsky at > 4.00% stration at 3.05% and bagle at 2.56%. Phishing is not a virus and should not be allowed into that family. WTH are tibs, netsky, stration and bagle? -rw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? -- Richard Dawkins From brd at iimetro.com.au Wed Jan 10 10:00:11 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:00:11 +0900 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming Message-ID: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> One of the features/problems with Windows is that it has set out to be all things to everyone. The new security and DRM features of Vista are starting to reduce the ubiquitous nature of an OS that is actually not an OS, but a mishmash of OS and applications. Vista could well be the tipping point for the OS world causing fragmentation. If the interfaces and general behaviours of future OS and apps stay similar to that of Windows, then the only true benefit of Windows might be maintained. IMHO Linux is an OS, Windows can never be. Windows was a marketing tool which has reached its natural end of life. Opinion: 'Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming' January 9, 2007 Gamasutra http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=12314 Will new features in Windows Vista have a chilling effect on indie PC game development? In this exclusive Gamasutra opinion piece, WildTangent founder and CEO Alex St. John highlights obstructive security controls embedded in Vista that threaten to do just that. .... -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 10 10:04:30 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:04:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam In-Reply-To: <45A41C5B.3080205@lannet.com.au> References: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> <20070109214727.GO26390@taz.net.au> <45A415E6.5040605@lannet.com.au> <20070109224505.GR26390@taz.net.au> <45A41C5B.3080205@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070109230430.GS26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:51:07AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > > also, governments are pretty much all infected by the meme that ANY > > economic activity is good economic activity, and spam results in > > economic activity. while they can't actively support it, they can and > > will ignore it. > > Do you mean that it's good for the economy for me to go around knocking > old ladies on the head and pinching their bank books then cleaning out > the accounts and spending up big time... yep. you'd be doing a service to the nation. pretty small scale, though. you'd get a lot more appreciation if you plundered the few remaining forests and/or spewed out megatons of greenhouse gases. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 10 10:29:43 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:29:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > IMHO Linux is an OS, Windows can never be. Windows was a marketing tool which > has reached its natural end of life. BRD, IMHO your conclusion is correct but not your assessment of Windows. We should acknowledge the contribution of MSDOS, MSWindows/Office and the IBM PC in the history books - I was there too. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 10 10:33:42 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:33:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros In-Reply-To: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$24g2fs@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 09:02 AM 10/01/2007, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: >When Microsoft introduces its long-awaited Windows Vista operating system this >month, it will have an unlikely partner to thank for making its flagship >product safe and secure for millions of computer users across the world: the >National Security Agency. I'm not sure I feel better about this at all! Backdoors anyone? Given the Diebold fiasco in the US, I don't think I want to trust anything that has had the current US govt involved. I know, I know, it's already doing it in all other kinds of ways that aren't acknowledged, but it doesn't make it any better to be told about it! Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 10 10:52:00 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:52:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity Message-ID: Karl writes re placebo: > if they believe it will help them then it very likely WILL help them, even if > only by improving their perceived well-being. I dont' disagree at all. But I think one of the most common misconceptions about the use of a placebo (and the patient is not supposed to know that it is only a placebo) is that the patient's feeling of well-being actually contributes to the healing process. This is dubious in my opinion; it might effect/affect (Ivan??) the mood, but I doubt it affects/effects the body. The body heals by itself, with or without placebos -- and with or without feelings of well-being. It even heals in a coma. There's no evidence that the bones of a depressive take longer to mend than the bones of an eternal optimist. If there were, hospitals would load their patients up with a good high dose of morphine or opium to enlist euphoria and hasten the healing process. An extension of this "feeling of well-being" idea is the firmly-held-belief in the general community that the bravery of certain people helps them cure themselves of supposedly incurable diseases. TV Current-affairs shows love to use the term 'hero' about kids who survive cancer and they almost always attribute the survival to the mental state of the kid. This is never discussed truthfully in the media, because its not a characterisation that anyone can vocally object to without looking like a complete bastard. However consider its corollary, which presumably is that those who die, do so because of cowardice or lack-of-willpower in facing and fighting their disease. I often wonder how the families of those who die think about this implied characterisation of their loved ones. Karl's condemnation of people who "exploit the credulous" however, seems to under-rate this as a problem. It is a multi-billion dollar problem in Australia, and a multi-trillion dollar problem around the world. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From brd at iimetro.com.au Wed Jan 10 10:57:46 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:57:46 +0900 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070110085746.20s3fab0orw44ckk@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Quoting Marghanita da Cruz : > brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > >> IMHO Linux is an OS, Windows can never be. Windows was a marketing >> tool which >> has reached its natural end of life. > > BRD, > > IMHO your conclusion is correct but not your assessment of Windows. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that Windows is an OS? > We should acknowledge the contribution of MSDOS, MSWindows/Office and > the IBM PC in the history books - I was there too. MSDOS was never an operating system it was a program loader. Microsoft has never developed or even bought/stolen/adapted an Operating System in its life. It has always developed and marketed software with the express intention of eliminating its opposition. There are so many aspects of MS software that is just really bad Computer Science it is amazing that it has been so successful. The fact that Mr Gates is seen as a "computer whiz" rather than a very astute business man speakes volumes about other business people, politicians and the media. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 10 10:59:14 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:59:14 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A42C52.3050005@ramin.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: >> >> >>> IMHO Linux is an OS, Windows can never be. Windows was a marketing >>> tool which >>> has reached its natural end of life. >> >> >> BRD, >> >> IMHO your conclusion is correct but not your assessment of Windows. >> We should acknowledge the contribution > > > "contribution" - do you mean as in viruses, spam, etc...? viruses/spam came much later....I was referring to the contribution to "end user" computing - usability/word processing/spreadsheets in particular. Personally, I preferred a line editor and lotus 123. Not to mention those who still believe CPM was a better operating system. We could have a debate about Unix and proprietary operating systems also. Unix has been around for a long time, I think the aspect of Linux we need to understand is open source and the Web/Internet is open standards/interoperability. -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 10 11:08:24 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:08:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <200701091356.l09DuXiw016285@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Re Off Topic Why is Hitler's Germany being included in these lists as a "secular state". To my knowledge, most of those in the top Nazi hierarchy were Christians, and Hitler certainly was an Austrian Catholic. He was no more 'lapsed' than was Churchill or Roosevelt. Moreover Stalin was the product of many years in a seminary. And why does the Jesuit dictum of "Give me a child until he is 7, and I'll show you the man" not extend to Hitler and Stalin? And why do we only select the 20th Century? Could I suggest that for 1900 years before that, most of the massacres were caused by Christians, Muslims, Mongols (who were often Buddhist/Nestorian Christians or Muslims) ... and before that (as recorded in the Old Testament) they were Jewish, or Roman Pagan, etc. etc. I think you'll generally find that massacres are roughly proportional to religiousity -- and I include political-religiousity in my definition, just to make my conclusions completely indisputable. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 10 11:08:07 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:08:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ii0ro$24ggml@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 10:52 AM 10/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >This is dubious in my opinion; it might effect/affect (Ivan??) the mood, but >I doubt it affects/effects the body. > >The body heals by itself, with or without placebos -- and with or without >feelings of well-being. It even heals in a coma. (to affect - verb; effect - noun) moving right along: good points, Stewart, but is there any conclusive research either way? Is this possibly one of those threshold issues that we were discussing about re radiation levels? There are studies about the effects (note: noun :-) ) of endorphins to increase healing ( or did I make that up? can't recall). The body can heal itself if it's not deteriorated too much (think pneumonia) or if it has the defense mechanisms still in place (think Immune Deficiency syndromes). Nothing much is going to heal the body unless there are external manipulations. Even broken bones will heal, but may heal wrongly if not seen to. Of course mental state won't do much unless it's the intent to seek out someone to do the healing/fixing. Logically, I would think people with depression may not have the right mind set. And those who are keen on life will. There was a discussion this morning on ABC about PTSD and how those who have it (coming back from Afghanistan/Iraq) are having to fight the DVA all over again for compensation, even though they have been diagnosed by two separate independent hospitals, one a repatriation hospital in Perth. These guys are in no state to fight the bureaucrats. Bilson tried to squirm out of it, but didn't convince me. Now I am spinning out a bit far.... bye Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Jan 10 11:31:07 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:31:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros In-Reply-To: <45A41710.80703@ramin.com.au> References: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A41710.80703@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <45A433CB.4000300@praxis.com.au> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Also, can anyone pinpoint why I can't view this page (in Mozilla 1.4 - > ok, I said I was planning to upgrade...but haven't quite got there yet) > Very hard to say why without having that version of the browser. The page displays fine in Mozilla 1.7.13 on a Mac OS X system. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? -- Richard Dawkins From eleanor at pacific.net.au Wed Jan 10 11:32:16 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:32:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Will governments grasp the nettle on spam In-Reply-To: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> References: <45A3EFEE.7090300@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A43410.7060806@pacific.net.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > I commented the other day about governments having to get more > involved in fighting spam. It looks like I am not the only one with > that thought. > > > http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36823 > > [...] > As just about every security company will be saying, more effort will > be needed to tackle the spam problem this year if the rising spam > trend continues. For example, the lowest spam level in December - a > big month for spam - was massively high at 84.95%. > > CTO of SoftScan Diego d'Ambra said in a press release that "if spam > distribution levels continue to rise at the rate we have seen over the > last few months, then I believe that by the end of 2007 governments > worldwide will be obliged to enforce international anti-spam laws." > > SoftScan also announced the top five virus families for December, > phishing being top dog at 69%, followed by tibs at 12.89% netsky at > 4.00% stration at 3.05% and bagle at 2.56%. > i believe that spam is very welcome to the corporate software providers, as it will generate the following scenario: - spam becomes so prevalent that email becomes hard to use - a new email protocol is devised, not because it is more secure, but because it requires that the source is registered in a corporate database or be considered malformed by the email handler and discarded - this gives the corporates a revenue stream registering email sources, and a further per-message charge per customer - the days of free and open communications are over, the mechanisms of social control are firmly in place, and making money - John & Jane don't care if they pay $10 a month for email, they see it like paying postage for letters - many obvious spammers go to jail, except for ones based in countries that don't care, or are using relays - a new version of the protocol with digital signatures is put up, which costs even more for the poor bloody customer - the new spammers are the corporates, who flood us with targeted spam, just as bad as before, only the poor bloody customer is paying an arm or a leg to be spammed - it isn't called spam anymore, that's evil interference with your rights; this is multi-level marketing, from reputable firms! hoo-bloody-ray. (feeling savage today, just cleaned out my in-box) grrrrrrrrrr, EL ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Jan 10 11:40:06 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:40:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A435E6.7000204@praxis.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> IMHO your conclusion is correct but not your assessment of Windows. >> We should acknowledge the contribution > > > "contribution" - do you mean as in viruses, spam, etc...? Howard is right. Microsoft has contributed zero in the advancement of computing science and IT innovation. They have actually set the bar and expectations of how computers should perform so low that their software can be considered "toy". If you do the research you will find that practically anything of usefullness that Microsoft sells has been either ripped off (Lotus 1-2-3 ==> Excel), adapted (GUI as but one example) or assimilated Borg-style (Mosaic ==> IE). Need some concrete examples of their failure to innovate? Microsoft was on the web way later than many other technology companies, around 1996 IIRC. Their TCP/IP stack had to be imported from BSD. Their IIS web server came arrived way after Apache. Their browser came in years after Netscape had established firm market position. IE introduced "tabbed browsing" just a few months ago, years after Mozilla and Safari. The only thing Microsoft has really contributed to is the reinforcement of the notion that combines and anti-trust legislation is a toothless tiger and the real message in our capitalist system is to rape, pillage and plunder as many markets and competitors to "win the game". And don't even get me started on the Dr-DOS fiasco. Cynic, moi? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? -- Richard Dawkins From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 10 11:38:51 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:38:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <20070110085746.20s3fab0orw44ckk@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <20070110085746.20s3fab0orw44ckk@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45A4359B.2020601@ramin.com.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > Quoting Marghanita da Cruz : > >> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: >> >> >>> IMHO Linux is an OS, Windows can never be. Windows was a marketing >>> tool which >>> has reached its natural end of life. >> >> >> BRD, >> >> IMHO your conclusion is correct but not your assessment of Windows. > > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that > Windows is an OS? > >> We should acknowledge the contribution of MSDOS, MSWindows/Office and >> the IBM PC in the history books - I was there too. > > > MSDOS was never an operating system it was a program loader. Microsoft > has never > developed or even bought/stolen/adapted an Operating System in its life. > It has > always developed and marketed software with the express intention of > eliminating its opposition. > > There are so many aspects of MS software that is just really bad Computer > Science it is amazing that it has been so successful. The fact that Mr > Gates is > seen as a "computer whiz" rather than a very astute business man speakes > volumes > about other business people, politicians and the media. > Bernard, It is not the quality of the operating system that I am disputing either. I started work, bright eyed and bushy tailed after studying computer science - where we used a Unix machine which taught you to save edits regularly in case it crashed. My first job, in 1982 entailed decommissioning the card reader and replacing it with a PC for data entry. (Northstar running CPM). It also entailed maintaining an econometric model of the economy written in Fortran (and legend would have it backed up on cards under the bed of the Econometrician) on a Bureau Cyber - where you had to do explicit memory management. We could also discuss the merits of Pascal vs Fortran...something else I learnt in Computer Science. And they let me attempt to implement the econometric model in Pascal on the PC...needless to say, I didn't get very far. Next Job, moved a Fortran Royalties program from a Cyber to a Prime Mini computer running Primos. Kept compiling and getting different results, brought in a consultant who pointed out a bug in the Fortran compiler.... In 1988, I encountered the Digital Rainbow - quid each way ran MSDOS and CPM Used a Vax/VMS to enable PC and MAC users to share files... BTW, also listened to the debate about the quality of sound on vinyl vs CDs and Analog vs Digital Audio. Not sure, why I suddently recall my grandmother's advice, you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink! Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 10 11:34:12 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:34:12 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <45A42EBE.1070201@lannet.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> <45A42C52.3050005@ramin.com.au> <45A42EBE.1070201@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A43484.7000006@ramin.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> Howard Lowndes wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: >>> "contribution" - do you mean as in viruses, spam, etc...? >> >> >> viruses/spam came much later > > > not very much later. IIRC, the stoned virus was about 1984. > > ....I was referring to the contribution to > >> "end user" computing - usability/word processing/spreadsheets in >> particular. > > > think visicalc and wordstar - well before M$ came on the scene. vaguely recall wordstar and visicalc....but was involved in heated debates about the benefits of WordPerfect and amipro. However, as an integrated easy to use, and probably price wise, package MSWin/Office won the day. The other aspect was networking, integrating PCs/Macs/Vax pre-web was a challenge. TCP/IP and the Internet were floating around too - remember the debate between Ethernet and TOKEN RING? Not to mention x.400... Oh the good old days! These young people today, don't know how good they have it. > >> >> Personally, I preferred a line editor and lotus 123. Not to mention >> those who still believe CPM was a better operating system. We could >> have a debate about Unix and proprietary operating systems also. >> >> Unix has been around for a long time, I think the aspect of Linux we >> need to understand is open source and the Web/Internet is open >> standards/interoperability. > > > Yes, Richie and Thompson were working on Unix at around the same time > that Dick Pick was working on his OS - late '60s/early '70s > >> >> > -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From ivan at itrundle.com Wed Jan 10 12:21:32 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:21:32 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A407F10-4A49-4B41-8529-4DC31B867FC1@itrundle.com> On 10/01/2007, at 10:52 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > Karl writes re placebo: > >> if they believe it will help them then it very likely WILL help >> them, even if >> only by improving their perceived well-being. > > I dont' disagree at all. But I think one of the most common > misconceptions > about the use of a placebo (and the patient is not supposed to know > that it > is only a placebo) is that the patient's feeling of well-being > actually > contributes to the healing process. > > This is dubious in my opinion; it might effect/affect (Ivan??) the > mood, but > I doubt it affects/effects the body. Effect - noun Affect - verb ...though psychologists have tried hard to confuse this (I'm qualified to talk about this) but in the context of what is being discussed here, more confusing because we are debating emotional 'fluency' and affective behaviours. Internalised moods, feelings and well-being are influenced by a host of factors, and these in turn do directly influence the body. Mental states ARE recorded as having an effect on the body: but this is not then presume that mental states will mitigate or reverse a medical problem. It's a complex issue, if only because we still don't properly understand how pain, suffering, and an overall negative state all have on an ill or broken body. Mitigation of pain alone can assist in recovery, and not just because of the physiological dampening of the transmitted signals. On the other hand, pain is actually a useful process in itself, to prevent further injury. We simply don't know the sum total. There is no conclusive research to date. > An extension of this "feeling of well-being" idea is the firmly- > held-belief > in the general community that the bravery of certain people helps > them cure > themselves of supposedly incurable diseases. And we all know anecdotally that this simply isn't true. Nonetheless, I can speak anecdotally of those who have died around me - and can vouch for how quickly someone will die if they want to. But this is an extreme environment, and I'm not certain that we should extrapolate too much. Others in the business of dealing with the dying will tell similar stories, but our cultural beliefs will tell us not to delve into this topic too far with people who are dying (either expectedly, or not). > This is never discussed truthfully in the media, because its not a > characterisation that anyone can vocally object to without looking > like a > complete bastard. Agreed, our social and cultural beliefs preclude this. > However consider its corollary, which presumably is that those who > die, do > so because of cowardice or lack-of-willpower in facing and fighting > their > disease. I often wonder how the families of those who die think > about this > implied characterisation of their loved ones. Not a good corollary, as those dying express many emotions, sometimes all at once. It all gets very confusing at that time for those who are aware of their condition. Some are ready to die, prepared to accept it is a fate, but is it really cowardice or lack of willpower? A desire to die expresses willpower in a different way, and cowardice might be expressed in not wanting to die. It can be worse for bystanders, emotionally - who will interpret what they see in other ways again. > Karl's condemnation of people who "exploit the credulous" however, > seems to > under-rate this as a problem. It is a multi-billion dollar problem in > Australia, and a multi-trillion dollar problem around the world. True, too true. iT From sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au Wed Jan 10 12:22:19 2007 From: sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au (steve jenkin) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:22:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> References: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45A43FCB.7070100@canb.auug.org.au> Rick Welykochy wrote on 9/1/07 9:22 PM: > We've all heard of spam emails offer some sort of job scam. > What do Linkers think the scam is here? Recruitment of "Money Mules". See: A comment in another forum: A very good set of slides from a security expert (Peter Gutman ): He discusses the convergence of SPAM and hacking... It's now a single community. The AusCERT 2005 Security Survey stated in late 2004 "the hackers turned pro". That's the most important & alarming Internet news I've seen since 1992 when I heard about 'the web'. We're not up against a bunch of pimply hacker 'leets' anymore, but real organised crime... The rate of increase of attacks is stunning - 1500% year on year in some areas - and not coming off low bases. Search for "Happy New Year!" virus - there were 3200+ short-lived variants in the first 65 hours. It also is supposed to have accounted for 1 in *8* email messages globally at its height. It was a planned "zero-day" attack. If your organisation relied only on good virus scanners - then you lost. The viruses streaming straight past your expensive virus pattern matching systems... It will continue to infect systems until all those people on holidays have opened their mail. McAfee Avert Labs claims *271,000* different types of malware. I'm hoping that not just a count of their virus "signatures". If you run MS-Windows, there is no such thing as 'Safe Internet Banking' :-( HTH sj > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:04:38 +0900 > From: Esteban Borges > To: rick at praxis.com.au > Subject: Part time job offer > > > contacts below: > > e-mail: esteban.borges at hotmail.com > > Best Regards, > Esteban Borges. > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > > -- Steve Jenkin, Info Tech, Systems and Design Specialist. 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) PO Box 48, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sjenkin From alan at austlii.edu.au Wed Jan 10 12:30:17 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:30:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <2A407F10-4A49-4B41-8529-4DC31B867FC1@itrundle.com> References: <2A407F10-4A49-4B41-8529-4DC31B867FC1@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <20070110123017.ee5bfcd3.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:21:32 +1100 Ivan Trundle wrote: > > On 10/01/2007, at 10:52 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > > > Karl writes re placebo: > > > >> if they believe it will help them then it very likely WILL help > >> them, even if > >> only by improving their perceived well-being. > > > > I dont' disagree at all. But I think one of the most common > > misconceptions > > about the use of a placebo (and the patient is not supposed to > > know that it > > is only a placebo) is that the patient's feeling of well-being > > actually > > contributes to the healing process. > > > > This is dubious in my opinion; it might effect/affect (Ivan??) the > > mood, but > > I doubt it affects/effects the body. > > Effect - noun > > Affect - verb Effect \Ef*fect"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Effected}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Effecting}.] 1. To produce, as a cause or agent; to cause to be. [1913 Webster] So great a body such exploits to effect. --Daniel. [1913 Webster] 2. To bring to pass; to execute; to enforce; to achieve; to accomplish. [1913 Webster] To effect that which the divine counsels had decreed. --Bp. Hurd. [1913 Webster] They sailed away without effecting their purpose. --Jowett (Th. ). Syn: To accomplish; fulfill; achieve; complete; execute; perform; attain. See {Accomplish}. [1913 Webster] -- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 Also, to effect payment. > > ...though psychologists have tried hard to confuse this (I'm > qualified to talk about this) but in the context of what is being > discussed here, more confusing because we are debating emotional > 'fluency' and affective behaviours. > > Internalised moods, feelings and well-being are influenced by a host > of factors, and these in turn do directly influence the body. Mental > states ARE recorded as having an effect on the body: but this is not > then presume that mental states will mitigate or reverse a medical > problem. > > It's a complex issue, if only because we still don't properly > understand how pain, suffering, and an overall negative state all > have on an ill or broken body. Mitigation of pain alone can assist > in recovery, and not just because of the physiological dampening of > the transmitted signals. On the other hand, pain is actually a > useful process in itself, to prevent further injury. We simply don't > know the sum total. There is no conclusive research to date. > > > > > An extension of this "feeling of well-being" idea is the firmly- > > held-belief > > in the general community that the bravery of certain people helps > > them cure > > themselves of supposedly incurable diseases. > > And we all know anecdotally that this simply isn't true. > Nonetheless, I can speak anecdotally of those who have died around me > - and can vouch for how quickly someone will die if they want to. But > this is an extreme environment, and I'm not certain that we should > extrapolate too much. Others in the business of dealing with the > dying will tell similar stories, but our cultural beliefs will tell > us not to delve into this topic too far with people who are dying > (either expectedly, or not). > > > This is never discussed truthfully in the media, because its not a > > characterisation that anyone can vocally object to without looking > > like a > > complete bastard. > > Agreed, our social and cultural beliefs preclude this. > > > However consider its corollary, which presumably is that those who > > die, do > > so because of cowardice or lack-of-willpower in facing and > > fighting their > > disease. I often wonder how the families of those who die think > > about this > > implied characterisation of their loved ones. > > Not a good corollary, as those dying express many emotions, > sometimes all at once. It all gets very confusing at that time for > those who are aware of their condition. Some are ready to die, > prepared to accept it is a fate, but is it really cowardice or lack > of willpower? A desire to die expresses willpower in a different way, > and cowardice might be expressed in not wanting to die. It can be > worse for bystanders, emotionally - who will interpret what they see > in other ways again. > > > Karl's condemnation of people who "exploit the credulous" however, > > seems to > > under-rate this as a problem. It is a multi-billion dollar problem > > in Australia, and a multi-trillion dollar problem around the world. > > True, too true. > > iT > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Jan 10 13:39:00 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:39:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <45A43FCB.7070100@canb.auug.org.au> References: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> <45A43FCB.7070100@canb.auug.org.au> Message-ID: <45A451C4.6090200@praxis.com.au> steve jenkin wrote: > McAfee Avert Labs claims *271,000* different types of malware. I'm > hoping that not just a count of their virus "signatures". > Some simple research I did for Link years back showed that circa. 1998 (?) there were about (*) 60,000 Windows virii, worms, etc (*) 40 Macintosh (*) 1 Linux I would hazard a guess that the numbers might now read as follows, given the above submission: (*) 271,000 Windows virii, worms, etc (*) 40 Macintosh (*) 1 Linux and the latter 41 are all but dead and certainly not "in the wild". Interesting to visit the above link and follow on through to the McAfee site, which reports on January 9 (yesterday), more vulnerabilities were found in Office 2003 + Excel. The more things change ... cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? -- Richard Dawkins From adrian at creative.net.au Wed Jan 10 13:50:58 2007 From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:50:58 +0800 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <45A451C4.6090200@praxis.com.au> References: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> <45A43FCB.7070100@canb.auug.org.au> <45A451C4.6090200@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070110025058.GP20784@skywalker.creative.net.au> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: > (*) 271,000 Windows virii, worms, etc > (*) 40 Macintosh > (*) 1 Linux "Linux viruses" are always hard to classify. * There's plenty of them * They exist across multiple Linux platforms * Sometimes application software is classified as a "Linux worm" (eg PHPBB) which might skew the numbers. Anyone who preaches Linux purely on its security track records needs to re-evaluate their security knowledge. Its had its fair share of "really dumb mistakes" which have cropped up. (Now, openness, auditing, accountability and speed of bug resolution - thats a completely different story.) Adrian From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 10 14:31:26 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:31:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <200701100104.l0A14Xta016617@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Jan wrote: > (to affect - verb; effect - noun) My problem is that I consistently failed English at school, and never really learned to distinguish nouns and verbs -- let alone adverbs and those other things....? If I had to stop and think which parts of speech I was writing, I would certainly be a starving writer without a garret. Personally, I think English is the problem not me. I'm doing my best to iron out some of the spelling difficulties and make it easier for future generations. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 10 14:33:24 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:33:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Part time job offer - what is the scam? In-Reply-To: <20070110025058.GP20784@skywalker.creative.net.au> References: <45A36D03.7050506@praxis.com.au> <45A43FCB.7070100@canb.auug.org.au> <45A451C4.6090200@praxis.com.au> <20070110025058.GP20784@skywalker.creative.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070110143034.030f0cc8@wheresmymailserver.com> At 01:50 PM 10/01/2007, Adrian Chadd wrote: >On Wed, Jan 10, 2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: > > > (*) 271,000 Windows virii, worms, etc > > (*) 40 Macintosh > > (*) 1 Linux > >"Linux viruses" are always hard to classify. > >* There's plenty of them There are? >* They exist across multiple Linux platforms Can't say I've come across any! >* Sometimes application software is classified as a "Linux worm" (eg >PHPBB) which might skew the numbers. PHPBB is an application, yes. But I'd not call it "the worm" I'd call the application that is loaded through PHPBB to be the worm. Then again why anyone would run PHP applications on a visible IP is about as questionable as running an MS IIS server or a Windows Box on a visible IP! >Anyone who preaches Linux purely on its security track records needs to >re-evaluate their security knowledge. Its had its fair share of "really >dumb mistakes" which have cropped up. Dumb mistakes are different to open and accountable vulnerabilities! At leas the *nix community patches rather fast! >(Now, openness, auditing, accountability and speed of bug resolution - >thats a completely different story.) But that's what makes it work. Still, even the majority of *nix programers aren't as crack as the minority who ensure that their code is secure, safe and highly unlikely to be cracked. From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Jan 10 16:28:30 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:28:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A4797E.6040706@praxis.com.au> Stewart Fist wrote: > Personally, I think English is the problem not me. I'm doing my best to > iron out some of the spelling difficulties and make it easier for future > generations. At the risk of veering way OT, here is Euro English ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU rather than German which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase-in plan that would be known as "Euro-English". In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be ekspekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away. By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru! And zen world! From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 10 16:50:59 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:50:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <45A43484.7000006@ramin.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> <45A42C52.3050005@ramin.com.au> <45A42EBE.1070201@lannet.com.au> <45A43484.7000006@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: On 10/01/2007, at 11:34 AM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Oh the good old days! These young people today, don't know how good > they have it. Young! Ha! I can think of one linker who _might_ be older than me but there might be more. Ha! Bet nobody has eleven grandchildren. Ha! Tony Having a seniors moment phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From kauer at biplane.com.au Wed Jan 10 16:59:11 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:59:11 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <45A4797E.6040706@praxis.com.au> References: <45A4797E.6040706@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <1168408752.28156.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 16:28 +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > At the risk of veering way OT, here is Euro English ... And here is Mark Twain (or possibly MJ Shields), who did it a good century earlier... A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all. Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 10 17:17:29 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:17:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] When matching algorithms get it wrong Message-ID: Linkers I just got this from Amazon - > Dear Amazon.com Customer, > > We've noticed that customers who have expressed interest in books by > John Pilger have also ordered "Ultra Wideband Antennas And Propagation > for Communications, Radar And Imaging" by Ben Allen. For this reason > you might like to know that Ben Allen's newest book, "Ultra Wideband > Antennas And Propagation for Communications, Radar And Imaging", is > now > available in Hardcover. You can order your copy for just $135.00 by > following the link below. > > Ultra Wideband Antennas And Propagation for Communications, Radar And > Imaging > Ben Allen I like Pilger as for his irreverent points of view and find him easy to read. I can think of some pretty rococo explanations for why people who would buy his books also might buy the book suggested but more likely it's a hiccup. Anybody else got examples of crazy things like this? eg the old one "out of sight, out of mind" coming back as "invisible idiot" through a double translation. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Jan 10 17:35:04 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:35:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <1168408752.28156.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45A4797E.6040706@praxis.com.au> <1168408752.28156.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45A48918.1070301@praxis.com.au> Karl Auer wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 16:28 +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > >>At the risk of veering way OT, here is Euro English ... > > > And here is Mark Twain (or possibly MJ Shields), who did it a good > century earlier... LOL ... > "sh", and "th" rispektivli. Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov > orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt > xe Ingliy-spiking werld. I have a sneaking suspicion that the above is what written English looks like to those encountering the language for the first time :-( -rw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? -- Richard Dawkins From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 10 20:11:30 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:11:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <45A48918.1070301@praxis.com.au> References: <45A4797E.6040706@praxis.com.au> <1168408752.28156.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45A48918.1070301@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: On 10/01/2007, at 5:35 PM, Rick Welykochy wrote: > I have a sneaking suspicion that the above is what written > English looks like to those encountering the language for > the first time :-( Some of us oldies were taught to read phonetically by sounding out the letters in the word. I often wondered why as it seemed perhaps, that even most words, didn't work that way. I blame it on the problems I always had with spelling, until the invention of spelling checkers which kept showing me when I was wrong. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From kim.holburn at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 20:54:31 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:54:31 +0100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2421B9F0-E10C-409F-A839-18C010523F88@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/10, at 12:52 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > Karl writes re placebo: > >> if they believe it will help them then it very likely WILL help >> them, even if >> only by improving their perceived well-being. > > I dont' disagree at all. But I think one of the most common > misconceptions > about the use of a placebo (and the patient is not supposed to know > that it > is only a placebo) is that the patient's feeling of well-being > actually > contributes to the healing process. The placebo effect is such a powerful one and makes it so difficult to even test drugs, it's surprising there's not more research into it. (Well perhaps not so surprising: you probably can't make money out of it as easily as patenting drugs.) They are starting to do research into it but not much yet. > This is dubious in my opinion; it might effect/affect (Ivan??) the > mood, but > I doubt it affects/effects the body. > > The body heals by itself, with or without placebos -- and with or > without > feelings of well-being. It even heals in a coma. > > There's no evidence that the bones of a depressive take longer to > mend than > the bones of an eternal optimist. If there were, hospitals would > load their > patients up with a good high dose of morphine or opium to enlist > euphoria > and hasten the healing process. Actually, it's called a medically induced coma and they do do it. Most healing is effected by the immune system and takes place during sleep so there are good reasons for doing it. There is evidence that the immune system is affected by the brain (and consequently the mood). The immune system and many organs have neuro-receptors. Remember there is also the nocebo effect so to get placebo or nocebo there must be some brain involvement. > An extension of this "feeling of well-being" idea is the firmly- > held-belief > in the general community that the bravery of certain people helps > them cure > themselves of supposedly incurable diseases. TV Current-affairs > shows love > to use the term 'hero' about kids who survive cancer and they > almost always > attribute the survival to the mental state of the kid. > > This is never discussed truthfully in the media, because its not a > characterisation that anyone can vocally object to without looking > like a > complete bastard. > > However consider its corollary, which presumably is that those who > die, do > so because of cowardice or lack-of-willpower in facing and fighting > their > disease. I often wonder how the families of those who die think > about this > implied characterisation of their loved ones. > > > Karl's condemnation of people who "exploit the credulous" however, > seems to > under-rate this as a problem. It is a multi-billion dollar problem in > Australia, and a multi-trillion dollar problem around the world. The problem is we know so little about it. In normal double blind studies they have to account for the mood of the prescribing doctor as well as the patient because that too seems to affect the outcome due to the placebo effect. If there was no "mood" affect then drug studies would be much simpler. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From kim.holburn at gmail.com Wed Jan 10 21:35:31 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:35:31 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <45A435E6.7000204@praxis.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> <45A435E6.7000204@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <6BD21F4A-EB16-47FD-9B83-084B118C67C5@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/10, at 1:40 AM, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Howard Lowndes wrote: > >> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: >> >>> IMHO your conclusion is correct but not your assessment of >>> Windows. We should acknowledge the contribution >> "contribution" - do you mean as in viruses, spam, etc...? Actually the first computer viruses were Mac ones ;-) > Howard is right. Microsoft has contributed zero in the advancement of > computing science and IT innovation. The wheel mouse? > They have actually set the bar and > expectations of how computers should perform so low that their > software can > be considered "toy". If you do the research you will find that > practically > anything of usefullness that Microsoft sells has been either ripped > off > (Lotus 1-2-3 ==> Excel), adapted (GUI as but one example) or > assimilated > Borg-style (Mosaic ==> IE). > > Need some concrete examples of their failure to innovate? Microsoft > was > on the web way later than many other technology companies, around > 1996 IIRC. > Their TCP/IP stack had to be imported from BSD. Their IIS web > server came > arrived way after Apache. Their browser came in years after > Netscape had > established firm market position. IE introduced "tabbed browsing" > just a few > months ago, years after Mozilla and Safari. > > The only thing Microsoft has really contributed to is the > reinforcement > of the notion that combines and anti-trust legislation is a toothless > tiger and the real message in our capitalist system is to rape, > pillage > and plunder as many markets and competitors to "win the game". And > don't even > get me started on the Dr-DOS fiasco. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 10 21:43:59 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:43:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <45A47E3B.8030708@lannet.com.au> References: <45A4797E.6040706@praxis.com.au> <45A47E3B.8030708@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$24no3r@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 04:48 PM 10/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >I tht t kids wr thr w/sms spk There's a google ad banner on some websites now that advertises link to a 'safe internetting' site with one of the benefits listed as being able to decode the acronyms 'your kids' use in chat rooms. Interesting assumptions there, eh? Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 10 21:57:16 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:57:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: vip-l: Fwd: Article: Blind Americans demand Web access; Target fights back Message-ID: <5ii0ro$24nrqb@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> [sorry about the ragged lines] >This story appeared on Network World at >www.networkworld.com/news/2007/010508-target.html > >Blind Americans demand Web access; Target fights back >Court battle expected to heat up in coming months >By Jon Brodkin, Network World, 01/05/07 >Retailer Target's refusal to make its Web site more accessible to the >blind >has fueled a high-profile court battle that is causing many companies to >quietly upgrade their Web sites in the hopes of avoiding negative >publicity >and legal liability. >The case will unfold over the next several months, but a federal judge >has >already dismissed Target's claim that Americans with Disabilities Act >prohibitions against discrimination do not apply to commercial Web >sites. >This ruling, and other advocacy efforts on behalf of the blind, has >caused a >number of "major e-tailers" to upgrade their sites to make them >compatible >with software the blind use to access the Internet, says Paul Rosenfeld, >senior vice president of federal accessibility solutions at the SSB BART >Group in San Francisco, a consulting firm founded by technologists with >disabilities. [snip....more] Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From ivan at itrundle.com Wed Jan 10 22:12:55 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:12:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' Message-ID: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> This appeared on Kable's website tonight: http://www.kablenet.com/ Government to create 'super websites' 10 January 2007 [Whitehall is to shut down 551 websites to make access to information easier for citizens and businesses, the minister for Transformational Government has said] Launching the delayed Transformational Government annual report 2006, Pat McFadden said over half of central government websites will face closure over the next year. Ninety of the 551 websites have already been closed. Agreed dates for the remaining are expected to be released shortly. Relevant information from the closed websites will be transferred to the governments 'super websites', Directgov and Business Link. The closure of the sites is expected to save the Treasury ?9m over three years. Out of the total of 951 central government websites, 26 are "certain" to be retained, says the report. A further 374 of the 951 will be reviewed for possible closure by June 2007. McFadden said on 10 January 2007: "This report demonstrates how millions of people are benefiting from our use of technology every day. "We are dealing decisively with the proliferation of government websites - getting rid of more than 500 - and we are ensuring that the quality of our services will not be affected by these changes." Prior to McFadden's speech at the Transformational Government II conference, organised by Kable, a Cabinet Office spokesperson told GC News: "The Cabinet Office alone has made an annual saving of ?174,000 by closing all of its websites apart from its corporate website. "As for non-finance benefits for citizens they are immeasurable. People do not want to surf the net for information; they want to find it as quickly as possible. Our ultimate aim to to close 95% of Whitehall's websites." Directgov, launched in 2004, receives over 5m visits a month. It currently involves 18 government departments and has links to services in nearly all 388 councils in England. Source: Kable's Government Computing Publication date: 10/01/2007 -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From ivan at itrundle.com Wed Jan 10 22:15:05 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:15:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: vip-l: Fwd: Article: Blind Americans demand Web access; Target fights back In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$24nrqb@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$24nrqb@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <2C6D565E-38CD-4A61-B115-F51CF158D3D0@itrundle.com> On 10/01/2007, at 9:57 PM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > > [sorry about the ragged lines] > >> This story appeared on Network World at >> www.networkworld.com/news/2007/010508-target.html >> >> Blind Americans demand Web access; Target fights back >> Court battle expected to heat up in coming months >> By Jon Brodkin, Network World, 01/05/07 >> Retailer Target's refusal to make its Web site more accessible to the >> blind >> has fueled a high-profile court battle that is causing many >> companies to >> quietly upgrade their Web sites in the hopes of avoiding negative >> publicity >> and legal liability. >> The case will unfold over the next several months, but a federal >> judge >> has >> already dismissed Target's claim that Americans with Disabilities Act >> prohibitions against discrimination do not apply to commercial Web >> sites. Anyone aware of what the basis of Target's claim was? I'm interested to know how they went about formulating a legal argument to discriminate, and on what grounds. iT From rha at juggernaut.com.au Wed Jan 10 21:57:33 2007 From: rha at juggernaut.com.au (Richard Archer) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:57:33 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <6BD21F4A-EB16-47FD-9B83-084B118C67C5@gmail.com> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> <45A435E6.7000204@praxis.com.au> <6BD21F4A-EB16-47FD-9B83-084B118C67C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: FWIW, the article at the original link posted by Bernard does a very nice job of describing how the Microsoft marketing machine puts sales and hype ahead of functionality and usability. The description of the "Game Explorer" in action is priceless. It really is a travesty that Microsoft software doesn't have to work in order to sell. But then, consumers get what they deserve and I'm sure it will all come back and bite M$ on the bum sooner or later. ...R. From stephen at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 11 02:26:14 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:26:14 GMT Subject: [LINK] Call for Papers, JCIS2007 Message-ID: <20070110152614.EF0AE15A5E@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> The Joint Conference on Information Sciences 2007 is calling for a wide range of '07 Conference Papers. They've doing the site now, it's wobbly but interesting: http://www.jcis.org/ JCIS is a multidisciplinary meeting encompassing conferences, workshops and symposiums that highlight emerging science and technology related to intelligent machinery and systems. For more than a decade, the conference has encouraged information dissemination and the exchange of ideas among researchers in the diverse yet interconnected fields of information sciences. 12th International Conference on Fuzzy Theory & Technology 10th International Conference on Computer Science & Informatics 8th International Conference on Natural Computing 8th International Conference on Computer Vision, Pattern Recognition & Image Processing 7th Atlantic Symposium on Computational Biology & Genome Informatics 6th International Conference on Computational Intelligence in Economics & Finance 5th International Conference on Intelligent Multimedia & Ambient Intelligence 5th Symposium on Photonics, Networking & Computing 2nd International Workshop on Chance Discovery & Data Mining -- Regards all .. Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Thu Jan 11 07:16:55 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:16:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> Message-ID: On 10/01/2007, at 10:12 PM, Ivan Trundle wrote: > [Whitehall is to shut down 551 websites to make access to > information easier for citizens and businesses, the minister for > Transformational Government has said] > .... > > Relevant information from the closed websites will be transferred > to the governments 'super websites', Directgov and Business Link. I've always felt uncomfortable with too much centralisation and tend to have an emotional attachment to decentralised models without a clear idea why. Models like pictureaustralia which gives a single access point and a unitary appearance through the use of standards while letting each component do it's own thing seem to make sense to me. Maybe behind the scenes to UK Government is doing this but I suspect that everything is going on a big central database providing a single point of failure. Perhaps it's the contrast between one resulting from bottom up cooperation and the other from central direction. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Thu Jan 11 07:55:40 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:55:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> Message-ID: >On 10/01/2007, at 10:12 PM, Ivan Trundle wrote: >> [Whitehall is to shut down 551 websites to make access to >>information easier for citizens and businesses, the minister for >>Transformational Government has said] >> .... At 7:16 +1100 11/1/07, Antony Barry wrote: >I've always felt uncomfortable with too much centralisation ... Tony was a bit milder than me. When I saw that late last night, I found it highly depressing, and sent it on to some colleagues with the following: Re: Death of the Entry Point An unhappy new year, I'm afraid. Cyberspace was a fad that lasted a bit longer than WWII. Whitehall has quickly reverted to type, re-discovered centralism, and can be expected to shortly re-create the Ministry of Truth. >Directgov, launched in 2004, receives over 5m visits a month. ... I got 3.5 million in 2006. So Directgov beat 1 moderate pre-blogger by a factor of less than 20. And the logic then is: because individual agencies are more readily found than the entry point, we'd better close down the individual agencies' sites? Can consolidation mean anything other than ossification? Will anyone ever re-discover diseconomies of scale and scope? -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Thu Jan 11 08:18:17 2007 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:18:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <20070110211817.GB20729@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> > [Whitehall is to shut down 551 websites to make access to information > easier for citizens and businesses, the minister for Transformational > Government has said] I don't for a moment suspect that the 551 old websites will be kept around with appropriate redirects in place, as the few hundred thousand pounds it might cost to do that properly will hurt some bureaucrat's bottom line. I wonder if forcing XX million people in the UK (and elsewhere) to update their bookmarks or waste time with broken links on outside sites that haven't been updated (and may not ever be) has been factored into the costs involved with this? I reckon that could work out at nearly a billion pounds a year in lost or wasted time (say one hour per person), at least for the first year. Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog --------------------------------------------------------- From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 11 08:29:40 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:29:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$24sphn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 07:16 AM 11/01/2007, Antony Barry wrote: >Perhaps it's the contrast between one resulting from bottom up >cooperation and the other from central direction. Tony, your point about pointing to someone else's work is also worth putting into the mix as why you may feel more comfortable with decentralised systems. It's why we like the Internet. If part of it breaks, the whole thing doesn't collapse. Same with all centralised monolithic systems (dare I say the proposed ID card?). Fewer points of failure, perhaps, but that isn't always the most important factor. I think many centralisers are mostly trying to reduce support overhead. That's the point of many mergers, besides control. Roger said it well: Will anyone ever re-discover diseconomies of scale and scope? Speaking of control.....There is also the matter of who controls the data. If it's centralised, whoever has the button in that spot makes it on or off. If it's distributed, the control lies in the hands of the source. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Thu Jan 11 08:37:46 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:37:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <20070110211817.GB20729@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> <20070110211817.GB20729@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <2F95AF8D-BF80-4F55-9ECE-D3D5A086EF4D@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 11/01/2007, at 8:18 AM, Danny Yee wrote: > I don't for a moment suspect that the 551 old websites will be kept > around with appropriate redirects in place, as the few hundred > thousand > pounds it might cost to do that properly will hurt some bureaucrat's > bottom line. At the very minimum lets hope the point all the old host names at the directory site and redirect all the resulting 404 errors to a page with an apology and a search form. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 11 08:34:16 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:34:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <20070110211817.GB20729@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> <20070110211817.GB20729@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$24sr97@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 08:18 AM 11/01/2007, Danny Yee wrote: >I reckon that could work out at >nearly a billion pounds a year in lost or wasted time (say one hour >per person), at least for the first year. They'll probably do what our 'brilliant' govt does and 'market' (advertise) it to death. Joe Cocker songs do well for this, I understand. At least he would be contributing for his countrymen instead of the colonials. hee hee Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From ivan at itrundle.com Thu Jan 11 09:37:44 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:37:44 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$24sphn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> <5ii0ro$24sphn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <69F3B785-58A7-4610-9BD3-0D42BF9900F8@itrundle.com> On 11/01/2007, at 8:29 AM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 07:16 AM 11/01/2007, Antony Barry wrote: >> Perhaps it's the contrast between one resulting from bottom up >> cooperation and the other from central direction. > > I think many centralisers are mostly trying to reduce > support overhead. That's the point of many mergers, besides > control. Roger said it well: Will anyone ever re-discover > diseconomies of scale and scope? I don't have a problem with reducing support overhead, though the corollary that more centralisation = more control is not clear. > Speaking of control.....There is also the matter of who controls > the data. If it's centralised, whoever has the button in that spot > makes it on or off. If it's distributed, the control lies in the > hands of the source. I regard this as a minor 'problem' in the grand scheme of things. There are others who have access to the on/off button, and in the grand scheme of things, there are more on/off buttons that determine access to a website. 'Control' can be as much or as little is required to run a service. There was no hint in the article that government agencies would have less control over their data. But look at the wider picture here: governments have always wanted to control how data is distributed to the public. Just because we are talking about a collection of websites doesn't change a great deal. I can think of larger entities on the web which have 'control' over access to data - and not just Google or Yahoo, either. On a personal level, I am as uncomfortable as Tony and others about the direction that this move is heading in, but this doesn't alter the simple fact that on paper, the merger looks like offering a number of advantages. How individual government departments handle the data and how they allow it to be accessed probably won't change much. I see this as a 'Portal 2.0' move, and as doomed to failure as portals were generally (and it's got a noice Web2.0 ring about it as well). iT -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From SHENDERS at nla.gov.au Thu Jan 11 09:42:49 2007 From: SHENDERS at nla.gov.au (Sandra Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:42:49 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' Message-ID: and won't it then become that much more difficult to keep things up-to-date, and less likely that individual agencies will put much effort into that... Just how are they "ensuring" that quality of service won't be affected... And, conscious of the problems I encounter in linking parts our our site to other agency sites, who's making sure nothing important is actually disappearing completely in this change - we've certainly seen important government reports and the like disappear from the .gov.au domain here in Oz when govt agencies have changed name/responsibilities, redesigned websites, amalgamated with another agency... Sandra Henderson Manager, Research, Coordination Support Branch National Library of Australia CANBERRA ACT 2600 Phone: +61 2 6262 1481 Fax: +61 2 6273 2545 Email: shenders at nla.gov.au -----Original Message----- From: link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au [mailto:link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of Ivan Trundle Posted At: Wednesday, 10 January 2007 10:13 PM Posted To: Link List Conversation: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' This appeared on Kable's website tonight: http://www.kablenet.com/ Government to create 'super websites' 10 January 2007 [Whitehall is to shut down 551 websites to make access to information easier for citizens and businesses, the minister for Transformational Government has said] Launching the delayed Transformational Government annual report 2006, Pat McFadden said over half of central government websites will face closure over the next year. Ninety of the 551 websites have already been closed. Agreed dates for the remaining are expected to be released shortly. Relevant information from the closed websites will be transferred to the governments 'super websites', Directgov and Business Link. The closure of the sites is expected to save the Treasury ?9m over three years. Out of the total of 951 central government websites, 26 are "certain" to be retained, says the report. A further 374 of the 951 will be reviewed for possible closure by June 2007. McFadden said on 10 January 2007: "This report demonstrates how millions of people are benefiting from our use of technology every day. "We are dealing decisively with the proliferation of government websites - getting rid of more than 500 - and we are ensuring that the quality of our services will not be affected by these changes." Prior to McFadden's speech at the Transformational Government II conference, organised by Kable, a Cabinet Office spokesperson told GC News: "The Cabinet Office alone has made an annual saving of ?174,000 by closing all of its websites apart from its corporate website. "As for non-finance benefits for citizens they are immeasurable. People do not want to surf the net for information; they want to find it as quickly as possible. Our ultimate aim to to close 95% of Whitehall's websites." Directgov, launched in 2004, receives over 5m visits a month. It currently involves 18 government departments and has links to services in nearly all 388 councils in England. Source: Kable's Government Computing Publication date: 10/01/2007 -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk _______________________________________________ Link mailing list Link at mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From ivan at itrundle.com Thu Jan 11 10:20:24 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:20:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ED2F5AD-4710-4B97-B92C-58FBEEF246E9@itrundle.com> On 11/01/2007, at 9:42 AM, Sandra Henderson wrote: > and won't it then become that much more difficult to keep things up- > to-date, and less likely that individual agencies will put much > effort into that... Hi Sandra I don't recall the article mentioning that individual agencies were to lose access to their data, but rather the right to store it in a particular location. It would be as simple as offering accounts (on the centralised server - or servers) to those agencies that require access. But I'm only guessing here. I can't see how it would be made more difficult to keep material up-to-date: no-one would approve the change otherwise. > Just how are they "ensuring" that quality of service won't be > affected.. By suggesting that more resources can be put into maintaining a central server? I'm sure that they'll think of something... Rampant ideology offers a range of options here. > . > And, conscious of the problems I encounter in linking parts our our > site to other agency sites, who's making sure nothing important is > actually disappearing completely in this change - we've certainly > seen important government reports and the like disappear from > the .gov.au domain here in Oz when govt agencies have changed name/ > responsibilities, redesigned websites, amalgamated with another > agency... But that's altogether different. And harder to avoid. But I would assume that migration of data to the central server(s) would be managed by individual agencies, and that places where duplicate records were held could be streamlined somewhat. Agencies changing names/merging/dissolving is all part and parcel of government thinking these days: it must be hard for Pandora etc to manage archival of this material. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like the proposal (??). I thoroughly dislike, as a consumer/taxpayer, having to assess which is the best location to find information, and in any event, there is simply too much of it about to make sense of it much of the time (less is more). Must be the heat ... iT -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 11 10:21:22 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:21:22 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <200701100551.l0A5pGRZ013919@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: > Internalised moods, feelings and well-being are influenced by a host > of factors, and these in turn do directly influence the body. Mental > states ARE recorded as having an effect on the body: but this is not > then presume that mental states will mitigate or reverse a medical > problem. The problem here is the old one of causality. Surely, unless you believe the 'mind' is something non-physical -- eg a soul -- then it is the body that effects the mental state, rather than the other way around. Or perhaps it is the body that effects/affects the mind, which then a/effects the body in a chain of consequences. People who are ill, generally feel lousy. People who are dying, generally get depressed unless they are drugged up (and they often are, without knowing it in hospital). -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 Ivan writes: From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 11 10:24:49 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:24:49 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <200701100551.l0A5pGRZ013919@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Alan writes: > > Effect \Ef*fect"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Effected}; p. pr. & vb. > n. {Effecting}.] > 1. To produce, as a cause or agent; to cause to be. > [1913 Webster] > > So great a body such exploits to effect. --Daniel. > [1913 Webster] > > 2. To bring to pass; to execute; to enforce; to achieve; to > accomplish. > [1913 Webster] > > To effect that which the divine counsels had > decreed. --Bp. Hurd. > [1913 Webster] > > They sailed away without effecting their purpose. > --Jowett (Th. > ). > > Syn: To accomplish; fulfill; achieve; complete; execute; > perform; attain. See {Accomplish}. > [1913 Webster] > > -- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English > v.0.48 > > Also, to effect payment. Since we are talking about the possibility of EMF changes in brain activity, maybe the correct word is "infect" -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Wed Jan 10 10:23:20 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:23:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: <27C20379-248C-4474-BD06-4D3B534BF4DB@sunriseresearch.org> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> <27C20379-248C-4474-BD06-4D3B534BF4DB@sunriseresearch.org> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110101335.01af3180@tomw.net.au> At 07:31 PM 1/9/2007, Liddy Nevile wrote: >Will you report on the event for those of us who can't make it, please? I may not be able to report "live", as my wireless modem may not work in the underground "Bunker Theatre". It was designed to survive a nuclear attack and radiation shielded . Previous meetings have been podcast . The room is equipped for video conference and this has been used to link in other sites for past meetings. If other linkers are interested I could ask for this to be done. But that way you miss out on the excellent muffins served during the break in the meeting. Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Wed Jan 10 15:14:58 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:14:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Digital Culture Talk on Second Life, 14 February 2007, Canberra Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> This is in the same series as Vic Elliott's talk on academic publishing . Recommended: >NLA Digital Culture talks: > >Flying Librarians of Oz: What's the fuss about Second Life and >what's it got to do with libraries? > >Second Life is an online virtual community created by its residents >and run by Linden Labs. Over two million people have registered: >Dell Computing, Adidas, Harvard Law School and the United States >Congress all have a presence there. ... > >Kathryn Greenhill, a librarian at Murdoch University Library in >Western Australia, co-ordinates the Australian Libraries Building. >She will provide a guided tour of the Australian Libraries Building >and discuss some of the benefits to librarians of having a Second >Life. See http://secondlife.com/ > >Time: 12.30 to 13.30 >Date: Wednesday, 14 February 2007 >Venue: Library Theatre >Entry: Free >Speaker: Kathryn Greenhill, Librarian, Murdoch University Library, >Western Australia >Introduced by Matthew Stuckings, Reader Services Branch, National >Library of Australia > >Bobby Graham >Web Content Manager >Web Publishing Branch, IT Division >National Library of Australia >Tel: +61 2 6262 1542 >www.nla.gov.au Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From ivan at itrundle.com Thu Jan 11 10:45:14 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:45:14 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/01/2007, at 10:21 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > The problem here is the old one of causality. Surely, unless you > believe > the 'mind' is something non-physical -- eg a soul -- then it is the > body > that effects the mental state, rather than the other way around. You're an epiphenomenalist, then... (said in the nicest possible way) Not wishing to embark on a philosophical discourse as to the composition of the mind (dualism, monism, functionalism, non- reductive physicality, etc), I'm of the view that since the mind is capable of constructing thoughts, feelings and emotions independently from the body (not in a literal sense), then both can occur. I think that the jury is out on where the soul lives. But I defer to Plato, Descartes, Aristotle, Jackson, et al in this. They seem to have grappled with this in more depth that I ever managed at uni. For those with an interest in this area, I can recommend a well- written wikipedia topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mind -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Thu Jan 11 10:54:05 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:54:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <1ED2F5AD-4710-4B97-B92C-58FBEEF246E9@itrundle.com> References: <1ED2F5AD-4710-4B97-B92C-58FBEEF246E9@itrundle.com> Message-ID: At 10:20 +1100 11/1/07, Ivan Trundle wrote: >I thoroughly dislike, as a consumer/taxpayer, having to assess which >is the best location to find information, and in any event, there is >simply too much of it about to make sense of it much of the time >(less is more). Entry-Points are hardly a new idea: http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/EC/ESD.html#MO (1999, reporting on consultancy work of the preceding years) The Entry-Point concept is distinct from 'portal'/'vortal' and its ilk: http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/EC/WillPay.html#Comm5 Examples include: http://www.australia.gov.au/ http://www.business.gov.au/ http://www.canberraconnect.act.gov.au/ http://www.vic.gov.au/ Dispersed repositories, using common protocols and standards. (No, they didn't implement anything like all of the recommendations we gave them; but some of these sites are reasonably functional). -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From SHENDERS at nla.gov.au Thu Jan 11 10:57:01 2007 From: SHENDERS at nla.gov.au (Sandra Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:57:01 +1100 Subject: [LINK] National Library's Innovative Ideas Forum, 2007 Message-ID: Apologies for cross-posting After the success of the 2006 Innovative Ideas Forum, the National Library is holding a one-day Forum on April 19. The detailed program will be available soon, but the speakers this year will include Abby Blachly, one of the founders of LibraryThing; Courtney Gibson, Head of Arts and Entertainment at the ABC; and Professor Amanda Spink of QUT, one of the most widely cited authors in library and information science. Mark the date in your diary, and look out in the coming weeks for more information about the program and how to register. As with the 2006 event, attendance will be free and will include lunch and teas. Sandra Henderson Manager, Research, Coordination Support Branch National Library of Australia CANBERRA ACT 2600 Phone: +61 2 6262 1481 Fax: +61 2 6273 2545 Email: shenders at nla.gov.au From kauer at biplane.com.au Thu Jan 11 11:00:05 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:00:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168473606.1822.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On 11/01/2007, at 10:21 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > > The problem here is the old one of causality. Surely, unless you > > believe the 'mind' is something non-physical -- eg a soul -- then > > it is the body that effects the mental state, rather than the > > other way around. None of this requires a "soul" to explain. As soon as you admit the existence of a "mental state" you are allowing a distinction between body and mind. The two things can affect each other - both directions. I'm happy with the idea that physics causes and supports mind, but that doesn't mean that mind is "just" physics. When you think of something, the thought can be described independently of the fabric it resides in - and in fact regularly is, we call it things like "speech", and "writing". Your mind, via such means, can affect my mind and body (shout "fire!"). People can calm themselves down, fire themselves up, make themselves happy, angry or sad - it seems entirely reasonable that there are more subtle ways that the conscious or unconscious will can make changes in the body. I therefore disagree that the placebo effect is "only" about perceived well-being, though I'd be very reluctant to claim it could cure cancer or whatever. That said, it may well be the edge that a body needs to defeat some illness. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 11 10:57:37 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:57:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Digital Culture Talk on Second Life, 14 February 2007, Canberra In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$24uhq5@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 03:14 PM 10/01/2007, Tom Worthington wrote: >>Flying Librarians of Oz: What's the fuss about Second Life and >>what's it got to do with libraries? >> >>Second Life is an online virtual community created by its residents >>and run by Linden Labs. Over two million people have registered: >>Dell Computing, Adidas, Harvard Law School and the United States >>Congress all have a presence there. ... I just saw a Second Life hack where the person doing the interview was attacked by a series of dancing penises to the tune of Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies. Hilarious! It's on YouTube. They were not amused.... Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From eleanor at pacific.net.au Thu Jan 11 11:25:04 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:25:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Digital Culture Talk on Second Life, 14 February 2007, Canberra In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$24uhq5@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <5ii0ro$24uhq5@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <45A583E0.1060305@pacific.net.au> Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 03:14 PM 10/01/2007, Tom Worthington wrote: >>> Flying Librarians of Oz: What's the fuss about Second Life and >>> what's it got to do with libraries? >>> >>> Second Life is an online virtual community created by its residents >>> and run by Linden Labs. Over two million people have registered: >>> Dell Computing, Adidas, Harvard Law School and the United States >>> Congress all have a presence there. ... > > I just saw a Second Life hack where the person doing the interview was > attacked by a series of dancing penises to the tune of Dance of the > Sugar Plum Fairies. Hilarious! It's on YouTube. They were not amused.... awww, give us the link! -- ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 11 12:19:43 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:19:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Link Digest, Vol 170, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <200701101616.l0AGGapp008731@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: In reply to my statement > >> There's no evidence that the bones of a depressive take longer to >> mend than >> the bones of an eternal optimist. If there were, hospitals would >> load their >> patients up with a good high dose of morphine or opium to enlist >> euphoria >> and hasten the healing process. Kim replies > > Actually, it's called a medically induced coma and they do do it. > Most healing is effected by the immune system and takes place during > sleep so there are good reasons for doing it. I would have thought the coma is evidence of exactly the opposite -- which is what I was saying. Being in a coma or being asleep clearly removes the mind, or the person's positive attitude, or will-power, or whatever you want to call it, from contention as a curing mechanism. The less the conscious brain activity, the better. > Remember there is also the nocebo effect so to get placebo or nocebo > there must be some brain involvement. The promotion of the nocebo idea (that you can make yourself actually ill by worrying about things) was promoted by (if not originated by) two very dubious scientists in Washington in the early 1980s (George Carlo and Ernst Wynder), and by the neo-con lobby group they were both associated with called the Washington Legal Foundation (funded by tobacco, cellphone companies and some others). The main promoter of Nocebo was Dr George Carlo, who was a science-for-sale operator working with Philip Morris, the Chlorine Institute (on dioxins and pesticides), and a few other industry group. He was selected by the cellphone industry to head its $27 million 'research' effort through a group known as "Wireless Technology Research" (WTR). It was later said of this group that it 'managed to spend the whole $27 m without ever getting a test-tube wet'. George ran through the Cellphone Industry's money, then when they wouldn't put up more, he suddenly had a Damascian conversion, discovered that cellphones were causing acoustic neuroma, published a scare-book, and went (temporarily) into business with Peter Angelos, the main public-liability class action lawyerin America. When Angelos woke up to George's dubious reputation, Carlo moved out to became a best-selling author and consultant on the dangers of cellphones. (See his role in Melbourne RMIT, etc,) He knows Melbourne well after having prepared a report for the water authorities which proved the drinking water was safe (in 1990) after a dioxin spill at a Nufarm factory near Werribee. He forgot to tell the government that he was a consultant and technical director for the New Zealand company Fernz which owned Nufarm, and also that he was a consultant to the Chlorine Chemical Association in the USA. For those that are interested: Here is some indication as to the documentation available on these shonks: ETS = Environmental Tobacco Smoke TI = Tobacco Institute E. Bruce Harrison was the company employed by the Chemical Manufacturer's Association to counter the book "Silent Spring" on chemical pollution. 1. 2. 3. This is from a document which essentially rehashes an old piece of mine on Carlo and the Nocebo effect written about ten years ago: (CTIA - Cellular Telephone Industry Assoc) -------------- Dr George Carlo is not an employee of the CTIA, he contracts to them and acts as research director, funder and controller of research, and spokesman for them on all such health-related matters. He is an expert in lobbying governments, in promoting health policies, and in helping industries under attack from environmental and health activists. He is basically a technocrat and administrator, and his reputation in much wider circles is now well known -- he has been an opponent of the environmental and health activities and activists since his first days with the Arkansas Health Department, defending the Arkansas Light & Power nuclear power station in a controversy surrounding a increase in still births, blamed on radiation leakage. In March 1979, he was involved again with the power companies who had problems with the Three Mile Island incident, and he claims to have had a hand in writing the official government report on this affair. He was also a consultant to the land developers in the Love Canal incident (toxic substances used in landfill), and later to the Chlorine Institute and paper manufacturers (dioxins and other chlorine-based chemicals in drinking water, causing mutations of fish, among other things), and still later on some pesticide and herbicide cases. He surfaced again when Agent Orange created a problem for Dow Chemicals and other chemical companies, and now we find him once more performing research and interpreting scientific reports over the recent silicone breast implant controversy. You?ve got to admit that this record is quite impressive. In his spare time over the years his biography claims the became a lawyer (J.D.) through the George Washington University, a lecturer at the Georgetown University, a speaker and lecturer on ?Health Policy Issues Management?, and a prominent lecturer in Washington DC on ?The Nocebo Effect.? Here?s what his documentation says about the Nocebo Effect: In distinguishing the positive from the negative effects of belief, scientists use the term placebo, based on the Latin verb placere (to please), for positive effects and its opposite nocebo, based on the verb nocere (to harm). The phrase nocebo is also commonly used to refer to the negative placebo. Over the past two years, a small group of leading scientists, academicians, and professionals has initiated scientific inquiry into the nocebo phenomenon. Are nocebo effects having an impact on symptoms among Gulf War veterans, women with breast implants, users of cellular telephones, and consumers of fat substitutes and artificial sweeteners that some refer to as junk science? Experts from a variety of disciplines have been brought together for a series of scientific meetings to discuss what is known and what we need to know about nocebo effects and expectation mediated symptoms (EMS). The first meeting, The Negative Placebo (Nocebo): Its Scientific, Medical, and Public Health Implications, was sponsored by American Health Foundation in November 1995. As a follow-up on issues raised at this meeting, the National Institutes of Health, American Health Foundation, and The Institute for Science and Public Policy sponsored Placebo and Nocebo Effects: Developing a Research Agenda in December 1996. On 18 February 1997, an entire day will be dedicated to evaluating the wide ranging implications specific to the nocebo phenomenon and EMS at A Breakthrough Workshop on Nocebo (Negative Placebo) Effects and Expectation Mediated Symptoms. --- Notes: The AMF is run by Ernst Wynder, an associate of both George Carlo in the tobacco industry research area. The Institute for Science and Public Policy is a fake institute owned and controlled by Carlo. It is fairly obvious where they come from and where they are going with all of this, and it seems to be a Carlo initiative. He now runs an organisation called the Safety Wirless Initiative, and consults to various companies offering 'protective mechanisms' See --------- 4. I wrote a three-part piece on Carlo which you can still find somewhere on the Internet by searching for "Dr George Carlo and the WTR" 5. There's also my submission to the UK House of Commons in which I mention George and the Nocebo effect, if you've got a few hours to waste. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 11 13:04:00 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:04:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <200701110106.l0B16HWu026958@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Karl says: > None of this requires a "soul" to explain. As soon as you admit the > existence of a "mental state" you are allowing a distinction between > body and mind Yes, but the distinction proves nothing. I am quite happy to distinguish between body and mind, and I will even accept the term "soul" in the same way as I accept "Leprechauns" without having to also accept that they are real. With body and mind, one is a consequence of the other -- unless you believe in magic or souls. The problem with all this placebo/nocebo discussion is that the promoters of these ideas, very often don't define their terms For instance, if placebo just means that the patient feels better having been given a pill, then why not say so. Why give it a fancy medical term? Similarly, if nocebo just refers to the psychological effects, then call it hypochondria or irrational-fear, or whatever. The use of the term in a medical context implies a real physical change. Yet if you read most of this stuff, there's no evidence of any physical change. There is a claim about some Boston women who were interviewed to ascertain how long they thought they had to live. Those who predicted a short life-span died at a much higher rate than those who thought they had many years to live. This is often promoted as evidence of the nocebo effect. Of course, it could also just be a rational realistic assessment of their current health. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From link at todd.inoz.com Thu Jan 11 13:27:08 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:27:08 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Digital Culture Talk on Second Life, 14 February 2007, Canberra In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070111132431.0220cc18@wheresmymailserver.com> I just have to wonder with the complex lives we live today, trying ot keep up with ever changing laws, interest rates, increasing rents, water shortages, war here, war there, oil prices, bananas and every increasing costly MUST HAVE technology, why ANYONE would want to have a second life in a virtual world! Is it to escape reality? Will we all soon be attached to computers more so than we are today, earning a living in Linden Dollars by pressing buttons on computers and making Avtars do the work? Where will our sustenance come from? Perhaps the process of having an IV line attached to your arm and a bottle at the front door of your ever reducing in size home (who needs a yard and space when you can close your eyes and think it!) where it will be filled with processed protein and glucose fluids pumped to you the way water is today? Scary huh? I call it "Faction" Reality is often stranger than fiction and in this day, it's hard to create fiction that hasn't been based on something from the past. 40 years ago, SciFi stories specialised in gadgets never before seen. Now the gadgets are appearing faster than the script writers can think them up! At 03:14 PM 10/01/2007, Tom Worthington wrote: >This is in the same series as Vic Elliott's talk on academic publishing >. >Recommended: > >>NLA Digital Culture talks: >> >>Flying Librarians of Oz: What's the fuss about Second Life and what's it >>got to do with libraries? >> >>Second Life is an online virtual community created by its residents and >>run by Linden Labs. Over two million people have registered: Dell >>Computing, Adidas, Harvard Law School and the United States Congress all >>have a presence there. ... >> >>Kathryn Greenhill, a librarian at Murdoch University Library in Western >>Australia, co-ordinates the Australian Libraries Building. She will >>provide a guided tour of the Australian Libraries Building and discuss >>some of the benefits to librarians of having a Second Life. See >>http://secondlife.com/ >> >>Time: 12.30 to 13.30 >>Date: Wednesday, 14 February 2007 >>Venue: Library Theatre >>Entry: Free >>Speaker: Kathryn Greenhill, Librarian, Murdoch University Library, >>Western Australia >>Introduced by Matthew Stuckings, Reader Services Branch, National Library >>of Australia >> >>Bobby Graham >>Web Content Manager >>Web Publishing Branch, IT Division >>National Library of Australia >>Tel: +61 2 6262 1542 >>www.nla.gov.au > > > > >Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 >Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 >PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ >Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml > >_______________________________________________ >Link mailing list >Link at mailman.anu.edu.au >http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From link at todd.inoz.com Thu Jan 11 14:32:36 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:32:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Digital Culture Talk on Second Life, 14 February 2007, Canberra In-Reply-To: <45A5A362.7040509@lannet.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <6.2.0.14.0.20070111132431.0220cc18@wheresmymailserver.com> <45A5A362.7040509@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070111143132.03ae5370@wheresmymailserver.com> At 01:39 PM 11/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >>Will we all soon be attached to computers more so than we are today, >>earning a living in Linden Dollars by pressing buttons on computers and >>making Avtars do the work? > >...well you can already make them have sex... :) Yes but no one does that in the real world any more anyway. Adult "meeting sites" are for people to express their fantasies and desires, but rarely do meetings and "sex" take place. >>Where will our sustenance come from? Perhaps the process of having an IV >>line attached to your arm and a bottle at the front door of your ever >>reducing in size home (who needs a yard and space when you can close your >>eyes and think it!) where it will be filled with processed protein and >>glucose fluids pumped to you the way water is today? > >probably something like the dotcom effect - all input with no prospect of >output. Sounds like the Australian Federal Government and the New South Wales State Government. From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Thu Jan 11 15:58:16 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:58:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <1ED2F5AD-4710-4B97-B92C-58FBEEF246E9@itrundle.com> References: <1ED2F5AD-4710-4B97-B92C-58FBEEF246E9@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <92627B24-EF33-4923-BE86-57FBAAF1F3B7@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 11/01/2007, at 10:20 AM, Ivan Trundle wrote: > But that's altogether different. And harder to avoid. But I would > assume that migration of data to the central server(s) would be > managed by individual agencies, and that places where duplicate > records were held could be streamlined somewhat. > My gut feeling is that duplication on different servers is good. > > I thoroughly dislike, as a consumer/taxpayer, having to assess > which is the best location to find information, and in any event, > there is simply too much of it about to make sense of it much of > the time (less is more). That's why I like the centralised index then you don't need to worry if there ar 1, 2 100 or 1000 physical servers. Tony Feral Librarian | http://tony-barry.emu.id.au P: 02 6241 7659 | tony at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au M: 04 1242 0397 | tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Thu Jan 11 16:13:20 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:13:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/01/2007, at 10:21 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > The problem here is the old one of causality. Surely, unless you > believe > the 'mind' is something non-physical -- eg a soul -- then it is the > body > that effects the mental state, rather than the other way around. The mind is to the body as waves are to water. Each involves an illusion. The water in a wave essentially moves vertically but the wave moves horisontally. The mind appears as something we are aware of when most of it is not conscious and comprises a pattern of electro-chemical processes in axons and dendrites and between them not a thing. I saw a neat comparison recently that if you believe that the human mind exists outside the mind and after the death of the mind you should believe the same of digestion and the intestines. Who knows? Perhaps our digestion goes to the great guts in the sky after we die. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 11 16:12:48 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:12:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Digital Culture Talk on Second Life, 14 February 2007, Canberra In-Reply-To: <45A583E0.1060305@pacific.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <5ii0ro$24uhq5@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <45A583E0.1060305@pacific.net.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$252eqq@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 11:25 AM 11/01/2007, you wrote: > > Sugar Plum Fairies. Hilarious! It's on YouTube. They were not amused.... > >awww, give us the link! gee you guys are lazy! google is a marvelous invention!! even searching YouTube with Second Life and penis should get you close... Oops! sorry, it's on Google video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5387867190768022577&q=Anshe+Chun Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 11 16:22:02 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:22:02 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: <200701110106.l0B16HWu026958@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 01:04 PM 11/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >For instance, if placebo just means that the patient feels better having >been given a pill, then why not say so. Why give it a fancy medical term? at least it's not an acronym >Similarly, if nocebo just refers to the psychological effects, then call it >hypochondria or irrational-fear, or whatever. I hadn't heard this before, but it doesn't mean fear or hypochondria. It means taking medicine that should work, but doesn't because the person expects it not to. Placebos used in blind studies employ inert substances - sugar pills for example - and the placebo effect is the statistical part of the sample who get better even when they take those and not the treatment with the active ingredient. Whether or not it's the body healing itself or a psychological predisposition because the person thinks they are taking an active medicine is of course debatable. Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Thu Jan 11 16:39:31 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 16:39:31 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Canadian spy coins Message-ID: <5ii0ro$252oi1@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070111/ap_on_hi_te/spy_coins Defense workers warned about spy coins By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer 53 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Can the coins jingling in your pocket trace your movements? The Defense Department is warning its American contractor employees about a new espionage threat seemingly straight from Hollywood: It discovered Canadian coins with tiny radio frequency transmitters hidden inside. In a U.S. government report, it said the mysterious coins were found planted on U.S. contractors with classified security clearances on at least three separate occasions between October 2005 and January 2006 as the contractors traveled through Canada. [snip] Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From planetjim at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 17:49:44 2007 From: planetjim at gmail.com (jim birch) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:49:44 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <200701110106.l0B16HWu026958@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <39e534e70701102249p69d9823cg6e9bc25aeb059095@mail.gmail.com> On 11/01/07, Jan Whitaker wrote: > > At 01:04 PM 11/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: > >For instance, if placebo just means that the patient feels better having > >been given a pill, then why not say so. Why give it a fancy medical > term? at least it's not an acronym It's not just the patient (reporting) feeling better. Observable physiological changes are common. Some conditions respond much more than others to placebos, and to other treatments without a direct causal action, such as meditation, hot baths, and spells. For example, the innate (ie genetically programmed) immune system responds much more to these things than the slower adaptive immune system. Colds respond more than broken legs. Because the placebo effect can be so strong, the baseline of a medical treatment is not that it has a statistically significant effect but that the effect is greater than a placebo. Hence a double blind trial compares the treatment not to no treatment but to a placebo. It's pretty well established that just putting a person in a medical trial will be likely produce a relative improvement to their condition even if they are given no real treatment. Ideally, medical practice would maximise these placebo-like effects (i) because they may aid healing, and (ii) because placebos are less likely to have harmful side effects. (Or, if they do, it's harder to nail the doctor!) Unfortunately, in these days of ethics committees and informed consent, doctors are less likely to ascribe wildly efficacious potential to medically inert substances. On the positive side, we live in a period of history when there's a reasonable chance doctors may actually be able to do something positive for most medical complaints, so the placebo effect gets a guernsey anyway. But there's also the (true) story of a double blind trial of a new birth control pill, several of the subjects who were given the placebo experienced a highly negative side-effect: pregnancy. The doctor apologised but was prohibited by the relevant US state law from offering corrective abortions. Jim From adrian at creative.net.au Thu Jan 11 17:58:34 2007 From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:58:34 +0800 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <200701110106.l0B16HWu026958@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <20070111065833.GF8593@skywalker.creative.net.au> On Thu, Jan 11, 2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 01:04 PM 11/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: > >For instance, if placebo just means that the patient feels better having > >been given a pill, then why not say so. Why give it a fancy medical term? > > at least it's not an acronym > > >Similarly, if nocebo just refers to the psychological effects, then call it > >hypochondria or irrational-fear, or whatever. > > I hadn't heard this before, but it doesn't mean fear or hypochondria. > It means taking medicine that should work, but doesn't because the > person expects it not to. Placebos used in blind studies employ inert > substances - sugar pills for example - and the placebo effect is the > statistical part of the sample who get better even when they take > those and not the treatment with the active ingredient. Whether or > not it's the body healing itself or a psychological predisposition > because the person thinks they are taking an active medicine is of > course debatable. ISTR stuff popping up in class about the reactions of patients who -know- they're taking the sugar pills being different to those who don't know either way and are actually taking sugar pills. (Again, I wonder if there's any hard research on it..) Adrian From kim.holburn at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 18:57:52 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:57:52 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Link Digest, Vol 170, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5EFC2F64-8157-4408-9562-9430AE72C57A@gmail.com> I guess the whole thing comes down to mind involvement. The reason drug companies go to such lengths to rule out placebo, and are forced to use double blind studies, which are not simple, is that the patients' knowledge or perhaps feeling or belief about the treatment they are getting seems to affect the success of the treatment. The reason for double blind studies is that even the doctor's knowledge about the treatment appears to be communicated subliminally to the patient enough to affect results. There is clearly some affect of "mind" here. You don't have to postulate anything non-physical for that. On 2007/Jan/11, at 2:19 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > In reply to my statement >> >>> There's no evidence that the bones of a depressive take longer to >>> mend than >>> the bones of an eternal optimist. If there were, hospitals would >>> load their >>> patients up with a good high dose of morphine or opium to enlist >>> euphoria >>> and hasten the healing process. > > Kim replies >> >> Actually, it's called a medically induced coma and they do do it. >> Most healing is effected by the immune system and takes place during >> sleep so there are good reasons for doing it. > > > I would have thought the coma is evidence of exactly the opposite > -- which > is what I was saying. Being in a coma or being asleep clearly > removes the > mind, or the person's positive attitude, or will-power, or whatever > you want > to call it, from contention as a curing mechanism. The less the > conscious > brain activity, the better. I'm not sure that being asleep removes the mind. Everything that makes up the mind doesn't evaporate during sleep, it's all still there. None of this requires "conscious" control in fact most of it seems unconscious and body healing is mostly done during sleep which would seem to indicate that unconsciousness is a requirement for healing. It still seems that attitude or belief has some place in the process, not sure why though. >> Remember there is also the nocebo effect so to get placebo or nocebo >> there must be some brain involvement. > > The promotion of the nocebo idea (that you can make yourself > actually ill by > worrying about things) was promoted by (if not originated by) two very > dubious scientists in Washington in the early 1980s (George Carlo > and Ernst > Wynder), and by the neo-con lobby group they were both associated with > called the Washington Legal Foundation (funded by tobacco, cellphone > companies and some others). Thanks for your stuff on nocebo. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Thu Jan 11 18:53:04 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:53:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] RFID on popular TV Message-ID: <5ii0ro$2547d1@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> On Numbers, channel 10 tonight, 9:30: Don and his team investigate a school shooting. He learns two students could have a strong motive, so Charlie uses the school's radio frequency identification system to track the shooters' movements through the school's hallways. Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 11 20:02:04 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:02:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] brain/healing stuff In-Reply-To: <5EFC2F64-8157-4408-9562-9430AE72C57A@gmail.com> References: <5EFC2F64-8157-4408-9562-9430AE72C57A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$254rho@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 06:57 PM 11/01/2007, Kim Holburn wrote: >seems unconscious and body healing is mostly done during sleep which >would seem to indicate that unconsciousness is a requirement for >healing. It still seems that attitude or belief has some place in >the process, not sure why though. I have a theory (now, stop groaning, linkers!). The brain uses an unbelievable amount of our energy (calories/kilojoules) intake per day. So when we sleep, the brain and the body are less active, so the brain recharges and body repairs are taking place because we aren't moving as much and we certainly aren't thinking. Does that make sense? (waiting for Tony's directive to move this to unlink -- but of course this is probably still the final stages of silly season, so maybe he's not so concerned, but I'd imagine some members are) Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From rw at firstpr.com.au Thu Jan 11 21:48:52 2007 From: rw at firstpr.com.au (Robin Whittle) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:48:52 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs? Message-ID: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> I have a fixed IP address Internode ADSL service, which uses Telstra's DSLAM at the local exchange building. My current plan is 1500 kbps downstream and 256 kbps upstream (although real rates are a little below this due to protocol overhead) with a 10 GB/month download limit. This costs $79.95 and has been very reliable, since May. The two outages were server or router problems which affected the whole of Internode. Until now, I understood that Telstra capped the rate of its ADSL services - the ones it retailed and those it wholesales to Internode etc. - to 1.5Mbps, even though the DSLAM and modem might be able to go to 6 or 8 Mbps. Does anyone know the politics of this? I guess the old limit was to stop people downloading videos too fast and competing with Foxtel - or maybe as part of jockeying for the need to do VDSL (AKA Fibre to the Node). Now those limits are gone. http://www.internode.on.net/adsl/pricing/soho.php My old plan seems to be represented by "SOHO-1500-Power10" and is $10 cheaper. For $10 more ($89.95) I can get the same 10 GB/month limit with speeds up to 8 Mbps downstream and 384 kbps upstream: "SOHO-High-Power10". Extra 10 Gigs per month cost about $10, so this is 0.1 cents per Megabyte. I won't get 8Mbps, since the exchange building is quite a few km away, but I recall the modem (D-Link DSL 502T, based on an impressive Texas Instruments chip) was reporting a speed well above 1.5 Mbps when I initialised it. I don't think I can do that with the modem in its current configuration. SFTP from my server in San Francisco runs at about 85kBps (680kbps). The limit there might be the long distance and TCP taking a while to adapt to the large window of data in transit - but I didn't see it moving much faster as time went on. Downloading a bz2 file from http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au runs at about 137 kBps with Mozilla on Windows and 155 kbps with wget on a Linux machine. Running two such processes, on the same file, on two machines leads to about the same total download rate split between them. Running one mirror.aarnet.edu.au wget process and one SFTP process from the San Francisco server, it was clear that one affected the other, with the total speed being around 155kB/s. This is 1.24Mbps, which is not bad considering TCP protocol overhead and the ADSL modem protocols of PPP over Ethernet, using ATM within the ADSL system. So it seems this limit is that of the ADSL link, presumably set in Telstra's DSLAM. I signed up for the "up to 8 Mbps downstream and 384 kbps upstream" plan. Supposedly the new speed will be available in an hour. I will unplug the ADSL modem to be sure. - Robin From kim.holburn at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 21:49:28 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:49:28 +0100 Subject: [LINK] brain/healing stuff In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$254rho@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5EFC2F64-8157-4408-9562-9430AE72C57A@gmail.com> <5ii0ro$254rho@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: On 2007/Jan/11, at 10:02 AM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 06:57 PM 11/01/2007, Kim Holburn wrote: >> seems unconscious and body healing is mostly done during sleep which >> would seem to indicate that unconsciousness is a requirement for >> healing. It still seems that attitude or belief has some place in >> the process, not sure why though. > > I have a theory (now, stop groaning, linkers!). The brain uses an > unbelievable amount of our energy (calories/kilojoules) intake per > day. So when we sleep, the brain and the body are less active, so > the brain recharges and body repairs are taking place because we > aren't moving as much and we certainly aren't thinking. Does that > make sense? Thinking and being awake and especially being physically active, use a lot of energy so when we sleep the body can devote a lot of energy to the immune system and other healing activities. In sports medicine it's well known that if you are ill, a great deal of your daily energy quota is devoted to your immune system and other healing tasks and you don't have so much for being active, in the worst cases maybe none at all. The brain does not stop in sleep. During a coma or an operation with a general anaesthetic the brain is still (sometimes) listening to what is being said around it. > (waiting for Tony's directive to move this to unlink -- but of > course this is probably still the final stages of silly season, so > maybe he's not so concerned, but I'd imagine some members are) > > Jan > > > Jan Whitaker > JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria > jwhit at janwhitaker.com > business: http://www.janwhitaker.com > personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ > commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ > > 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, > there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 > _ __________________ _ > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From kim.holburn at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 01:17:30 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:17:30 +0100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <200701110106.l0B16HWu026958@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <819A0BCB-FB5F-4FB5-B0BA-131E6DE0543C@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/11, at 6:22 AM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 01:04 PM 11/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >> For instance, if placebo just means that the patient feels better >> having >> been given a pill, then why not say so. Why give it a fancy >> medical term? > > at least it's not an acronym > >> Similarly, if nocebo just refers to the psychological effects, >> then call it >> hypochondria or irrational-fear, or whatever. > > I hadn't heard this before, but it doesn't mean fear or > hypochondria. It means taking medicine that should work, but > doesn't because the person expects it not to. It means taking medicine that should work or have no effect and it has a negative affect. > Placebos used in blind studies employ inert substances - sugar > pills for example - and the placebo effect is the statistical part > of the sample who get better even when they take those and not the > treatment with the active ingredient. And the part of those who take the active ingredient and get better by themselves anyway. > Whether or not it's the body healing itself or a psychological > predisposition because the person thinks they are taking an active > medicine is of course debatable. There is real healing taking place and that is part of where the problem is. The body can heal itself pretty well, in fact it does so most of the time without or in spite of intervention. The other problem with placebos is that the placebo healing seems to take place "because the patients believe they are taking medicine that will cure them". If they know they are taking a placebo it has no effect or much less. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From stephen at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 12 02:07:18 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 02:07:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: References: <200701100551.l0A5pGRZ013919@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070112015743.01b6b440@melbpc.org.au> At 10:24 AM 11/01/2007, Stewart wrote: >Alan writes: >> >> Effect \Ef*fect"\, v. > >Since we are talking about the possibility of EMF changes in brain activity, >maybe the correct word is "infect" Which, said by a New Zealander regards mobiles, you'd assert, impossible. Cheers, Stephen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/622 - Release Date: 10/01/2007 2:52 PM From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Fri Jan 12 07:15:03 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:15:03 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Link Digest, Vol 170, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <5EFC2F64-8157-4408-9562-9430AE72C57A@gmail.com> References: <5EFC2F64-8157-4408-9562-9430AE72C57A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1D8BB39A-B60C-4931-8987-826A697707AB@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 11/01/2007, at 6:57 PM, Kim Holburn wrote: > There is clearly some affect of "mind" here. You don't have to > postulate anything non-physical for that. Feedback loops. Hormones and neurotransmitters affect mental states. Mental states alter production of hormones and neurotransmitters. Both affect other bodily systems. And the external environment can change the equation. It's not rocket science to know that the effects on your health will be different if you are in Guantanamo Bay or the bosom of your family all other things being equal. Stress affect mood, mood affects health. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Fri Jan 12 07:18:20 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:18:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] brain/healing stuff In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$254rho@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5EFC2F64-8157-4408-9562-9430AE72C57A@gmail.com> <5ii0ro$254rho@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4EA1DA35-133C-42CD-B9D7-29B353DF1B3E@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 11/01/2007, at 8:02 PM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > The brain uses an unbelievable amount of our energy (calories/ > kilojoules) intake per day. 20% of the bodies energy > So when we sleep, the brain and the body are less active, so the > brain recharges and body repairs are taking place because we aren't > moving as much and we certainly aren't thinking. Does that make sense? > Lots of ideas and theories at > (waiting for Tony's directive to move this to unlink -- but of > course this is probably still the final stages of silly season, so > maybe he's not so concerned, but I'd imagine some members are) An interesting discussion. I got sucked in but I guess we should unlink it. The unlink list is run by macjordomo software. To subscribe to unlink send the following message to macjordomo at tony-barry.emu.id.au - SUBSCRIBE unlink Your_FirstName Your_LastName Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From brd at iimetro.com.au Fri Jan 12 07:56:00 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:56:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK schools at risk of Microsoft lock-in, says government report Message-ID: <45A6A460.6040004@iimetro.com.au> UK schools at risk of Microsoft lock-in, says government report 11th January 2007 By Matthew Aslett CBR Online http://www.cbronline.com/article_news_print.asp?guid=BDD20D68-FDBF-4E1C-BA77-BBA4B7CA6061 UK schools and colleges that have signed up to Microsoft Corp's academic licensing programs face the 'significant potential' of being locked in to the company's software, according to an interim review by the UK government agency responsible for technology in education. The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency (Becta) report also states that most establishments surveyed do not believe that Microsoft's licensing agreements provide value for money, while a separate review has recommended against the deployment of Vista and Office 2007 -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From brd at iimetro.com.au Fri Jan 12 07:56:06 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:56:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] [UK] Government agency tells schools to shun Vista Message-ID: <45A6A466.2080606@iimetro.com.au> Government agency tells schools to shun Vista ZDNet.com http://www.zdnet.co.uk/misc/print/0,1000000169,39285414-39001068c,00.htm Education agency has urged schools not to deploy Microsoft's Vista operating system. In a surprise criticism of Microsoft, the government's schools computer agency has warned that deploying Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear. Becta, the British Educational Communications and Technology Agency, said on Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's latest operating system within the next 12 months. And in a further dig at Microsoft, Becta argues there are no "must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and organisational challenges associated with early deployment currently make this [Vista] a high-risk strategy." -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From cas at taz.net.au Fri Jan 12 08:38:40 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:38:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs? In-Reply-To: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> Message-ID: <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 09:48:52PM +1100, Robin Whittle wrote: > Until now, I understood that Telstra capped the rate of its ADSL > services - the ones it retailed and those it wholesales to Internode > etc. - to 1.5Mbps, even though the DSLAM and modem might be able to go > to 6 or 8 Mbps. > > Does anyone know the politics of this? I guess the old limit was to > stop people downloading videos too fast and competing with Foxtel - or > maybe as part of jockeying for the need to do VDSL (AKA Fibre to the > Node). the old limit probably had more to do with not undercutting demand for their corporate plans. you need high speed upload to run any kind of hosting and/or internet service business/web site. if ADSL is fast enough, that will eat into sales of their corporate services with faster upload - even without the same reliability or Service Level Agreement (SLA): ADSL is pretty much on a best-effort basis. SDSL and other corporate plans are generally provided with a contracted guarantee of quality and reliability. also because Telstra (like any Telco) sees high-speed broadband as the death of their traditional cash cow, overpriced landline voice calls. it's happening already, with VOIP providers springing up all over the place. they know it's inevitable....but they're going to drag their heels as long as possible to milk the last cents possible out of it while they still can. > Now those limits are gone. well, not quite gone. ADSL1 is capable of up to 8Mbps down, and up to 1Mbps up (depending on distance from exchange, quality of copper line, quality of modem, etc). Telstra is still limiting ADSL to 384Kbps up (presumably also so that ADSL doesn't compete against their other plans - 1Mbps up is enough for a reasonable hosting business*, 384K is less so) Telstra has also enabled ADSL2 (up to 24Mbps down and 1 or 2MBps up) on some exchanges. unfortunately, even though their DSLAMs in most exchanges are capable of ADSL2 (it hasn't been possible for ISPs/telcos to buy new ADSL1-only DSLAMs for a few years now), they have only enabled it in exchanges where other ISPs (iinet, internode, a few others) have already installed ADSL2 DSLAMs. * OTOH, anyone with more sense than dollars would co-locate their hosting servers (or rent servers) in the US. cheap, fast bandwidth, and lots of it. craig ps: my new ISP (greentreefrog.net.au - i churned in mid-Dec after about 2.5 years with the previous ISP) will be set up for the almost-uncapped ADSL1 sometime this month. $99/month for 8M down/384K up, and 80GB quota. my current speed is 512/128 with 40GB quota for $55/month. i'll be upgrading when it's available. i could have upgraded to 1500/256 in the interim, but then i'd be paying two upgrade fees...i can wait. the ISP also says that they're negotiating a deal as an Optus DSLDirect (ULL) reseller, and that should be available on my exchange (coburg) in a few months. that will allow me to upgrade to ADSL2 for the same price, and optionally let me churn my voice number over, with no monthly line rental charges, saving the $19.95/month i currently pay for Telstra's HomeLine Budget rental plan (actually, i'll save that twice because i still have a dedicated adsl line also costing me $19.95/month in line rental - a historical legacy from when that was my modem line. i'll be able to get rid of both of them). he also does some VOIP stuff. i'm vaguely interested in that but only so that i can play with asterisk (i want to block phone spammers) - i make so few voice calls that i really don't care how much they cost. line rental is more of a concern to me than call costs (i was paying $39.95/month line rental on both lines until i jumped through telstra's hoops to switch them over to the budget plan - they make it difficult....it's the ONLY rental plan which is NOT available for ordering on their website and their call-centre staff are obviously trained to talk you out of it unless you really insist that you want it). anyway, so i'm paying 30cents per local call on the budget plan. big deal. i'd have to make many hundreds of calls per month to even come close to what the old rental was costing me. and i have my mobile with its $29 cap for any STD or mobile calls i might need to make. back to adsl: i expect i'd get the full speed (or very close to) from either service, i'm in the inner city and less than a kilometer from my exchange. -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Fri Jan 12 09:39:39 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:39:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] UK government to create 'super websites' In-Reply-To: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> References: <8558566B-F73F-4A4C-A2E5-7BB5478EF96B@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070111095425.019e8788@tomw.net.au> At 10:12 PM 1/10/2007, Ivan Trundle wrote: >This appeared on Kable's website tonight: http://www.kablenet.com/ > >... "This report demonstrates how millions of >people are benefiting from our use of technology >every day. ... a Cabinet Office spokesperson ... >"The Cabinet Office alone has made an annual >saving of ?174,000 by closing all of its >websites apart from its corporate website. ... What worked for one small policy agency (the UK Cabinet Office) may not work across the whole of government. Having a mismatch between who does the web pages and the functions they are about risks embarrassing and expensive mistakes. The Australian Government has a better approach with its Australian Government Online Service Point . This uses a "federated" approach between the agencies. Those bits which can be usefully coordinated are, but leaving each agency to look after its own detailed content. It sounds messy, but avoids unnecessary duplication of effort and extra layers of coordination. ps: UK Civil Servants will be able to study my units on this topic, as soon as I get Moodle to work . ;-) Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From kauer at biplane.com.au Fri Jan 12 09:40:50 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:40:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <819A0BCB-FB5F-4FB5-B0BA-131E6DE0543C@gmail.com> References: <200701110106.l0B16HWu026958@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <5ii0ro$252gkn@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <819A0BCB-FB5F-4FB5-B0BA-131E6DE0543C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168555250.1822.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 15:17 +0100, Kim Holburn wrote: > The body can heal itself pretty well, in fact it does so > most of the time without or in spite of intervention. A friend of mine, an orthopaedic surgeon who was head honcho at a Melbourne hospital for a while, once said that "doctors and the medical profession cannot heal so much as a single cell. All they can do is improve the position for the cells to heal themselves". Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 12 10:25:36 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:25:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Double Blind Trials (Was to do with EMF) Message-ID: The reason why double blind trial are used, is not because of the placebo effect, but because it is vitally important to rule out overt and covert influence in recording the results by the investigator. It is a problem of the 'witness' not the patient. It is well known that investigators who believe in the efficacy of a new drug will either consciously/deliberately or unconsciously err on the side of recording positive results. Blind trials exist to stop this trend. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Fri Jan 12 11:45:02 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:45:02 +1100 Subject: [LINK] using the net for promotion of a comedian Message-ID: <5ii0ro$25daeh@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Just listening to a repeat of an interview with a Canadian/Indian comedian, Russell Peters, who came to Australia to do shows. He just said that before he came, the promoters set aside $20K to advertise. This guy said save the money, and let him do something first. They sent out emails to 80 to 90 fans who had written to him from here. Sold 10,000 tickets! Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From rw at firstpr.com.au Fri Jan 12 13:10:16 2007 From: rw at firstpr.com.au (Robin Whittle) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:10:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs? In-Reply-To: <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> Despite the website telling me the new speed would be available in an hour, the speed hasn't changed yet. I called Internode and they said it would take 2 to 3 days, to notify Telstra. I will report back when the change happens. Craig, I tend to agree with all you wrote. It wouldn't surprise me if the DSLAMs were ADSL2 in many exchanges, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were only enabled to do ADSL2 where there was competition. However, I don't have any reason, other than your report, for thinking this is the case. Hosting from an ADSL line would be fine for some applications, but for USD$69 a month you can have your own server: http://www.ev1servers.net/Dedicated/RTG/servers/valuextreme.aspx with a 750 GB/month limit and a 10Mbps link to the Net. I have a server at the same price (which was a special), at http://www.servepath.net in San Francisco. It has less RAM and a slower CPU, with 500 GB/month with 4 IP addresses. This server has been good since I got it in February 2005: only one freeze about a year ago. It is currently running FreeBSD 5.3 but I intend to change it over to Debian, since I can't figure out a straightforward way of doing security updates for FreeBSD. - Robin From cas at taz.net.au Fri Jan 12 13:50:58 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:50:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs? In-Reply-To: <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> Message-ID: <20070112025057.GX26390@taz.net.au> On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 01:10:16PM +1100, Robin Whittle wrote: > Craig, I tend to agree with all you wrote. It wouldn't surprise me if > the DSLAMs were ADSL2 in many exchanges, it's a matter of undisputed fact. even Helen Coonan is aware of it - and if the minister knows, then everyone else did long ago. > and it wouldn't surprise me if they were only enabled to do ADSL2 > where there was competition. well, that's factually correct (Telstra's ADSL2 *IS* only enabled where there's competition), but the reason for that is hotly disputed by Telstra. Telstra claims it's because they're scared the ACCC will force them to make it available wholesale at a reasonable price if they turn it on everywhere (even though the ACCC has said on several occasions that they wont*). in reality, they're just not that interested in provided high speed broadband, so they're just using it as a weapon to attack competitors. * personally, i think that the ACCC *should* do exactly that, and do it regardless of whether Telstra turns it on at all exchanges or just as an anti-competitive tactic. > However, I don't have any reason, other than your report, for thinking > this is the case. check out whirlpool. if you have the time to sort out the dross, there's quite a lot of useful & interesting information to be found there. > Hosting from an ADSL line would be fine for some applications, like brochureware web sites....or about 80+% of all the $10-$20/month web sites in existence. > but for USD$69 a month you can have your own server: > > http://www.ev1servers.net/Dedicated/RTG/servers/valuextreme.aspx > > with a 750 GB/month limit and a 10Mbps link to the Net. I have a server yep, and that's not even the cheapest available. of course, you get what you pay for - cheaper isn't necessarily better (or even as good). > at the same price (which was a special), at http://www.servepath.net in > San Francisco. It has less RAM and a slower CPU, with 500 GB/month with > 4 IP addresses. This server has been good since I got it in February > 2005: only one freeze about a year ago. It is currently running FreeBSD > 5.3 but I intend to change it over to Debian, since I can't figure out a > straightforward way of doing security updates for FreeBSD. the freebsd ports system is nice, but it's a lot more hassle and a lot more time-consuming than 'apt-get dist-upgrade' craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From brendansweb at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 12 14:21:33 2007 From: brendansweb at optusnet.com.au (Brendan Scott) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:21:33 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 50pc of managers could be psychopaths: research In-Reply-To: <45A6F22D.5070407@lannet.com.au> References: <45A6F22D.5070407@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A6FEBD.1060402@optusnet.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > Perhaps this will add fuel to the fire that has been burning happily on > this list for the past few days. > > > http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1825713.htm > > British research suggests that up to 50 per cent of business managers > could have psychopathic or similar tendencies. > > The study carried out by the British Psychological Society says such > managers are often articulate and confident, but can be unpredictable, > self indulgent and lacking in empathy. > > Psychology Professor Adrian Furnham says manipulative characteristics > are often rewarded in the business world. > > "Beware of the following individual, the good looking, educated, > articulate and very bold and self confident leader," he said. > > "If somebody says to you 'I can take this company to the next level' > beware, it might be a manifestation of narcissism rather than ability." I remember reading (some time ago) a management article on "type 4" and "type 5" leaders (or somesuch). The (first?) promotes the growth of an organisation in a manner dependent on that person, the second promotes it in a manner which is independent of that person. Type 5 leaders are the better leaders to have... From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 12 15:00:31 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:00:31 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs? In-Reply-To: <20070112025057.GX26390@taz.net.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> <20070112025057.GX26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45A707DF.5080605@praxis.com.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > the freebsd ports system is nice, but it's a lot more hassle and a lot > more time-consuming than 'apt-get dist-upgrade' Upgrading is never that simple on a production box. You first have to create the same environment (pre upgrade) on a test server, then do your upgrades to that, test the whole mess and ensure nothing was broken by the upgrade, and finally: apt-get dist-upgrade Given that most of the time is taken in setting up and testing the upgrade, I don't see why it is that much harder to keep a BSD box up to date (Robin's words, not Craig's). cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? -- Richard Dawkins From cas at taz.net.au Fri Jan 12 15:37:51 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:37:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs? In-Reply-To: <45A707DF.5080605@praxis.com.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> <20070112025057.GX26390@taz.net.au> <45A707DF.5080605@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070112043751.GY26390@taz.net.au> On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 03:00:31PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > > >the freebsd ports system is nice, but it's a lot more hassle and a lot > >more time-consuming than 'apt-get dist-upgrade' > > Upgrading is never that simple on a production box. You first have > to create the same environment (pre upgrade) on a test server, then > do your upgrades to that, test the whole mess and ensure nothing > was broken by the upgrade, and finally: > > apt-get dist-upgrade well, kind of. yes and no. "yes", you need to test the upgrade first. and "no", you don't always have to replicate the exact environment on a test server. as long as you test that the stuff that the production server needs will continue working after the upgrade, that is (most of the time) enough. the more crucial the server, the more important it is to test thoroughly. > Given that most of the time is taken in setting up and testing the > upgrade, I don't see why it is that much harder to keep a BSD box up > to date (Robin's words, not Craig's). downloading and compiling source for each package that needs upgrading is time-consuming and a significant load on the system (CPU, disk, memory) - even if it's all automated by Makefiles as the BSD ports system is. in short, it's tedious - and time better spent on testing and/or configuring the packages. > Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? > We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? > -- Richard Dawkins i just finished his God Delusion book the other day. preaching to the choir, but an excellent book. it changed my mind about one thing: even moderate religion is dangerous, in that it provides a safe environment for lunatic religion to grow. recommended reading for anyone who's ever been tempted to believe in a personal creator god. of course, anyone who REALLY needs to read it wouldn't go anywhere near such a satanic piece of filth. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From rw at firstpr.com.au Fri Jan 12 15:43:43 2007 From: rw at firstpr.com.au (Robin Whittle) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:43:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Keeping FreeBSD up to date vs. Debian In-Reply-To: <45A707DF.5080605@praxis.com.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> <20070112025057.GX26390@taz.net.au> <45A707DF.5080605@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45A711FF.9000004@firstpr.com.au> In "Re: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs?" Rick Welykochy wrote: > Upgrading is never that simple on a production box. You first have > to create the same environment (pre upgrade) on a test server, then > do your upgrades to that, test the whole mess and ensure nothing > was broken by the upgrade, and finally: > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > Given that most of the time is taken in setting up and testing the > upgrade, I don't see why it is that much harder to keep a BSD box > up to date (Robin's words, not Craig's). I was referring not to setting up the operating system, but keeping it up-to-date in terms of security patches. I spent a long time trying to figure out a foolproof, simple, way of doing this with FreeBSD 5.3 - and didn't reach a good conclusion. I am not saying it can't be done - just that I couldn't find it after quite a few hours trying. Debian is simple: apt-get update (Updates the local database of applications which are available.) atp-get upgrade (Resolves dependencies, downloads and installs them.) The last time I changed the OS I rented this new, cheaper, server in parallel with the older one (running RedHat 7, I recall). This time, I will get them to install the new OS on the same machine and then set it up myself - so I expect the web sites will be off the air for a day or so. - Robin From brd at iimetro.com.au Fri Jan 12 15:45:51 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:45:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 50pc of managers could be psychopaths: research Message-ID: <45A7127F.2080507@iimetro.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > Perhaps this will add fuel to the fire that has been burning happily on > this list for the past few days. > > > http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1825713.htm > > British research suggests that up to 50 per cent of business managers > could have psychopathic or similar tendencies. Here's a suggestion relevant to the IT industry (it may apply to other industry, I can't comment" When someone becomes a manager (it may happen earlier but it often happens then) they lose touch with the skills and expertise of the people they are managing. This means that they are operating in a world where they don't adequately understand the details of what's happening. Or to put it another way, they lose touch with reality. http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc2415.htm Paranoid Schizophrenia Schizophrenia -one of the most damaging of all mental disorders- causes its victims to lose touch with reality. The number of projects I have worked on where the people in charge have no idea of the reality of the system being developed, yet make crucial, fundamental, project killing decisions is still growing. I find it most frustrating, but I don't think it is resulting in a mental disease. Although I could be wrong - my disease might manifest itself in repeatedly working in such environments hoping that the next time it will be different. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 12 16:13:48 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:13:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 50pc of managers could be psychopaths: research In-Reply-To: <45A7127F.2080507@iimetro.com.au> References: <45A7127F.2080507@iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$25gmhm@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 03:45 PM 12/01/2007, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: >This means that they are operating in a world where they don't >adequately understand the details of what's happening. Or to put it >another way, they lose touch with reality. Yes, it often is that way. Possibly this is due to the change in responsibilities that come with having to think about different issues than what you may have done in the 'skills' area. And the longer you're in management, the worse it gets because you can't possibly keep up with your specialty AND think broadly AND manage projects. That's why involvement and consultation is so important, but is seldom done. The assumption is that if you make 'the big bucks' you need to have all the answers, despite that impossibility. Catch 22. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Fri Jan 12 16:31:41 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:31:41 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <961F7894-B308-4D90-8CAB-4EE2EFBC381F@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 09/01/2007, at 12:47 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: > Am I the only one here old enough to remember the Club of Rome? Yes. I read their report in draft and commented on it suggesting that they should transfer the demand for oil to coal when the oil ran out. as a consequence they cut their figure for the lifetime of coal reserves. > Of > course, those weren't scientific tests, they were computer models. > Like > most of the "scientific" predictions of today. ALL mathematical based theories are models. Also as soon as you get away from anything trivial there are no exact analytic solutions and you have to go to numerical approximations. This means computers for anything other than the extremely simple. Then to top it all off any set of equations which aren't dead simple are chaotic and after a period of time the prediction will rapidly drift away from what the real world does because of the impossibility of pinning down the initial conditions. The key is doing a sensitivity analysis to have a handle on what the likely time into the future the prediction will hold. Even planetary dynamics are chaotic over a sufficiently long timescale. The Club of Rome said we could be in strife through a resource crisis, a food crisis or a pollution crisis around the end of the century depending what we did. They checked the sensitivity of the prediction with respect to resources and showed that a doubling(?) of reserves just moved the problem back a decade or two because of the nature of exponential growth. They refined the model twice since. Donella H Meadows, Dennis L Meadows and J?rgen Randers. "Beyond the limits: global collapse or a sustainable future". Earthscan, 1992 Donella Meadows, J?rgen Randers and Dennis Meadows. "Limits to growth; the 30-year update". Earthscan, 2005. Their conclusions overall haven't changed. The timeline has shifted back a few decades not unexpectedly and there is trouble coming a few decades ahead. Depending what we do it will be very nasty or only somewhat unpleasant for a time. Look where we are at now - Resources --------- Crude oil production will probably peak by 2015 and then start to decline with natural gas not to far behind. For many metals we are going to lower and lower quality ores. Pollution --------- Global warming Rapidly increasing dead zones in the oceans Ozone hole not decreasing as expected Inexplicable rise in cancers in the developed world Food ---- Soil depletion Rapid fall in the water tables in key grain growing areas which rely on ground water Per capita grain reserves lowest for 35 years Loss of crude oil will impact heavily on the green revolution The crunch is coming. If anybody wants to discuss this could we shift it to unlink. While I write this it is 40.8 degrees in my part of Canberra so I'm feeling a bit crabby. It was over 40 yesterday but there is a change coming although the storms appear to have gone to the south of us. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From kim.holburn at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 17:58:06 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:58:06 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Double Blind Trials (Was to do with EMF) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A39D81F-81B3-4A45-BBA0-48BF30E25B74@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/12, at 12:25 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > The reason why double blind trial are used, is not because of the > placebo > effect, but because it is vitally important to rule out overt and > covert > influence in recording the results by the investigator. > > It is a problem of the 'witness' not the patient. It is well known > that > investigators who believe in the efficacy of a new drug will either > consciously/deliberately or unconsciously err on the side of recording > positive results. > > Blind trials exist to stop this trend. I hadn't thought about it quite like that. Do you think then, that the placebo effect is just a virtual effect for the purposes of drug testing and not something that's really happening at all? Kim -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Fri Jan 12 18:32:06 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:32:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Double Blind Trials (Was to do with EMF) In-Reply-To: <9A39D81F-81B3-4A45-BBA0-48BF30E25B74@gmail.com> References: <9A39D81F-81B3-4A45-BBA0-48BF30E25B74@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A73976.2000806@ozemail.com.au> Kim Holburn wrote: > > On 2007/Jan/12, at 12:25 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > >> The reason why double blind trial are used, is not because of the >> placebo >> effect, but because it is vitally important to rule out overt and >> covert >> influence in recording the results by the investigator. >> >> It is a problem of the 'witness' not the patient. It is well known >> that >> investigators who believe in the efficacy of a new drug will either >> consciously/deliberately or unconsciously err on the side of recording >> positive results. >> >> Blind trials exist to stop this trend. > > > I hadn't thought about it quite like that. Do you think then, that > the placebo effect is just a virtual effect for the purposes of drug > testing and not something that's really happening at all? It's more complex than that. "Placebo effect" is, anyway, a pop-culture shorthand for a complex phenomenon. Summarising this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo (sorry to those who object to WP) 1) Drug and placebo are equally ineffective 2) Drug is effective but has nasty side effects. 3) Drug is ineffective *and* has nasty side effects And: 1) Side effects are noticable before the drug's desired effect 2) Side effects are slower So. What's perceived as a placebo effect may be: - the placebo doesn't cause side-effects, so people using the placebo report feeling better than those using the active drug - the subjects recognise that they're receiving a placebo (because of the lack of side effects), which effects how they report how they're feeling - the subjects genuinely can't tell, in which case the outputs of the study can be trusted ...and so on. Even in the double-blind test, the presence or absence of side-effects is a big marker to the recipient. Because this all gets shorthanded, people believe that there's a simple something called the 'placebo effect' which everybody knows about and has been proved and measured and so on. It's no such thing; it's a debateable artefact of measurement which may reflect patient psychology, or may reflect the way drug tests are conducted, or ... RC > > Kim > > -- > Kim Holburn > IT Network & Security Consultant > Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 > mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn > skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request > > Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. > -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 12 18:53:21 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:53:21 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 50pc of managers could be psychopaths: research In-Reply-To: <45A6F22D.5070407@lannet.com.au> References: <45A6F22D.5070407@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070112185131.033f5400@wheresmymailserver.com> Ohhh ,my wife will like that topic! Her feature film "Anatomy of a Psychath" based on true events from April/May 2003 and her Documentary "Don't Tell Bill" goes into the analysis and defining of Psychopaths. I did post a link here some months ago for people to do a Psychopath Survey by the only person studying psychopathy in Australia. It would be fun if everyone on Link took the test! And those can arrange an hour or two in Sydney to do the actually Skin Resistance testing :) A lot of fun! Let me know if you do, maybe wed can come and film it for the Documentary :) At 01:27 PM 12/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: > >Perhaps this will add fuel to the fire that has been burning happily on >this list for the past few days. > > >http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1825713.htm > >British research suggests that up to 50 per cent of business managers >could have psychopathic or similar tendencies. > >The study carried out by the British Psychological Society says such >managers are often articulate and confident, but can be unpredictable, >self indulgent and lacking in empathy. > >Psychology Professor Adrian Furnham says manipulative characteristics are >often rewarded in the business world. > >"Beware of the following individual, the good looking, educated, >articulate and very bold and self confident leader," he said. > >"If somebody says to you 'I can take this company to the next level' >beware, it might be a manifestation of narcissism rather than ability." >-- >Howard. >LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people >When you want a computer system that works, just choose Linux; >When you want a computer system that works, just, choose Microsoft. >-- >Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. > >_______________________________________________ >Link mailing list >Link at mailman.anu.edu.au >http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 12 19:00:20 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:00:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Double Blind Trials (Was to do with EMF) In-Reply-To: <45A73976.2000806@ozemail.com.au> References: <9A39D81F-81B3-4A45-BBA0-48BF30E25B74@gmail.com> <45A73976.2000806@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$25iaf7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 06:32 PM 12/01/2007, rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote: >it's a debateable artefact of measurement which may reflect patient >psychology, or may reflect the way drug tests are conducted, or ... may be a situation where the measures are NOT self-report, but are actual measures of healing of the body in terms of time or reduction in a tumour or production of some antibody or.... Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From adrian at creative.net.au Fri Jan 12 19:17:28 2007 From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:17:28 +0800 Subject: [LINK] Re: Double Blind Trials (Was to do with EMF) In-Reply-To: <45A73976.2000806@ozemail.com.au> References: <9A39D81F-81B3-4A45-BBA0-48BF30E25B74@gmail.com> <45A73976.2000806@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <20070112081728.GF8593@skywalker.creative.net.au> On Fri, Jan 12, 2007, rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote: > Even in the double-blind test, the presence or absence of side-effects > is a big marker to the recipient. And, if my psychology lectures serve me right, are attempted to be counted for by introducing similar side effects into the placebo drug. Adrian From fpilcher at netspeed.com.au Fri Jan 12 20:00:34 2007 From: fpilcher at netspeed.com.au (Fred Pilcher) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:00:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] using the net for promotion of a comedian In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$25daeh@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$25daeh@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <200701122000.34707.fpilcher@netspeed.com.au> Jan wrote: > Just listening to a repeat of an interview with a Canadian/Indian > comedian, Russell Peters, who came to Australia to do shows. He just > said that before he came, the promoters set aside $20K to advertise. > This guy said save the money, and let him do something first. They > sent out emails to 80 to 90 fans who had written to him from here. > Sold 10,000 tickets! Not surprised. A friend in the US told me that the Dresden Dolls were coming to Oz - I looked at the site - two days after the announcement all concerts were sold out. No (paid) advertising at all. Fred From fpilcher at netspeed.com.au Fri Jan 12 20:00:34 2007 From: fpilcher at netspeed.com.au (Fred Pilcher) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:00:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] using the net for promotion of a comedian In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$25daeh@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii0ro$25daeh@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <200701122000.34707.fpilcher@netspeed.com.au> Jan wrote: > Just listening to a repeat of an interview with a Canadian/Indian > comedian, Russell Peters, who came to Australia to do shows. He just > said that before he came, the promoters set aside $20K to advertise. > This guy said save the money, and let him do something first. They > sent out emails to 80 to 90 fans who had written to him from here. > Sold 10,000 tickets! Not surprised. A friend in the US told me that the Dresden Dolls were coming to Oz - I looked at the site - two days after the announcement all concerts were sold out. No (paid) advertising at all. Fred From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 12 22:25:18 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:25:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] World Domination 201 Message-ID: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> Fred Pilcher wrote: > An interesting treatise on the potential of Linux to take over the world by 2008. > http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html#id247970 Very interesting reading. There is quite a lot to digest but the gist of Linux World Domination 201 is that the desktop will not be ready for the 64-bit takeover that is coming up in December 2008 if Linux does not provide the FULL multi-media package, i.e. including Quicktime 7, Real Player, MP3 and other patented technologies. The solution that Raymond grudgingly admits is to (for the time being until certain patents expire) is to offer a not-quite-totally-free version of Linux and find a corporate sponsor to pay the the required licence fees. And he has done just that through Linspire and Freespire: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html#id288946 I had a read of the Freespire FAQ which touches on this very topic and it turns out there are now two free as in beer versions of Freespire, one which includes legal copies of proprietary codecs and device drivers, etc, and a complete OSS version which does not. The list of proprietary pieces to the puzzle that can make Linux a competitive and killer desktop is here: http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Summary_of_Proprietary_Components There are only 20 such pieces, i.e. less than 1% of the entire Freespire distro. And with those pieces, Freespire can now compete for the first time with Windows and Mac OS X. And of course, one can pruchase Linspire if full support is required. Has anyone tried Freespire? I am inspired to do so. It might just be the killer Debian distro. One would have to be an ultra-purist to forgo these 20 proprietary components and use a substandard multimedia desktop. But who am I to judge? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Does Bush check the Rapture Index daily, as Reagan did his stars? We don't know, but would anyone be surprised? -- Richard Dawkins From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 12 23:47:48 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:47:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Australia trials low-cost laptop Message-ID: <45A78374.8080301@praxis.com.au> The "One Laptop Per Child" program is to be trialled in Australia. The laptops cost approx $US 150 and run open source software. or Quotes from the article follow. cheers rickw ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Asher Moses January 12, 2007 - 11:07AM The One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project aims to put low-cost laptops into the hands of impoverished children in the developing world, but work is already underway to trial them among indigenous populations in Australia. The simple laptop, currently being built for around $US150 each, is the brainchild of MIT Media Lab and Nicholas Negroponte, who billed it as being revolutionary for children's education. ... "There are numerous other areas in Queensland, WA, SA, NSW, Vic and Tas that hold equal potential." Sharron Noske, deputy chief executive of planning and resources for the Northern Territory Department of Employment, Education and Training (DEET), said two samples were being tested to decide whether to go ahead with a trial program. "DEET is keen to look at an extended pilot where a whole class of students use the laptops for an extended period - to establish the learning benefits and identify the associated teaching strategies and resources required," she said. "If this pilot shows the outcomes DEET is seeking, then the department would consider a wider roll-out." For such a low cost, the OLPC laptop offers a rich array of features including a webcam, microphone, wireless networking, SD memory card slot and built-in speakers. ... Being open-source, the laptops are open to development by anyone worldwide, and there is a vast community contributing new features and fixing bugs, which are then incorporated into future "builds" of the laptop. In order to produce them for $US150 - the goal is to bring this price down to $US85 by 2010 - countries would need to order the laptops in one million unit batches. This poses difficulties for countries with smaller population sizes, such as Australia. Srikhanta said a viable solution would be to bring together a group of Asia Pacific countries for a bulk order which would then be split up and distributed. -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Web (hosting), security and high-performance computing are the three areas where Linux has more strength. -- Bob Muglia, senior VP in charge of Windows Server development From stephen at melbpc.org.au Sat Jan 13 00:26:06 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:26:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> Hi Tom and all, "IBM has poured many, many hours into (Second Life) to showcase what some at the giant US technology company believe could be a new way of doing business. It's no gimmick. Big Blue is serious .." > At 03:14 PM 10/01/2007, Tom writes: > >> Flying Librarians of Oz: What's the fuss about Second Life and what's >> it got to do with libraries? >> >> Second Life is an online virtual community created by its residents and >> run by Linden Labs. Over two million people registered: Dell Computing, >> Adidas, Harvard Law School and the United States Congress all have a >> presence there. ... >> >> Kathryn Greenhill, a librarian at Murdoch University Library in Western >> Australia, co-ordinates the Australian Libraries Building. She will provide >> a guided tour of the Australian Libraries Building and discuss some of the >> benefits to librarians of having a Second Life. See Grand Slam tennis that's out of this world http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztech/grand-slam-tennis-thats-out-of-this-world/2007/01/12/1168105128562.html Stephen Hutcheon January 12, 2007 On Monday they'll be flicking a switch that will pump real time centre court action from the Australian Tennis Open - ball-by-ball, point-by-point - into a parallel, virtual universe. IBM, which provides the IT services and technology backbone for Tennis Australia's Grand Slam tournament, has built a three dimensional facsimile of the Melbourne Tennis Centre complex inside a virtual world called Second Life. Over the duration of the two week tournament, data will be fed from games in the real Rod Laver Arena into the unreal one, nano seconds after happens. The feed will come from game-tracking technologies such as the line-calling system HawkEye, PointTracker which plots shots and ball trajectories and Speed Serve which clocks the players' serves. Computers then crunch the numbers to recreate the positioning of the ball inside the virtual stadium. And avatars, 3-D characters representing the players, can simulate strokes made by Roger Federer or Alicia Molik - or whoever is playing at the time. And spectators inside this computerised world will have not only the pick of the seats (including the match umpire's), but they can choose to watch the action from a player's perspective. Forget stump cam. In Second Life you can get inside the heads of the players on the court and see what they see after a fashion. The Australian Open is IBM's second crack at such a project. As an experimental exercise, the company built a more bare bones set-up for the Wimbledon tournament last June. "This time we've used Second Life physics engine," said Mr Brad Kasell, Asia-Pacific Manager for IBM Software Group's Emerging Technologies. "So we're plotting the ball's trajectory in a much more refined manner so you can see the trace of the ball far more accurately." IBM has poured many, many hours into this project to showcase what some at the giant US technology company believe could be a new way of doing business. It's no gimmick. Big Blue is serious about this. Dr Irving Wladawsky-Berger, IBM's Vice President of Technical Strategy and Innovation, likes to call it v-business - virtual business, or business conducted in a virtual space. "I believe that highly visual interfaces and virtual worlds will become increasingly important for interacting with applications, communicating with people and engaging in commerce," he wrote in a post on his blog at the start of the year... -- Cheers, people Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia aka: "Another Acronym" (with $250) in Second Life :-) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 11/01/2007 3:33 PM From stephen at melbpc.org.au Sat Jan 13 04:58:50 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 04:58:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070112015743.01b6b440@melbpc.org.au> References: <200701100551.l0A5pGRZ013919@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070112015743.01b6b440@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070113035750.01020ff0@melbpc.org.au> >>> Since we are talking about the possibility of EMF changes >>> in brain activity, maybe the correct word is "infect" > > Which, said by a New Zealander regards mobiles, you'd assert, impossible. With respect, perhaps even affection, certainly not affectation, nor an infection when writing the above one did forget to add a smiley. > Cheers, > Stephen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.9/623 - Release Date: 11/01/2007 3:33 PM From alan at austlii.edu.au Sat Jan 13 08:50:19 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:50:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity In-Reply-To: <961F7894-B308-4D90-8CAB-4EE2EFBC381F@tony-barry.emu.id.au> References: <5ii0ro$242hd7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070109124727.5ed65ed2.alan@austlii.edu.au> <961F7894-B308-4D90-8CAB-4EE2EFBC381F@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Message-ID: <20070113085019.2ee9c2f9.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:31:41 +1100 Antony Barry wrote: > > On 09/01/2007, at 12:47 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > > Am I the only one here old enough to remember the Club of Rome? > > Yes. I read their report in draft and commented on it suggesting > that they should transfer the demand for oil to coal when the oil ran > out. as a consequence they cut their figure for the lifetime of coal > reserves. > > > Of > > course, those weren't scientific tests, they were computer models. > > Like > > most of the "scientific" predictions of today. > > ALL mathematical based theories are models. Also as soon as you get > away from anything trivial there are no exact analytic solutions and > you have to go to numerical approximations. This means computers for > anything other than the extremely simple. Then to top it all off any > set of equations which aren't dead simple are chaotic and after a > period of time the prediction will rapidly drift away from what the > real world does because of the impossibility of pinning down the > initial conditions. The key is doing a sensitivity analysis to have > a handle on what the likely time into the future the prediction will > hold. Even planetary dynamics are chaotic over a sufficiently long > timescale. I agree with this. However, useful models can be, and are, testable and tested. The problem with the models used in climate prediction and in the Club of Rome models is that they either are not testable (like the Club of Rome) or not tested (like many climate models) or tested and the results of the testing ignored (like the many climate models that cannot "predict" the 30 year global cooling of 1940 - 1970). The Club of Rome models were essentially Malthusian: linear equations to describe resources, exponential equations to define demand. Results are exactly what were expected - and by adjusting the parameters you can account for being off by a few decades or a few centuries. > > The Club of Rome said we could be in strife through a resource > crisis, a food crisis or a pollution crisis around the end of the > century depending what we did. They checked the sensitivity of the > prediction with respect to resources and showed that a doubling(?) > of reserves just moved the problem back a decade or two because of > the nature of exponential growth. They refined the model twice since. Again, with the basic equation structure, doubling, tripling, you-name-it increase in resources will merely shift the problem. Any real-world description is going to be modelled by sets of non-linear differential equations with lots of feedback. Since it is hard to get a stable set of equations, most models are going to predict catastrophe. Example: bombs are modelled mathematically by equations which describe ovens!! These are good models that allow us to learn a lot, but it should not come as a surprise that ovens do not blow up. My own view is that we should be very skeptical of any model that cannot predict the past. Further, it is not usually reasonable to adopt the "precautionary" view of preparing for the worst. To do so is to condemn millions of (mostly) third world people to a life of degrading poverty. Time for me to go back to work. Alan > > Donella H Meadows, Dennis L Meadows and J?rgen Randers. "Beyond the > limits: global collapse or a sustainable future". Earthscan, 1992 > > Donella Meadows, J?rgen Randers and Dennis Meadows. "Limits to > growth; the 30-year update". Earthscan, 2005. > > Their conclusions overall haven't changed. The timeline has shifted > back a few decades not unexpectedly and there is trouble coming a > few decades ahead. Depending what we do it will be very nasty or > only somewhat unpleasant for a time. > > Look where we are at now - > > Resources > --------- > Crude oil production will probably peak by 2015 and then start to > decline with natural gas not to far behind. > > For many metals we are going to lower and lower quality ores. > > Pollution > --------- > Global warming > > Rapidly increasing dead zones in the oceans > > Ozone hole not decreasing as expected > > Inexplicable rise in cancers in the developed world > > Food > ---- > Soil depletion > > Rapid fall in the water tables in key grain growing areas which rely > on ground water > > Per capita grain reserves lowest for 35 years > > Loss of crude oil will impact heavily on the green revolution > > > The crunch is coming. > > If anybody wants to discuss this could we shift it to unlink. > > While I write this it is 40.8 degrees in my part of Canberra so I'm > feeling a bit crabby. It was over 40 yesterday but there is a change > coming although the storms appear to have gone to the south of us. > > Tony > > phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au > mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au > http://tony-barry.emu.id.au > > > > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Sat Jan 13 09:02:48 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:02:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 'ICANN Seeks Public Comment on Whois Privacy' Message-ID: http://www.epic.org/alert/EPIC_Alert_14.01.html ======================================================================== [3] ICANN Seeks Public Comment on Whois Privacy ======================================================================== On November 24, 2006, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) invited public comments on its Preliminary Task Force Report on WHOIS services. The report highlights two different approaches to limitations on the public availability of WHOIS data. The first proposal, supported by the Registrar, Registry, and Non-Commercial Users Constituencies, removes registrants' mailing addresses, phone and fax numbers and email addresses from the Whois database, and requires the use of an "operational point of contact," an intermediary who would contact the registrant in the case of an issue with the domain name. WHOIS would continue to publish the registrant's name and country. The second proposal, supported by the Intellectual Property and Business Constituencies, retains the current data fields required under WHOIS, but allows individuals who can demonstrate reasonable concern that public access to their contact data would jeopardize their personal safety or security to substitute contact details of the registrar for their data. ICANN's current policy requiring the publication of personal information violates the privacy rights of registrants and may violate international laws and the privacy rights in the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In its preliminary report, the Task Force agrees that new mechanisms to restrict some contact data from publication should be adopted to address privacy concerns. EPIC has prepared comments for submission to ICANN on the Preliminary Report. EPIC supports the Operational Point of Contact proposal's removal of registrants' postal addresses, phone and fax numbers and email addresses from the Whois database, but pushes for the deletion of registrants' names and countries of origin from the Whois public database as well. As explained in Privacy and Human Rights 2005, concealing actual identity may be critical for political, artistic, and religious expression on the Internet. The public comment period runs until January 15, 2007. The task force will consider the public comments received and prepare a final report for submission to the Generic Names Supporting Organization Council. ICANN Launches Public Comments on WHOIS Task Force Report: http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-24nov06.htm ICANN Preliminary Task Force Report on WHOIS Services: http://gnso.icann.org/issues/whois-privacy/prelim-tf-rpt-22nov06.htm EPIC's WHOIS Page: http://www.epic.org/privacy/whois/ -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Sat Jan 13 09:22:01 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:22:01 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45A80A09.3060709@ozemail.com.au> Great heavens, beware the non-tech journalist, the press release, and the impressive number... >Over the duration of the two week tournament, data will be fed from games in the real Rod Laver Arena into the unreal one, nano seconds after happens. > Nanoseconds? My suspension of disbelief just bust a mainspring ... RC From cas at taz.net.au Sat Jan 13 09:36:32 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:36:32 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <20070112223631.GZ26390@taz.net.au> On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 12:26:06AM +1100, Stephen Loosley wrote: > Grand Slam tennis that's out of this world > http://www.theage.com.au/news/biztech/grand-slam-tennis-thats-out-of-this-world/2007/01/12/1168105128562.html > > Stephen Hutcheon > January 12, 2007 > > [...] > > IBM, which provides the IT services and technology backbone for Tennis > Australia's Grand Slam tournament, has built a three dimensional > facsimile of the Melbourne Tennis Centre complex inside a virtual > world called Second Life. > > Over the duration of the two week tournament, data will be fed from > games in the real Rod Laver Arena into the unreal one, nano seconds > after happens. wow! this is really valuable science research - it answers the age-old question of "what could possibly be more boring than watching live tennis on TV?". previously, it had been thought that TV tennis represented a fundamental limit on boringness (a universal constant, a limit like that of the speed of light), but now it is known that under exceptional circumstances, this limit can be exceeded. "it's like a boredom wormhole", gushed IBM representatives, "it allows us to concentrate more boredom per unit of time than the universe ordinarily allows. the implications are staggering". > IBM has poured many, many hours into this project to showcase what > some at the giant US technology company believe could be a new way of > doing business. It's no gimmick. Big Blue is serious about this. looks like 100% gimmick to me. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From cas at taz.net.au Sat Jan 13 09:40:02 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:40:02 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <45A7BD63.1030805@lannet.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> <45A7BD63.1030805@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070112224002.GA26390@taz.net.au> On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 03:54:59AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Someone has obviously smelt some dollars, but I don't see where... consumption frenzy. second life is one enormous billboard entangled with bogus "community". as Neal Stephenson put it when describing "The Metaverse" in his novel Snowcrash "it's like Las Vegas without the limits of finance or physics". craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Sat Jan 13 10:50:48 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:50:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <45A81C15.7050309@lannet.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> <45A80A09.3060709@ozemail.com.au> <45A81C15.7050309@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$25p98i@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 10:39 AM 13/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >"Nano" - the buzzword that journos have just learned...but they >don't say just how many giga-nanoseconds. I just spewed my cornflakes! Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 13 11:46:09 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:46:09 +1100 Subject: [LINK] electromagnetic fields effect brain activity Message-ID: Alan wrote: > Am I the only one here old enough to remember the Club of Rome? Actually, I think there were a couple of Club-of-Rome reports. The first proved to be fairly inaccurate in its predictions about oil reserves, and they didn't adequately take into account the successes of exploration once prices escalated and the money began to roll. I can't remember all the details now. It was a long time ago. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 13 12:01:58 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:01:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Double Blind Trials (Was to do with EMF) In-Reply-To: <200701120733.l0C7WxhJ012454@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Kim writes re placebo/blind trials > > I hadn't thought about it quite like that. Do you think then, that > the placebo effect is just a virtual effect for the purposes of drug > testing and not something that's really happening at all? Double blind trials are used in all sorts of scientific research, most of which has no placebo at all. For instance, in-vitro research on cells in the laboratory: in-vivo research with mice and other animals. Blinding (single and double) is even used in epidemiology to avoid investigator-bias in asking questions and recording answers (not much unfortunately). The main problem with the placebo effect is that it has been popularised and promoted by alternate medicine practitioners as if it were something real. I haven't looked at the evidence recently, but the last time I looked, a few years ago, the scientists researching the phenomenon couldn't agree whether there were real effects or not. Some thought it was entirely psychological; others said they had found real changes. Unfortunately most of these trials weren't blind, so it may have been their own prejudices in action (either way). That's the problem when you are dealing with humans. I don't think anyone disputes that most of the placebo outcomes are positive, but whether they are physically positive, or mentally positive is the question. And with complementary medicine, you can also question whether paying hundreds of dollars for a sugar pill, or for a million-times-diluted tea-tree-oil enema is entirely justified. [Did anyone see Hugh McKay's piece in Saturday Sydney Morning Herald? He writes about the value of Complimentary Medicine [sic] and placebo. I think he must be lurking on Link. It was right-on.] -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From eleanor at pacific.net.au Sat Jan 13 12:29:07 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:29:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45A835E3.9000403@pacific.net.au> Stephen Loosley wrote: > Hi Tom and all, > > "IBM has poured many, many hours into (Second Life) to showcase > what some at the giant US technology company believe could be a > new way of doing business. It's no gimmick. Big Blue is serious .." > well, it's real enough for the IRS to be interested: http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/061016/116103313134.html?.v=2 > IRS to Tax Your Second Life? > Monday October 16, 5:12 pm ET > By Tim Beyers -- How real is the virtual world? Real enough that the > IRS may want a piece of the digital action. Congressional economists > are beginning to weigh the question of how to tax digital assets > amassed in multiplayer online games such as /World of Warcraft/ and > /Second Life/, Reuters reports. > > > > > > The timing couldn't be better for the Feds. /Second Life/, for > example, has already grown its virtual economy to the equivalent of a > $150 million gross domestic product. Its 800,000 or so "residents" > exchange as much as $500,000 in real money daily. > i think those of us with even a nodding acquaintance with sci-fi literature would have seen the ideas people have about creating a "real" world that is infinitely mutable, where everyone is young and good looking and paupers and princes can exchange positions with the application of wit, or lack of it. IBM is just investing in one of the logical steps that need to be taken to weld reality and fantasy together ... tennis could be much improved if you can modify or replace the Avatars used ... like John Howard in a tennis skirt vs Godzilla in a lycra bodysuit. :) also a good game engine means that you can have massive compression ratios, because you only need to store the symbolic movements and sounds of a story, rather than an actual movie ... and it can be interactive. imagine Lord of the Rings where you're not one of the headline acts, so the main plotline doesn't alter, but you can be a person living in that world, and take part in it as it changes around you ... i smell money in this, and so does IBM. you can even have movies where you change the avatars so that Angelina Jolie can actually act. regards, EL ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 13 13:33:44 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:33:44 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <45A835E3.9000403@pacific.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> <45A835E3.9000403@pacific.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070113133221.030b33b8@wheresmymailserver.com> >imagine Lord of the Rings where you're not one of the headline acts, so >the main plotline doesn't alter, but you can be a person living in that >world, and take part in it as it changes around you ... i smell money in >this, and so does IBM. Peter Jackson would be happy with that! Then he could have greater royalties, stop suing New LIne Films and make the next story which he's been banned from doing! Maybe Jackson will move film making into Second Life and set up the first REAL(?) film studios there! Imagine a block buster Second Life film in value equal to the $1 billion odd Lord of the Rings took in !! From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 13 13:30:41 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:30:41 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$25p98i@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070110151236.01ac1b58@tomw.net.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070113000051.010201a8@melbpc.org.au> <45A80A09.3060709@ozemail.com.au> <45A81C15.7050309@lannet.com.au> <5ii0ro$25p98i@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070113132959.030c0450@wheresmymailserver.com> At 10:50 AM 13/01/2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: >At 10:39 AM 13/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >>"Nano" - the buzzword that journos have just learned...but they don't say >>just how many giga-nanoseconds. > >I just spewed my cornflakes! In a terra-nano-second or did it take longer? Can we see it in Second Life please? Maybe in slow motion? Take each terra-nano-second and make it say 5 milli seconds? What you think that's too long? But time in Second Life is not measured in the same sense as real life! From fpilcher at netspeed.com.au Sat Jan 13 17:35:03 2007 From: fpilcher at netspeed.com.au (Fred Pilcher) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:35:03 +1100 Subject: [LINK] World Domination 201 In-Reply-To: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> References: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <200701131735.04863.fpilcher@netspeed.com.au> Rick wrote: > Has anyone tried Freespire? I am inspired to do so. It might just be the > killer Debian distro. One would have to be an ultra-purist to forgo these > 20 proprietary components and use a substandard multimedia desktop. But who > am I to judge? I had a brief look at it. I've been using SLED 10 and Simply Mepis 6 and, by comparison (on an admittedly brief look), Freespire seemed pretty ordinary by comparison. That's probably unfair. I agree with the premise of the article and functionally, Freespire may well have the goods. If so, I wish it every success, it's just not very attractive by comparison. Gods - did I say that? :-( Fred From fpilcher at netspeed.com.au Sat Jan 13 17:35:03 2007 From: fpilcher at netspeed.com.au (Fred Pilcher) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:35:03 +1100 Subject: [LINK] World Domination 201 In-Reply-To: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> References: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <200701131735.04863.fpilcher@netspeed.com.au> Rick wrote: > Has anyone tried Freespire? I am inspired to do so. It might just be the > killer Debian distro. One would have to be an ultra-purist to forgo these > 20 proprietary components and use a substandard multimedia desktop. But who > am I to judge? I had a brief look at it. I've been using SLED 10 and Simply Mepis 6 and, by comparison (on an admittedly brief look), Freespire seemed pretty ordinary by comparison. That's probably unfair. I agree with the premise of the article and functionally, Freespire may well have the goods. If so, I wish it every success, it's just not very attractive by comparison. Gods - did I say that? :-( Fred From cas at taz.net.au Sat Jan 13 18:20:26 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:20:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] World Domination 201 In-Reply-To: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> References: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070113072026.GB26390@taz.net.au> On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 10:25:18PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Fred Pilcher wrote: > > > An interesting treatise on the potential of Linux to take over the > > world by 2008. > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html#id247970 esr's an interesting writer, but you have to take what he says with a very large grain of salt. i've met both esr and rms...and while esr is much nicer in person and has good social skills (which rms most definitely does not - understatement of the year) i have a lot more respect for rms and his principles. i like esr, but you've got to remember he's a gun-totin' loony libertarian, which is why he's into "open source" rather than that socialist "free software" stuff. > The list of proprietary pieces to the puzzle that can make Linux a > competitive and killer desktop is here: > > http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Summary_of_Proprietary_Components 1. WMV i run debian and haven't had any difficulty playing wmv files for over 2 years. i don't even remember when it started working, i just tried it one day and assumed it wouldn't - but was surprised when it did. 2. quicktime there may still be one or two QT codecs that dont work. dunno, i haven't had a problem with quicktime files for years. 3. mp3. WTF? mp3 has been supported for years. there are some patent problems in countries that acknowledge software patents AND where the patent has been applied for, but i don't think anyone actually pays ANY attention to that. 4. realplayer and helix have been available for years. 5. java. ditto. and it has been open-sourced now, just a month or so ago. 6. macromedia flash. there's an installer package for the macromedia flash, or there's a few (second-rate, so far) free-software clones. 7. fonts. there are more than enough free fonts for almost any conceivable need. and anyone who really needs proprietary fonts can buy and install them just as they would on windows or mac. 8. gizmo? big deal. it's not as if there aren't dozens of free VOIP protocols and programs. anyway, you're better off with an open protocol than locked in with a proprietary one. 9. agere modem drivers. who cares? modems are cheap. there are many to choose from which work perfectly with linux. 10. ATI drivers. ditto for video cards. also, it is rumoured that AMD may soon open-source the driver or provide full specs for free software developers. 11., 12., 13: modem drivers. ditto again. 14. QEMU. huh? it's open source. and there are several other FOSS alternatives available too, e.g. xen. 15, 16: another modem driver and a wifi driver: again, there's lots of hardware that works perfectly with linux. 17. nvidia drivers. easily available for any linux distro. there's also a project to write a complete open source driver. 18., 19, 20. more modem and wireless drivers. same response. running this multimedia stuff is not hard on any modern linux distro. the (slightly) hard bit is not having web sites able to run them without your permission. you need to install the NoScript, AdBlock Plus, and Flashblock plugins - so that YOU control which sites are allowed to run this stuff, and when. if this is all they can come up with, it looks like they're trying very hard to find some competitive advantage. > There are only 20 such pieces, i.e. less than 1% of the entire > Freespire distro. And with those pieces, Freespire can now compete > for the first time with Windows and Mac OS X. And of course, one can > pruchase Linspire if full support is required. and of course, it's all available for other distros too. > Has anyone tried Freespire? I am inspired to do so. It might just be > the killer Debian distro. One would have to be an ultra-purist to > forgo these 20 proprietary components and use a substandard multimedia > desktop. But who am I to judge? from what i've seen, you're better off with ubuntu. or debian itself. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From brendansweb at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 13 21:19:48 2007 From: brendansweb at optusnet.com.au (Brendan Scott) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:19:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] World Domination 201 In-Reply-To: <20070113072026.GB26390@taz.net.au> References: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> <20070113072026.GB26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45A8B244.6020601@optusnet.com.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 10:25:18PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: >> Fred Pilcher wrote: >> >>> An interesting treatise on the potential of Linux to take over the >>> world by 2008. >>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html#id247970 > > esr's an interesting writer, but you have to take what he says with a very > large grain of salt. > > i've met both esr and rms...and while esr is much nicer in person > and has good social skills (which rms most definitely does not - > understatement of the year) i have a lot more respect for rms and his > principles. i like esr, but you've got to remember he's a gun-totin' > loony libertarian, which is why he's into "open source" rather than that > socialist "free software" stuff. > > >> The list of proprietary pieces to the puzzle that can make Linux a >> competitive and killer desktop is here: [] > running this multimedia stuff is not hard on any modern linux distro. > the (slightly) hard bit is not having web sites able to run them without > your permission. you need to install the NoScript, AdBlock Plus, and > Flashblock plugins - so that YOU control which sites are allowed to run > this stuff, and when. > > if this is all they can come up with, it looks like they're trying very > hard to find some competitive advantage. I think the point is not whether it is doable, but whether it can be preloaded. Distros which are ideologically pure don't and won't support preloading of closed components. His underlying thesis is that multimedia will drive the 64 bit platform. I am not convinced by this. Brendan From rick at praxis.com.au Sat Jan 13 21:51:25 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:51:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] World Domination 201 In-Reply-To: <20070113072026.GB26390@taz.net.au> References: <45A7701E.7030108@praxis.com.au> <20070113072026.GB26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45A8B9AD.3010201@praxis.com.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > 1. WMV > > i run debian and haven't had any difficulty playing wmv files for over > 2 years. i don't even remember when it started working, i just tried it > one day and assumed it wouldn't - but was surprised when it did. > > 2. quicktime > > there may still be one or two QT codecs that dont work. dunno, i haven't > had a problem with quicktime files for years. [snip] The point made both by Raymond and the Linspire site is that licences are required for these items to be *distributed*. We are talking what is legal and defensible in court here, not what is done by other distros, perhaps on the sly. A distro cannot become a killer in the marketplace if there are any legal licencing snags tied to it. Yes yes, I have manually downloaded and installed many of the media players mentioned in that list. Yes yes they work. But Joe Sixpack and his Mom and Dad simply ain't gonna do that. Let alone start fiddling with codecs and tweeking things at the shell level until they work. We are talking legally distributable "in the box" multimedia: drop in the install CD and you are up & running in 5 minutes. Remember: The Killer OS will not require *any* work to be done in the shell. 99.9% of computer owners do not know what the shell is and are scared shitless when they find out. I speak from my own experience with heaps of clients. > and of course, it's all available for other distros too. The licences are not, are they? Linspire has paid licencing fees to be allowed to distribute these pieces of technology. Can you give an example of another distro that is doing that? i.e legally distributing an MP3 player or Quicktime? BTW: Linspire publishes links to all the distribution licences for these patented technologies on its website. If you have a read, you will find (I presume here) with all of them that neither you nor I nor anyone is allowed to package up Wonderful Proprietary Media Player X and distribute it, even though you may download it for your own use. That is the nature of the difference between Linspire and other Linux distros. >>Has anyone tried Freespire? I am inspired to do so. It might just be >>the killer Debian distro. One would have to be an ultra-purist to >>forgo these 20 proprietary components and use a substandard multimedia >>desktop. But who am I to judge? > > > from what i've seen, you're better off with ubuntu. or debian itself. I burned a Freespire disk last night and gave it a test drive. Worked fine "out of the box" on a Sony Vaio; everything just worked. About 10 x easier to install than Win XP and 10 X faster to install as well. The install CD can be used "Live" if you wish to road test it. Don't get me wrong. I use Debian for most projects I work on now, and wouldn't bother with much else except for Ubuntu. Probably for similar reasons to yours, Craig. But when the topic is the Killer O/S for 2008, one does have to look for something that installs out of the box in minutes and is real easy to use. And one that legally supports all the multi-media types out there. There is a large gap between accidentally finding out that something happens to work on a distro (on legally shakey grounds) and having a rock-solid right to distribute patented / protected IP. That's the ugly way of the capitalist system. BTW: Is raymond wrong when he states in his article that MP3 support has had to be withdrawn from (some?) Linux distros, and other patented bits and pieces as well? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From stephen at melbpc.org.au Sun Jan 14 02:42:55 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:42:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] E-Learning Industry Funding Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114020917.01b6c998@melbpc.org.au> ? Commonwealth of Australia 2007 E-Learning for Industry: 2007 Industry Funding Funding opportunities for industry groups and businesses that are interested in e-learning have opened! http://industry.flexiblelearning.net.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=45 The national training system's e-learning strategy, the Australian Flexible Learning Framework, a collaboration between the Australian Government and all states and territories, has allocated AUD 600,000 to fund approximately 13 industry e-learning demonstrations in 2007. The selected Industry e-learning demonstrations will be practical e-learning solutions to workforce development needs. This year the application process is fully online for all of the funding categories.. The online application process will be accessible from Monday 19 February 2007. Online applications will close at 9am AEST on Wednesday 4 April 2007. The sample funding contract for the 2007 Industry e-learning demonstrations can be obtained by emailing kerry.manikis at cit.act.edu.au (due to spam please replace the 'at' with @ and remove spaces). Examples of the industry e-learning demonstrations funded in 2005 can be found on this website under Business e-learning examples. http://industry.flexiblelearning.net.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=47 Last Updated ( Wednesday, 10 January 2007 ) ? Commonwealth of Australia 2007 -- brevity-snipped Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 12/01/2007 2:04 PM From stephen at melbpc.org.au Sun Jan 14 03:10:11 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:10:11 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> $100 laptop could sell to public By Darren Waters (snipped) Technology editor, BBC News website, Las Vegas http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6246989.stm The backers of the One Laptop Per Child project are looking at the possibility of selling the machine to the public. One idea would be for customers to have to buy two laptops at once - with the second going to the developing world. Five million of the laptops will be delivered to developing nations this summer, in one of the most ambitious educational exercises ever undertaken. Michalis Bletsas, chief connectivity officer for the project, said eBay could be a partner to sell the laptop. "If we started selling the laptop now, we would do very good business," Mr Bletsas, speaking at the Consumer Electronics Show, told BBC News. "But our focus right now is on the launch in the developing world." .. The eventual aim is to sell the machine to developing countries for $100 but the current cost of the machine is about $150. The first countries to sign up to buying the machine, which is officially dubbed XO, include Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Nigeria, Libya, Pakistan and Thailand. The XO's software has been designed to work specifically in an educational context. It has built-in wireless networking and video conferencing so that groups of children can work together. The project is also working to ensure that children using the laptop around the world can be in contact. The OLPC project is working with Google who will act as "the glue to bind all these kids together". The machine is close to a final design Google will also help the children publish their work on the internet so that the world can observe the "fruits of their labour", said Mr Bletsas. He said that the hope was to put the machine on sale to the general public "sometime next year". Mr Bletsas said that a philanthropic organisation would be formed to organise the orders and delivery of the laptops. "It's much more difficult to do this than making the laptop," he said. The aim is to connect the buyer of the laptop with the child in the developing world who receives the machine. "They will get the e-mail address of the kid in the developing world that they have, in effect, sponsored." Mr Bletsas was speaking amidst the festival of consumerism taking place on the show floor of CES. -- Cheers people Stephen Loosley Victoria, Astralia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 12/01/2007 2:04 PM From stephen at melbpc.org.au Sun Jan 14 03:55:28 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:55:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 'games transcend languages and cultures' Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114033846.01b6c7e0@melbpc.org.au> WebProNews January 13, 2007 http://www.WebProNews.com The Year Of The Online Game? Jason Lee Miller | Staff Writer 2005 was the year of the social network. In 2006, online video was the chief cause of acquisition hysteria. Will 2007 be the year of the online gaming site? Why not? Where else do you find an audience so devoted they'll forfeit sleep and food? A growing audience that is loyal, habitual, and young seems ripe for the picking. Blizzard Entertainment announced yesterday that World of Warcraft, the subscription-based online battle so compelling to gamers all over the world that people have died of exhaustion, has surpassed eight million users: Two million in the US, 1.5 million in Europe, and 3.5 million in China. In Australia, the mania is for Runescape, which holds a 7.23 percent market share of gaming site visitors. Hitwise's Sandra Hanchard writes that, in this region of the world (Asia-Pacific region), more than one in five visits in the entertainment category visits a gaming site. Well, it's closer to a quarter: 23.86 percent of visits were to online gaming sites, dwarfing multimedia sites' 12.12 percent, and movies' 5.92 percent. "While we've seen the recent explosive growth of YouTube and video sharing," says Hanchard, "it would seem that the online Games industry is deserving of more attention by marketers and advertisers, given its prominence in site visits." .. the Internet is evolving rapidly as a world market, and games transcend languages and cultures. -- Cheers all .. Stephen Loosley Melbourne, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: 12/01/2007 2:04 PM From alan at austlii.edu.au Sun Jan 14 06:50:23 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:50:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security Message-ID: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> Hi Linkers, I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC on the review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that Industry has been pushing for is to make consumers liable for losses caused by computers infected with malware. The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. Can someone point me to real research/statistics about the way that people *actually* run their computers? Many thanks, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From kim.holburn at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 07:31:29 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:31:29 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <42203EA2-5FFF-4318-B91E-9895F52AEB73@gmail.com> There was a good article recently in NYTimes (login required I think): http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/technology/07net.html > Attack of the Zombie Computers Is Growing Threat > In their persistent quest to breach the Internet?s defenses, the > bad guys are honing their weapons and increasing their firepower. > > With growing sophistication, they are taking advantage of programs > that secretly install themselves on thousands or even millions of > personal computers, band these computers together into an unwitting > army of zombies, and use the collective power of the dragooned > network to commit Internet crimes. > > These systems, called botnets, are being blamed for the huge spike > in spam that bedeviled the Internet in recent months, as well as > fraud and data theft. > > Security researchers have been concerned about botnets for some > time because they automate and amplify the effects of viruses and > other malicious programs. > > What is new is the vastly escalating scale of the problem ? and the > precision with which some of the programs can scan computers for > specific information, like corporate and personal data, to drain > money from online bank accounts and stock brokerages. > ?It represents a threat but it?s one that is hard to explain,? said > David J. Farber, a Carnegie Mellon computer scientist who was an > Internet pioneer. ?It?s an insidious threat, and what worries me is > that the scope of the problem is still not clear to most people.? > Referring to Windows computers, he added, ?The popular machines are > so easy to penetrate, and that?s scary.? > Sensor information collected by his company is now able to identify > more than 250,000 new botnet infections daily, Mr. Wesson said. > > ?We are losing this war badly,? he said. ?Even the vendors > understand that we are losing the war.? > > According to the annual intelligence report of MessageLabs, a New > York-based computer security firm, more than 80 percent of all spam > now originates from botnets. Last month, for the first time ever, a > single Internet service provider generated more than one billion > spam e-mail messages in a 24-hour period, according to a ranking > system maintained by Trend Micro, the computer security firm. That > indicated that machines of the service providers? customers had > been woven into a giant network, with a single control point using > them to pump out spam. > Serry Winkler, a sales representative in Denver, said that she had > turned off the network-security software provided by her Internet > service provider because it slowed performance to a crawl on her > PC, which was running Windows 98. A few months ago four sheriff?s > deputies pounded on her apartment door to confiscate the PC, which > they said was being used to order goods from Sears with a stolen > credit card. The computer, it turned out, had been commandeered by > an intruder who was using it remotely. > > ?I?m a middle-aged single woman living here for six years,? she > said. ?Do I sound like a terrorist?? > > She is now planning to buy a more up-to-date PC, she said. On 2007/Jan/13, at 8:50 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: > Hi Linkers, > I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC on > the > review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that Industry has > been pushing for is to make consumers liable for losses caused by > computers infected with malware. > > The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill > equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. Can someone point me to > real research/statistics about the way that people *actually* run > their > computers? > > Many thanks, > Alan > > -- > Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan > Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 > Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 14 09:32:50 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:32:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Second Life In-Reply-To: <200701131954.l0DJsNV6024178@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Wouldn't it be nice if they put all that development money into a project that might give a few billion kids in the Third World a First Life. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au Sun Jan 14 09:37:22 2007 From: sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au (steve jenkin) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:37:22 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Research Into Procrastination Shows Surprising Findings In-Reply-To: <45A9491A.8040707@lannet.com.au> References: <45A9491A.8040707@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45A95F22.8050101@canb.auug.org.au> Howard Lowndes wrote on 14/1/07 8:03 AM: > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070110090851.htm > > "Science Daily ? A University of Calgary professor in the Haskayne > School of Business has recently published his magnum opus on the > subject of procrastination -- and it's only taken him 10 years." > Howard, Thanks - loved it :-) I tracked down the U-Calgary press release. Added another URL as well (below) I'm amazed at two things done by the reporters: [perhaps Steward Fist would comment] - The UC press release is not cited/linked on the page. - The similarity of the article constructed. [but could be plagiarism or a common 'wire story'] cheers sj -- Steve Jenkin, Info Tech, Systems and Design Specialist. 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) PO Box 48, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sjenkin From ivan at itrundle.com Sun Jan 14 10:10:36 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:10:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Research Into Procrastination Shows Surprising Findings In-Reply-To: <45A95F22.8050101@canb.auug.org.au> References: <45A9491A.8040707@lannet.com.au> <45A95F22.8050101@canb.auug.org.au> Message-ID: I saw the paper published last week, but didn't get around to mentioning it to Linkers... iT On 14/01/2007, at 9:37 AM, steve jenkin wrote: > Howard Lowndes wrote on 14/1/07 8:03 AM: >> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070110090851.htm >> >> "Science Daily ? A University of Calgary professor in the Haskayne >> School of Business has recently published his magnum opus on the >> subject of procrastination -- and it's only taken him 10 years." >> > Howard, > Thanks - loved it :-) > > I tracked down the U-Calgary press release. Added another URL as well > (below) > I'm amazed at two things done by the reporters: [perhaps Steward Fist > would comment] > > - The UC press release is not cited/linked on the page. > - The similarity of the article constructed. [but could be > plagiarism or > a common 'wire story'] > > cheers > sj > > > > > > > -- > Steve Jenkin, Info Tech, Systems and Design Specialist. > 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) > PO Box 48, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA > > sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sjenkin > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > > !DSPAM:1009,45a960d7867195209328925! > > -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From kauer at biplane.com.au Sun Jan 14 10:35:12 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:35:12 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <1168731313.17898.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> If this is true: > The eventual aim is to sell the machine to developing countries for > $100 but the current cost of the machine is about $150. ... then the things will be being offered for sale (by their purchasers in developing countries) for 149.99 inside about four seconds of delivery. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au Sun Jan 14 11:22:58 2007 From: sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au (steve jenkin) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:22:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista Casts A Pall On PC Gaming In-Reply-To: <45A435E6.7000204@praxis.com.au> References: <20070110080011.s9dunpi4v0g00g8k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A42567.4020602@ramin.com.au> <45A429CA.3090204@lannet.com.au> <45A435E6.7000204@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45A977E2.7070500@canb.auug.org.au> Rick Welykochy wrote on 10/1/07 11:40 AM: > Howard Lowndes wrote: > >> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: >>> IMHO your conclusion is correct but not your assessment of Windows. >>> ... acknowledge the contribution >> "contribution" - do you mean as in viruses, spam, etc...? > > Howard is right. Microsoft has contributed zero in the advancement of > computing science and IT innovation. Their patent portfolio would disagree with you... They've done printing via direct printer drivers better than anyone - but it's a false model. The definitive answer is to use a standard definitive printer language - like PDF or postscript. They've never practised (perhaps even understood) the basic good software engineering practices used by all the large, successful OSS projects - Linux, Apache, Samba, Perl/Python/PHP, gcc, ... > They have actually set the bar and expectations of how computers > should perform so low that their software can > be considered "toy". They reset consumer expectations that 'software failed' (often). There is NO justification for systems software to fail if the hardware is still running. Microsoft would've been run out of town by its users if the computing academic/engineering had ever bothered to lay down the minimum requirements of an "Operating System" (like 'keep operating', 'maintain integrity', ...) Consumers would've successfully challenged them in the ACCC. The absolute mess we have now is not just MSFT's fault, but the professional computing and industry associations that have failed to setup and define (minimum) standards. > If you do the research you will find that practically anything of > usefullness that Microsoft sells has been either ripped off > (Lotus 1-2-3 ==> Excel), adapted (GUI as but one example) or > assimilated Borg-style (Mosaic ==> IE). > > Need some concrete examples of their failure to innovate? Microsoft are the World's Best marketers. Seriously. They should be applauded for that. And you are *so* correct saying they don't innovate - always follow. They've always tried to focus on the user - but their version is 'shiny bits', 'sizzle' and 'bells and whistles', rather than good UI and solid, useful product. > > Cynic, moi? No :-) > > > cheers > rickw > > -- Steve Jenkin, Info Tech, Systems and Design Specialist. 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) PO Box 48, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sjenkin From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Sun Jan 14 11:38:46 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:38:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: G'day Alan At 6:50 +1100 14/1/07, Alan L Tyree wrote: >I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC on the >review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that Industry has >been pushing for is to make consumers liable for losses caused by >computers infected with malware. >The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill >equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. Can someone point me to >real research/statistics about the way that people *actually* run their >computers? It's not what you asked for, but ... I did some expert evidence a little while back which required me to catalogue the ways in which 'accesses to inappropriate sites' and 'storage of inappropriate images' might occur, without the intention of a device's user, and even without their knowledge. The context was alleged unfair dismissal. The material could be turned to the purpose of demonstrating that: (1) consumers' computers are not under consumers' control (2) it is not practicable for consumers to exercise control The first few parts are of marginal relevance to the current context. This section has some relevance but would need to be cut down: http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/OffIm0511.html#AUC The key bits are the short sections on Malware and 'Hacking' starting at: http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/OffIm0511.html#MW If it would help, I could use the above to produce a 2-pager summarising the problems. Further mutterings ... I meant to track down some text-books and key articles, but the document had to be prepared in 24 hours, and I've never got back to it. Some obvious starting-points: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_insecurity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse_%28computing%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystroke_logging http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_cracking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28computer_science%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_forensics I've got a set of a dozen slides on malware that could be put to use if they were actually interested. I was involved in an RBA/APSC subcommittee back about 1988-89, which considered an early version of the Code and specifically the need for consumer protections in relation to ATM design and processes. (Banks were finally forced to get rid of the exposed vertical key-pads that made PIN capture a cinch). They had some interest in solid evidence, which was a pleasant surprise. (They = the RBA / regulatory members, not the bank reps of course). So maybe the offer of a presentation might be an angle that would attract their attention. Re the question you actually asked, Googling with mixtures of terms like and suchlike turns up some sources: http://www.webroot.com/resources/stateofspyware/excerpt.html http://www.secureworks.com/researchcenter/researchoverview.html http://www.sans.org/reading_room/?portal=2027af4cebaac272f701e38e131117a1 But nope, nothing's obvious that actually answers the question ... Regards ... Roger -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Sun Jan 14 11:47:35 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:47:35 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Canadians going bad on copyright Message-ID: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1606/125/ Copyright and Digital Markets Thursday January 11, 2007 Canadian Press is reporting this evening that the introduction of a copyright reform bill is imminent ... http://www.680news.com/news/national/article.jsp?content=n011061A http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8607.html [Roughly, it may be as bad as the atrocious sell-out by the Australian Government - US-corporate welfare under the guise of 'free trade'] -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 14 12:53:26 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:53:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <42203EA2-5FFF-4318-B91E-9895F52AEB73@gmail.com> References: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> <42203EA2-5FFF-4318-B91E-9895F52AEB73@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A98D16.6090401@praxis.com.au> Kim Holburn wrote: >> Attack of the Zombie Computers Is Growing Threat [SNIP] >> Sensor information collected by his company is now able to identify >> more than 250,000 new botnet infections daily, Mr. Wesson said. >> >> ?We are losing this war badly,? he said. ?Even the vendors understand >> that we are losing the war.? The blame for this should lie squarely on Microsoft's shoulders. But I preach to the converted :) (And we did chew through the topic of software liability on this very list last year) >> Serry Winkler, a sales representative in Denver, said that she had >> turned off the network-security software provided by her Internet >> service provider because it slowed performance to a crawl on her PC, >> which was running Windows 98. A few months ago four sheriff?s >> deputies pounded on her apartment door to confiscate the PC, which >> they said was being used to order goods from Sears with a stolen >> credit card. The computer, it turned out, had been commandeered by an >> intruder who was using it remotely. >> >> ?I?m a middle-aged single woman living here for six years,? she said. >> ?Do I sound like a terrorist?? >> >> She is now planning to buy a more up-to-date PC, she said. Interesting case in point. What on earth is this woman doing with a Win98 box on the Internet? There ought to be a law! One thing still amazes me. After all the data loss, application corruption, lost time and money, reboots and crashes, people go out looking for "a better PC". It doesn't exist, folks! Stop beating yourselves, wise up and get something reliable and secure. > On 2007/Jan/13, at 8:50 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: > >> Hi Linkers, >> I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC on the >> review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that Industry has >> been pushing for is to make consumers liable for losses caused by >> computers infected with malware. Oh, I wish! In other spheres of the economy and society, people are actually responsible for damage they cause by negligent use of equipment, etc. But then again, in other spheres, manufactures and service providers are responsible as well. It is illegal to connect unapproved devices to the telecommunications system in this country. It is illegal to operate carriage service without proper licencing. Amazing then that it is just fine to connect a device to the Internet that can be used to send spam, launder money, distribute child pron and be used to attack other connected devices and the entire network. Amazing! >> The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill >> equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. Can someone point me to >> real research/statistics about the way that people *actually* run their >> computers? Securing a computer system is a job for well-trained and experienced IT people. It is not now and never will be a job for the consumer, no more than fixing a car or repairing the electricals will be. The job of a software manufacturer is to provide reliable and secure product. Until that responsibility is legally enforced the problem will just get worse. I wish I could point you at some research done in this area, Alan, but I haven't run across anything yet. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 14 13:03:55 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:03:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Canadians going bad on copyright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A98F8B.2010206@praxis.com.au> Roger Clarke wrote: > http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1606/125/ > > Copyright and Digital Markets > Thursday January 11, 2007 > Canadian Press is reporting this evening that the introduction of a > copyright reform bill is imminent ... See what happens when you vote in a compliant conservative party? The article mentions this: "Canadians may recognize that they already pay millions every year for the private copying levy and thus feel comfortable with payment to artists via that alternative compensation system" I believe the UK has a similar system: a small but very visible charge is added on to the purchase price of recordable media. Makes sense to me. Tax it at the source. Although, it is unfair to those who are using the media to create original content, but that must constitute a very small portion of entire recordable media sales. > http://www.680news.com/news/national/article.jsp?content=n011061A > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8607.html > > [Roughly, it may be as bad as the atrocious sell-out by the Australian > Government - US-corporate welfare under the guise of 'free trade'] Here is the source of the rot: "The legislation is being spearheaded by two government ministers, Maxime Bernier (Industry) and Bev Oda (Heritage), who are ranked numbers two and three on a recent list of underperforming politicians. Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, noted last year that much of Oda's fundraising, in particular, could be traced to copyright lobby groups, record labels, broadcasters, and cable companies." Canada introduced a legislation outlawing donations larger than $X to political parties (X being a rlaitvely small number). But it seems that funds are still allowed to funnel in via lobbying to individual pollies. Sounds rotten to me. What will it take to get *our* politicians to get back on track and work on *our* behalf for better democracy and society? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 14 13:07:13 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:07:13 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs Message-ID: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8608.html "In an effort to protect users from fraud and phishing schemes, eBay subsidiary PayPal is preparing to offer secure key fobs. The devices, which display a six-digit code that changes every 30 seconds, will be made available free to all PayPal business users, and will cost $5 for all personal PayPal account users. Those who opt in on the key fob will have to enter the six-digit code when logging in to PayPal." Some food for thought for banks. The weakness in the PayPal idea is that the fob is opt-in. The very people most likely to fall victim to phishing scams are likely not to opt-in ... or is that a cynical syllogism? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From alan at austlii.edu.au Sun Jan 14 13:26:29 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:26:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: References: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070114132629.ba1ad447.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:38:46 +1100 Roger Clarke wrote: > G'day Alan > > > It's not what you asked for, but ... > > I did some expert evidence a little while back which required me to > catalogue the ways in which 'accesses to inappropriate sites' and > 'storage of inappropriate images' might occur, without the intention > of a device's user, and even without their knowledge. The context > was alleged unfair dismissal. > > The material could be turned to the purpose of demonstrating that: > (1) consumers' computers are not under consumers' control > (2) it is not practicable for consumers to exercise control > > The first few parts are of marginal relevance to the current context. > > This section has some relevance but would need to be cut down: > http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/OffIm0511.html#AUC > > The key bits are the short sections on Malware and 'Hacking' starting > at: http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/OffIm0511.html#MW > > If it would help, I could use the above to produce a 2-pager > summarising the problems. It always helps Roger :-). > > > Further mutterings ... > > > I was involved in an RBA/APSC subcommittee back about 1988-89, which > considered an early version of the Code and specifically the need for > consumer protections in relation to ATM design and processes. (Banks > were finally forced to get rid of the exposed vertical key-pads that > made PIN capture a cinch). Yes, I was actually a member of the APSC at that time. The Wallis recommendations abolished the ASPC and replaced it with the Payment Systems Board. I think that was a pity since the APSC really offered a forum where various interests talked. It even got a few things done! The PSB is just the RBA in disguise. Generally, they don't give a flying F about consumer issues. The original EFT Code was (suprisingly) given real life by the Treasury representatives on the APSC. Many thanks for the response. Alan > > They had some interest in solid evidence, which was a pleasant > surprise. (They = the RBA / regulatory members, not the bank reps of > course). So maybe the offer of a presentation might be an angle that > would attract their attention. > > Re the question you actually asked, Googling with mixtures of terms > like and suchlike turns up > some sources: > http://www.webroot.com/resources/stateofspyware/excerpt.html > http://www.secureworks.com/researchcenter/researchoverview.html > http://www.sans.org/reading_room/?portal=2027af4cebaac272f701e38e131117a1 > > But nope, nothing's obvious that actually answers the question ... > > Regards ... Roger > > -- > Roger Clarke > http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ > Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 > AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 > mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au > http://www.xamax.com.au/ > > Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National > University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program > University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & > Policy Centre Uni of NSW > _______________________________________________ Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From alan at austlii.edu.au Sun Jan 14 13:29:39 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:29:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45A98D16.6090401@praxis.com.au> References: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> <42203EA2-5FFF-4318-B91E-9895F52AEB73@gmail.com> <45A98D16.6090401@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070114132939.da795246.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:53:26 +1100 Rick Welykochy wrote: > Kim Holburn wrote: > > >> Attack of the Zombie Computers Is Growing Threat > [SNIP] > >> Sensor information collected by his company is now able to > >> identify more than 250,000 new botnet infections daily, Mr. Wesson > >> said. > >> > >> ?We are losing this war badly,? he said. ?Even the vendors > >> understand that we are losing the war.? > > The blame for this should lie squarely on Microsoft's shoulders. > But I preach to the converted :) > (And we did chew through the topic of software liability on > this very list last year) > > > > > Interesting case in point. What on earth is this woman doing with a > Win98 box on the Internet? There ought to be a law! I agree with that. The thing about the EFT situation is that the Banks and other providers are perfectly happy to let her hook up with Win98 or anything else. They won't make the investment to provide any secure access, but now want to throw the losses on users. A fairly clear case of externalities. I would love to suggest that some of these losses be thrown onto Microsoft, but I doubt that such a recommendation would meet with much approval at ASIC! > > One thing still amazes me. After all the data loss, application > corruption, lost time and money, reboots and crashes, people go out > looking for "a better PC". It doesn't exist, folks! Stop beating > yourselves, wise up and get something reliable and secure. > > > > > > On 2007/Jan/13, at 8:50 PM, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > > >> Hi Linkers, > >> I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC > >> on the review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that > >> Industry has been pushing for is to make consumers liable for > >> losses caused by computers infected with malware. > > Oh, I wish! In other spheres of the economy and society, people are > actually responsible for damage they cause by negligent use of > equipment, etc. But then again, in other spheres, manufactures and > service providers are responsible as well. > > It is illegal to connect unapproved devices to the telecommunications > system in this country. It is illegal to operate carriage service > without proper licencing. Amazing then that it is just fine to > connect a device to the Internet that can be used to send spam, > launder money, distribute child pron and be used to attack other > connected devices and the entire network. Amazing! > > > >> The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill > >> equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. Can someone point me > >> to real research/statistics about the way that people *actually* > >> run their computers? > > Securing a computer system is a job for well-trained and experienced > IT people. It is not now and never will be a job for the consumer, no > more than fixing a car or repairing the electricals will be. The job > of a software manufacturer is to provide reliable and secure product. > Until that responsibility is legally enforced the problem will just > get worse. > > I wish I could point you at some research done in this area, Alan, > but I haven't run across anything yet. > > cheers > rickw > > > -- > _________________________________ > Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services > > Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display > qualities which he does not possess. > -- Samuel Johnson > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From alan at austlii.edu.au Sun Jan 14 13:31:43 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:31:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:07:13 +1100 Rick Welykochy wrote: > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8608.html > > "In an effort to protect users from fraud and phishing schemes, > eBay subsidiary PayPal is preparing to offer secure key fobs. > The devices, which display a six-digit code that changes every > 30 seconds, will be made available free to all PayPal business > users, and will cost $5 for all personal PayPal account users. > Those who opt in on the key fob will have to enter the six-digit > code when logging in to PayPal." > > Some food for thought for banks. > > The weakness in the PayPal idea is that the fob is opt-in. The very > people most likely to fall victim to phishing scams are likely not > to opt-in ... or is that a cynical syllogism? Rick, What other technical methods might be used to prevent (or at least curtail) phishing? Is there some sort of challenge/response approach using software supplied by the Banks or other targets? I need to look at some positive suggestions for this EFT Code review. Alan > > cheers > rickw > > > > -- > _________________________________ > Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services > > Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display > qualities which he does not possess. > -- Samuel Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From alan at austlii.edu.au Sun Jan 14 14:36:16 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:36:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <45A99C0E.90507@lannet.com.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45A99C0E.90507@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070114143616.7f1932c2.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:57:18 +1100 Howard Lowndes wrote: > > > Alan L Tyree wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 13:07:13 +1100 > > Rick Welykochy wrote: > > > >> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8608.html > >> > >> "In an effort to protect users from fraud and phishing schemes, > >> eBay subsidiary PayPal is preparing to offer secure key fobs. > >> The devices, which display a six-digit code that changes every > >> 30 seconds, will be made available free to all PayPal business > >> users, and will cost $5 for all personal PayPal account users. > >> Those who opt in on the key fob will have to enter the six-digit > >> code when logging in to PayPal." > >> > >> Some food for thought for banks. > >> > >> The weakness in the PayPal idea is that the fob is opt-in. The very > >> people most likely to fall victim to phishing scams are likely not > >> to opt-in ... or is that a cynical syllogism? > > > > Rick, > > What other technical methods might be used to prevent (or at least > > curtail) phishing? Is there some sort of challenge/response approach > > using software supplied by the Banks or other targets? I need to > > look at some positive suggestions for this EFT Code review. > > What's needed is not only for the server to require the client to > authenticate, but for the client to require the server to > authenticate as well to ensure that the server is really who they say > they are. How hard is that to implement? Can I say to ASIC that the Banks could cut phishing losses at a reasonable price with this approach? > > -- > Howard. > LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people > When you want a computer system that works, > just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, > choose Microsoft. -- > Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian > states. > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 14 15:08:01 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:08:01 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <45A9ACA1.3090908@praxis.com.au> Alan L Tyree wrote: > What other technical methods might be used to prevent (or at least > curtail) phishing? Is there some sort of challenge/response approach > using software supplied by the Banks or other targets? I need to look > at some positive suggestions for this EFT Code review. There needs to be an additional form of authentication that has absolutely nothing to do with the website. Thus we have ideas like nonce generators which create a unique token that must be passed back to the server for matching. But what about a phishing attempt that just asks for a username and password, and offers no nonce authentication. At most, the hapless user might notice that the server did not ask for a nonce and think little of it as they provide their username and password to the phishing site. Another suggestion has been to send the nonce to a mobile phone, but that process can be mimicked by a phisher. Yes the phisher has to obtain the mobile phone number, but that is just an extra step in the phishing process. One might think that a digital cert would do the trick. But with a phishing attack, there is no requirement for authentication, and thus the cert would not even be sent by the browser. Java apps and applets have been tried, much to the frustration and inconvenience of customers who might not be running a system that is 100% compatible with the Java code bein sent out by the back. But a phisher could easily provide an erzatz java app that mimics the behaviour of the real thing and trick the user once more. Phishing is very difficult to curtail with just technology, since it is a problem rooted in social engineering more than anything else. The user is fooled into thinking that http://westpac-access-check.com/ is a bonfide Westpac website. And worse, the email in which the phish is sent shows a valid Westpac link (as text) but the hidden hyperlink is to a bogus site. Hapless victims have no idea that they should (a) never click on links in emails unless they trust them 110% and (b) always verify the hostname in a URL. My conclusion is that without an independent authentication path (i.e. not web based) phishing will continue to be a successful way to divest the uninformed consumer of their savings. Give me any web-only authentication system and I can show you how a phisher can duplicate that system to fool all but the expert user - they just have to clone and corrupt the original technology, which is the easy part. Harder is the social engineering. But I think they are getting better at it. It's all in the wording they chose. cheers rickw P.S. google define:nonce produces: "A randomly chosen value, different from previous choices, inserted in a message to protect against replays." -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From grove at zeta.org.au Sun Jan 14 15:34:24 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:34:24 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <20070114143616.7f1932c2.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45A99C0E.90507@lannet.com.au> <20070114143616.7f1932c2.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, Alan L Tyree wrote: >> What's needed is not only for the server to require the client to >> authenticate, but for the client to require the server to >> authenticate as well to ensure that the server is really who they say >> they are. > > How hard is that to implement? Can I say to ASIC that the Banks could > cut phishing losses at a reasonable price with this approach? SSH does it..... ....if I understand correctly. The server has a key as well and the client checks this before proceeding too far. If the server key is incorrect or unexpected, a warning is issued and the session waits for the user to accept the connection or not. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Sun Jan 14 16:14:38 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:14:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <45A9ACA1.3090908@praxis.com.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45A9ACA1.3090908@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$264sef@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 03:08 PM 14/01/2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: >My conclusion is that without an independent authentication path (i.e. not >web based) phishing will continue to be a successful way to divest the >uninformed consumer of their savings. Give me any web-only authentication >system and I can show you how a phisher can duplicate that system to fool >all but the expert user - they just have to clone and corrupt the original >technology, which is the easy part. Harder is the social engineering. But >I think they are getting better at it. It's all in the wording they chose. A few ideas come to mind. 1. There is also the psychology of the consumer with regard to interacting with any site. The power relationship lies with the 'bank', so the individual will? might? look at the situation only from their need to convince the remote site they are who they say they are as the customer. The thought that the remote site would be required to provide the same assurance in reverse is less likely to occur to the individual. After all, the individual initiated the contact, not the other way around. The customer may also see that 'power' ratio as a good thing because it would be interpreted as a stronger security from other who may wish to 'break into' their account. 2. nonces and key fobs are seen to the general public as another 'black magic' technology. Wouldn't have a clue how it works. I don't! For example, is it necessary for there to be some relationship to location for a PayPal fob to work accurately? Are they international or only local? Don't bother explaining, I really wouldn't care. The 'trust the issuer' aspect comes into play. I have one for an old Westpac account. I closed that account. Is it of any value any more? is it only attached to the account I used to have and for which I never used it because it was only required for large dollar amounts? 3. My email program, Eudora, alerts me when I hover on an embedded link if the visible URL is different from the underlying URL to which the user will be sent. It's interesting how many times the phishing emails include legitimate links to things like security and privacy areas from the supposed sender, but redirects to sites in the actual spoof intention like changing a password or updating details. 4. What is the real value of certificates? I've received several alerts where the certificate has expired, do I want to go ahead. I generally do because the page I'm going to access is something I anticipate to be only flat code, nothing that weird. But in terms of this discussion, is there any place for a rigorous implementation of third party certification of site identity and security? When I started seeing the expiry problem, I figured it may have gone past its use date in the security space. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From cas at taz.net.au Sun Jan 14 16:19:49 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:19:49 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <45A9ACA1.3090908@praxis.com.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45A9ACA1.3090908@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070114051949.GC26390@taz.net.au> On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 03:08:01PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Alan L Tyree wrote: > > > What other technical methods might be used to prevent (or at least > > curtail) phishing? Is there some sort of challenge/response approach > > using software supplied by the Banks or other targets? I need to > > look at some positive suggestions for this EFT Code review. > > There needs to be an additional form of authentication that has > absolutely nothing to do with the website. > > Thus we have ideas like nonce generators which create a unique token > that must be passed back to the server for matching. that's pretty much what the key-fob thing is. it generates a code each time the button is pressed which must be supplied along with the login id & password. it provides a second level of authentication - something you HAVE (the key-fob), as well as something you KNOW (the password). > But what about a phishing attempt that just asks for a username and > password, and offers no nonce authentication. At most, the hapless > user might notice that the server if the banking site requires the unique code as well as the login & password, then the phisher only ends up with part of what they need to loot the account. i have one for my (Bendigo Bank) account. if i want to login, i have to have it with me. i'm reasonably happy with the level of security it provides. i'd be happier still if (see below), i could upload a client certificate to my bank site as well and restrict logins to browsers holding that cert. > One might think that a digital cert would do the trick. But with a > phishing attack, there is no requirement for authentication, and thus > the cert would not even be sent by the browser. about the only thing that might work is client-side certificates. all banking sites need to do to enable that is to have an option where the user can upload their public certificate and click an option that says "only allow connections from this certificate". alternatively, a button at the bank site to generate a client certificate and download it to the client. of course, phishers can still attack windows users by sending out viruses/trojans that look for and steal certificate files. fortunately, it is possible to protect them with a pass-phrase (which doesn't get sent to a remote web site). a client certificate would be another instance of "something you have" - another level of authentication...but because it's digital and is on the client's computer, is easier to copy/steal than a separate hardware device like a key-chain gizmo. > Phishing is very difficult to curtail with just technology, since it is > a problem rooted in social engineering more than anything else. The user true. > is fooled into thinking that http://westpac-access-check.com/ is a bonfide > Westpac website. And worse, the email in which the phish is sent shows > a valid Westpac link (as text) but the hidden hyperlink is to a bogus > site. Hapless victims have no idea that they should (a) never click on > links in emails unless they trust them 110% and (b) always verify the > hostname in a URL. actually, they should never click on email links to non-trivial sites, regardless of how much they trust the site - because they have no idea whether the link is actually to the site that it is claiming to link to, nor do they have enough knowledge to make an accurate assessment of the trustworthiness of a site. better just to say "NEVER click on links in email". that would help a lot, especially if coupled with banks getting a clue and NEVER sending email to their clients, and loudly informing them on every visit to their site that they NEVER send email so any email claiming to be from them MUST be a forgery. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Sun Jan 14 17:07:29 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:07:29 +1100 Subject: 'User Certs' [Was Re: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <20070114051949.GC26390@taz.net.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> <20070114133143.067a4e4b.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45A9ACA1.3090908@praxis.com.au> <20070114051949.GC26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: Some observations about signing by users. 1. In general I agree with what Craig says, but ... 2. It's important to avoid the commonly-used shorthand, because it's misleading in an important manner. The certificate and the 'private digital signature key' need to be distinguished. All sentences that refer to 'something that the user knows' need to use the term 'private key' and the generation of a 'digital signature'. All sentences that refer to how the server-side / fin'l instn uses the digital signature to perform authentication of the client need to use the term 'certificate'. I know it's pedantic but it matters. All manner of blunders are being made by user organisations, and by the under-educated sales people working for suppliers, because the language has been allowed to slip, and misinformation is being spread all over the place. 3. A decade ago, when people mistakenly thought that PKI would help, I was deeply involved in a lot of work, variously consultancy and research. These are about as crisp as anything I wrote back then: http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/DV/DigSig.html#Pte (1997) http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/DV/PKIPosn.html (1998) http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/ECIS2001.html (2001) The conclusion was, and remains: "Conventional PKI involves enormous complexity, effort and expense, in return for insecure protections, very weak evidence, and very limited recourse. Both corporations and individuals, including consumers, citizens, employees and contractors (especially those in sensitive circumstances) should have serious doubts about schemes of this nature being inflicted upon them." At 16:19 +1100 14/1/07, Craig Sanders wrote: >>about the only thing that might work is client-side certificates. > >all banking sites need to do to enable that is to have an option where >the user can upload their public certificate and click an option that >says "only allow connections from this certificate". > >alternatively, a button at the bank site to generate a client >certificate and download it to the client. > >of course, phishers can still attack windows users by sending out >viruses/trojans that look for and steal certificate files. fortunately, >it is possible to protect them with a pass-phrase (which doesn't get >sent to a remote web site). > >a client certificate would be another instance of "something you have" >- another level of authentication...but because it's digital and is on >the client's computer, is easier to copy/steal than a separate hardware >device like a key-chain gizmo. -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Sun Jan 14 17:29:30 2007 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:29:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] certificates Message-ID: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> The biggest problem is that users simply ignore both ssl encryption and the existence of certificates, signed or otherwise. I don't know what can be done about this. A smaller problem is that it's trivial to get a signed certificate that verifies that www.westpac-ultrasecure.com really does belong to "WP Inc" or some other such entity. Maybe there should be some kind of certification restricted to Australian financial institutions and managed by ASIC or the RBA. (Of course this won't help with transations with merchants.) But how useful this would be given the bigger problem of user blindness I don't know. Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog --------------------------------------------------------- From cas at taz.net.au Sun Jan 14 18:09:43 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:09:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] certificates In-Reply-To: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070114070943.GD26390@taz.net.au> On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 05:29:30PM +1100, Danny Yee wrote: > The biggest problem is that users simply ignore both ssl encryption > and the existence of certificates, signed or otherwise. sort of. yes, most users do ignore them. and they're ignorant. and negligent. however, that's greatly exacerbated by the fact that NONE of the online banks even support the use of client certificates, so even those who know about them and want to use them CAN'T. it's a bit much to put ALL the blame on the users for not using a feature that isn't even available to them. so, yes - users ARE to blame. so are the banks. > I don't know what can be done about this. banks can start by providing the client-certificate feature as an option and eventually move to requiring it (which would, of course, mean no logging on at internet cafes or other public terminals. incovenient for some, but a good thing security-wise). > A smaller problem is that it's trivial to get a signed certificate > that verifies that www.westpac-ultrasecure.com really does belong to > "WP Inc" or some other such entity. Maybe there should be some kind > of certification restricted to Australian financial institutions > and managed by ASIC or the RBA. (Of course this won't help with > transations with merchants.) But how useful this would be given the > bigger problem of user blindness I don't know. wouldn't make much difference. a CA (certificate authority) is a CA - there's no way for a browser to know that a particular web site is a banking site and SHOULD have a cert signed by a special banking CA managed by ASIC or the RBA or whoever. as far as the user is concerned, their browser only pops up a warning if the site's certificate : - has expired or - is signed by an unknown (and thus untrusted) CA or - is a self-signed certificate or - doesn't match the site's details (i.e. domain name) if it is signed by a known CA then it's just accepted without any warning or even dialog box. so we're back to the fact that the commercial CAs can't be trusted as there are numerous instances of them signing certificates without bothering to verify identity and even, on some occasions, signing bogus certs for well-known organisations (e.g. in one well-known incident a few years ago, one CA signed a certificate for someone claiming to represent Microsoft Corporation) craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From kim.holburn at gmail.com Sun Jan 14 18:56:41 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:56:41 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070114132939.da795246.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <20070114065023.6468b500.alan@austlii.edu.au> <42203EA2-5FFF-4318-B91E-9895F52AEB73@gmail.com> <45A98D16.6090401@praxis.com.au> <20070114132939.da795246.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: How about this: http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/07/ securityreportmid2006.html > 5 July 2006 > Sophos Security Report reveals Trojan domination in first half of 2006 > Malware statistics suggest it is time for home users to switch to Macs > Sophos Security Threat Management Report Update > > Sophos, a world leader in protecting businesses against computer > threats, has published new research into the past six months of > cyber crime. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5150508.stm > Threats prompt Mac switch advice > Trojans now outnumber viruses and worms four to one > Security threats to PCs with Microsoft Windows have increased so > much that computer users should consider using a Mac, says a > leading security firm. > > Sophos security said that the 10 most commonly found pieces of > malicious software all targeted Windows machines. > > In contrast, it said, none of the "malware" were capable of > infecting the Mac OS X operating system. > > Top threats > > The advice from Sophos was given as it released a report, detailing > the security threats posed to computers so far in 2006. > > The report says that there has been a vast drop in malicious > software like viruses and worms. > However, the company warns that there has been a sharp increase in > the number of Trojans. It said that 82% of new security threats > this year were from these programs. > It seems likely that Macs will continue to be the safer place for > computer users for some time to come > Graham Cluley, Sophos > At its peak, the worm accounted for one in every 13 e-mails being > sent. > > The worm infected computers running the Windows operating system, > but was not designed to infect Apple Macs. > > "It seems likely that Macs will continue to be the safer place for > computer users for some time to come," said Mr Cluley. > > "[That is] something that home users may wish to consider if > they're deliberating about the next computer they should purchase," > he added. > > But Brian Gammage, an analyst at Gartner research does not believe > the advice is well founded. > > The number of people using Macs is far less than those using > Window's based PCs, he said. On 2007/Jan/14, at 3:29 AM, Alan L Tyree wrote: > > I agree with that. The thing about the EFT situation is that the Banks > and other providers are perfectly happy to let her hook up with Win98 > or anything else. They won't make the investment to provide any secure > access, but now want to throw the losses on users. A fairly clear case > of externalities. > > I would love to suggest that some of these losses be thrown onto > Microsoft, but I doubt that such a recommendation would meet with much > approval at ASIC! > -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Sun Jan 14 19:05:48 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:05:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] certificates In-Reply-To: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: At 17:29 +1100 14/1/07, Danny Yee wrote: >The biggest problem is that users simply ignore both ssl encryption >and the existence of certificates, signed or otherwise. I don't know >what can be done about this. Those of us who know what certs are supposed to do, and what those warnings are supposed to mean, also ignore them. We do so because we know that they have never meant what they're supposed to mean, and they never will. Here's what I posted to some colleagues a couple of weeks ago: >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:20:03 +1100 > >Re Extended Validation SSL Certificate Vetting Process: >http://www.cabforum.org/vetting.html > >Sounds like something various of us might have written c. 1998? > >As per usual, the difficult bit has been ducked: >"The CA must take all steps reasonably necessary to verify that the >entity named in the EV Certificate has authorized the issuance of >the EV Certificate". > >But is there anything that the relying party can actually rely on, >and can actually seek recompense for in the event that it proves not >to be correct? > >Ah, here we are, at 37(a)(1): >http://www.cabforum.org/EV_Certificate_Guidelines.pdf >"limitations on the CA's liability MUST ... be specified in the CA's >EV Policies, and ... in no event shall the CA seek to limit its >liability to Subscribers or Relying Parties for legally recognized >and provable claims to a monetary amount less than $2,000 per >Subscriber or Relying Party per EV Certificate". > >In other words, "we stand by our certification to the level of ... >the administrative costs of processing your letter of complaint". > >It *looks* like progress; but it still hasn't solved the basic problem. Danny continued: >A smaller problem is that it's trivial to get a signed certificate ... A nice way to put it. > ... that verifies that www.westpac-ultrasecure.com really does belong to >"WP Inc" or some other such entity. Maybe there should be some kind >of certification restricted to Australian financial institutions >and managed by ASIC or the RBA. (Of course this won't help with >transations with merchants.) ... That's called Identrus within the banking community, and they're (still? again?) trying to sell it to merchants under the brandname IdentTrust: http://www.identrust.com/ Identrus works within the closed community of financial institutions that have full-time IT staff, who have lots of expertise and who they can give lots of training, and that can afford the horrendous costs involved. Identrus doesn't work *outside* such circumstances. Remember SET? It was pretty comprehensive, and heavy duty; and in order to work (in a technical sense) it was so heavy duty that it could never work (in a commercial and strategic sense). Locally, there was a project called ANGUS c. 1999-2001: http://www.agimo.gov.au/resources/ppt/2001/010517dm?result_page=14 http://www.agimo.gov.au/resources/ppt/2001/010517dm?result_page=13 http://www.agimo.gov.au/resources/ppt/2001/010517dm?result_page=20 http://www.agimo.gov.au/resources/ppt/2001/010517dm?result_page=31 As far as I can tell, Angus didn't make much progress (although to the credit of our sometime client, then NOIE now AGIMO, the historically important material is still web-accessible). -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Sun Jan 14 19:53:46 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:53:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Google Earth 'helps' bad guys in Iraq Message-ID: <5ii0ro$2667d4@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Terrorists 'use Google maps to hit UK troops' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/13/wgoogle13.xml By Thomas Harding in Basra Last Updated: 2:06am GMT 13/01/2007 Terrorists attacking British bases in Basra are using aerial footage displayed by the Google Earth internet tool to pinpoint their attacks, say Army intelligence sources. Documents seized during raids on the homes of insurgents last week uncovered print-outs from photographs taken from Google. The satellite photographs show in detail the buildings inside the bases and vulnerable areas such as tented accommodation, lavatory blocks and where lightly armoured Land Rovers are parked. [snip] Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From brendansweb at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 14 20:42:30 2007 From: brendansweb at optusnet.com.au (Brendan Scott) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:42:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] certificates In-Reply-To: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <45A9FB06.4090003@optusnet.com.au> Danny Yee wrote: > The biggest problem is that users simply ignore both ssl encryption > and the existence of certificates, signed or otherwise. I don't know > what can be done about this. > > A smaller problem is that it's trivial to get a signed certificate > that verifies that www.westpac-ultrasecure.com really does belong to > "WP Inc" or some other such entity. Maybe there should be some kind > of certification restricted to Australian financial institutions > and managed by ASIC or the RBA. (Of course this won't help with > transations with merchants.) But how useful this would be given the > bigger problem of user blindness I don't know. The more fundamental problem is the assumption that there is a technical solution to the issue of credibility - which there isn't. Certificates necessarily trade off security against pragmatism. It would be easy to largely eliminate identity fraud by requiring all applicants for bank accounts etc to be personally known to their local bank manager for at least 24 months before their application (etc) - but it would be rather inconvenient. Identity fraud etc is a consequence of design decisions which have been made in the banking system. Brendan From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Sun Jan 14 20:45:13 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:45:13 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Link test Tony Message-ID: <5ii0ro$266ip1@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> This is just to see if messages get through from me. One that I sent earlier commenting on the bank security processes didn't post. It was sent as a reply at 16:14 today. Did anyone receive it? The google earth one was sent at 19:53 and just appeared at 20:33. odd.... Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From cas at taz.net.au Sun Jan 14 21:46:06 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:46:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] certificates In-Reply-To: <45A9FC99.9090102@lannet.com.au> References: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> <20070114070943.GD26390@taz.net.au> <45A9FC99.9090102@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070114104606.GE26390@taz.net.au> On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 08:49:13PM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > >or > > - is signed by an unknown (and thus untrusted) CA > > Unknown != Untrusted i didn't say "untrustworthy". i said "untrusted". an unknown CA *IS* untrusted by the browser, compared to a known CA which *IS* trusted. whether either of them are trustworthy or not is an entirely different question. a browser will pop up a scary-looking dialog box when presented with a cert signed by an unknown CA. the user then has to decide (with minimal information) whether to accept/trust that certificate or not. most users will do one of two things: ignore it and click OK regardless or panic and click Cancel regardless. > >or > > - is a self-signed certificate > > Same as previous, and I've never seen that warning it's the same as unknown CA. > >or > > - doesn't match the site's details (i.e. domain name) > > A common problem for virtual web sites. only when the site is run by idiots. it generally means either a) the site is fraudulent or b) the site is run by morons. in either case, it would be a bad idea to trust them with your personal or credit card details. > > if it is signed by a known CA then it's just accepted without any > > warning or even dialog box. so we're back to the fact that the > > commercial CAs can't be trusted as there are numerous instances > > of them signing certificates without bothering to verify identity > > and even, on some occasions, signing bogus certs for well-known > > organisations (e.g. in one well-known incident a few years ago, one > > CA signed a certificate for someone claiming to represent Microsoft > > Corporation) > > A certifcate signed by a "trusted" CA only means that they have paid > the fee - nothing else. of course. i never said, or even implied, otherwise. in fact, i've argued on numerous occasions over the years that the whole PKI/authorised-CA system in browsers is a massive scam, designed (by Netscape Inc and perpetuated by Microsoft) purely to turn something that was infinitely abundant (i.e. provision of encryption certs) into an artificial scarcity to enable a near-monopoly. read what i wrote. my point was precisely that you can't necessarily trust a certificate just because it has been signed by verisign or some other known CA. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From link at todd.inoz.com Sun Jan 14 22:11:58 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:11:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal to combat phishing with key fobs In-Reply-To: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> References: <45A99051.4020407@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070114221040.030ddda8@wheresmymailserver.com> At 01:07 PM 14/01/2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: >http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8608.html > >"In an effort to protect users from fraud and phishing schemes, > eBay subsidiary PayPal is preparing to offer secure key fobs. > The devices, which display a six-digit code that changes every > 30 seconds, will be made available free to all PayPal business > users, and will cost $5 for all personal PayPal account users. > Those who opt in on the key fob will have to enter the six-digit > code when logging in to PayPal." > >Some food for thought for banks. > >The weakness in the PayPal idea is that the fob is opt-in. The very >people most likely to fall victim to phishing scams are likely not >to opt-in ... or is that a cynical syllogism? I think people will opt in. NAB reports a very high uptake on the SMS registration and pin concept. This seems cheaper to me, considering you can send an SMS for 3 cents :) (Yeah I know, but banks like to charge!) But then in my case, we don't have a problem with paypal or banking online. I don't enter data into web sites I'm redirected to! From cas at taz.net.au Mon Jan 15 08:56:11 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 08:56:11 +1100 Subject: [LINK] certificates In-Reply-To: <45AA6B1E.9030204@lannet.com.au> References: <20070114062930.GA9929@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> <20070114070943.GD26390@taz.net.au> <45A9FC99.9090102@lannet.com.au> <20070114104606.GE26390@taz.net.au> <45AA6B1E.9030204@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070114215610.GF26390@taz.net.au> On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 04:40:46AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > >>>or > >>>- doesn't match the site's details (i.e. domain name) > >>A common problem for virtual web sites. > > > >only when the site is run by idiots. > > Don't be insulting. it may be insulting but it's also a fact. anyone running ssl sites ought to at least know how they work and how to set them up. > Go to my site at https:lannet.com.au/mail and you > will see what I mean. i presume you meant "https://WWW.lannet.com.au/mail" because the certificate you have is for lannet.com.au and works fine for that domain. it whinges, however, if you go to https://www.lannet.com.au/ - because www.lannet.com.au is a different domain than lannet.com.au, just as foo.com.au is different from bar.com.au a browser can not assume that a sub-domain (or hostname within a domain - e.g. "www.lannet.com.au") is equivalent to the domain itself (e.g. "lannet.com.au") - otherwise a cert for ".com.au" or even ".com" could undermine the entire system. > Do you have a solution for that, yes. a wildcard certificate, for "*.lannet.com.au". you can buy them from several commercial CAs, or you can generate them yourself with openssl. try a google search for "wildcard ssl certificate". > because even Apache don't? From their FAQ: > > "Why is it not possible to use Name-Based Virtual Hosting to identify > different SSL virtual hosts? that's a limitation of NAME-BASED virtual hosts only, not of all virtual hosts. if you want to do SSL encrypted virtual hosting then you MUST assign a unique IP address (or unique port number) per secure vhost. non-ssl sites can share an IP and use name-based vhosting, ssl sites require their own IP or port. the Apache FAQ you quoted explains why. that has NOTHING to do with the certificate, or whether it matches the site's details. it is entirely possible - and easy - to have multiple virtual hosts on a server, each with its own ssl certificate. all it takes is a little bit of a clue. if you don't understand that, then perhaps you shouldn't be running ssl sites. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 15 10:41:25 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:41:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Research Into Procrastination Shows Surprising In-Reply-To: <200701140104.l0E14Dap021121@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Steve wrote: > > I'm amazed at two things done by the reporters: [perhaps Steward Fist > would comment] Wot! You mean things like misspelling people's names? And, incidentally, I ain't a reporter. I'm a journalist. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 15 11:08:50 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:08:50 +0900 Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme Message-ID: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Re this Media Release from Senator the Hon Helen Coonan on 21 June 2006 $116.6 million to Protect Australian Families Online Is this scheme still alive? National Filter Scheme The National Filter Scheme will receive $93.3 million over three years to provide Australian families with the technology and support to protect their children in a rapidly changing online environment. The Internet industry will continue to offer filters or a filtered service after the initial three year period, at no cost to families. Under this scheme, families will be offered a filtered service or a free filter for their home computer either for download from a dedicated website or delivered to them on CD-ROM. All ISPs will also be required to offer filters to new and existing customers at no additional cost. The filters will allow parents to set access limits based on their own family values to protect children from offensive content on the Internet and emerging new mobile content services. The scheme will be administered by the Department of Communications, Information Technology and the Arts with the support of NetAlert, and will accredit a panel of filters for distribution that have been tested and approved by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) for efficacy and minimum filter standards. To make it easy for parents to install and operate these systems, filter providers will be required to offer phone support. NetAlert provides a free service for parents to seek more generic advice for Internet safety issues that can be accessed by ringing 1800 880 176. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au Mon Jan 15 11:47:18 2007 From: Fred.Pilcher at act.gov.au (Pilcher, Fred) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:47:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme In-Reply-To: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B8009@cal066.act.gov.au> Bernard wrote: > Re this Media Release from Senator the Hon Helen Coonan on 21 > June 2006 > > $116.6 million to Protect Australian Families Online > > million_to_protect_australian_families_online> > > Is this scheme still alive? I wonder how many - if any - copies of the software were distributed. At $116.6 million, dividing A by B would be an interesting exercise. Just for interest's sake, if there were any copies distributed, I'd be interested to see a breakdown by O/S, i.e. how many for Windows, Mac, *nix. Fred ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From kauer at biplane.com.au Mon Jan 15 12:02:05 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:02:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Research Into Procrastination Shows Surprising In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168822926.11906.41.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 10:41 +1100, Stewart Fist wrote: > And, incidentally, I ain't a reporter. I'm a journalist. I realise you have your tongue in your cheek, but it reminds me of the story about the society lass who fussed about at a dinner, making sure she was seated befitting her station. Finally settled, she turned to the elderly gent next to her and said "There! I'm so glad that's sorted out, but these things are *so* important, don't you think?" To which the elderly gent replied "My dear, those who matter don't mind." Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 15 12:07:39 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:07:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme In-Reply-To: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45AAD3DB.8090700@praxis.com.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > Re this Media Release from Senator the Hon Helen Coonan on 21 June 2006 > > $116.6 million to Protect Australian Families Online > > > > Is this scheme still alive? > > > National Filter Scheme From HHGTTG: All that went through the bowl of petunia's mind was this: "Oh no! Not again!" I hope this hairbrained scheme is dead. It is a waste of my and yours hard-earned tax dollars. $116M indeed. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From ahornby at darlug.org Mon Jan 15 12:16:25 2007 From: ahornby at darlug.org (Anthony W. Hornby) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:46:25 +0930 (CST) Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme In-Reply-To: <45AAD3DB.8090700@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <32834740.361168823785527.JavaMail.root@tuxd.darlug.org> Hmmmm .... $116.6 million. That would just about cover the federal government spend on advertising in any given year. Anthony. ahornby at darlug.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Welykochy" To: brd at iimetro.com.au Cc: "link" Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:37:39 AM GMT+0930 Australia/Darwin Subject: Re: [LINK] National Filter Scheme brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > Re this Media Release from Senator the Hon Helen Coonan on 21 June 2006 > > $116.6 million to Protect Australian Families Online > > > > Is this scheme still alive? > > > National Filter Scheme From HHGTTG: All that went through the bowl of petunia's mind was this: "Oh no! Not again!" I hope this hairbrained scheme is dead. It is a waste of my and yours hard-earned tax dollars. $116M indeed. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson _______________________________________________ Link mailing list Link at mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From kauer at biplane.com.au Mon Jan 15 12:19:55 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:19:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme In-Reply-To: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <1168823995.11906.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 09:08 +0900, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > The National Filter Scheme will receive $93.3 million over three years to FAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK! K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 15 12:29:37 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 12:29:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme In-Reply-To: <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B8009@cal066.act.gov.au > References: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <04BB2ABCD8D07E42ADCF98494C1A2C72062B8009@cal066.act.gov.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070115122752.0352e2c0@mail.ah.net> At 11:47 AM 15/01/2007, Pilcher, Fred wrote: >Bernard wrote: > > Re this Media Release from Senator the Hon Helen Coonan on 21 > > June 2006 > > > > $116.6 million to Protect Australian Families Online EGAT! And NSW Government gives Neil Shepherd $2+ billion alone on "protecting families" under the guise of Child protection. Perhaps the Federal Government could just save the extra $116 million and tell the Agencies in each state to look after it by default! > > > million_to_protect_australian_families_online> > > > > Is this scheme still alive? > >I wonder how many - if any - copies of the software were distributed. At >$116.6 million, dividing A by B would be an interesting exercise. > >Just for interest's sake, if there were any copies distributed, I'd be >interested to see a breakdown by O/S, i.e. how many for Windows, Mac, *nix. ROFL! Windows only Fred! From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Mon Jan 15 13:44:43 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (Richard Chirgwin) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:44:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> Debunked, alas, at a thousand miles an hour, as many and various sources will now attest. > One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a non-profit organisation with the goal > of providing children in developing nations with laptop computers, > today announced that "contrary to previously published reports OLPC > has no plans to make the XO laptops available for sale to the general > public." http://www.newswireless.net/index.cfm/article/3130 The mischevious bit of me wonders whether it's a good idea, having someone in the third world receive their first contact with the first world via a request for tech support on a Linux list but there you go ... People tend to think of Westerners as being smitten with superiority and patronising to the rest of the world, just wait until poor goatherd in a 2-hour-per-day school at the edge of a desert tries to ask a support question on a *nix wiki ... "sck off lzr! i'm sick of people who can't be bothered RTFMing clogging the list with stooopid support calls as if this were the M$ 1800 number! go listn to the wait music with the other dregs!" RC Stephen Loosley wrote: > $100 laptop could sell to public > By Darren Waters (snipped) > Technology editor, BBC News website, Las Vegas > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6246989.stm > > > The backers of the One Laptop Per Child project are looking at the possibility of selling the machine to the public. > > One idea would be for customers to have to buy two laptops at once - with the second going to the developing world. > > Five million of the laptops will be delivered to developing nations this summer, in one of the most ambitious educational exercises ever undertaken. > > Michalis Bletsas, chief connectivity officer for the project, said eBay could be a partner to sell the laptop. > > "If we started selling the laptop now, we would do very good business," Mr Bletsas, speaking at the Consumer Electronics Show, told BBC News. > > "But our focus right now is on the launch in the developing world." .. > > The eventual aim is to sell the machine to developing countries for $100 but the current cost of the machine is about $150. > > The first countries to sign up to buying the machine, which is officially dubbed XO, include Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Nigeria, Libya, Pakistan and Thailand. > > The XO's software has been designed to work specifically in an educational context. It has built-in wireless networking and video conferencing so that groups of children can work together. > > The project is also working to ensure that children using the laptop around the world can be in contact. > > The OLPC project is working with Google who will act as "the glue to bind all these kids together". > > The machine is close to a final design > > Google will also help the children publish their work on the internet so that the world can observe the "fruits of their labour", said Mr Bletsas. > > He said that the hope was to put the machine on sale to the general public "sometime next year". > > Mr Bletsas said that a philanthropic organisation would be formed to organise the orders and delivery of the laptops. > > "It's much more difficult to do this than making the laptop," he said. > > The aim is to connect the buyer of the laptop with the child in the developing world who receives the machine. > > "They will get the e-mail address of the kid in the developing world that they have, in effect, sponsored." > > Mr Bletsas was speaking amidst the festival of consumerism taking place on the show floor of CES. > -- > > Cheers people > Stephen Loosley > Victoria, Astralia > > > From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 15 14:08:44 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:08:44 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> Richard Chirgwin wrote: > Debunked, alas, at a thousand miles an hour, as many and various sources > will now attest. > >> One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a non-profit organisation with the goal >> of providing children in developing nations with laptop computers, >> today announced that "contrary to previously published reports OLPC >> has no plans to make the XO laptops available for sale to the general >> public." I predict a surge in backpackers visiting third world countries to buy real cheap laptops from the poor who would rather feed themselves than compute. Laptop tourism replaces eco tourism, so to speak. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From ivan at itrundle.com Mon Jan 15 15:17:27 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:17:27 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On 15/01/2007, at 3:00 PM, Howard Lowndes wrote: > > Rick Welykochy wrote: >> Richard Chirgwin wrote: >>> Debunked, alas, at a thousand miles an hour, as many and various >>> sources will now attest. >>> >>>> One Laptop per Child (OLPC), a non-profit organisation with the >>>> goal of providing children in developing nations with laptop >>>> computers, today announced that "contrary to previously >>>> published reports OLPC has no plans to make the XO laptops >>>> available for sale to the general public." >> I predict a surge in backpackers visiting third world countries >> to buy real cheap laptops from the poor who would rather feed >> themselves >> than compute. Laptop tourism replaces eco tourism, so to speak. > > They could also usefully put then up on Ebay :) OLPC issued a press release suggesting that they will not be sold commercially (buy two, get one free): http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp? ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070112005706&newsLang=en ...when it is blindingly obvious that there are people who would pay more than $100 for these machines. I can see a market for them appearing the moment that the first one is issued. And in any event, there are people who would sell them for LESS than market value to pay for their own food or shelter. OLPC also said in the same press release that the pricing goal will start 'near $100 and then steadily decrease'. Won't take long to make them disposable commodities, then. Now how about inventing one food basket per child (OFBPC? iT From grove at zeta.org.au Mon Jan 15 15:26:10 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:26:10 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: I have spoken to someone who has tried one. He said they take an inordinate amount of time to boot. The GUI is very unresponsive and the icons don't seem to have any context. He said there's some sort of Python backend to the GUI - and if you are waiting for activity, don't click on too many objects at once or you'll end up waiting an eternity. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 15 16:21:48 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:21:48 +0900 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Is it just me or is this yet another technology solution looking for a problem? Reminds me of this story, broadcast on Counterpoint in December http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2006/1808567.htm David O'Connor: Yes, I was in Mongolia, the capital Ulaanbaatar, and I was working as a kind of a journalist but not in the way that Europeans think of as journalists but I was helping them to try to develop a better journalism. I was sent by Australian Volunteers International which is part funded by AusAid, so I guess I was part of the spending of Australian foreign aid. But I had a particular experience with AusAid which was that this is a city of one million people which generates a lot of rubbish and the old system was there was a large container placed outside each block of flats, a very, very large steel container, which was collected and replaced every week. Associated with every container there were scavengers that would get into it, they would take out everything that was recyclable and they would sell it. They lived in the street...this is minus 30 degrees during winter and they lived in the street, and they lived from this money they got from the recycling. AusAid and World Bank got together and decided this was not an efficient garbage system and they brought in a consultant from Australia on a very large salary. The average income in Mongolia is something in the order of $2 a day, and he was on something in the order of $200 a day. He came for a few weeks, consulted with bureaucrats like him who sat in offices, and they came up with a scheme whereby the old containers were removed, smaller wheelie bins were placed around the place. They bought a whole lot of Chinese trucks that had special compacting equipment and they could automatically pick up these wheelie bins and empty them, this would be a much more efficient system. They took away the old bins. The problem was that the scavengers couldn't get into the new wheelie bins, so they threw the garbage out onto the ground so they could go through it and scavenge everything, which meant that every truck had to have two extra staff to shovel the rubbish back into the wheelie bins so the truck could automatically lift up the bin and put it inside. They recycled the old, big cans, but people began to complain that the rubbish was always on the ground. There wasn't enough consideration given to maintenance of the trucks so they all broke down because they get pretty hard wear in that sort of weather. The trucks broke down, the wheelie bins broke, the trucks were removed, they didn't work any more, the wheelie bins were removed because they all broke up, the garbage was just left lying on the ground. They then instituted a system where a truck came round once a week and you had to leave your house when you heard the truck beeping its horn, you would leave your house carrying your garbage and put it in the bin. So the scavengers were also out of work. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Mon Jan 15 20:49:16 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:49:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> Bernard, your scepticism disappoints me. If you have a computer, you will eat: after all, we all have computers and we eat quite well. And the scheme is the brainchild of the Most Fertile Brain, MIT doyen and so on. Bow the knee, anarchist! OK. Sarcasm over, lowest form of wit and so on. The entire scheme is wonderful publicity and that's *all*. It makes me wonder if it wasn't at first dreamed up by Alan Abel. "I'll bet I can get some big-brain to believe he can solve the world's problems with a computer..." It's yet another example of the IT media's hero-syndrome. The merits of an idea have nothing to do with anything: it's the personality, and "who do you follow" (another current example is iPhone, which is now divided along party-lines. I am the only Mac user I know who isn't already counting the days until an Australian release). RC brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > Is it just me or is this yet another technology solution looking for a > problem? > > Reminds me of this story, broadcast on Counterpoint in December > http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2006/1808567.htm > > > David O'Connor: Yes, I was in Mongolia, the capital Ulaanbaatar, and I > was > working as a kind of a journalist but not in the way that Europeans > think of as > journalists but I was helping them to try to develop a better > journalism. I was > sent by Australian Volunteers International which is part funded by > AusAid, so > I guess I was part of the spending of Australian foreign aid. But I had a > particular experience with AusAid which was that this is a city of one > million > people which generates a lot of rubbish and the old system was there > was a > large container placed outside each block of flats, a very, very large > steel > container, which was collected and replaced every week. Associated > with every > container there were scavengers that would get into it, they would > take out > everything that was recyclable and they would sell it. They lived in the > street...this is minus 30 degrees during winter and they lived in the > street, > and they lived from this money they got from the recycling. > > AusAid and World Bank got together and decided this was not an > efficient garbage > system and they brought in a consultant from Australia on a very large > salary. > The average income in Mongolia is something in the order of $2 a day, > and he > was on something in the order of $200 a day. He came for a few weeks, > consulted > with bureaucrats like him who sat in offices, and they came up with a > scheme > whereby the old containers were removed, smaller wheelie bins were placed > around the place. > > They bought a whole lot of Chinese trucks that had special compacting > equipment > and they could automatically pick up these wheelie bins and empty > them, this > would be a much more efficient system. They took away the old bins. > The problem > was that the scavengers couldn't get into the new wheelie bins, so > they threw > the garbage out onto the ground so they could go through it and scavenge > everything, which meant that every truck had to have two extra staff > to shovel > the rubbish back into the wheelie bins so the truck could > automatically lift up > the bin and put it inside. > > They recycled the old, big cans, but people began to complain that the > rubbish > was always on the ground. There wasn't enough consideration given to > maintenance of the trucks so they all broke down because they get > pretty hard > wear in that sort of weather. The trucks broke down, the wheelie bins > broke, > the trucks were removed, they didn't work any more, the wheelie bins were > removed because they all broke up, the garbage was just left lying on the > ground. They then instituted a system where a truck came round once a > week and > you had to leave your house when you heard the truck beeping its horn, > you > would leave your house carrying your garbage and put it in the bin. So > the > scavengers were also out of work. > > > From ivan at itrundle.com Mon Jan 15 22:08:06 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:08:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <0BA16B99-DEAC-4EF3-A660-C41E3B2A6CFE@itrundle.com> On 15/01/2007, at 8:49 PM, rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote: > It's yet another example of the IT media's hero-syndrome. The > merits of an idea have nothing to do with anything: it's the > personality, and "who do you follow" (another current example is > iPhone, which is now divided along party-lines. I am the only Mac > user I know who isn't already counting the days until an Australian > release). No you're not! Add me to you list of one. On the other hand, I do think that the multi-touch (?) approach on the phone Is A Good Thing - but to date, few have considered or explored the ramifications of what the device's interface can offer. But bugger the phone, and the 'He's a Messiah' approach (though it's so rare to have a good showman in the IT world, so I guess it jars a tad to have someone who can actually sell something to the public, even if it isn't any good). T -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 15 22:51:29 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 22:51:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <0BA16B99-DEAC-4EF3-A660-C41E3B2A6CFE@itrundle.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> <0BA16B99-DEAC-4EF3-A660-C41E3B2A6CFE@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$26mas3@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 10:08 PM 15/01/2007, Ivan Trundle wrote: >On the other hand, I do think that the multi-touch (?) approach on >the phone Is A Good Thing - but to date, few have considered or >explored the ramifications of what the device's interface can offer. ...except if you have a vision impairment and the interface doesn't offer a voice overlay. The VIP community reckons it will eventually be made accessible, though. Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Mon Jan 15 23:42:19 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:12:19 +1030 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <45AB76AB.6040705@aarnet.edu.au> rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote: > OK. Sarcasm over, lowest form of wit and so on. The entire scheme is > wonderful publicity and that's *all*. It makes me wonder if it wasn't at > first dreamed up by Alan Abel. "I'll bet I can get some big-brain to > believe he can solve the world's problems with a computer..." I'm not sure that educators are buying into the hype. India pretty much gave OLPC a dressing down -- no courseware, no curriculum material, cultural ignorance (India had trouble getting its teachers to stop rote reading from a textbook and to use blackboards and OLPC hadn't really addressed how to get them to make the step to a PC), no train-the-trainer materials and a cost equal to entire current the non-salary schooling budget. Most countries that have agreed are strong on words like "trial" and "rigorous evaluation". Read between the lines of the article on the NT schools and you see the same thing. Basically the NT article says that they are thinking of trialling the OLPC. I'm not sure that OLPC can sell the machine commercially. Firstly, it reinforces educators' skepticism that this is a laptop project and not an education project, and that perception can kill the OLPC project. You'll notice how quickly Prof Negroponte hosed down commercial sales, and he's the one doing the negotiations. Secondly, it's not worth the effort. OLPC would need to provide warranties, to package the machine in lots of one, to provide repairs, etc, etc. And after facing all these costs if the OLPC is a successful seller Dell, Acer, etc will cherry-pick the features into their machines and OLPC won't see any long-run revenue. The problem with not selling the machine commercially is that it puts out of the running the commercial businesses that currently support school IT, taking with it most of the IT knowledge the school may have had. I'm not sure how fair criticism of the machine's design is. The last computer designed from the ground-up for schools was the BBC Micro. That's an amazingly long time ago and maybe no one knows what a schooling-specific computer should look like anymore. What does concern me is the grandness of the plan given the uncertainty (which implies that iterative design, fielding and evaluation is likely). Certainly the UK was very lucky that Acorn had a fine machine to offer as the BBC Micro. Also worrying is the funding mechanism -- it looks like OLPC are working with a number of development banks, which is a bit odd as you'd think it would be the countries themselves talking with the development banks. The deal with Rwanda reads as though it is simply signing up as a way to enter the Modern World, which is a bit cargo cultish. > It's yet another example of the IT media's hero-syndrome. The merits of > an idea have nothing to do with anything: it's the personality, and "who > do you follow" (another current example is iPhone, which is now divided > along party-lines. I am the only Mac user I know who isn't already > counting the days until an Australian release). Some of us own Mac hardware that has never run Apple software :-) To give Apple credit, they do have good execution of good ideas. Not necessarily their own ideas -- Creative existed before the iPod, iRiver did a fine flash player before the iPod Mano, there were small form factor PCs before the Mac Mini. But the execution of those ideas has been very fine in recent years. And it looks like the iPhone might be the same. Nokia and Motorola have really not done a great deal with the smartphone concept, pretty much pandering to the network operator's visions of expensive walled gardens. And there's no doubt that they've been caught napping, first by RIM and now by Apple. > The mischevious bit of me wonders whether it's a good idea, > having someone in the third world receive their first contact > with the first world via a request for tech support on a Linux > list but there you go ... People tend to think of Westerners as > being smitten with superiority and patronising to the rest of > the world, just wait until poor goatherd in a 2-hour-per-day > school at the edge of a desert tries to ask a support question > on a *nix wiki ... I think the poor goatherd gets the last laugh when she later works in a IT support call centre and makes redundant the cushy and overpaid job of the Westerner :-) Read Craigslist to see just how much the fine people of Silicon Valley appreciate just a small amount of their business moving elsewhere. From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Tue Jan 16 04:42:28 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 04:12:28 +1030 Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme In-Reply-To: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45ABBD04.2010108@aarnet.edu.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > The scheme will be administered by the Department of Communications, Information > Technology and the Arts with the support of NetAlert, and will accredit a panel > of filters for distribution that have been tested and approved by the > Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) for efficacy and minimum > filter standards. Certainly the efficacy of filters needs to be improved. There are a large number of false positives in most filters. A policy to have universal use of filters implies that serious work on reducing false positives needs to occur as this threatens some major public health projects: the last serious look at these filters showed they caught HIV information, breastfeeding information, and sex education (including the information distributed by the SA govt's Child and Youth Health). I wonder if ACMA will make the test plan public so that public health and other agencies get an opportunity to state their requirements of filters. > The Government will keep ISP-level Internet content filtering technology under > regular review and will conduct another trial of ISP-level filtering technology > in Tasmania. This is rigging the results. Tasmania is the simple case for ISP filtering as speeds off the island are slow, average load is low and the exit points are geographically close so there need not be much replication of filtering equipment. All the filtering equipment I've seen has been totally unsuited for use in a large ISP environment. They are basically no more than PCs. And being implemented in software rather than hardware they are open to a huge range of complexity-related attacks. [1] I'd really like to see ACMA's evaluation criteria, as I suspect they are a tad naive. > ACMA will be required to provide an annual report on international trends > in ISP-level filtering and will work closely with NetAlert to investigate > technological improvements in filtering technology. Just bloody marvellous. There are a few startups in this space, mainly hardware firewall firms looking to widen their market. I really hope the government isn't going to require us to buy equipment from the leading two of these, since they both seem to be headed for bankruptcy. I've already been stuffed about by one failed startup and have no desire to go through all that again. There's a huge gulf between "technologically", "deployable" and "financially prudent". Again, I like to see how ACMA's evaluation criteria address this. Cheers, Glen. [1] Every search algorithm has a worst case, usually 10-1000 times worse. So we can send various URLs through the system and observe the changing jitter. We collect together the worse cases and use that to derive information about the implementation -- such as the number of hash buckets, or the URLs at the bottom of the search tree. We then use that information to simply request a set of URLs from the ISP, maybe 10Mbps or so of GET requests. The filtering box overloads (seeing the equivalent of 100Mbps to 100Gbps of requests because of the algorithmic complexity in dealing with our carefully chosen 10Mbps), dropping the ISP. The attack can be launched from outside the ISP since the ISP is going to need to filter both incoming and outgoing URLs. This isn't at all theoretical. There was a lot of work done on Linux about a year ago to reduce as far as possible its vulnerability to algorithmic complexity attacks after some devastating demos (including dropping a box using a 10Kbps stream). Similarly the Snort intrusion detector has had a run of algorithmic attacks by people wanting to drop the Snort box before doing nasty stuff. That's why ISPs are keen only to have hardware forwarding devices in the packet's path. The hardware runs at the worst case speed (although very quickly) so there's no way to make it run worse by fiddling with traffic contents. Where we do have PCs in the forwarding path they are for monitoring and attach using a passive optical splitter. The PC sees one copy of the data and the router the other copy. The router forwards its copy, so the router cares not if the PC is running or not. From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 16 08:34:34 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:34:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$26mas3@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> <0BA16B99-DEAC-4EF3-A660-C41E3B2A6CFE@itrundle.com> <5ii0ro$26mas3@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: On 15/01/2007, at 10:51 PM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 10:08 PM 15/01/2007, Ivan Trundle wrote: >> On the other hand, I do think that the multi-touch (?) approach on >> the phone Is A Good Thing - but to date, few have considered or >> explored the ramifications of what the device's interface can offer. > > ....except if you have a vision impairment and the interface > doesn't offer a voice overlay. The VIP community reckons it will > eventually be made accessible, though. That's exactly why I thought it would be a real asset for vision- impaired: current tactile input devices are not perfect, and generally inflexible in function (other than shift/control/option/alt derivatives). Of course, a voice overlay or some other form of auditory feedback would be required to make multi-touch useful, but I see great potential here. The fact that you don't have to be precise with hitting the right button or key, but rather use gestures, is surely an improvement on multi-button devices (and nondescript in function unless you know where you're at on the keyboard). When I saw a working demo of multi-touch last year, I began to wonder about its potential in many other applications (but funnily enough, didn't consider phones or iPods at the time). iT ps. How much did the people who produced the movie, Minority Report, know of this? From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Fri Jan 12 10:12:22 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:12:22 +1100 Subject: [LINK] ICT industry in Australia, Canberra, 7 March 2007 Message-ID: <20070115223812.70A1E115B0@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Linkers are welcome to attend this free seminar I have arranged with the CEO of the Australian Information Industry Association. No need to book, just turn up: --- DCS SEMINAR SERIES http://cecs.anu.edu.au/seminars/showone.pl?SID=352 The ICT industry in Australia Sheryle Moon, Chief Executive Officer (Australian Information Industry Association (AIIA)) DATE: 2007-03-07 TIME: 16:00:00 - 17:00:00 LOCATION: Department of Computer Science, ANU, Seminar Room, N101, Computer Science and Information Technology (CSIT) Building, North Road, Building 108 ABSTRACT: The Australian Information Industry Association (AIIA) leads the ICT industry in Australia, with almost 500 member companies that generate combined annual revenues of more than $40 billion, employ 100,000 Australians and export more than $2 billion in goods and services each year. This talk will discuss the strategic direction of the Australian ICT industry and needed changes in public policy to accelerate business growth. BIO: Sheryle Moon is the Chief Executive Officer of the AIIA. Sheryle has worked in the ICT sector for more than 25 years in senior leadership positions including Vice President of Computer Sciences Corporation, and a managing partner with Accenture. In 1999, she was named Australian Business Woman of the Year, and she sits on a number of Australian Government advisory boards. Ms Moon has a Bachelor of Economics and a number of postgraduate qualifications, including a Masters of Management in Technology. --- Some links in the blogged version at . Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 16 09:45:49 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:45:49 +1100 Subject: multi-touch screens [was: Re: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public] In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> <0BA16B99-DEAC-4EF3-A660-C41E3B2A6CFE@itrundle.com> <5ii0ro$26mas3@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$26s0l7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 08:34 AM 16/01/2007, Ivan Trundle wrote: >That's exactly why I thought it would be a real asset for vision- >impaired: current tactile input devices are not perfect, and >generally inflexible in function (other than shift/control/option/alt >derivatives). Are you saying there is some tactile response within the screen? Looks like a flat piece of vinyl to me where the information is just the visual picture or keyboard. If you can't see them, you can't move them. >Of course, a voice overlay or some other form of auditory feedback >would be required to make multi-touch useful, but I see great >potential here. The fact that you don't have to be precise with >hitting the right button or key, but rather use gestures, is surely >an improvement on multi-button devices (and nondescript in function >unless you know where you're at on the keyboard). Gestures of what? There has to be a feedback loop of some sort. At least with a limited number of keys the user can implement functions. I don't look at my keyboard (how many keys?) because I'm a touch typist. I just closed y eyes and think I didn't make too many mistakes, but I think I'll open them now. Gee - only missed the m in my! If this was a flat panel, I'm sure the error rate would have been astounding. >ps. How much did the people who produced the movie, Minority Report, >know of this? http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=898 for a comparison for you. Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 16 09:47:45 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:47:45 +1100 Subject: [LINK] National Filter Scheme In-Reply-To: <45ABBD04.2010108@aarnet.edu.au> References: <20070115090850.q8p0toxut78gko0c@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45ABBD04.2010108@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$26s2og@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 04:42 AM 16/01/2007, Glen Turner wrote: >I wonder if ACMA will make the test plan public so that public health and >other agencies get an opportunity to state their requirements of filters. The issue of health info as a way to bypass the filters led me to think of new bypass strategies by porn spammers: just add the word health and you're through! ;-) Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From brd at iimetro.com.au Tue Jan 16 10:22:13 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:22:13 +0900 Subject: [LINK] Dissent over Canberra's card Message-ID: <20070116082213.5vjf1umd93a4ggog@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Dissent over Canberra's card Karen Dearne JANUARY 16, 2007 The Australian http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21064133%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html GRASSROOTS opposition to the federal Government's welfare services access card is building, with campaigners saying Joe Hockey's proposal, despite Government reassurances, is "indistinguishable from a national identity scheme". About 120 individuals and groups have made submissions on the draft access card bill, released on December 13, even though the tight, one-month, public comment period fell over the holidays. The Human Services minister plans to introduce the bill into federal parliament next month, but the draft has been slammed as "seriously inadequate", with many key issues to be decided later and included in a second round of legislation. Tim Warner, convenor of Access Card No Way, said the campaign now boasted "an active cadre of citizens to oppose this illiberal program", with volunteers in every state. "We believe that any national ID scheme is a tragic mistake," he said. "The inadequacies in this draft are deeply disturbing, given the enormous shift this legislation represents. "No inquiry, no debate and certainly no parliamentary discussion has occurred on whether anti-fraud measures require a national register. Instead, the debate is over what sort of register should be introduced." Mr Warner said the draft was like a "Lego set", with many key aspects yet to be decided and introduced by additional legislation or regulation. "The lackadaisical air is astounding," he said. "Oversight and governance, the interaction with existing entitlement systems and mechanisms for handling card suspensions and lost or stolen cards are fundamental to whether this will be an intolerable yoke around every citizen's neck. "We need to know now what is intended and whether better ways can be found, or the whole proposal stopped, before huge sums of public money are diverted from worthwhile purposes." The "clear call for data extension at the whim of the minister or secretary" made public statements about the future of the card "meaningless and temporary", he said. The notion that people would own their cards was laughable, Mr Warner said. "Under the bill, one's own address, telephone number, email address and photograph are all declared Crown property. "Granting a meaningless property right in the card plastic is a very tawdry joke." Australian Privacy Foundation policy co-ordinator Nigel Waters said a key problem was that information was being "dripped out in instalments". "As a result, it's impossible to assess the complete package," he said. "A great many important aspects have not been addressed to date, yet these are inextricably linked to whether the proposed system will work in accordance with the stated aims. "For example, unless issues related to dependants and carers are dealt with, there's no way of telling if the system can deliver efficient and privacy-sensitive Medicare services to all citizens." Until draft legislation was provided on all issues central to the access card's operation, there was no meaningful basis on which to assess the proposal. "It is therefore not appropriate to introduce any legislation until these matters have been dealt with," Mr Waters said. "The APF submits that the bill cannot be sent forward at this stage." Access Card Office chief technology architect Marie Johnson said the legislation clearly spelled out that the card was not a national identity card. "There is no requirement for anyone to carry the card at all times, or to use it for identity purposes other than to access health and social services benefits," she said. "The proposed legislation contains severe penalties of up to five years' jail for anyone else who demands it as a form of identity." Ms Johnson said the Government's release of the exposure draft "before taking it directly to Parliament" demonstrated its commitment to wide community consultation. Welfare Rights Centre policy officer Gerard Thomas said the costs of introducing the card were a problem. "If the costs rise beyond the $1.1 billion price-tag, as many suggest, will the funding gap be met by cuts to services and programs vital to the very disadvantaged people for whom the card is essentially compulsory?" Mr Thomas asked. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 16 10:22:07 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:22:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] certificates In-Reply-To: <200701150101.l0F11OBt000526@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: > > Re: [LINK] certificates It seems to me that we got a lot of security in our early computerised financial dealings (in the days before the internet) when we used the old dial-up phone system to make a direct connection to the bank computer. It wasn't bad for e-mail, either. With my trusty Teletype 33 printer-terminal and a 300 baud modem I was able to conduct international transactions which involved the payment of fairly large sums of money - with little thought of problems. Maybe, if phone calls are migrating to VoIP and onto the internet, the redundant dial-and-switch telephone system can become the preferred (and relatively-secure) network for conducting financial transactions. Don't you sometimes feel that we are stretching the limits of the unregulated internet beyond its capabilities? Certificates, biometrics, and the like often seem to me to be constructing authentication-mountains to solve mole-hill problems. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 16 10:30:59 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:30:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: I wonder how many metres of water-pipe that $100 would buy, if these philanthropic organisation became interested in public health before wanking educational projects. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 16 11:00:16 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:00:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Florida vote counting Message-ID: Note the mention of Florida attorney-general Katherine Harris who designed the famous Florida butterfly-ballot papers which got George Bush elected (while also running the Florida Republican campaign). Also note the emergence of serious machine undercounting of votes -- which appears to have increased to flood proportions in this most recent US election. Apparently a lot of Americans are willing to get up early and stand in line for a couple of hours to vote at a polling station. But then they go into the booth and don't bother to register a vote on the machine. Very strange people, the Americans. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 ---------------- December 29. 2006 5:06PM Judge rules against Jennings, Democrats to seat Buchanan ASSOCIATED PRESS TALLAHASSEE -- A judge ruled Friday that congressional aspirant Christine Jennings has no right to examine the programming source code that runs the electronic voting machines at the center of a disputed Southwest Florida congressional race. Circuit Judge William Gary ruled that Jennings' arguments about the possibility of lost votes were "conjecture," and didn't warrant overriding the trade secrets of the voting machine company. Democrats in Congress meanwhile, said they'd allow Republican Vern Buchanan to take the seat next Thursday, but with a warning that the inquiry wasn't over and that his hold on it could be temporary. The state has certified Buchanan the winner of the District 13 race by a scant 369 votes. The ruling Friday from Judge Gary prevents for now the Jennings camp from being able to use the programming code to try to show voting machines used in Sarasota County malfunctioned. Jennings claims that an unusually large number of undervotes _ ballots that didn't show a vote _ recorded in the race implies the machines lost the votes. "The judge has reaffirmed that there is no merit to Christine Jennings' baseless allegations that the voting machines malfunctioned," Buchanan spokeswoman Sally Tibbetts said in a statement released by his campaign. "As noted by the judge in today's ruling, two parallel tests conducted by the state revealed '100 percent accuracy of the equipment in reporting the vote selections.'" Reggie Mitchell, a lawyer for People for the American Way, a group working with the Jennings campaign in challenging the election results, said the judge's decision would likely be appealed. "We'd like to get (the code) and prove our case as opposed to listening to the state and (the voting machine company's) theories," Mitchell said. Jennings still has a complaint filed before Congress, which is the ultimate arbiter of who will fill the seat. The seat is being vacated by Rep. Katherine Harris, a Republican who unsuccessfully ran for the Senate. "The House has the power to collect evidence and make a decision about who, if anyone, was duly elected to represent the people of the 13th district," U.S. Rep. Rush Holt, D-N.J., said Friday before the judge's ruling. Holt plans to make an official statement next week making it clear that by seating Buchanan, the House isn't forfeiting the right to reverse that decision later. "No one who is in a disputed election like this should get too comfortable in the House of Representatives," Holt said in a news conference at the Capitol. But that was before Gary put a dent in Jennings' plans with his ruling Friday, in which he said that testimony by experts for Jennings about how unlikely it was that voters would have chosen to simply skip the race was merely "conjecture." Drew Hammill, a spokesman for incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said that the judge's ruling Friday didn't change plans by the House to investigate the election, and also noted that the ruling isn't final because Jennings can appeal. But Democrats have no plans to block Buchanan from taking the seat, deciding the people of the southwest Florida district should have representation while the contest is being decided, Hammill said. "This is the best way to maintain representation for Florida District 13 while allowing the two appropriate challenges to run their course," said Hammill. Jennings said she agreed. "I think it's the right thing to do, to seat Vern Buchanan temporarily while we gather evidence," Jennings said before Gary's ruling. "But I am pursuing this and I do believe I will end up being the representative for the people of the 13th District." Neither Jennings nor her lawyers could be immediately reached following Gary's ruling. Holt said Democrats were sending a message that the winner of the seat should be decided deliberately. "This is not going to be a Congress where procedural matters are determined by brute force," he said. But, he said he believed the evidence would show that the vote was marred and there was a good possibility Jennings would ultimately be seated. The electronic touch-screen machines used in Sarasota County are at the center of the challenge. Some 18,000 Sarasota County electronic ballots did not register a vote in the race, a much higher undervote rate _ nearly 15 percent _ than in others such as those for governor or U.S. Senate. Jennings contends the machines lost the votes. Buchanan backers and the company say that if there was an unusually large undervote it was likely because of bad ballot design. The state found no evidence of malfunctions in the machines, which were made by Election Systems & Software. From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 16 12:06:45 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:06:45 +1100 Subject: multi-touch screens [was: Re: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public] In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$26s0l7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> <45AAEA9B.7030604@ozemail.com.au> <45AAF03C.7030803@praxis.com.au> <45AAFC51.2010305@lannet.com.au> <20070115142148.ntryoykjw9sgs88s@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45AB4E1C.2020903@ozemail.com.au> <0BA16B99-DEAC-4EF3-A660-C41E3B2A6CFE@itrundle.com> <5ii0ro$26mas3@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <5ii0ro$26s0l7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <98E2B2F8-4B9C-4ED2-8221-054741D88398@itrundle.com> On 16/01/2007, at 9:45 AM, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 08:34 AM 16/01/2007, Ivan Trundle wrote: >> That's exactly why I thought it would be a real asset for vision- >> impaired: current tactile input devices are not perfect, and >> generally inflexible in function (other than shift/control/option/alt >> derivatives). > > Are you saying there is some tactile response within the screen? No, I was saying that current tactile input devices leave much to be desired. > Looks like a flat piece of vinyl to me where the information is > just the visual picture or keyboard. If you can't see them, you > can't move them. Why move them? The functionality of multi-touch relies on gestures, not precise location. I suggest a look at the iPhone pages on Apple's site, or simply hire out Minority Report for some insights. > >> Of course, a voice overlay or some other form of auditory feedback >> would be required to make multi-touch useful, but I see great >> potential here. The fact that you don't have to be precise with >> hitting the right button or key, but rather use gestures, is surely >> an improvement on multi-button devices (and nondescript in function >> unless you know where you're at on the keyboard). > > Gestures of what? There has to be a feedback loop of some sort. I'm not suggesting that Apple's iPhone has the answers, but feedback (aural or otherwise) isn't likely to be too much trouble in a multi- touch interface. Apple's approach appears to satisfy sighted users well, but I'm suggesting that the whole approach could go a lot further than this. Keyboards are so inefficient in this regard (and I don't fancy carrying one around with me all the time). > At least with a limited number of keys the user can implement > functions. On a keyboard, yes - so long as a) you've got one with you, and b) you know where the keys are when you use them). Consider sign language. It's remarkably good at 'implementing functions' (whatever that can be defined as), too - and doesn't need a keyboard. > I don't look at my keyboard (how many keys?) because I'm a touch > typist. I just closed y eyes and think I didn't make too many > mistakes, but I think I'll open them now. Gee - only missed the m > in my! If this was a flat panel, I'm sure the error rate would have > been astounding. > Only if you were attempting to type using a standard keyboard - which we all know was developed to slow down typing (or more precisely, to stop keys from hitting each other). > >> ps. How much did the people who produced the movie, Minority Report, >> know of this? > > http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=898 > for a comparison for you. Yes, I was aware of Jeff Han's work when he developed it, and was going to mention it in my last post - thanks for finding the reference URL! (I had lost it). I think that there is tremendous possibilities here, if only because it frees the user from having to place keys on a keyboard. And I still regard sight as option in this (though at present the focus is heavily on sighted users). iT From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Tue Jan 16 13:00:26 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:00:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] need help re message labeled spam Message-ID: <5ii0ro$26up14@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Linkers, anyone who is expert on why messages are labeled as spam, even when they came from me? If you could respond privately, I'd like to forward what happened and see if you can explain why. TIA, Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 16 12:38:04 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:38:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Dissent over Canberra's card In-Reply-To: <20070116082213.5vjf1umd93a4ggog@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070116082213.5vjf1umd93a4ggog@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070116123221.032c0db8@wheresmymailserver.com> Hey if there is a National ID card, and all agencies use it. Does that mean you need only do one FOI request to gain ALL information from everywhere about you? I mean, lets face it, if you have a centralised database of information and linked data, then surely there can be one Federal Agency for FOI, with one single application fee and ALL data can then be consolidated into one place. Now I'm all for this! Do you know how many subpoena's I've had to issue to just get the basics about myself from the NSW POLICE! I seem to have about 400 identities, and every department has a different ID for me, and every police officer has different information that each time you make a request you get something different, and then add in other agencies and it's a very costly process. What you get under FOI is different to that produced under subpoena, but the subpoena doesn't often include all the FOI materials, and the FOI materials often include things not included in the Subpoena. Perhaps this is just bureaucracy gone mad, or i's just the governments way of really F*ing itself up totally. I'm not sure. Yet. I hope that in making it cheaper for Government Administration, it will also become cheaper for Public Access! Anyway, a National ID card isn't going to change anything really. Most people freely give their drivers licence and date of birth to anyone who asks. Once you have those two bits, data matching is simple and constant. Some people use their passport. Either way, it's easy to trace a persons identity without too much effort. It's just impossible to gain access to records! A National ID card isn't going to suddenly prevent terrorism, fraud, or false identities, and it won't reduce or remove identity theft. So anyone harping on those lines is fooling only themselves, and the millions of indoctrinated public sheep in our society. (Oh I'm in a mood today!) At 10:22 AM 16/01/2007, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: >Dissent over Canberra's card >Karen Dearne >JANUARY 16, 2007 >The Australian >http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21064133%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html > >GRASSROOTS opposition to the federal Government's welfare services access card >is building, with campaigners saying Joe Hockey's proposal, despite Government >reassurances, is "indistinguishable from a national identity scheme". > >About 120 individuals and groups have made submissions on the draft access >card >bill, released on December 13, even though the tight, one-month, public >comment >period fell over the holidays. > >The Human Services minister plans to introduce the bill into federal >parliament >next month, but the draft has been slammed as "seriously inadequate", with >many >key issues to be decided later and included in a second round of legislation. > >Tim Warner, convenor of Access Card No Way, said the campaign now boasted "an >active cadre of citizens to oppose this illiberal program", with volunteers in >every state. > >"We believe that any national ID scheme is a tragic mistake," he said. "The >inadequacies in this draft are deeply disturbing, given the enormous shift >this >legislation represents. > >"No inquiry, no debate and certainly no parliamentary discussion has >occurred on >whether anti-fraud measures require a national register. Instead, the >debate is >over what sort of register should be introduced." > >Mr Warner said the draft was like a "Lego set", with many key aspects yet >to be >decided and introduced by additional legislation or regulation. > >"The lackadaisical air is astounding," he said. "Oversight and governance, the >interaction with existing entitlement systems and mechanisms for handling card >suspensions and lost or stolen cards are fundamental to whether this will >be an >intolerable yoke around every citizen's neck. > >"We need to know now what is intended and whether better ways can be found, or >the whole proposal stopped, before huge sums of public money are diverted from >worthwhile purposes." > >The "clear call for data extension at the whim of the minister or secretary" >made public statements about the future of the card "meaningless and >temporary", he said. > >The notion that people would own their cards was laughable, Mr Warner said. >"Under the bill, one's own address, telephone number, email address and >photograph are all declared Crown property. > >"Granting a meaningless property right in the card plastic is a very tawdry >joke." > >Australian Privacy Foundation policy co-ordinator Nigel Waters said a key >problem was that information was being "dripped out in instalments". > >"As a result, it's impossible to assess the complete package," he said. "A >great >many important aspects have not been addressed to date, yet these are >inextricably linked to whether the proposed system will work in accordance >with >the stated aims. > >"For example, unless issues related to dependants and carers are dealt with, >there's no way of telling if the system can deliver efficient and >privacy-sensitive Medicare services to all citizens." > >Until draft legislation was provided on all issues central to the access >card's >operation, there was no meaningful basis on which to assess the proposal. > >"It is therefore not appropriate to introduce any legislation until these >matters have been dealt with," Mr Waters said. "The APF submits that the bill >cannot be sent forward at this stage." > >Access Card Office chief technology architect Marie Johnson said the >legislation >clearly spelled out that the card was not a national identity card. > >"There is no requirement for anyone to carry the card at all times, or to >use it >for identity purposes other than to access health and social services >benefits," >she said. > >"The proposed legislation contains severe penalties of up to five years' jail >for anyone else who demands it as a form of identity." > >Ms Johnson said the Government's release of the exposure draft "before >taking it >directly to Parliament" demonstrated its commitment to wide community >consultation. > >Welfare Rights Centre policy officer Gerard Thomas said the costs of >introducing >the card were a problem. > >"If the costs rise beyond the $1.1 billion price-tag, as many suggest, >will the >funding gap be met by cuts to services and programs vital to the very >disadvantaged people for whom the card is essentially compulsory?" Mr Thomas >asked. > > > >-- >Regards >brd > >Bernard Robertson-Dunn >Sydney Australia >brd at iimetro.com.au > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail >_______________________________________________ >Link mailing list >Link at mailman.anu.edu.au >http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 16 12:40:48 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:40:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070116123906.032c0b28@wheresmymailserver.com> At 10:30 AM 16/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >I wonder how many metres of water-pipe that $100 would buy, if these >philanthropic organisation became interested in public health before wanking >educational projects. Yes seems silly to buy a laptop for a 5 year old child that dies 6 months later from malnutrition and other post World War II mostly eradicated in the Western World illnesses. Bit o' pipe and a few pumps, some solar stations and presto. Those kids will have better food increasing their brain function, and can hydrate themselves properly to actually use a computer! From marghanita at ramin.com.au Tue Jan 16 16:02:18 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:02:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services Message-ID: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> In March, I am facilitating a workshop on getting more from time and money invested in online services. Examples are useful and I wondered if linkers have been delighted by any online government services. For the purposes of this exercise I would like to include all three tiers of government and educational institutions if only to include austlii on my good list :-). On the Good List so far: *the RTA motor vehicle registration -integrating pink slips (roadworthyness check) and green slips(third party insurance) *austlii *NSW Land Titles *Victorian e-government resource centre http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/ *ATO annual return system for accountants My own experience with the ATO - E-BAS is that I registered in 2000 - but did not survive their initial upgrades and continue to make paper returns. DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have to upgrade my browser to view a text document. Note, I am keen to hear of effectiveness rather than the technical aspects of the website. eg - I don't use the ATO annual return system, but my accountant does and it seems to provide a good turn around. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From marty at supine.com Tue Jan 16 16:16:28 2007 From: marty at supine.com (Martin Barry) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:16:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070116051628.GB1660@supine.com> $quoted_author = "Marghanita da Cruz" ; > > *ATO annual return system for accountants > > My own experience with the ATO - E-BAS is that I registered in 2000 - > but did not survive their initial upgrades and continue to make paper > returns. It's only a small component, but the ATO online document ordering system works a treat. http://www.ato.gov.au/corporate/content.asp?doc=/content/34875.htm&mnu=3412&mfp=001 cheers Marty From avi.miller at squiz.net Tue Jan 16 17:38:48 2007 From: avi.miller at squiz.net (Avi Miller) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:38:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: On 16/01/2007, at 4:02 PM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have to > upgrade my browser to view a text document. Could you explain this in more detail? There should be no requirement for this -- the new DCITA site was design to be as accessible and backwards compatible as possible. -- National Manager - Special Projects < Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London /> 2/340 Gore Street T: +61 (0) 3 9235 5400 Fitzroy, VIC F: +61 (0) 3 9235 5444 3065 W: http://www.squiz.net ..... > > Open Source - Own It - Squiz.net ...... /> From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 16 17:46:25 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:46:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <66E6CCBD-D84A-4593-AA7F-EDA2B4679A74@itrundle.com> On 16/01/2007, at 5:38 PM, Avi Miller wrote: > > On 16/01/2007, at 4:02 PM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have to >> upgrade my browser to view a text document. > > Could you explain this in more detail? There should be no > requirement for this -- the new DCITA site was design to be as > accessible and backwards compatible as possible. I was wondering about that too - surely this refers to the linking of Microsoft Word documents, or other such things? I've never had to upgrade my browser since all Word and Excel documents are (thankfully) not handled directly by my browser, and I don't want them to, either... And I had always thought that the DCITA site to be quite reasonable, for a .gov.au site, fwiw... iT Still trying to visualise a straw pole... (How long is it? Can it be used in place of tomato steaks?) From avi.miller at squiz.net Tue Jan 16 18:14:14 2007 From: avi.miller at squiz.net (Avi Miller) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:14:14 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Licence change for MySource Matrix Message-ID: <00D20D6F-C3F8-42A9-A98A-A28F74ACB28A@squiz.net> Hey LINKers, I know this has come up for discussion a few times on LINK in the past, so I thought I should highlight an announcement we made today: http://www.squiz.net/news/mysource-matrix-adopts-gpl Thanks, Avi -- National Manager - Special Projects < Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London /> 2/340 Gore Street T: +61 (0) 3 9235 5400 Fitzroy, VIC F: +61 (0) 3 9235 5444 3065 W: http://www.squiz.net ..... > > Open Source - Own It - Squiz.net ...... /> From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Tue Jan 16 19:24:58 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:24:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <45AC8BDA.2050800@ozemail.com.au> Running this one up the pole (sorry, but you're going to be stuck with pole jokes!). This year was the first time I was sufficiently together to do the car registration online (that is, I had everything done nice and early). The entire process worked perfectly (NSW RTA Website). The registration check went from the mechanic to the RTA; the CTP insurance ditto; and the process on the RTA site only took a couple of minutes - and it worked properly on a Mac. So: points for the RTA. I agree with you on that one. Most of my "bad list" sites lately aren't government. Australian car rental sites are a veritable hell on Earth - you cannot for eg say "find me a Tarago in Sydney", you have to search location-by-location. You can't give it a range of start and finish dates - you have to pick a date, and if there's nothing available go back and try another date. The process is almost uniform on most sites (Budget, Thrifty, Avis, Hertz, Europcar), and uniformly atrocious. AND the booking didn't work, so that when I got the "cold shivers" a few days before the booking, and phoned to confirm, "no, we don't have you listed" (I sent the confirmation e-mail as proof, no dice). RC Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > In March, I am facilitating a workshop on getting more from time and > money invested in online services. > > Examples are useful and I wondered if linkers have been delighted by > any online government services. > > For the purposes of this exercise I would like to include all three > tiers of government and educational institutions if only to include > austlii on my good list :-). > > On the Good List so far: > *the RTA motor vehicle registration -integrating pink slips > (roadworthyness check) and green slips(third party insurance) > *austlii > *NSW Land Titles > *Victorian e-government resource centre http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/ > *ATO annual return system for accountants > > My own experience with the ATO - E-BAS is that I registered in 2000 - > but did not survive their initial upgrades and continue to make paper > returns. > DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have to > upgrade my browser to view a text document. > > Note, I am keen to hear of effectiveness rather than the technical > aspects of the website. eg - I don't use the ATO annual return system, > but my accountant does and it seems to provide a good turn around. > > Marghanita From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Tue Jan 16 20:43:24 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:43:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Invisible RFID ink safe for cattle and people, company says Message-ID: <45AC9E3C.7070301@hunterlink.net.au> A new dimension to the RFID debate. "A startup company has developed a chipless radio frequency identification ink that it says has been successfully stamped on cattle and read from as much as four feet away." -- David Boxall | When a distinguished but elderly david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au | scientist states that something is | possible, he is almost certainly | right. When he states that | something is impossible, he is | very probably wrong. --Arthur C. Clarke From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Tue Jan 16 20:50:10 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:50:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Porn industry standardises on HD-DVD Message-ID: <45AC9FD2.5030401@hunterlink.net.au> I really don't know what to make of this. "Reports from the adult industry exhibition in Las Vegas suggest that all the major adult movie studios are standardising on HD-DVD, citing the lower costs of production as the primary driver. But there are reports that Sony may be encouraging this by banning Blu-ray disc manufacturers from accepting adult content at all." -- David Boxall | Dogs look up to us david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au | And cats look down on us | But pigs treat us as equals --Winston Churchill From stephen at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 16 22:18:10 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:18:10 GMT Subject: [LINK] 'big brain' Message-ID: <20070116111810.9752515F44@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> At 08:49 PM 15/01/2007, Richard writes: > " .. some big-brain ..." I believe that this description applies to many, many Linkers, including yourself, Richard. Thus hence, as a Linker writes, don't be insulting :-) Cheers, linkers Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From stephen at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 16 22:50:58 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:50:58 GMT Subject: [LINK] FPGA chips (field programmable gate arrays) Message-ID: <20070116115058.50B8E15F44@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> H.P. to Report an Advance in Adaptable Circuitry By JOHN MARKOFF www.NYTimes.com Published: January 16, 2007 SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 15 ? Hewlett-Packard researchers have developed a novel way to create flexible electronic circuits that could make it routine by the end of the decade to modify and upgrade the circuitry in computer-based consumer products even after they have been sold. The technology grows out of an advance in nanocomputing, which involves creating circuitry on a molecular scale and making it interact with today?s silicon wires and transistors. A cellphone using the technology (FPGA chips) could be wirelessly upgraded to take advantage of improved wireless network standards. Another potential use would be in making ultracheap memory chips, and one early application could be in the ink-jet cartridges which Hewlett- Packard manufactures by the tens of millions. The results of the research, which the company plans to report on Tuesday and will be the subject of an article in the Jan. 24 issue of the British journal Nanotechnology, are the clearest evidence yet that the once highly speculative technology could be commercialized soon. The H.P. researchers are among dozens of groups in the United States and elsewhere who have been pursuing molecular computing for more than a decade. Even as today?s microelectronics industry continues to shrink the size of the wires and switches that make up silicon chips, most engineers believe that sometime in the next decade the microelectronics industry will run up against fundamental limits. That challenge has led a hunt for a new technology in which wires will be no more than several molecules wide and switches will be composed of single atoms. So far many laboratories have fabricated experimental switches and wires on this scale, but little progress has been made on the crucial technical challenge of how to move signals between the world of molecular computing and today?s microelectronic systems. Now the researchers report that they have capitalized on a simple idea proposed by researchers at Stony Brook University in New York. Last year two Stony Brook scientists, Dmitri B. Strukov and Konstantin K. Likharev, proposed a novel way to overlay a mesh of molecular-scale wires, or nanowires, on top of a conventional chip circuit to move data between the two worlds. In 1985, with Dmitri Averin, while teaching the Moscow State University, Likharev proposed a transistor based on the spin of a single electron. Two years later researchers at Bell Laboratories developed a prototype of such a device. The Hewlett-Packard design would be a hybrid that contained transistors made using conventional photolithography techniques with an accompanying mesh of nanowire-connected switches. ?We?ve demonstrated a credible means for shrinking circuit density without shrinking transistors,? said Stan Williams, director of quantum science research at H.P. Labs. The researchers have simulated the design in the lab, and they are starting to build test chips in a laboratory in Corvallis, Ore. They hope to have a working prototype within a year. The Hewlett-Packard researchers, who are based in Palo Alto, Calif., have extended the Stony Brook concept and applied it to a class of computer chips known as field programmable gate arrays, or FPGA. FPGA chips are widely used in the computer industry to design prototype circuits that can later be manufactured less expensively. To gain flexibility, the FPGA chips use large numbers of transistors that can be reconfigured into an infinite array of different circuits. Therefore the flexibility entails much higher cost, and the circuits are not routinely used in final products, but rather in development systems. The Stony Brook and H.P. design, however, would make it possible to build FPGA circuits that are one-eighth to one-tenth the scale of today?s commercial chips. Moreover, they would have the advantage of consuming far less power than conventional microchips because the molecular computing switches are nonvolatile ? that is, they consume power only when switching from one state to another. Such a breakthrough would allow the flexible FPGA-style chips to be used routinely in consumer products manufactured by the tens of millions. It is this advance that could lead to the ability to modify or upgrade the circuitry of standard consumer electronics products already in use. -- Cheers all .. Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia From grove at zeta.org.au Tue Jan 16 23:44:34 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 23:44:34 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] FPGA chips (field programmable gate arrays) In-Reply-To: <20070116115058.50B8E15F44@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> References: <20070116115058.50B8E15F44@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, stephen at melbpc.org.au wrote: > Such a breakthrough would allow the flexible FPGA-style chips to be used > routinely in consumer products manufactured by the tens of millions. It > is this advance that could lead to the ability to modify or upgrade the > circuitry of standard consumer electronics products already in use. The Fairlight company (that one of the famous keyboard sampler instrument) which is an Australian technology company is using FGPA in it's new audio card. It is supposed to offer unprecedented audio processing power at extremely high sample rates which means brilliant quality. And bit for bit it is inexpensive for what it can offer. I only mention this because Fairlight is an Australian company doing something wonderful with technology, even in this drab climate of buying in the commodities from OS. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 16 22:59:55 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 22:59:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] FPGA chips (field programmable gate arrays) In-Reply-To: <20070116115058.50B8E15F44@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> References: <20070116115058.50B8E15F44@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070116225915.031c7ed0@wheresmymailserver.com> Or could be sent a message to give new meaning to Laptop Battery meltdown! "This device will self destruct in five seconds" At 10:50 PM 16/01/2007, stephen at melbpc.org.au wrote: >H.P. to Report an Advance in Adaptable Circuitry >By JOHN MARKOFF www.NYTimes.com >Published: January 16, 2007 > >SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 15 ? Hewlett-Packard researchers have developed a >novel way to create flexible electronic circuits that could make it >routine by the end of the decade to modify and upgrade the circuitry in >computer-based consumer products even after they have been sold. > >The technology grows out of an advance in nanocomputing, which involves >creating circuitry on a molecular scale and making it interact with >today?s silicon wires and transistors. From stephen at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 17 01:50:09 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:50:09 GMT Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services Message-ID: <20070116145009.B00481626E@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> At 04:02 PM 16/01/2007, Marghanita writes: > DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have > to upgrade my browser to view a text document. Marghanita What about down-grading your browser to view a web page then? It's *really not* a good time of year to stuff around with recruitment. -- http://www.education.vic.gov.au/hrweb/careers/vacs/advacssch.htm Jobs in Victorian Government Schools Welcome to Recruitment Online. Whether you are taking the next step in your career or looking for your first job, you will find all Victorian Government school jobs, including principal, assistant principal, teacher and school services officer vacancies advertised here at Recruitment Online . (snipped) Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 Microsoft now has available for download version 7 of Internet Explorer (IE7). Recruitment Online is based on a PeopleSoft platform which is yet to be certified for use with the new version of Internet Explorer. Recruitment Online users who have downloaded IE7 are unable to successfully log in to Recruitment Online. Currently there is no setting that can be altered to overcome this issue. Instructions for un- installing IE7 are available from the Microsoft web site (http://msdn.microsoft.com/ie/releasenotes)" -- Cheers Marghanita Stephen Loosley Vic., Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From stephen at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 17 05:00:12 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:00:12 GMT Subject: [LINK] new SA supercomputer for national grid etc Message-ID: <20070116180012.35AD0683F@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Cluster gives SA new grunt Karen Dearne JANUARY 12, 2007 http://australianit.news.com.au SOUTH Australian researchers are boasting a new supercomputer - a quad- core cluster capable of delivering 6 TeraFLOPS performance, a massive six billion calculations per second. The SGI Altix XE1300 has been bought by the South Australian Partnership for Advanced Computing (SAPAC) to replace "Perseus", the oldest of its four existing supercomputers. The new machine has been dubbed Corvus, the crow, in line with the tradition of naming cluster-based supercomputers after stellar constellations. SAPAC director Professor Tony Williams says Corvus will be the nation's fourth fastest computer, "and, for dedicated R&D, second only to the Australian National Facility" in Canberra. "It will be used to tackle some of the most demanding scientific and technical problems including bioinformatics, water resource and environmental management, oceanography, computational chemistry and the analysis of synchrotron data," Prof Williams said. "It will also become part of the evolving national grid - a network of high-performance computers, data repositories, scientific instruments and the software and services that allow these to interoperate." SAPAC has also purchased associated data management equipment including an SGI 8.4 Terabyte RAID storage array, an archival tape library and fibre channel switch. Prof Williams said the infrastructure would underpin the Sustainable Repository that SAPAC was building to maintain the state's growing research data collections. Corvus will be installed and implemented during March. -- Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From stephen at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 17 05:28:11 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:28:11 GMT Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services Message-ID: <20070116182811.E793116217@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> At 04:33 AM 17/01/2007, Howard writes: >>> DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have >>> to upgrade my browser to view a text document. Marghanita >> >> What about down-grading your browser to view a web page then? >> It's *really not* a good time of year to stuff around with recruitment. >> >> http://www.education.vic.gov.au/hrweb/careers/vacs/advacssch.htm > > Don't worry about it. It seems to work just fine in Firefox, but then, > why wouldn't it :) Yes, the pages work, but to apply for any of the jobs, one needs to login and that's what is apparently broken with IE7. I understand for some jobs advertised one can only apply online and they are not advertised anywhere else. Being mid-January some classes will probably start the year without their teachers, or technical support, one might hazard a guess. Cheers, Howard Stephen Loosley Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 08:47:34 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:47:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <45AD47F6.7060701@ramin.com.au> Avi Miller wrote: > > On 16/01/2007, at 4:02 PM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have to >> upgrade my browser to view a text document. > > > Could you explain this in more detail? There should be no requirement > for this -- the new DCITA site was design to be as accessible and > backwards compatible as possible. > Hi Avi, I raised this on link (though it was under the subject line of [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros and there were a few responses see: Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 09:05:45 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:05:45 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <20070116182811.E793116217@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> References: <20070116182811.E793116217@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45AD4C39.6040500@ramin.com.au> stephen at melbpc.org.au wrote: > At 04:33 AM 17/01/2007, Howard writes: > > >>>>DCITA is currently on my bad list - as I don't think I should have >>>>to upgrade my browser to view a text document. Marghanita >>> >>>What about down-grading your browser to view a web page then? >>>It's *really not* a good time of year to stuff around with recruitment. >>> >>>http://www.education.vic.gov.au/hrweb/careers/vacs/advacssch.htm >> >>Don't worry about it. It seems to work just fine in Firefox, but then, >>why wouldn't it :) > > > Yes, the pages work, but to apply for any of the jobs, one needs to login > and that's what is apparently broken with IE7. I understand for some jobs > advertised one can only apply online and they are not advertised anywhere > else. Being mid-January some classes will probably start the year without > their teachers, or technical support, one might hazard a guess. Thanks Stephen, This is exactly the kind of elaboration I am looking for. Another not so good implementation is the Aus Tenders site. I registered and then discovered from reading the tender that you had to be a preferred supplier to tender. Perhaps the system should clarify this first. An online but not Internet/Public application, I really like, is the over the counter Australia Post Bill Payment. Picture Australia was mentioned previously as being successful because it has a good business model. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From avi.miller at squiz.net Wed Jan 17 09:13:14 2007 From: avi.miller at squiz.net (Avi Miller) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:13:14 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AD47F6.7060701@ramin.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> <45AD47F6.7060701@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <3FEC85A9-9F24-4CF3-97C3-2751F46EC6E2@squiz.net> On 17/01/2007, at 8:47 AM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > I raised this on link (though it was under the subject line of > [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros > and there were a few responses see: Interesting. There are a few XHTML errors (due to the replacement of the built-in search with FunnelBack), but I can't see anything that would stop you from viewing that page in Mozilla. Could you send me (offlist) a screenshot of what you get so I can follow up? Thanks, Avi -- National Manager - Special Projects < Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London /> 2/340 Gore Street T: +61 (0) 3 9235 5400 Fitzroy, VIC F: +61 (0) 3 9235 5444 3065 W: http://www.squiz.net ..... > > Open Source - Own It - Squiz.net ...... /> From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 09:47:17 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:47:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Bilingualism Has Protective Effect In Delaying Onset Of Dementia By Four Years, Canadian Study Shows In-Reply-To: <45AC6C82.3070807@lannet.com.au> References: <45AC6C82.3070807@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45AD55F5.7030507@ramin.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=60646 > > "Canadian scientists have found astonishing evidence that the lifelong > use of two languages can help delay the onset of dementia symptoms by > four years compared to people who are monolingual." > [...] > So where can I buy bi-lingual supplements? M -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From ahornby at darlug.org Wed Jan 17 09:55:50 2007 From: ahornby at darlug.org (anthony hornby) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:25:50 +0930 Subject: [LINK] EU Commission Study Finds You'll Save Money Switching to Free and Open Source Software Message-ID: <1168988150.6891.8.camel@bacchus> >From Groklaw: The EU Commission's Final Report on its "Study on the Economic impact of open source software on innovation and the competitiveness of the Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) sector in the EU" is now available on its policy documents, publications and studies page as a PDF. http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/studies/publications.htm http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/policy/doc/2006-11-20-flossimpact.pdf I thought you'd be interested in the conclusion regarding total cost of ownership. Is it true that switching to Open Source will cost you more than staying with Windows, as Microsoft's "Get the Facts" page claims? No. The study found: "Our findings show that, in almost all the cases, a transition toward open source reports of savings on the long term ? costs of ownership of the software products." But what about training costs? Doesn't that remove the benefits? No, the report found: "Costs to migrate to an open solution are relevant and an organization needs to consider an extra effort for this. However these costs are temporary and mainly are budgeted in less than one year." So there you are. Oh, and what about loss of productivity if you switch to OpenOffice.org? None: "Our findings report no particular delays or lost of time in the daily work due to the use of OpenOffice.org.... OpenOffice.org has all the functionalities that public offices need to create documents, spreadsheets, and presentations." It has another advantage, the study found: it supports ODF: "OpenOffice.org is free, extremely stable, and supports the ISO Open Document Standard." Here's the relevant section with the conclusions of the study: *************************************************************** 12.7. Conclusions Our analysis has been performed on six organizations in different European countries. The majority of them are public bodies. The organizations have followed different types of migration on the base of their context. We have investigated the costs of migration, and the cost of ownership of the old and the new solution differentiating them between the costs of purchasing and the costs of ownership of the software solutions. Special attention has been put on the intangible nature of the costs. Costs have been classified in categories defined trough existing studies and selected by a top down approach called Goal Question Metric. This instrument has been also used to define the questionnaires used to collect the data. Our findings show that, in almost all the cases, a transition toward open source reports of savings on the long term ? costs of ownership of the software products. Costs to migrate to an open solution are relevant and an organization needs to consider an extra effort for this. However these costs are temporary and mainly are budgeted in less than one year. The major factor of cost of the new solution ? even in the case that the open solution is mixed with closed software ? is costs for peer or ad hoc training. These are the best example of intangible costs that often are not foreseen in a transition. On the other hand not providing a specific training may cause and adverse attitude toward the new technology. Fortunately those costs are limited in time and are not strictly linked to the nature of the new software adopted. We also investigated the productivity of the employees in using Microsoft office and OpenOffice.org. Office suites are widely used and are a good test bed and representative for a comparison on issues like effort and time spent in the daily routine of work. Delays in the task deliveries may have a bigger impact than costs on the organization's management. Our findings report no particular delays or lost of time in the daily work due to the use of OpenOffice.org. 12.7.1. Considerations With our analysis we achieve a good level of understanding of the costs, benefits and productivity of a transition. The following are the considerations we have drawn upon. 1. Before buying, upgrading proprietary office software one needs consider that: OpenOffice.org has all the functionalities that public offices need to create documents, spreadsheets, and presentations Upgrading office programs is time-consuming and expensive. It requires installation time, potential document conversions, and new training. It also poses a risk because some documents containing code or macros may not be readable anymore OpenOffice.org is free, extremely stable, and supports the ISO Open Document Standard. -- Mr Anthony Hornby Associate Director, Resources and Technology Library and Information Access Charles Darwin University (CRICOS 300K) Phone: +61 8 8946 6011 Email: anthony.hornby at cdu.edu.au.no-spam (remove the .no-spam) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Wed Jan 17 10:04:39 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:04:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 'The Business of Free Software' Message-ID: The Business of Free Software January 15, 2007 http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5574.html Reports on the following working paper / preprint: Marco Iansiti and Gregory L. Richards "The Business of Free Software: Enterprise Incentives, Investment, and Motivation in the Open Source Community," HBS Working Paper 07-028, http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/07-028.pdf "OSS is a business tool that has been used by a variety of corporations for very logical purposes," notes Iansiti. "If you have an environment in which part of the service you provide and the product you sell can be given away for free, that changes the dynamics of the industry. As a company, you will most likely spend more time thinking about exactly what to give away and how to couple it with complementary products and services than you do anything else." -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Tue Jan 16 12:17:32 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:17:32 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <20070116230537.0853321757@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> At 03:10 AM 1/14/2007, Stephen Loosley wrote: >$100 laptop could sell to public By Darren Waters (snipped) >Technology editor, BBC News website, Las Vegas >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6246989.stm ... I have suggested a $50 educational PC might be more useful . But this is not going to be of great interest to profit driven companies or first world gadget freaks, so I have proposed it could also be made inter-operable with the Microsoft Ford Sync car computer . It could then be used for playing music and video from a mobile device as well as operating a mobile phone remotely. This could be built into a car dashboard, used in the home or made as a portable device . The ANU IT students might be building a prototype as a group project. Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Tue Jan 16 14:45:48 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:45:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] re: Digital Culture Talk on Second Life, 14 February 2007, Canberra Message-ID: <20070116230545.CC5FF1CCA0@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> I wrote Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:14:58 +1100: >>... Kathryn Greenhill, a librarian at Murdoch University Library in >>Western Australia, co-ordinates the Australian Libraries Building. >>She will provide a guided tour of the Australian Libraries Building >>and discuss some of the benefits to librarians of having a Second Life. ... I have should have pointed out that the "Australian Libraries Building" which Kathryn will be providing a guided tour of is not a real building, but a virtual one within the Second Life online environment . Linkers with a good memory will recall Kathryn from the "Internet Reality Check" drinks 15 September 1995 online from the Aria cafe in Fremantle . Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Tue Jan 16 15:05:59 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:05:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Ethics of Killer Robots Message-ID: <20070116230549.B24BC1CCA0@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Philip Argy, president of the Australian Computer Society, wrote a thought provoking article "Dilemma in Killer Bots" (The Australian, January 16, 2007) : 'WHEN science fiction writer Isaac Asimov developed his Three Laws of Robotics back in 1940, the first law was: "A robot may not harm a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm." ... reports out of Korea of newly developed guard robots capable of firing autonomously on human targets are raising concerns about their potential uses. ...'. Roger Clarke wrote an article "Asimov's Laws of Robotics - Implications for Information Technology" for IEEE Computer Magazine in 1993 . There are already some domestic robots available which could raise safety concerns, even if not designed to deliberately harm people. Professor Rodney Brooks, Director of the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, gave a talk in Canberra last year about the potential for low cost robots. The Roomba robot vacuum cleaner he talked about and the Lego robot kit are examples of low cost units available . Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 10:06:30 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:06:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AC8BDA.2050800@ozemail.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> <45AC8BDA.2050800@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <45AD5A76.3030408@ramin.com.au> rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote: > Most of my "bad list" sites lately aren't government. Australian car The correcting factor for commercial sites - is the bottom line. For not for profits it is a bit more tricky. In trying to come up with examples, I suddenly realised that I used very few government sites....so, the next test would be when I needed to do something could I find/use the relevant website? Though I think...this site takes the cake! Wonder what response you get if you try to correspond via the site with this guy. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 10:10:13 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:10:13 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070114025707.01021110@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45AD5B55.7040903@ramin.com.au> Stephen Loosley wrote: > $100 laptop could sell to public > By Darren Waters (snipped) > Technology editor, BBC News website, Las Vegas > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6246989.stm > > > The backers of the One Laptop Per Child project are looking at the possibility of selling the machine to the public. See one at -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 10:25:50 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:25:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] EU Commission Study Finds You'll Save Money Switching to Free and Open Source Software In-Reply-To: <1168988150.6891.8.camel@bacchus> References: <1168988150.6891.8.camel@bacchus> Message-ID: <45AD5EFE.2000202@ramin.com.au> anthony hornby wrote: >>From Groklaw: > > The EU Commission's Final Report on its "Study on the Economic impact of > open source software on innovation and the competitiveness of the > Information and Communication Technologies (ICT) sector in the EU" is > now available on its policy documents, publications and studies page as > a PDF. > > http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/studies/publications.htm > http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/ict/policy/doc/2006-11-20-flossimpact.pdf > > OpenOffice.org is free, extremely stable, and supports the ISO Open > Document Standard. > and... > Indian state goes for open source > By Aaron Tan, ZDNet Asia > Friday , January 12 2007 06:47 PM > > The Indian state of Tamil Nadu is making a move to adopt open source software, due to concerns over security and the high cost of Windows systems. -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Wed Jan 17 10:27:08 2007 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:27:08 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070116232708.GA10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> I think the OLPC project has a lot of problems, but most of the criticism here is poorly thought out. If support for different projects were fungible, then on a cost benefit analysis no one would ever put money into anything except public health and education. But that doesn't happen in Australia -- even charitable donations go to all kinds of purposes -- and it's just utopianism to expect it to happen anywhere else. Development IT projects are not, in most cases, an alternative to public health ones, but an extra. And access to information is critical both for health (how many village clinics in Africa have access to decent medical reference works?), agriculture (information about market prices as well as techniques and weather forecasts), politics (getting input into metropolitan decision making and claiming rights), and education (obviously). There's a *lot* more to development than providing food handouts (which in fact is often a really, really bad idea in fact, as it risks undermining local food production). And assuming poor people can't or wouldn't be able to use IT resources is patronising. The OLPC project should be criticised for not being cost-effect, for being too inflexible, etc. There's nothing wrong with its goals. Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog --------------------------------------------------------- From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 10:33:25 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:33:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <45AD60C5.2010907@ramin.com.au> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > For the purposes of this exercise I would like to include all three > tiers of government and educational institutions if only to include > austlii on my good list :-). I think Link deserves a position on the good list. Can anyone articulate a justification for this other than troubleshooting the DCITA and othe Federal government websites...:-) Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 17 10:38:41 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:38:41 +1100 Subject: [LINK] For Windows Vista Security, Microsoft Called in Pros In-Reply-To: <45A424C6.6090001@lannet.com.au> References: <20070110070232.y0ogc5bb8zggs08k@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45A41710.80703@ramin.com.au> <45A424C6.6090001@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070116233841.GG26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:27:02AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > >Also, can anyone pinpoint why I can't view this page (in Mozilla 1.4 - > >ok, I said I was planning to upgrade...but haven't quite got there yet) > > > > Without going into too much research it looks like a problem with their > TCP stack. The first packet appears and then the sockets stall, > probably doing the ACK. that's often a sign that some moron has misconfigured a firewall to block *ALL* ICMP traffic, including ICMP "fragmentation required" (i.e. "packet is too big, send smaller packets") - this idiocy causes, amongst other problems, Path MTU Discovery to fail. given that you can't ping www.dcita.gov.au, that seems a pretty likely cause. the actual symptom is that small packets get through, but larger ones don't. so a http HEAD request will work, but a GET will fail - which is what is happening here. another common symptom is that small emails (a line or two of text) will get through, but larger ones wont. for more info on why blocking ICMP is broken, see: Broken Path MTU Discovery: http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/56239/ which describes the problem AND contains a link to a site with a good explanation of PMTU Discovery: http://www.netheaven.com/pmtu.html and Common ISP Mistakes: http://www.freelabs.com/~whitis/isp_mistakes.html craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From rick at praxis.com.au Wed Jan 17 11:12:30 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:12:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Bilingualism Has Protective Effect In Delaying Onset Of Dementia By Four Years, Canadian Study Shows In-Reply-To: <45AC6C82.3070807@lannet.com.au> References: <45AC6C82.3070807@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45AD69EE.10304@praxis.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=60646 > > "Canadian scientists have found astonishing evidence that the lifelong > use of two languages can help delay the onset of dementia symptoms by > four years compared to people who are monolingual." I've always thought that Aussies go balmy earlier than Canucks :) J'ai toujours pens? que les aussies devenu toqu? avant que les canadiens :) cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 11:16:37 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:16:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <20070116232708.GA10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070116232708.GA10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <45AD6AE5.70200@ramin.com.au> Danny Yee wrote: > Development IT projects are not, in most cases, an alternative to > public health ones, but an extra. And access to information is > critical both for health (how many village clinics in Africa have > access to decent medical reference works?), agriculture (information > about market prices as well as techniques and weather forecasts), > politics (getting input into metropolitan decision making and claiming > rights), and education (obviously). Danny, I don't think they need a computer or the Internet, in Iraq, to tell them that lack of clean water and sewarage and garbage everywhere because of the destruction of infrastructure is a health problem. though maybe the americans do. marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From ahornby at darlug.org Wed Jan 17 11:19:55 2007 From: ahornby at darlug.org (anthony hornby) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 09:49:55 +0930 Subject: [LINK] 'The Business of Free Software' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168993195.6891.22.camel@bacchus> Thanks Roger, Makes some reasonable statements about why corporations are involved in OSS. Hardly surprising ones though. As to which platform should be the platform of choice, that's easy, it is always "the best one to suit your needs". Open source should be one choice that is considered when selecting a technology solution. It is up to you to work out within your own environment, considering what your organisations priorities and needs are, whether it is the best choice. If only all technology decisions were made based on good understanding of the need/s, and partnered with sane and careful examination of suitability to that identified need/s. Thanks for the links. Anthony. On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 10:04 +1100, Roger Clarke wrote: > The Business of Free Software > January 15, 2007 > http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/5574.html > > Reports on the following working paper / preprint: > > Marco Iansiti and Gregory L. Richards > "The Business of Free Software: Enterprise Incentives, Investment, > and Motivation in the Open Source Community," > HBS Working Paper 07-028, > http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/07-028.pdf > > "OSS is a business tool that has been used by a variety of > corporations for very logical purposes," notes Iansiti. "If you have > an environment in which part of the service you provide and the > product you sell can be given away for free, that changes the > dynamics of the industry. As a company, you will most likely spend > more time thinking about exactly what to give away and how to couple > it with complementary products and services than you do anything > else." > -- Mr Anthony Hornby Associate Director, Resources and Technology Library and Information Access Charles Darwin University (CRICOS 300K) Phone: +61 8 8946 6011 Email: anthony.hornby at cdu.edu.au.no-spam (remove the .no-spam) "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 17 11:19:35 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:19:35 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Bilingualism Has Protective Effect In Delaying Onset Of Dementia By Four Years, Canadian Study Shows In-Reply-To: <200701160951.l0G9ol0d001673@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Howard reveals: > "Canadian scientists have found astonishing evidence that the lifelong > use of two languages can help delay the onset of dementia symptoms by > four years compared to people who are monolingual." I vaguely remember, a few years ago, there was a research report that pointed out that some early Altzheimer sufferers, who were having problems finding words in one language, were often quite fluent in another - if they were bilingual, of course. It showed how localised some of the damage is. But this idea certainly extends the question into a new area of inquiry/enquiry. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Wed Jan 17 11:42:50 2007 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:42:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45AD6AE5.70200@ramin.com.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070116232708.GA10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> <45AD6AE5.70200@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070117004250.GE10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > I don't think they need a computer or the Internet, in Iraq, > to tell them that lack of clean water and sewarage and > garbage everywhere because of the destruction of > infrastructure is a health problem. No, but how are they going to let the world know about their situation? Access to the Internet by ordinary Iraqis has helped counter the spin put out by the US military and administration. Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog --------------------------------------------------------- From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 17 11:59:12 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:59:12 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Bilingualism Has Protective Effect In Delaying Onset Of Dementia By Four Years, Canadian Study Shows In-Reply-To: <45AD69EE.10304@praxis.com.au> References: <45AC6C82.3070807@lannet.com.au> <45AD69EE.10304@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <3DC4833C-65E8-4CAD-A7CC-D0B89AA6AA68@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 17/01/2007, at 11:12 AM, Rick Welykochy wrote: >> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=60646 >> "Canadian scientists have found astonishing evidence that the >> lifelong use of two languages can help delay the onset of dementia >> symptoms by four years compared to people who are monolingual." > > I've always thought that Aussies go balmy earlier than Canucks :) > J'ai toujours pens? que les aussies devenu toqu? avant que les > canadiens :) Hmmmm... The Japanese live for a long time. No wonder with Kanji, Katakana , Hiragana and Romanan characters. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 17 12:20:39 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:20:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <20070117004250.GE10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070116232708.GA10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> <45AD6AE5.70200@ramin.com.au> <20070117004250.GE10627@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <45AD79E7.3010100@ramin.com.au> Danny Yee wrote: > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >>I don't think they need a computer or the Internet, in Iraq, >>to tell them that lack of clean water and sewarage and >>garbage everywhere because of the destruction of >>infrastructure is a health problem. > > > No, but how are they going to let the world know about their situation? > Access to the Internet by ordinary Iraqis has helped counter the spin > put out by the US military and administration. ...those would be bilingual/script iraquis.. -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 17 12:57:22 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:57:22 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <200701170100.l0H10GwC025907@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Danny writes: > If support for different projects were fungible, then on a cost > benefit analysis no one would ever put money into anything except > public health and education. But that doesn't happen in Australia -- > even charitable donations go to all kinds of purposes -- and it's > just utopianism to expect it to happen anywhere else. > > Development IT projects are not, in most cases, an alternative to > public health ones, but an extra. The reason it doesn't happen in Australia is because the base standards are so much higher for the vast majority of citizens, that public health and education is reasonably covered. In places like Africa, philanthropic support for different projects are entirely fungible. And the problems are so obviously at the base public health and survival level, that, to even consider spending good money on laptops for every child, is patently ridiculous. Maslow's hierarch of needs and wants, rested on a foundation of survival essentials. Only when these are reasonably in place do you begin to built on this, layers of less-essential kinds. It is an excellent concept that appears to have been neglected in recent years. Laptops would, in my opinion, be at the top of his hierarchy with such desirable items as monthly supplies of fairy-floss. > And assuming poor people can't or wouldn't be able to use IT resources is > patronising. It is not patronising to point out that people who lack food, water, sanitation, basic medicines, permanent homes, clothes, electric power, the ability to read, and a few hundred other items essential for survival before they need laptops, is just plain common sense. You'd give them transistor radios before you introduced laptops. You'd give them TVs before you gave them laptops. You'd give them bicycles before you gave them laptops. You'd give them electric power and water and food and roads before you gave them laptops. With the best wishes in the world to those earnestly involved in these projects, there's a distinct appearance of the same sort of social disconnect that had a certain French queen suggesting that the poor should eat cake. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Wed Jan 17 13:10:22 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:10:22 +1100 Subject: [LINK] RFI: Dublin Core 10 Years On Message-ID: Help! Someone wrote to me: >I am a [librarianship] researcher with the State of California. >During a recent project I stumbled across your 1997 review of the >hazards posed by the simplicity of the Dublin Core. For my own >information only, I was wondering if your thoughts from 1997, hold >true 10 years later 2007 or if you have altered your opinion. I've not looked at the state of play in quite some years. I'd much appreciate any reactions, and pointers to any useful analyses. My impression is that a lot of developments have occurred alongside rather than as part of the Dublin Code movement, e.g. DOI, DRM. The organisation is still there: http://dublincore.org/about/ Of course, metadata-based search has been held back by the ease-of-use and surprisingly decent quality (at least for non-professional searchers) of brute-force full-text search-engines, in particular Google. Has auto-generation of metadata arrived? Are there convenient mechanisms to support authors to quickly generate metadata for their documents just before they release them? What I wrote in 1997 was: Beyond the Dublin Core: Rich Meta-Data and Convenience-of-Use Are Compatible After All http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/II/DublinCore.html " ... a reaction against what the author perceives as the dangerous simplicity of the Dublin Core. It explains the author's disquiet, and proposes ways in which that scheme's proponents can achieve their aims without creating something that we'll all shortly regret." "The purposes of this paper are: * to establish that meta-data for objects that are intrinsically complex needs to have a rich structure; * to show that this richness does not necessarily imply that user interfaces must be unwieldy; and * to point the way towards a solution that is superior to the present Dublin Core proposal in regard to data structures, and capable of being easy to use. The weaknesses I identified were: 1. 'Simple to a Fault' 2. Incomplete List of Data-Items 3. Lack of Structure 4. Unclear Scope of Applicability to Data Formats 5. Failure to Analyse Rights Management Issues 6. Failure to Address Object-Identity 7. Failure to Allow for Multiple Instances of Meta-Data 8. Failure to Address Ephemeral Objects 9. Failure to Address Instrumental Uses of Meta-Data "To satisfy the desire for simplicity of use, the 'user views' notion could be applied to produce a tiered set of cataloguing mechanisms, along the following lines: * establish a very simple form of meta-data generator based on the existing windows that word processors provide for capturing author information. This could be supplemented by the generation of default keywords from titles, headings, and the document summary or abstract. The user interface would therefore be a modified version of windows already familiar to document authors; * establish similar tools for describing objects other than textual documents, such as images and interviews; * provide a utility that gathers information from an object-originator, and generates a set of meta-data from the data provided. This may involve: * a fixed form; * a conversation or interaction, with a variable sequence of questions depending on the data provided in response to the early questions; or * a mix of prompted and inferred processing; and * a set of complex forms and interactions whereby a cataloguer has access to the full sophistication of the meta-data data structures (together with, of course, an appropriate help-mechanism). -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Wed Jan 17 13:49:37 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:49:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] EMI: Free streaming music for China Message-ID: [Comments at end] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070116-8630.html EMI: Free streaming music for China 1/16/2007 12:38:53 PM, by Nate Anderson It's tough to do business in China when you're a music label. With piracy rates estimated at around 90 percent, cash can be hard to come by even if you have a popular product. In a new initiative designed to make legal music as compelling as the pirated variety, EMI has partnered with Baidu to offer free streaming of its Typhoon Music joint venture. Baidu is the largest search engine in China, which makes it a go-to destination for music searches. In fact, it was so successful that it got sued by the major music labels last year (along with Yahoo! China). They argued that Baidu was liable for providing links to copyrighted material, while the search engine claimed that it could not be held responsible for determining the legality of every link in its index. Baidu has been doing well in court, which may have led EMI to craft a deal rather than risk continued litigation. The new service will stream the complete Typhoon Music catalog for free to Baidu users, who will "be exposed to Internet advertising," according to a statement. If the service works well, the two companies have future plans to develop advertising-supported downloads as well. EMI has realized that it needs to compete with piracy as a business model, not simply to sue the problem out of existence (an impossibility in China, anyway). When the vast majority of your intellectual property is being ripped off, there's not much to lose by experimenting with new distribution methods. If the trial goes well, we expect other labels to announce similar partnerships. It's not their preferred method of distribution, but some yuan are better than no yuan. [Golly, it's true. China may be starting to lead the world ... [We've tried for years to get the music industry to grasp what's going on, experiment with P2P in order to find appropriate techniques, and price sensibly. They're *finally* getting that message (witness the recent Kazaa deal, and the ongoing BitTorrent negotiations). [But now, in parallel with that, it seems that they're experimenting with 'pay with your attention instead of your money' approaches!] -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From wavey_one at yahoo.com Wed Jan 17 13:55:23 2007 From: wavey_one at yahoo.com (David Goldstein) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:55:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LINK] Designing for an Accessible Website workshops Message-ID: <493429.97972.qm@web50103.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Following on from some related debate on the list last year, I?ve discovered that Vision Australia is running more accessibility workshops over the next 6 months. Dates are: Adelaide - 7 March 2007 Brisbane - 21 February 2007 and 7 June 2007 Canberra - 12 April 2007 (Less Technical) and 13 April 2007 (General) Melbourne - 14 February 2007 Sydney - 28 March 2007. More information is available from http://visionaustralia.org.au/info.aspx?page=684 and cost is $475 per person plus GST. Cheers David Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Wed Jan 17 14:58:35 2007 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 14:58:35 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <200701170100.l0H10GwC025907@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070117035835.GB16480@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Stewart Fist wrote: > In places like Africa, philanthropic support for different projects are > entirely fungible. This isn't true. Different NGOs have very different charters: you won't see MSF funding agriculture projects, for example, and if WWF funds a health project it will be a an accompaniment to a conservation project. And it's the same with state resources: different departments and sectors compete for funding and attention and argue over legislation. There's no fundamental difference between Australia and Africa in this regard, and insisting that there is or should be is neo-colonialism. If it's unethical to do charity work in Kenya that isn't directly helping people who are actually hungry or homeless or sick or illiterate, then it's just as unethical to give money to any charity in Australia not dealing with the homeless and hungry and sick and illiterate -- and check out the state of indigenous health if you think we don't have any problems here. > And the problems are so obviously at the base public > health and survival level, that, to even consider spending good money on > laptops for every child, is patently ridiculous. So you'd rather the government spent the money on weapons instead of laptops? If everything is fungible, that's just as sensible a comparison to make, and by that standard the OLPC is a 100% no-brainer great idea. (If we assume a "laptop project" is to be funded out of general revenue, then in many poor countries that would mean less than 1% of the money is being taken from public health and over 50% of it is being taken from military spending.) And again, I stress that both access to information and the ability to lobby for entitlements is critical for public health. In many countries, the problem with public health systems is less how much funding it gets than how little of that actually reaches the people who need it. Anything that improves their ability to pressure governments to improve this may be far more signficant than just pushing more money into the existing system. And projects like OLPC are like panda conservation projects. From no biological cost-benefit perspective does it make any sense to devote the amount of resources to pandas that they get. But they 1) attract publicity that more important projects wouldn't get 2) attract funding that less charismatic projects won't get 3) have spill-over effects in other areas 4) are a positive contribution to the world Of course, if it were up to me I would have started with the experience of projects deploying "conventional" hardware to network local organisations, and tried to address known problems that might be fixed by hardware innovation... Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog --------------------------------------------------------- From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Wed Jan 17 15:33:39 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:03:39 +1030 Subject: [LINK] RFI: Dublin Core 10 Years On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45ADA723.3050402@aarnet.edu.au> Roger Clarke wrote: > My impression is that a lot of developments have occurred alongside > rather than as part of the Dublin Code movement, e.g. DOI, DRM. On the other hand a lot of file formats which need simple metadata use Dublin Core to do the job, especially in XML file formats. Two examples are Open Document Format and Scalable Vector Graphics. > Are there convenient mechanisms to support authors to quickly generate > metadata for their documents just before they release them? Users who fill in Open Office.org's (ODF) Document Properties or Inkscape's (SVG) Image Properties or Acrobat's (PDF) Properties are creating Dublin Core records (in an eXensible Metadata Platform wrapper) they just don't know it. OOo creates a Dublin Core record automatically containing the file name, date, user's name and organisation and can be configured to prompt for the other meta-data when saving for the first time. In that sense Dublin Core has been a success. It prevented a multiplicity of formats for representing basic metadata. Certainly new XML formats that use something other than XMP with DC for metadata about the content have the cluestick applied pretty quickly. The definition of Dublin Core has been tightened up with more fields having recommendations to use a controlled vocabulary. That should help user interfaces considerably as users are much more likely to use a sticky dropdown rather than enter data into a empty field. You might want to compare Dublin Core with the metadata in MP3 files. ID3 tags were invented by amateurs and it shows. For example the controlled vocabulary for Genre is next to useless -- it differentiates Ballad and Power Ballad but there are no entries for Spoken Word let alone differentiating Spoken Word from Book Reading [1]. And the ID3 Year applies to the year of release of the CD, although in practice everyone uses it as if it were the year of recording of the track. Then there was the question of if the ID3 tag goes at the start of the end of the file and if it is padded. In practice you write the data in both formats as some players use one format and other players use the other format. In short, you can see what happens without a well considered document like Dublin Core, even though Dublin Core appears almost trivial. > Has auto-generation of metadata arrived? That's the worst of all worlds. Automatically generated metadata that attempts to analyse content will never be perfect, so you are capturing the progress of the technology at the time the record is created. Better to use full text and use today's technology to analyse the content. Cheers, Glen [1] ID3 Genre tags: ["Blues", "Classic Rock","Country","Dance","Disco","Funk","Grunge","Hip-Hop","Jazz","Metal", "New Age","Oldies","Other","Pop","R&B","Rap","Reggae","Rock","Techno","Industrial","Alternative", "Ska","Death Metal","Pranks","Soundtrack","Euro-Techno","Ambient","Trip-Hop","Vocal","Jazz+Funk", "Fusion","Trance","Classical","Instrumental","Acid","House","Game","Sound Clip","Gospel","Noise", "AlternRock","Bass","Soul","Punk","Space","Meditative","Instrumental Pop","Instrumental Rock", "Ethnic","Gothic","Darkwave","Techno-Industrial","Electronic","Pop-Folk","Eurodance","Dream", "Southern Rock","Comedy","Cult","Gangsta","Top 40","Christian Rap","Pop/Funk","Jungle","Native American", "Cabaret","New Wave","Psychadelic","Rave","Showtunes","Trailer","Lo-Fi","Tribal","Acid Punk", "Acid Jazz","Polka","Retro","Musical","Rock & Roll","Hard Rock","Folk","Folk-Rock","National Folk", "Swing","Fast Fusion","Bebob","Latin","Revival","Celtic","Bluegrass","Avantgarde","Gothic Rock", "Progressive Rock","Psychedelic Rock","Symphonic Rock","Slow Rock","Big Band","Chorus", "Easy Listening","Acoustic","Humour","Speech","Chanson","Opera","Chamber Music","Sonata", "Symphony","Booty Bass","Primus","Porn Groove","Satire","Slow Jam","Club","Tango","Samba", "Folklore","Ballad","Power Ballad","Rhythmic Soul","Freestyle","Duet","Punk Rock","Drum Solo", "A capella","Euro-House","Dance Hall"] -- Glen Turner Tel: (08) 8303 3936 or +61 8 8303 3936 Australia's Academic & Research Network www.aarnet.edu.au From ivan at itrundle.com Wed Jan 17 15:43:23 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:43:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CDD63D7-9F8D-409A-A57B-383EA83A21DD@itrundle.com> Has anyone actually worked out *who* the OLPC is actually aimed at being delivered to? We are all making gross generalisations here, in that we assume that only the very poor would be issued with the devices. I'm not asking a rhetorical question: it's just that I've yet to find the article that has the demographics of the intended customers of this device. Maybe they all have fairy floss at the top of their needs list, and maybe they have transistor radios, decent plumbing, plentiful food, robust shelter, etc. (I simply don't know) iT On 17/01/2007, at 12:57 PM, Stewart Fist wrote: > Danny writes: > >> If support for different projects were fungible, then on a cost >> benefit analysis no one would ever put money into anything except >> public health and education. But that doesn't happen in Australia -- >> even charitable donations go to all kinds of purposes -- and it's >> just utopianism to expect it to happen anywhere else. >> >> Development IT projects are not, in most cases, an alternative to >> public health ones, but an extra. > > The reason it doesn't happen in Australia is because the base > standards are > so much higher for the vast majority of citizens, that public > health and > education is reasonably covered. > > In places like Africa, philanthropic support for different projects > are > entirely fungible. And the problems are so obviously at the base > public > health and survival level, that, to even consider spending good > money on > laptops for every child, is patently ridiculous. > > Maslow's hierarch of needs and wants, rested on a foundation of > survival > essentials. Only when these are reasonably in place do you begin > to built > on this, layers of less-essential kinds. > > It is an excellent concept that appears to have been neglected in > recent > years. > > Laptops would, in my opinion, be at the top of his hierarchy with such > desirable items as monthly supplies of fairy-floss. > >> And assuming poor people can't or wouldn't be able to use IT >> resources is >> patronising. > > It is not patronising to point out that people who lack food, water, > sanitation, basic medicines, permanent homes, clothes, electric > power, the > ability to read, and a few hundred other items essential for > survival before > they need laptops, is just plain common sense. > > You'd give them transistor radios before you introduced laptops. > You'd give them TVs before you gave them laptops. > You'd give them bicycles before you gave them laptops. > You'd give them electric power and water and food and roads before > you gave > them laptops. > > With the best wishes in the world to those earnestly involved in these > projects, there's a distinct appearance of the same sort of social > disconnect that had a certain French queen suggesting that the poor > should > eat cake. > > > -- > Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker > 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia > Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > > !DSPAM:1009,45ad839977002894232319! > > -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From rw at firstpr.com.au Wed Jan 17 15:55:36 2007 From: rw at firstpr.com.au (Robin Whittle) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:55:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] 1.5 Mbps limit lifted from Telstra's ADSL DSLAMs? In-Reply-To: <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> Message-ID: <45ADAC48.7080801@firstpr.com.au> I rebooted my server, and therefore the ADSL link and had the new improved speed this afternoon. Using the Java applet DSL speed test at: http://www.internode.on.net/tools/speedtest/index.htm on a Windows machine, going via the Linux machine to the ADSL link: Downstream Upstream Before 1267 kbps = 154.7 kBps 303 kbps = 37.0 kBps After 3137 kbps = 383.0 kBps 304 kbps = 37.1 kBps These are application data throughput rates. So this is 2.5 times the original speed, which resulted from a 1500 kbps limit on the actual communication link. The "before" tests were done with the mail server running, so if emails were coming in, then the reported figure is an underestimate of the true speed of the link. The wget HTTP download from http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au used to run at about 155 kBps (with the mail server running). Now it runs consistently at 411 kBps, which is 2.66 times the original speed. So this is $10 a month well spent! Uplinks are no faster. I would say the underlying downstream rate is ~2.5 x 1500 ~= 3.75 to 4 Megabits per second. Taking the most likely route of main roads from the Heidelberg "exchange" building to our home, we are about 3.6 km from the DSLAM. This area was developed in the 1950s and 1960s. The pit outside is 1980 or 1990s vintage, with a black plastic cable inside, which I guess is 50 pair or so. I am not sure if this is original wiring or not. Some nearby streets have aerial distribution of the phone wires to houses, with either aerial cable or buried cable running up the poles, but ours is all underground. Maybe they rewired the street in the 1970s or 1980s. - Robin From bpa at iss.net.au Wed Jan 17 15:59:49 2007 From: bpa at iss.net.au (Brenda Aynsley) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:29:49 +1030 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <3CDD63D7-9F8D-409A-A57B-383EA83A21DD@itrundle.com> References: <3CDD63D7-9F8D-409A-A57B-383EA83A21DD@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <45ADAD45.3090202@iss.net.au> Ivan Trundle wrote: > Has anyone actually worked out *who* the OLPC is actually aimed at being > delivered to? We are all making gross generalisations here, in that we > assume that only the very poor would be issued with the devices. > I recall in the very earliest days that the idea was to sell in lots of $million to governments. I would have thought then that each purchaser would have an intended audience in mind for their million dollar investment. Presumably its a classroom/education program rather than a mum and dad at home investment. cheers brenda -- Brenda Aynsley, FACS Director Oz Business Partners http://www.ozbusinesspartners.com/ Mobile:+61(0) 412 662 988 || Skype: callto://baynsley Phone:08 8357 8844 Fax:08 8272 7486 Nodephone:08 7127 0107 Chairman Pearcey Foundation, SA Committee www.pearcey.org.au Immediate Past Chairman ACS SA Branch www.acs.org.au/sa From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Wed Jan 17 16:31:18 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:31:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Aussie Open score update page Message-ID: <5ii0ro$27fq3r@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> I know many linker poo-pood some of the new online services. This one is sorta cool if you can't watch online or on tv during the match. It appears to update nearly realtime. http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/scores/index.html Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From carl at xena.IPAustralia.gov.au Wed Jan 17 16:49:57 2007 From: carl at xena.IPAustralia.gov.au (Carl Makin) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:49:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Keeping FreeBSD up to date vs. Debian In-Reply-To: <45A711FF.9000004@firstpr.com.au> References: <45A61614.30809@firstpr.com.au> <20070111213840.GW26390@taz.net.au> <45A6EE08.6040409@firstpr.com.au> <20070112025057.GX26390@taz.net.au> <45A707DF.5080605@praxis.com.au> <45A711FF.9000004@firstpr.com.au> Message-ID: <87AAFD9C-FA4C-42A7-B208-511C6459F122@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> Hi Robin, On 12/01/2007, at 3:43 PM, Robin Whittle wrote: > I was referring not to setting up the operating system, but keeping it > up-to-date in terms of security patches. I spent a long time > trying to > figure out a foolproof, simple, way of doing this with FreeBSD 5.3 > - and > didn't reach a good conclusion. I am not saying it can't be done - > just > that I couldn't find it after quite a few hours trying. The tools for keeping up to date in FreeBSD are detailed in the FreeBSD Handbook. The only way to do a *foolproof* upgrade is to do it somewhere else first, then upgrade the main system. I run a FreeBSD 6.1 box as my main server here serving a number of mailing lists and websites which I upgrade in place regularly with no problems. Look for cvsup and portupgrade in the handbook for upgrading the system, and portaudit in the ports tree for an automated method for auditing your installed applications for published security issues. Carl. From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 17 18:03:23 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:03:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Link Digest, Vol 170, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <200701170550.l0H5oBPu024080@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Brendan writes: > So you'd rather the government spent the money on weapons instead > of laptops? I assume you just let your emotions get you carried away here, because this is patently ridiculous. In your off-list comment, > I wouldn't necessarily give them radios or TVs before a laptop. ... you are also ridiculously over the top. The fact is that illiterate people can understand audio and video - but surfing the net is generally beyond their capabilities. You can build a radio with a solar panel or hand-generator that doesn't need a month's wages for batteries. A radio station for millions can be programmed by a few people from their own community who know the language. And if we aren't talking about these devices for the Third World, then what are we talking about? -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Wed Jan 17 20:54:10 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:54:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history Message-ID: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> "Telstra is seeking $600 million in funding from the Australian Government's Broadband Connect Infrastructure program to extend backhaul infrastructure to a range of remote communities, install ADSL broadband equipment in 1,560 exchanges and upgrade 1,029 large pair gain systems that currently prevent access to ADSL broadband services in some rural and regional areas." -- David Boxall | My figures are just as good | as any other figures. | I make them up myself, and they | always give me innocent pleasure. | --HL Mencken From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 17 21:41:26 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:41:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 08:54 PM 17/01/2007, David Boxall wrote: >"Telstra is seeking $600 million in funding from the Australian >Government's Broadband Connect Infrastructure program to extend >backhaul infrastructure to a range of remote communities, install >ADSL broadband equipment in 1,560 exchanges and upgrade 1,029 large >pair gain systems that currently prevent access to ADSL broadband >services in some rural and regional areas." Two words: corporate welfare. Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From grove at zeta.org.au Wed Jan 17 22:55:44 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:55:44 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 08:54 PM 17/01/2007, David Boxall wrote: > >> "Telstra is seeking $600 million in funding from the Australian >> Government's Broadband Connect Infrastructure program to extend backhaul >> infrastructure to a range of remote communities, install ADSL broadband >> equipment in 1,560 exchanges and upgrade 1,029 large pair gain systems that >> currently prevent access to ADSL broadband services in some rural and >> regional areas." > > Two words: corporate welfare. But wasn't there a fateful 3 billion dollar rollout of FTTN services that was scotched when Johnny and Sol couldn't stay in the same room with each other last year?! What is going on here? rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From foconnor at ozemail.com.au Wed Jan 17 23:31:07 2007 From: foconnor at ozemail.com.au (Frank O'Connor) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 23:31:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: At 9:41 PM +1100 on 17/1/07 Jan wrote: >At 08:54 PM 17/01/2007, David Boxall wrote: > >>"Telstra is seeking $600 million in funding from the Australian >>Government's Broadband Connect Infrastructure program to extend >>backhaul infrastructure to a range of remote communities, install >>ADSL broadband equipment in 1,560 exchanges and upgrade 1,029 large >>pair gain systems that currently prevent access to ADSL broadband >>services in some rural and regional areas." > >Two words: corporate welfare. > Mmmm ... I predicted Telstra would make a play for the lions share of what's in the trough 12 months back - even as they were saying that servicing the country was uneconomic. Regards, From stephen at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 18 03:49:38 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 03:49:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] OLPC laptop In-Reply-To: <45ADAD45.3090202@iss.net.au> References: <3CDD63D7-9F8D-409A-A57B-383EA83A21DD@itrundle.com> <45ADAD45.3090202@iss.net.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070118031858.02204dd0@melbpc.org.au> At 03:59 PM 17/01/2007, Brenda writes: > Ivan writes: > >> Has anyone actually worked out *who* the OLPC is actually aimed >> at being delivered to? We are all making gross generalisations here, >> in that we assume that only the very poor would be issued with the devices. Quite right, Ivan. OLPC chief technology officer Mary Lou Jepsen said the group, which is already fielding requests from some US states, was interested in working with Australian governments. "We plan to roll out over time globally, and we'd like to extend to all countries," she said. "We don't want to ignore anybody." Dr Jepsen said Australian governments could agree to sponsor laptop purchases in developing countries in addition to buying machines for their own students. "What's happening in some countries like Finland is that they're sponsoring kids in Namibia," she said .. "I have already started working on a $US50 laptop," said Dr Jepsen. > I recall in the very earliest days that the idea was to sell in lots of $million to governments. I would have thought then that each purchaser > would have an intended audience in mind for their million dollar investment. Presumably its a classroom/education program rather than a > mum and dad at home investment. cheers brenda Yes, that's the way it looks, Brenda. The One Laptop Per Child project - which is shipping hand-cranked laptops to Brazil, Argentina, Libya, Nigeria and Thailand - has sparked the interest of the NT Education Department, which will begin testing the machines when schools recommence later this month. The machines are designed for use in remote areas .. The downside for Australian education departments - which have invested heavily in traditional branded laptops - is that the OLPC machines run the free Linux operating system, which is not compatible with Microsoft Windows. On the Oz-teacher list, NT teacher Marty, references News Corp, who are backing the scheme : http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21048174%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html Cheers all .. Stephen Loosley Melbourne, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 16/01/2007 4:36 PM From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 18 07:26:14 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 07:26:14 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> At 11:31 PM 17/01/2007, Frank O'Connor wrote: >>Two words: corporate welfare. > >Mmmm ... I predicted Telstra would make a play for the lions share >of what's in the trough 12 months back - even as they were saying >that servicing the country was uneconomic. Three words: uneconomic for whom? It's no skin off the Sol's nose (or bankbook) if the funding comes from the taxpayer. Gee, you'd think we still had publicly owned telco! What is it with people here? The point of privatisation is to let the investors make the CAPITAL investment (see, that's the way CapitalISM is supposed to work - I learned that in ECO 101). If the government wants to subsidise the USERS of the Capital, that is, the Public who are the TAXpayers, then so be it. But to put that sort of money in the pockets of Tel$tra is insane. Wait...I figured it out. John Howard and Peter Costello are from the Liberal party, major friend of business. What was I thinking? Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Thu Jan 18 08:37:25 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:37:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: >At 11:31 PM 17/01/2007, Frank O'Connor wrote: >>>Two words: corporate welfare. I hate to adopt the role of Telstra-defender, but ... Installing reasonable-level telecomms in even some regional areas, let alone rural areas, let alone remote areas, is financially infeasible for a company. If that was its sole source of revenue, it would go broke. The Directors of any company that did any such thing would be subject to a lawsuit. Agreed: companies cross-subsidise among their business lines and business units (although they use other words for it). But they do so with some degree of rationality, i.e. a business model that supports it. The whole meaning of 'nation' embodies the notion of equitable services irrespective of location within nation. (I carefully used 'equitable' rather than 'equal'). But the appropriate way for that to be achieved is by the taxpayer paying the difference between the cost in the conurbations and the cost in the various other areas. The scheme set up by DCITA does that. Moreover, they called for tenders to accept the subsidy and deliver the services. And Telstra seems to believe that they failed to give Telstra an inside run. Now of course the *real* solution is to drop all this naive belief about the magical nature of the private sector, and recognise the responsibility of government to create and maintain common infrastructure. But the second-best alternative is to do what the government's doing. (I stress that I haven't looked at the *detail* of the DCITA tendering arrangements; so I'm defending the principle not necessarily the specifics). -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From darrell.burkey at anu.edu.au Thu Jan 18 09:07:52 2007 From: darrell.burkey at anu.edu.au (Darrell Burkey) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:07:52 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45ADAD45.3090202@iss.net.au> References: <3CDD63D7-9F8D-409A-A57B-383EA83A21DD@itrundle.com> <45ADAD45.3090202@iss.net.au> Message-ID: I'm at linuconf.au 2007 now and Chris Blizzard of Mozilla has made several presentations about the OLPC project. He has stated quite clearly what Brenda says below in that the laptops are meant for sale to 'developing countries' in very large numbers. This will also help them reach the target cost of $US100 which right now is running at about $US125. Cheers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Darrell Burkey, UNIX Systems Administrator Research School of Pacific & Asian History College of Asia & the Pacific Australian National University Ph: +61-2-6125 4160 On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Brenda Aynsley wrote: > I recall in the very earliest days that the idea was to sell in lots of > $million to governments. I would have thought then that each purchaser would > have an intended audience in mind for their million dollar investment. > Presumably its a classroom/education program rather than a mum and dad at > home investment. > From cas at taz.net.au Thu Jan 18 09:26:20 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:26:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <20070117222620.GH26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 10:55:44PM +1100, grove at zeta.org.au wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: > > >At 08:54 PM 17/01/2007, David Boxall wrote: > > > >>"Telstra is seeking $600 million in funding from the Australian > >>Government's Broadband Connect Infrastructure program to extend backhaul > >>infrastructure to a range of remote communities, install ADSL broadband > >>equipment in 1,560 exchanges and upgrade 1,029 large pair gain systems > >>that currently prevent access to ADSL broadband services in some rural > >>and regional areas." > > > >Two words: corporate welfare. > > But wasn't there a fateful 3 billion dollar rollout of FTTN services > that was scotched when Johnny and Sol couldn't stay in the same room > with each other last year?! What is going on here? that was the pre-sale choreography, which was designed to drive down the T3 share price and to give the electorate the false impression that a fully privatised Telstra would be strictly regulated. now it's post-sale, where they'll kiss and make up (and the "regulatory burden" that T whinged so loudly about will gradually be undone) so that the share price goes back up. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Thu Jan 18 08:52:12 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:52:12 +1100 Subject: [LINK] RFI: Dublin Core 10 Years On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070117222927.3FF75236CC@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> At 01:10 PM 1/17/2007, Roger Clarke wrote: >... My impression is that a lot of developments have occurred >alongside rather than as part of the Dublin Code movement, e.g. DOI, DRM. ... Dublin Core is widely used and I think it is a success as a standard. Perhaps the most widespread use of Dublin Core is in the Creative Commons Licence . When you select a CC licence and describe your content, the Dublin Core metadata is encoded in RDF format. Most people using CC will not know what all the squiggly stuff is and just copy it into their web page as instructed, so they never see any mention of Dublin Core. Dublin Core is also used in the: * Australian Digital Theses Program http://www.tomw.net.au/technology/it/ecommerce/metadata.shtml#adt>, * Australian Government Locator Service (AGLS) and the * Recordkeeping Metadata Standard for Commonwealth Agencies (RKMS) . How much these are actually uses would be an interesting area for research. The problem with metadata stadards is they look trivially simple, until you try to actually use them. I have had three ANU students look at metadata for online museums. In the last project they used data from real Australian museum collections, including the museum with the photos which inspired the movie Ten Canoes . The metadata looks simple, until you try to fit the real world data into it. A new student signed up yesterday and this time they will try to combine what is in the metadata fields predefined by museum experts with what is in the real world (at least the real world of the web). The idea is to cross reference the expert taxonomy with the folksonomy and represent it using the semantic web. The payoff will be if this can be linked to commercial services such as Amazon and eBay. A museum could then use this to sell products related to their collection, or to check to see if stolen artifacts are being sold on eBay. Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Wed Jan 17 13:46:23 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:46:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] ICT industry in Australia, moved to 21 March 2007 Message-ID: <20070117223107.A239A236BB@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> I wrote Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:12:22 +1100: >The ICT industry in Australia ... Sheryle Moon, Chief Executive >Officer (Australian Information Industry Association (AIIA)) ... ANU ... The talk is now on 21 March 2007 . >ABSTRACT: The Australian Information Industry Association (AIIA) >leads the ICT industry in Australia, with almost 500 member >companies that generate combined annual revenues of more than $40 >billion, employ 100,000 Australians and export more than $2 billion >in goods and services each year. > >This talk will discuss the strategic direction of the Australian ICT >industry and needed changes in public policy to accelerate business growth. ... Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From cas at taz.net.au Thu Jan 18 09:33:19 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:33:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27itpf@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <20070117223319.GI26390@taz.net.au> On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 07:26:14AM +1100, Jan Whitaker wrote: > At 11:31 PM 17/01/2007, Frank O'Connor wrote: > >>Two words: corporate welfare. > > > >Mmmm ... I predicted Telstra would make a play for the lions share > >of what's in the trough 12 months back - even as they were saying > >that servicing the country was uneconomic. > > Three words: uneconomic for whom? > > It's no skin off the Sol's nose (or bankbook) if the funding comes > from the taxpayer. Gee, you'd think we still had publicly owned > telco! What is it with people here? The point of privatisation is to > let the investors make the CAPITAL investment (see, that's the way > CapitalISM is supposed to work - I learned that in ECO 101). whatever gave you that silly idea? the point of capitalism is that the investors reap the profits. if they can offload the expenses onto someone else, then so much the better. and the point of privatisation is to offload any public infrastructure that has any chance of making a profit into private hands - and give the government a short-term windfall to plough back into corporate welfare (and a bit of pork-barreling on the side - watch how much of the T3 proceeds gets spent getting Howard & Co re-elected this year). craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From marghanita at ramin.com.au Thu Jan 18 09:51:00 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:51:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <3CDD63D7-9F8D-409A-A57B-383EA83A21DD@itrundle.com> <45ADAD45.3090202@iss.net.au> Message-ID: <45AEA854.9030505@ramin.com.au> Just picking up on the comment about literacy ...there are a lot of literate kids and adults without laptops and I suspect a few illiterate ones who do own laptops. > One Laptop Per Child - The debate continues for OLPCs in Pakistan > > Will UAE possibly support Laptops for every child in Pakistan? > > [Fouad Riaz Bajwa, FOSS Advocate, Lahore - Pakistan, 06-06-2007] > > OLPC has been long debated whether it will be shipped within its initially > announced price of US$100 per laptop and will it be affordable by developing > world countries where national budgets may reach the total cost of buying > these laptops for every child. Currently the true cost of the OLPC possibly > stands at US$208 and if it carries a 5-year long-term support plan, the > price could jump beyond US$ 972 per laptop. OLPC is trying to identify > various solutions to overcome this issue. -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From cas at taz.net.au Thu Jan 18 10:23:01 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:23:01 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <200701170100.l0H10GwC025907@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070117232301.GJ26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 12:57:22PM +1100, Stewart Fist wrote: > You'd give them transistor radios before you introduced laptops. > You'd give them TVs before you gave them laptops. > You'd give them bicycles before you gave them laptops. > You'd give them electric power and water and food and roads before you gave > them laptops. yep. gotta agree with that. it's ridiculous to give a laptop to someone starving to death. but then, it's also ridiculous to focus on the cute starving children and completely ignore the fact that those cute children grow up to be starving adults unable to feed themselves on the crappy marginal land that's all that's left to them after the western-backed rich locals use western money and guns to acquire all the viable farming land to grow cheap cash crops for western commodities markets. and if you were a BigPharma company, before you gave them any of useful things you list, you'd give them out-of-date, banned, or otherwise dangerous pharmaceuticals that they have to dispose of at great expense. kills two birds with one stone - externalises the disposal expenses and you can write it off on tax as a charitable donation. foreign aid isn't always about charity or helping those who need help. often it serves western interests (government and corporate) far more than it serves the needs of people in the third world - in fact, quite often it serves western corporate interests AGAINST the interests of the locals. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From dlochrin at d2.net.au Thu Jan 18 11:05:59 2007 From: dlochrin at d2.net.au (David Lochrin) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:05:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <20070117223319.GI26390@taz.net.au> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070117223319.GI26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <200701181105.59240.dlochrin@d2.net.au> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:33, Craig Sanders wrote: > the point of capitalism is that the investors reap the profits. > if they can offload the expenses onto someone else, > then so much the better. Privatise the profits and socialise the losses! > and the point of privatisation is to offload any public > infrastructure that has any chance of making a profit > into private hands - and give the government a short-term > windfall to plough back into corporate welfare (and a bit of > pork-barreling on the side - watch how much of the T3 > proceeds gets spent getting Howard & Co re-elected > this year). Another bit of corporate welfare is LJH's campaign for nuclear power. Nuclear power in Australia will not contribute much to reducing greenhouse gases - even Dr. Switkowski thinks the most ambitious rollout of nuclear power (25 stations by 2050) will only result in an 18% reduction over business as usual. In the mean time, Britain, with a target of 60% reduction in greenhouse gases by 2050, is reducing its nuclear capacity from the current 20% to 4% by 2023 and 0% by 2035. Given LJH's announcement of his nuclear plans five minutes after seeing George Bush, it's probably safe to assume part of the plan is that Australia will become a repository for the world's waste in order to help the U.S. nuclear industry. New Matilda ran a few articles about this if anyone's interested. David From cas at taz.net.au Thu Jan 18 11:54:43 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:54:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <200701181105.59240.dlochrin@d2.net.au> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070117223319.GI26390@taz.net.au> <200701181105.59240.dlochrin@d2.net.au> Message-ID: <20070118005443.GK26390@taz.net.au> On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 11:05:59AM +1100, David Lochrin wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:33, Craig Sanders wrote: > > the point of capitalism is that the investors reap the profits. > > if they can offload the expenses onto someone else, > > then so much the better. > > Privatise the profits and socialise the losses! as ever. it's the law of the land. > > and the point of privatisation is to offload any public > > infrastructure that has any chance of making a profit > > into private hands - and give the government a short-term > > windfall to plough back into corporate welfare (and a bit of > > pork-barreling on the side - watch how much of the T3 > > proceeds gets spent getting Howard & Co re-elected > > this year). > > Another bit of corporate welfare is LJH's campaign for nuclear > power. Nuclear power in Australia will not contribute much to > reducing greenhouse gases - even Dr. Switkowski thinks the most > ambitious rollout of nuclear power (25 stations by 2050) will only > result in an 18% reduction over business as usual. i reckon it's just a huge red-herring. distract the greenies and environmentalists into fighting the nuclear bogeyman (and hopefully cause some infighting between those who think that GH-gases are a worse danger than nuclear and those who don't*). with luck, the ensuing "debate" will allow the government to sit on the sidelines and continue to do nothing about coal and oil and the pollution they cause. which is exactly what their masters in the coal industry want them to do. the nuclear issue also brings the seriously loony "environmentalists" out of the woodwork - the ones for whom their anti-nuclear stance is a religious conviction rather than a rational evaluation of the evidence. they're great for TV, sensational! and it's easy to paint ALL greenies as seriously disturbed lunatics when you have such great examples plastered all over the nightly news. faith-based nutcases. * personally, i'm a greenie and i'm in favour of nuclear power as PART OF an alternative energy mix. but a) i wouldn't trust howard to choose the best/safest technology or b) to properly regulate the (inevitably american) corporations that would end up with the contracts, and c) i wouldn't trust any american corporation to put safety ahead of profit. so, while on a technical level i'm in favour of nuclear power (modern reactor designs are *SAFE* - and the waste issue is trivial, even in absolute terms but more so when compared to the waste from coal-fired power plants**), on a practical real-world and political level, i just don't trust the bastards. ** especially brown coal as used in victoria - spewing out megatonnes of CO2 and more noxious pollutants, *including* uranium and thorium particles. > Given LJH's announcement of his nuclear plans five minutes after > seeing George Bush, it's probably safe to assume part of the plan > is that Australia will become a repository for the world's waste > in order to help the U.S. nuclear industry. New Matilda ran a few > articles about this if anyone's interested. frankly, a nuclear waste dump in the middle of nowhere in australia actually makes sense. nuclear power (and thus nuclear waste) is a fact of life, it's gotta go somewhere, and better for it to be in an isolated location in a geologically (and politically!) stable region. and australia is actually the original source for much of the uranium anyway. Maralinga, for example, would make a great location. it's already contaminated and off-limits to people. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From adrian at creative.net.au Thu Jan 18 12:11:04 2007 From: adrian at creative.net.au (Adrian Chadd) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:11:04 +0800 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <200701181105.59240.dlochrin@d2.net.au> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070117223319.GI26390@taz.net.au> <200701181105.59240.dlochrin@d2.net.au> Message-ID: <20070118011104.GA18720@skywalker.creative.net.au> On Thu, Jan 18, 2007, David Lochrin wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:33, Craig Sanders wrote: > > the point of capitalism is that the investors reap the profits. > > if they can offload the expenses onto someone else, > > then so much the better. > > Privatise the profits and socialise the losses! > > > and the point of privatisation is to offload any public > > infrastructure that has any chance of making a profit > > into private hands - and give the government a short-term > > windfall to plough back into corporate welfare (and a bit of > > pork-barreling on the side - watch how much of the T3 > > proceeds gets spent getting Howard & Co re-elected > > this year). > > Another bit of corporate welfare is LJH's campaign for nuclear power. Nuclear power in Australia will not contribute much to reducing greenhouse gases - even Dr. Switkowski thinks the most ambitious rollout of nuclear power (25 stations by 2050) will only result in an 18% reduction over business as usual. > > In the mean time, Britain, with a target of 60% reduction in greenhouse gases by 2050, is reducing its nuclear capacity from the current 20% to 4% by 2023 and 0% by 2035. > References please? Correlation vs causation and all that.. Adrian From linda at databasics.com.au Thu Jan 18 13:10:45 2007 From: linda at databasics.com.au (Linda Rouse) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:10:45 +1000 Subject: [LINK] RFI: Dublin Core 10 Years On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Roger >Someone wrote to me: >>I am a [librarianship] researcher with the State of California. >>During a recent project I stumbled across your 1997 review of the >>hazards posed by the simplicity of the Dublin Core. For my own >>information only, I was wondering if your thoughts from 1997, hold >>true 10 years later 2007 or if you have altered your opinion. > >I've not looked at the state of play in quite some years. > >I'd much appreciate any reactions, and pointers to any useful analyses. FWIW, I presented a brief paper (20 min overview) for the DAMAP 06 Conference back in August last year that has references to current thinking re Dublin Core and its use for rich media in digital asset management.. There is a pdf of the Powerpoint pres accessible online at: http://www.databasics.com.au/docs/metapres_hires.pdf >My impression is that a lot of developments have occurred alongside >rather than as part of the Dublin Code movement, e.g. DOI, DRM. Yes - there are a number of related standards now >The organisation is still there: http://dublincore.org/about/ > >Of course, metadata-based search has been held back by the >ease-of-use and surprisingly decent quality (at least for >non-professional searchers) of brute-force full-text search-engines, >in particular Google. > >Has auto-generation of metadata arrived? Auto extraction of metadata from ingested assets is certainly a major component of high level DAM systems though unique fields like Author Title Subject Decription still needs to be added manually to the document by the creator. >Are there convenient mechanisms to support authors to quickly >generate metadata for their documents just before they release them? Some of the better CMS and DAM systems have prefillers for metadata and templates for on-the-fly metadata creation with say, a dropdown to select a specific subject etc. Hope this is helpful. regards Linda -- ================= Linda Rouse, Information Manager DataBasics Pty Limited Phone 1300 886 238 (bus.) Mob: 0412 40 7778 Email linda at databasics.com.au Web http://www.databasics.com.au From dlochrin at d2.net.au Thu Jan 18 13:34:24 2007 From: dlochrin at d2.net.au (David Lochrin) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:34:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <20070118011104.GA18720@skywalker.creative.net.au> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <200701181105.59240.dlochrin@d2.net.au> <20070118011104.GA18720@skywalker.creative.net.au> Message-ID: <200701181334.24756.dlochrin@d2.net.au> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:11, Adrian Chadd wrote: > References please? Correlation vs causation and all that.. >> Another bit of corporate welfare is LJH's campaign for nuclear power. Nuclear power in Australia will not contribute much to reducing greenhouse gases - even Dr. Switkowski thinks the most ambitious rollout of nuclear power (25 stations by 2050) will only result in an 18% reduction over business as usual. See, for example, Dr. Switkowski's speech to the National Press Club published on the Dept. of Prime Minister & Cabinet website at http://www.dpmc.gov.au/umpner/reports.cfm /QUOTE Our panel considered one possible future scenario for Australia which saw a fast deployment of nuclear reactors beginning in 2020 and leading to a national network of 25 nuclear reactors by 2050. At that point, about a third of Australia?s electricity would be nuclear-sourced, and greenhouse gas emissions would be 18% lower than business-as-usual. /UNQUOTE I think this was the most aggressive scenario, and others showed lesser savings in greenhouse emissions, down to 8%. >> In the mean time, Britain, with a target of 60% reduction in greenhouse gases by 2050, is reducing its nuclear capacity from the current 20% to 4% by 2023 and 0% by 2035. See an item from Reuters quoted in toto at http://www.planetark.com.au/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/39669/story.htm /QUOTE Britain to Close Two Oldest Nuclear Power Stations UK: January 2, 2007 LONDON - Britain will on Sunday turn off its two oldest nuclear power plants as part of a process that will retire all but one of the country's ageing nuclear fleet within 16 years. The large Magnox Sizewell A and Dungeness A reactors respectively on England's east and south coast have generated electricity for the past 40 years but have now reached the end of their extended design life. "Combined we produce 1.2 percent of the nation's electricity, but we have been assured by the National Grid that even on New Year's Eve no one's televisions or lights will flicker when we switch off," a spokesman told Reuters on Friday. Nuclear power supplies some 20 percent of Britain's electricity, but that will have slumped to just four percent when the Torness station closes in 2023 leaving just Sizewell B operating until it too closes in 2035. [...] /UNQUOTE As to Britain's 2050 targets, I've forgotten where I found this information but it should be easy to check. The figures for several western European countries were as follows: -???????United Kingdom: 60% by 2050; -???????Netherlands: 30% by 2020 and 80% by 2050; -???????France: 75% by 2050; -???????Germany: 40% by 2020; -???????Sweden: 60% by 2050. > References please? Correlation vs causation and all that.. I'm not sure what you're getting at there. I wasn't trying to show that not using nuclear power led to high greenhouse-reduction targets, merely that high targets are possible without nuclear power. David From brd at iimetro.com.au Thu Jan 18 14:54:20 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:54:20 +0900 Subject: [LINK] Who won the USA 2004 election? Message-ID: <20070118125420.xtov83q0iyo0gk88@webmail.iimetro.com.au> For those interested in elections and the murky issue of electronic voting. .. This also touches on my on-going Link whinge: IT systems should always be suspect -- brd. Who won? http://books.slashdot.org/books/07/01/17/158227.shtml Posted by samzenpus on Wednesday January 17, @03:15PM from the start-the-political-machines dept. doom writes "I think they call them "exit polls" because people bolt for the exits when you mention them, but I'm still fascinated by the subject myself, and this book is one of the reasons why. In Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen?, the central focus is, of course, on the infamous exit-poll discrepancies of the 2004 US Presidential election; but the authors also put it into context: th ey discuss the 2000 election, the irregularities in Ohio in 2004, the electron ic voting machines issues, and the media's strange reluctance to report on any of these problems. Further, in the chapter "How did America really vote?", the y compare the indications of the raw exit-poll data to other available pollin g data. Throughout, Freeman and Bleifuss do an excellent job of presenting arguments based on statistical analysis in a clear, concise way." The heart of the book in my opinion, is Chapter 5, "The inauguration eve exit-poll report": The Edison and Mitofsky firms that conducted the NEP exi t polls later released a report trying to explain how they could have gotten it so far wrong. Freeman and Bleifuss, of course, take issue with the presumpt ion that the discrepancies must be "errors", and argue in a different direction . This section makes an exciting read (in a nerdy sort of way) it's an impres sive piece of statistical judo: Freeman and Bleifuss take on Edison/Mitofsky wit h their own data, and totally shred their conclusions. The authors show: That the exit-poll discrepancies had a statistically significant correlation with th e use of electronic voting machines, with races in battleground states, and in al most all cases favored the Republicans. The "Reluctant Bush Respondant" theory l ooks extremely unlikely: response rates actually look slightly better in Bush strongholds than in Kerry strongholds; and while media skepticism remains strong among conservatives, it has been on the rise among Democrats, and ye t the data shows no shift in relative avoidance of pollsters. They also deal with the various other excuses that were floated shortly after the election: The discrepancies can't be shrugged off with an "exit polls are not reliable" ? theory shows that they should be better than any other survey data, and his tory shows that they always have been pretty reliable. There was no upswing of support for Bush throughout election day ? that impression was entirely a n artifact of the media "correcting" the exit-poll figures to match the offic ial results. One of the book's authors, Steven Freeman, was one of the first to examine the exit-poll discrepancies, and as a professor at University of Pennsylvania with a background in survey design, he was well equipped to be gin delving into the peculiarities he had noticed. Overall, this is an excellent book for people interested in evaluating the data; with lots of graphs that make it easy to do informal estimates of the stren gth of their conclusions (just eye-balling the scatter, the correlations they p oint to look real, albeit a little loose, as you might expect). There's also an appendix with a very clear exposition of the the concept of statistical significance, and how it applies to this polling data. There are of course, limits to what one can conclude just from the exit-poll discrepancies: "We reiterate that this does not prove the official vote count was fraudulent. What it does say is that the discrepancy between the official count and the exit polls can't be just a statistical fluke, but commands some kind of systemat ic explanation: Either the exit poll was deeply flawed or else the vote count was corrupted. " This is a remarkably restrained book: unlike many authors addressing this controversial subject, Freeman and Bleifuss have resisted the temptation to rant or speculate or even to editorialize very much. Freeman claims that he is not a political person (and adds "I despise the Democrats"); possibly this has helped him to maintain his neutrality and focus on the facts of the case. Personally, I found this book to be something of a revelation: in the confu sion immediately after the 2004 election, I had the impression that the people w ho wanted to believe that it was legitimate at least had some wiggle room. The re was some disagreement about the meaning of the exit polls: there was that s tudy at Berkeley that found significant problems, but then the MIT study chimed in saying there wasn't, so who do you believe? The thing is, the MIT guys late r admitted that they got it wrong: they used the "corrected" data, not the originally reported exit poll results. The media never covered that development, and I missed it myself... On the subject of electronic voting machines, They include a chapter discus sing electronic voting in general which covers ground that is by now familiar wi th most readers here: the strange case of Wally O'Dell and Diebold; and also t he lesser known problems with ES&S. Have you heard this one? "In 1992, Hagel, then an investment banker and president of the holding company McCarthy & Co., b ecame chairman of American Information Systems, which was to become ES&S in 1999. [...] In the 1996 elections, Hagel launched his political career with two stunning upsets. He won a primary victory in Nebraska [...] despite the fac t that he was not well known. Then, in the general election, Hagel was electe d to the Senate in what Business Week described as 'an unexpected 1996 landslide victory over Ben Nelson, Nebraska's popular Democratic governor.'" My experience is that a lot of people need to hear this point: "The voting machine company Datamark, which became American Information Systems and is now known as ES&S, was founded in 1980 by two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich. Today, Todd is a vice president at ES&S and Bob is CEO of Diebold Election Systems." It's impossible to see how you can come away from this situation without se eing that we badly need reform of the electoral system: even if you don't believ e the 2004 election was "stolen", how do you know the next one isn't going to be? A paper trail that can actually be recounted would be a nice start, eh? But only a start. As the author's point out: "We devoted a chapter to the ills of electronic voting, but a critical lesson of the 2004 election is that not o nly DREs, but all kinds of voting machine systems are suspect. Edison/Mitofsky data showed that while hand counted ballots accurately reflected exit-poll surve y results, counts from all the major categories of voting machines did not." In one short passage, the authors list a few "grounds for hope", but follow ing up on these points is not encouraging: The Diebold-injunction law suit in California brought by VoterAction has since been denied and one attempt at a paper trail amendment, HR 550 has stalled out. If you're looking for an answer to the question posed by the book's title, the authors conclude: "So how did America really vote? Every independent measur e points to a Kerry victory of about 5 percentage points in the popular vote nationwide, a swing of 8 to 10 million votes from the official count." Of the many and various potentially depressing books out there about the st ate of the United States, I recommend this one highly: it addresses a critical set of issues that everything else depends on. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From rick at praxis.com.au Thu Jan 18 16:48:29 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:48:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Who won the USA 2004 election? In-Reply-To: <20070118125420.xtov83q0iyo0gk88@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070118125420.xtov83q0iyo0gk88@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45AF0A2D.9040209@praxis.com.au> brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: > > For those interested in elections and the murky issue of electronic voting. > .. > > This also touches on my on-going Link whinge: > IT systems should always be suspect -- brd. > > > > Who won? > http://books.slashdot.org/books/07/01/17/158227.shtml > Posted by samzenpus on Wednesday January 17, @03:15PM > from the start-the-political-machines dept. > doom writes [SNIP] > If you're looking for an answer to the question posed by the book's title, > the > authors conclude: "So how did America really vote? Every independent measur > e > points to a Kerry victory of about 5 percentage points in the popular vote > nationwide, a swing of 8 to 10 million votes from the official count." > > Of the many and various potentially depressing books out there about the st > ate > of the United States, I recommend this one highly: it addresses a critical > set > of issues that everything else depends on. It is sobering to think that if e-voting machines were not used in the 2004 elections, more than 100,000 Iraqis and over 2000 (or is it 3000?) Americans would be alive today. One point not raised in the review that may be in the book is that in certain polling districts, submitted e-ballots numbered two to three times the TOTAL NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS. Republican ballots ;) Without the political will and an astute electorate, democracy in the USA will continue to slide into white supremacist capito-fascism. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. -- Plato From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Thu Jan 18 17:58:05 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:28:05 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Who won the USA 2004 election? In-Reply-To: <45AF0A2D.9040209@praxis.com.au> References: <20070118125420.xtov83q0iyo0gk88@webmail.iimetro.com.au> <45AF0A2D.9040209@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45AF1A7D.8040008@aarnet.edu.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > It is sobering to think that if e-voting machines were not used in the > 2004 elections, more than 100,000 Iraqis and over 2000 (or is it 3000?) > Americans would be alive today. That's the problem with alternative histories. Maybe President Gore went to war with China and the whole of Asia and North America is radioactive slag pile. From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Thu Jan 18 18:45:19 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:15:19 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's history In-Reply-To: <20070118005443.GK26390@taz.net.au> References: <45ADF242.1000904@hunterlink.net.au> <5ii0ro$27nno7@ipmail01.adl2.internode.on.net> <20070117223319.GI26390@taz.net.au> <200701181105.59240.dlochrin@d2.net.au> <20070118005443.GK26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45AF258F.80203@aarnet.edu.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > so, while on a technical level i'm in favour of nuclear power (modern > reactor designs are *SAFE* All paper designs are safe. The reactor designs most recently built -- as opposed to reactors designs most recently talked about -- are mostly Russian designs, and that thought doesn't fill me with confidence. > Maralinga, for example, would make a great location. it's already > contaminated and off-limits to people. So who would work there? Given that it's so contaminated and all. From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 18 18:59:11 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:59:11 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's In-Reply-To: <200701172252.l0HMq8h5024360@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: > > But wasn't there a fateful > 3 billion dollar rollout of FTTN services that was scotched > when Johnny and Sol couldn't stay in the same room with each other > last year?! What is going on here? There is no way the FTTH service has been scotched. It has only been delayed. Telstra can stall as long as it likes, knowing full well that this puts some pressure on Liberal Coalitions and Labor Oppositions alike to not interfere. Since Telstra is a monopoly by virtue of owning the street ducting, it can afford to wait. There isn't a wireless protocol that can challenge it. The wait will allow Sol to raise the dividend on Telstra's shares, thus shoring up his reputation. This will keep Johnny happy going into an election, so the Liberals won't be pushing too much. They will let Graham Samuels at the ACCC do all the huffing and puffing, knowing that he doesn't have the legal clout to do anything real. Delays of this kind don't usually cost the country much anyway, unless the efficiencies of the new technology makes export-earning businesses more profitable. And this is doubtful with broadband -- in fact, it will probably increase our adverse balance of payments. If Telstra waits a few years more, the FTTH implementation costs will be lower, and the standards more stable. (Broadband isn't likely to be a policy that decides votes anyway.) -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Fri Jan 19 09:00:10 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:00:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> At 10:30 AM 1/16/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >I wonder how many metres of water-pipe that $100 would buy ... About 21 m (not including delivery): . At 12:40 PM 1/16/2007, Adam Todd wrote: >Bit o' pipe and a few pumps, some solar stations and presto. ... Solar panels are not cheap , nor are water pumps . Also they need some training to install and operate. One way to provide that expertise would be via on-line education, but I am still not sure a $100 laptop for each child is the way to do it. At 06:03 PM 1/17/2007, Stewart Fist wrote (was: "Re: Link Digest, Vol 170, Issue 38"): >Brendan writes: > > > So you'd rather the government spent the money on weapons instead > > of laptops? ... It should be kept in mind that some of the OLPC PCs may be used for warfare. They are semi-rugged and have daylight readable screens and so are similar to hand held military terminals. >The fact is that illiterate people can understand audio and video - >but surfing the net is generally beyond their capabilities. ... The Indian developed Simputer PDA was designed for illiterate people, with a touch screen and voice output. This is an open source hardware and software project with some clever features. My suggestion was to combine the design skills which went into the Simputer with the marketing hype of the OLPC . One way is to build a Simputer with a larger screen, bigger batteries, a keyboard and wireless interface. Indian company Encore, one of the makers of the Simputer, also offer the Mobilis tablet computer and SATHI military hand held terminal . Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From marghanita at ramin.com.au Fri Jan 19 09:45:15 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:45:15 +1100 Subject: Straw Poll was Re: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <66E6CCBD-D84A-4593-AA7F-EDA2B4679A74@itrundle.com> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> <66E6CCBD-D84A-4593-AA7F-EDA2B4679A74@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <45AFF87B.8010902@ramin.com.au> Ivan Trundle wrote: > Still trying to visualise a straw pole... (How long is it? Can it be > used in place of tomato steaks?) OK, wrong word see Some snippets from yesterday's >> Seventh Canberra WSG meeting navy.gov.au redevelopment Talk: *sexy looking websites with people not boats is what the client is looking for Accessibility Talk: *most commonly misspelt word on Government websites is "Australia" *developing and having useful standards adopted is difficult. Hitwise Talk: *Australia has over 5000 government websites UK around 1500 and the US around 3000! *Most popular Aust government site is Bureau of Meteorology, *Wikipedia is outdoing the other encyclopedia's... *And no surprise for anyone that has looked at their own website stats... Google is by far the most popular website Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 19 09:58:53 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:58:53 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070119095146.031becd0@wheresmymailserver.com> At 09:00 AM 19/01/2007, Tom Worthington wrote: >At 10:30 AM 1/16/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >>I wonder how many metres of water-pipe that $100 would buy ... > >About 21 m (not including delivery): >. OK and how many kids are going to get these laptops? 1,000,000 at least by the sounds of it . So legs be pragmatic for a moment. 21,000,000 meters of pipe, verse 1,000,000 laptops that the kids probably can't use all the time because they don't have power "at home" in the bark/mud/poo hut. Wouldn't it be better to have 20 laptops at the school house, with a solar array nearby feeding power to recharge the laptop batteries and running the pump to pump fresh, clean, drinkable water? Then the kids get a double benefit! And they can probably carry a few litres of FREE water home with them too! >At 12:40 PM 1/16/2007, Adam Todd wrote: >>Bit o' pipe and a few pumps, some solar stations and presto. ... > >Solar panels are not cheap >, nor are water pumps >. Also they need >some training to install and operate. One way to provide that expertise >would be via on-line education, but I am still not sure a $100 laptop for >each child is the way to do it. I have four children, they share a computer. Well actually two of them do. The youngest two aren't allowed yet :) But again, $800 retail price (that does not include the 50% Fed Government rebate that pushed solar products up by 100% when it was introduced, you know like Health Insurance rebates that upped the price of health insurance by 33%!) and you have a good solar panel. The power from that with some deep cycle batteries would give a good few years of power to the locals. That can be used to charge the batteries on the limited number, but still sharable laptops, provide power for sat links for Internet Access, and probably provide power for a local area network, maybe a wireless one? Not to mention pump the water! >At 06:03 PM 1/17/2007, Stewart Fist wrote (was: "Re: Link Digest, Vol 170, >Issue 38"): >>Brendan writes: >> >> > So you'd rather the government spent the money on weapons instead >> > of laptops? ... > >It should be kept in mind that some of the OLPC PCs may be used for >warfare. They are semi-rugged and have daylight readable screens and so >are similar to hand held military terminals. Don't Governments spend money on weapons regardless of laptops :) Anyway aren't Military personnel buying their own equipment? Two Way Radios, watches, GPS, clothing, bags etc? The Military apparently doesn't stock really good stuff or have stock, so the Boys and Girls have to get their own. (Reported on Link twice in the last few years.) >My suggestion was to combine the design skills which went into the >Simputer with the marketing hype of the OLPC >. One way >is to build a Simputer with a larger screen, bigger batteries, a keyboard >and wireless interface. Still gotta charge those batteries! Hard to do in the middle of the Sudan Desert! From ivan at itrundle.com Fri Jan 19 10:12:43 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:12:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 19/01/2007, at 9:00 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: > At 10:30 AM 1/16/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >> I wonder how many metres of water-pipe that $100 would buy ... > > About 21 m (not including delivery): B000LNJXFE/qid=1168990015/ref=sr_1_23>. > > At 12:40 PM 1/16/2007, Adam Todd wrote: >> Bit o' pipe and a few pumps, some solar stations and presto. ... > > Solar panels are not cheap apartment-20/?node=9>, nor are water pumps astore.amazon.com/smart-apartment-20/?node=13>. Also they need some > training to install and operate. One way to provide that expertise > would be via on-line education, but I am still not sure a $100 > laptop for each child is the way to do it. Or ditch the solar panels and technology altogether. Thousands of VLOM (Village Level Operation Management and Maintenance) handpumps have been installed in developing countries since the start of UN's Decade of Water for Life (2005-2015). Unfortunately, even these proved to be hard to maintain after the first UN's Decade of Water (1981-1990), where it is estimated that more than a billion people gained access to safe drinking water. Incidentally, World Water Day is 22 March. http://www.unwater.org/wwd07/flashindex.html iT -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From ivan at itrundle.com Fri Jan 19 10:28:20 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:28:20 +1100 Subject: Straw Poll was Re: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AFF87B.8010902@ramin.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> <66E6CCBD-D84A-4593-AA7F-EDA2B4679A74@itrundle.com> <45AFF87B.8010902@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <3A135C8E-8B7F-43CD-8EA7-42FCE709FB40@itrundle.com> On 19/01/2007, at 9:45 AM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Ivan Trundle wrote: > >> Still trying to visualise a straw pole... (How long is it? Can it >> be used in place of tomato steaks?) > > OK, wrong word see > No serious dig intended - I just saw the humour in it, and was looking at my hail-damaged vegetable garden as I was typing... > Some snippets from yesterday's > >> Seventh Canberra WSG meeting > > > navy.gov.au redevelopment Talk: > *sexy looking websites with people not boats is what the client is > looking for Sounds like a classic example of the mandarins in charge not knowing *why* people visit websites. Projecting an image of people ('Hello sailor!' was the immediate reaction in this office from my colleagues on this news) is all well and good, but doesn't differentiate the product, or the reasons for visitors wanting to go to the site. It's as if website homepages (and to a lesser degree, the images in the rest of the site) are seen as book covers - all vying for attention in the bookstore. It's simply not the main reason for someone to visit a website. In print, pictures might be worth 1000 words - but on the web, 100 digital words are worth as much. > > Hitwise Talk: > *Australia has over 5000 government websites > UK around 1500 and the US around 3000! And after the UK's drive to reduce their sites to 500, it makes Australia look incredibly bloated in comparison. But I'd be more inclined to count the pages, and the hits, and possibly even seeing how much useful content there is first. Each country has different levels of accountability and transparency, so comparing one with the other must be treated with some skepticism. iT From marghanita at ramin.com.au Fri Jan 19 10:57:49 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:57:49 +1100 Subject: Straw Poll was Re: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <3A135C8E-8B7F-43CD-8EA7-42FCE709FB40@itrundle.com> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> <66E6CCBD-D84A-4593-AA7F-EDA2B4679A74@itrundle.com> <45AFF87B.8010902@ramin.com.au> <3A135C8E-8B7F-43CD-8EA7-42FCE709FB40@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <45B0097D.5080404@ramin.com.au> Ivan Trundle wrote: > > On 19/01/2007, at 9:45 AM, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> Ivan Trundle wrote: >> >> >>> Still trying to visualise a straw pole... (How long is it? Can it >>> be used in place of tomato steaks?) >> >> >> OK, wrong word see >> none taken, just a little embarrassment. > > > No serious dig intended - I just saw the humour in it, and was looking > at my hail-damaged vegetable garden as I was typing... > >> Some snippets from yesterday's >> >> Seventh Canberra WSG meeting >> >> >> navy.gov.au redevelopment Talk: >> *sexy looking websites with people not boats is what the client is >> looking for > > > Sounds like a classic example of the mandarins in charge not knowing > *why* people visit websites. > > Projecting an image of people ('Hello sailor!' was the immediate > reaction in this office from my colleagues on this news) is all well > and good, but doesn't differentiate the product, or the reasons for > visitors wanting to go to the site. > > It's as if website homepages (and to a lesser degree, the images in the > rest of the site) are seen as book covers - all vying for attention in > the bookstore. It's simply not the main reason for someone to visit a > website. In print, pictures might be worth 1000 words - but on the web, > 100 digital words are worth as much. > >> >> Hitwise Talk: >> *Australia has over 5000 government websites >> UK around 1500 and the US around 3000! > > > And after the UK's drive to reduce their sites to 500, it makes > Australia look incredibly bloated in comparison. But I'd be more > inclined to count the pages, and the hits, and possibly even seeing how > much useful content there is first. Each country has different levels > of accountability and transparency, so comparing one with the other > must be treated with some skepticism. > It seems useful KPIs for Websites are still needed. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 19 11:08:32 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:08:32 +1100 Subject: Straw Poll was Re: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <45AFF87B.8010902@ramin.com.au> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> <66E6CCBD-D84A-4593-AA7F-EDA2B4679A74@itrundle.com> <45AFF87B.8010902@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070119105524.03406c30@wheresmymailserver.com> At 09:45 AM 19/01/2007, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: navy.gov.au redevelopment Talk: >*sexy looking websites with people not boats is what the client is looking for I thought the Federal Government was trying to censor sex on the Internet in Australia? Now they want sexy people on the Navy web site? Sheesh! >Accessibility Talk: >*most commonly misspelt word on Government websites is "Australia" I think this is a Freudian Slap! Lets face it, who wants to be known as from a Prison Colony! I'll bet most spell it as Austria! >Hitwise Talk: >*Australia has over 5000 government websites >UK around 1500 and the US around 3000! That's because every Public Servant has to have a web site for their internal sub department. (Linkers excused!) I'll bet you can find more than 5000 :) >*Most popular Aust government site is Bureau of Meteorology, No surprise. It's the one with the most useful things on it! The Rain Radar! Except most people don't know how to read it :) >*Wikipedia is outdoing the other encyclopedia's... Because everyone keeps talking about it, criticizing it so people want to see what the noise is about and it's easier to use :) >*And no surprise for anyone that has looked at their own website stats... >Google is by far the most popular website Actually this is debatable. docs.ajtodd.com receives thousands of referrals a month from YAHOO. Only a handful are from Google. I get a lot of referrals from NSW government internal web sites. Apparently AJ's web site is part of the Department of Community Services training program. The subject is about how to defeat and intimidate parents who stand up to questioning an DoCS officers beliefs in action. Strangely they also use my video without my permission. Had quite a few people tall me they see the film and the raid video in their training courses. I haven't licensed any part of the NSW Government or any person to use my copyright material for training purposes. 1,966 yahoo.com 1,555 google.com.au 1,523 inau.com 1,372 google.com 406 justiceforfamilies.com 293 nsw.gov.au 281 inoz.com 266 altavista.com 188 ah.net This may be because Google no longer indexes web sites by their content, but by how many links to their site they can find. This of course provides problems. I actually object to ranking and listing by "link" counting. Who wants a home page that has a zillion links and no content on it? The home page should be to the point and open the site, not provide the user with 90 million links to things that link back. Google has destroyed the function of Search Engines in that manner. Again, another example where we have deliberately minimised linking to the Iconoclast web site, yet have regularly injected search links into Google to have it indexed. We get rejected because we don't encourage too many inbound links. Most are from "Industry" web sites and not indexed by Google. Yahoo totally out ranks, and yet I've never submitted to Yahoo, nor have I encouraged it's listing. 2,613 yahoo.com 1,990 if.com.au 680 google.com.au 617 mandy.com 229 msn.com 217 altavista.com 209 active.org.au 205 google.com 166 ninemsn.com.au However, my personal web site has a different opinion: 1,083 google.com.au 974 google.com 356 yahoo.com 297 altavista.com 184 ninemsn.com.au 176 anu.edu.au 141 cynosure.com.au 95 msn.com 80 google.co.uk From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 19 09:26:40 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:26:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack Message-ID: <45AFF420.7020604@praxis.com.au> I just ran across the following PayPal phishing attempt. What I finf interesting here is the domain name being used for the scam: . . . . . Payment Details Transaction ID: 7KX030868E9630138 Item Price: $294.00 USD Total: $294.00 USD Order: Order #51 Business: elisom at netvision.net If You Haven't Authorize This Charge , Click The Link Below To Cancel The Payment And Get Full Refumd Login Here To Cancel The Payment LINK: http://www1.paypal.com.cgi-bin.verify-v50lxsecuressl.activate.onlineservice.accounts.raisedtotheground.com/webscrcmd=update/signinDQAAAG4AAADZ3XcFqGpyVexZXlp42ILckL16sz8USkBXj2StlL2lq74RZi-ZN0FOU7by8X_Jh2pn3AEECKZo8TFq0WyJ8IIGI0qgARKV_pf27Z0dSdpkBPWqiQQcY0sJJ8txaw-ifZToKQeM9OX1D4LVt4HygyKB.html . . . . . The 2LD domain is has a website: http://raisedtotheground.com/ So, how did the scammers attach the 3rd and high level domain name components to this 2LD? Would they have to attack the servers that hosts the domain (the "authority") and modify the zone files? BTW: The reason the URL is so long is to further fool people who might try to glimpse the URL in their email readers. I believe some email clients cannot display such a long URL in its entirety. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. -- Plato From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Fri Jan 19 12:45:06 2007 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:45:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20070119014506.GD5274@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Talking about IT and water pumps, an old piece I wrote may be of interest: Water pumps as an analogy for Windows and Linux http://danny.oz.au/free-software/advocacy/appropriate.html Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog --------------------------------------------------------- From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Fri Jan 19 13:05:17 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:35:17 +1030 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <45B0275D.2010401@aarnet.edu.au> Tom Worthington wrote: > Solar panels are not cheap I'm not so sure about that. Large solar panels are expensive. But I'm increasingly impressed by the small ones -- the sort of thing that runs your garden lights or changes your phone. I think solar is now at the stage where its superceeded technology is itself efficient enough to be useful. Related, the amount of power crammed into those little rechargable AA cells is much more than the old NiCds. So it's perfectly possible to run the shed lights or an exhaust fan from a small cell glued to the roof or built into the fan. I paid $700 to have the shed cabled to the house, $70 is more than enough today to light the thing with solar. So I think solar is set for a whole range of single-application uses; rather than a big expensive panel feeding big expensive batteries. From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 19 13:13:24 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:13:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: <20070119014319.GC5274@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> References: <45AFF420.7020604@praxis.com.au> <20070119014319.GC5274@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <45B02944.6020108@praxis.com.au> Danny Yee wrote: >>The 2LD domain is has a website: http://raisedtotheground.com/ > > > Now saying "This Account Has Been Suspended"... I see "Website under construction" and I am making the assumption that this is a valid (non-phishing) website that has had its higher-level domain parts hijacked. I am wondering if this is an easy thing to do. For example, my own domain name is praxis.com.au. Is it easy for someone to use westpac-security.login.validation.praxis.com.au as a valid domain and get that into the DNS somehow? I would imagine that would require some (illegal) hacking of zone files. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services The 7 R's of Windows support: retry, restart, reboot, reconfigure, reinstall, reformat and finally, replace with Linux. From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Fri Jan 19 14:17:28 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:17:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Photovoltaic solar power was - $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45B0275D.2010401@aarnet.edu.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <45B0275D.2010401@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: On 19/01/2007, at 1:05 PM, Glen Turner wrote: > I'm not so sure about that. Large solar panels are expensive. But > I'm increasingly impressed by the small ones -- the sort of thing > that runs your garden lights or changes your phone. I think > solar is now at the stage where its superceeded technology is > itself efficient enough to be useful. Green and Gold Energy claim their tracking solar concentrator cells can compete with mains power . The idea is to have a frenel lens in front of a very small solar cell and track the sun. Their original design won the ABC inventors or the year and they are about ready to go commercial setting up their first plant in Adelaide. And maybe we should unlink this if anybody wants to discuss it. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From stil at stilgherrian.com Fri Jan 19 14:46:59 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:46:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stats on the move to electronic comms? Message-ID: Gentle Linkers, I was about to add the following to a presentation: These days small businesses do most of their written communication by email rather than fax or the post. But is there any evidence to support this assertion, other than anecdotes from the well-wired elite? Does anyone know of any relevant stats? Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From eric.scheid at ironclad.net.au Fri Jan 19 15:04:38 2007 From: eric.scheid at ironclad.net.au (Eric Scheid) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:04:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: <45B02944.6020108@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: On 19/1/07 1:13 PM, "Rick Welykochy" wrote: > For example, my own domain name is praxis.com.au. Is it easy for someone > to use westpac-security.login.validation.praxis.com.au as a valid > domain and get that into the DNS somehow? I would imagine that would > require some (illegal) hacking of zone files. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning e. From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 19 16:03:06 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:03:06 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B0510A.9010900@praxis.com.au> Eric Scheid wrote: > On 19/1/07 1:13 PM, "Rick Welykochy" wrote: > > >>For example, my own domain name is praxis.com.au. Is it easy for someone >>to use westpac-security.login.validation.praxis.com.au as a valid >>domain and get that into the DNS somehow? I would imagine that would >>require some (illegal) hacking of zone files. > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning Thanks for that one, Eric. Fery interesting. Can I assume that if a DNS cache poisoning attempt was successful with, say, online.westpac.com.au, I could without my knowledge log into a rogue machine thinking I am logging on to https://online.westpac.com.au, provide my login details and be phished without my knowledge? If the asnwer is yes, it is certainly a frightful situation. The Wikipedia article did not go to any lengths to assure me that this sort of thing cannot happen :( cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services The 7 R's of Windows support: retry, restart, reboot, reconfigure, reinstall, reformat and finally, replace with Linux. From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 19 16:18:03 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:18:03 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: <45B0510A.9010900@praxis.com.au> References: <45B0510A.9010900@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45B0548B.9010508@praxis.com.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > Eric Scheid wrote: > >> On 19/1/07 1:13 PM, "Rick Welykochy" wrote: >> >> >>> For example, my own domain name is praxis.com.au. Is it easy for someone >>> to use westpac-security.login.validation.praxis.com.au as a valid >>> domain and get that into the DNS somehow? I would imagine that would >>> require some (illegal) hacking of zone files. >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning Also, related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharming If an attacked can change the hosts file on a victim's computer (!) they can get them to use an ersatz website, e.g. 92.1.2.3 online.westpac.com.au 92.1.2.3 www.westpac.com.au Now how hard would it be for phishers to modify the hosts file on a Windows box? Given that there are MILLIONS of zombies already out there, I would think it child's play. What a scary thought. I just tried the www.westpac.com.au example above on Mac OS X and it worked fine ... I was taken to a web server I run and control, amd I could have trivially installed a westpac-looking web page on that server. I do not think that the https://online.westpac.com.au would work too well, since the digital cert. check would fail almost all tests. But I have not tested it. But given our earlier discussions on how Joe Sixpack ignores warnings about certificates, I think there would be enough uninformed users out there who could be phished using the hosts file technique even for https: connections to ersatz banking web site. Shudder. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services The 7 R's of Windows support: retry, restart, reboot, reconfigure, reinstall, reformat and finally, replace with Linux. From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 19 16:25:15 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:25:15 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: <45B0548B.9010508@praxis.com.au> References: <45B0510A.9010900@praxis.com.au> <45B0548B.9010508@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45B0563B.4080901@praxis.com.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > If an attacked can change the hosts file on a victim's computer (!) Of course, I meant "attacker" not "attacked". > they can get them to use an ersatz website, e.g. > > 92.1.2.3 online.westpac.com.au I just tried a fake https://online.westpac.com.au/ and it worked. Using a local hosts file change. The cert warning came up but I ignored it. Frightening stuff when you realise there are millions of Windows boxes out there jsut waiting for their hosts file to be silently modified. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services The 7 R's of Windows support: retry, restart, reboot, reconfigure, reinstall, reformat and finally, replace with Linux. From cas at taz.net.au Fri Jan 19 17:15:58 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:15:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: <45B0548B.9010508@praxis.com.au> References: <45B0510A.9010900@praxis.com.au> <45B0548B.9010508@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070119061558.GN26390@taz.net.au> On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:18:03PM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > I do not think that the https://online.westpac.com.au would work > too well, since the digital cert. check would fail almost all tests. > But I have not tested it. > > But given our earlier discussions on how Joe Sixpack ignores warnings > about certificates, I think there would be enough uninformed users > out there who could be phished using the hosts file technique even > for https: connections to ersatz banking web site. Shudder. actually, it's potentially much worse than that. if an attacker can change the hosts file then there's no reason why they can't also install a bogus Certificate Authority (CA) certificate so that the browser will "validate" ANY certificate you sign with it - i.e. the attacker can make a fake cert for online.westpac.com.au and sign it with their own CA. installing a new CA cert would be more complicated than just changing the hosts file, but not unfeasibly so...and once someone has done it once or twice, they could script the entire process. a security chain is only as strong as the weakest link - and MS Windows is a very weak link, it undermines everything else. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From kim.holburn at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 20:47:10 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:47:10 +0100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: <45AFF420.7020604@praxis.com.au> References: <45AFF420.7020604@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <0D13157C-9B95-472B-8194-23F449EAC0A3@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/18, at 11:26 PM, Rick Welykochy wrote: > I just ran across the following PayPal phishing attempt. What I > finf interesting > here is the domain name being used for the scam: > > . . . . . > > Payment Details > Transaction ID: 7KX030868E9630138 > Item Price: $294.00 USD > Total: $294.00 USD > Order: Order #51 > Business: elisom at netvision.net > > > If You Haven't Authorize This Charge , Click The Link Below To > Cancel The Payment And Get Full Refumd > Login Here To Cancel The Payment > LINK: http://www1.paypal.com.cgi-bin.verify- > v50lxsecuressl.activate.onlineservice.accounts.raisedtotheground.com/w > ebscrcmd=update/ > signinDQAAAG4AAADZ3XcFqGpyVexZXlp42ILckL16sz8USkBXj2StlL2lq74RZi- > ZN0FOU7by8X_Jh2pn3AEECKZo8TFq0WyJ8IIGI0qgARKV_pf27Z0dSdpkBPWqiQQcY0sJJ > 8txaw-ifZToKQeM9OX1D4LVt4HygyKB.html There are many many ways to obfuscate the url. This is one of the simpler ones. You could use tinyurl. You can use urls like these and combine different schemes but most people don't even check the host name and why should they have to? http://%77%77%77%2E%67%6F%6F%67%6C%65%2E%63%6F%6D http://209.85.135.103 http://www.paypal.com at www.google.com There's also language encoding of dns names, like unicode, utf, etc Then there's the link text if it's an html email. I've seen phishing sites that almost immediately redirect you through to the real website with a special bit of javascript added in. > . . . . . > > The 2LD domain is has a website: http://raisedtotheground.com/ > > So, how did the scammers attach the 3rd and high level domain name > components to this 2LD? Would they have to attack the servers that > hosts > the domain (the "authority") and modify the zone files? They probably bought the domain name with a prepaid "credit" card for the purpose. If they have a compromised windows box with a dynamic DNS system they can call it whatever they like. If it's a compromised windows DNS server .... In this case looks like a wildcard entry. It's easier and cheaper to become a domain registrar these days isn't it? $ host www1.paypal.com.cgi-bin.verify- v50lxsecuressl.activate.onlineservice.accounts.raisedtotheground.com NS41.BITESITES.COM Using domain server: Name: NS41.BITESITES.COM Address: 216.66.19.100#53 Aliases: www1.paypal.com.cgi-bin.verify- v50lxsecuressl.activate.onlineservice.accounts.raisedtotheground.com has address 216.66.19.100 > The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and > Registrars. > =-=-=-= > Visit AboutUs.org for more information about raisedtotheground.com > AboutUs: > raisedtotheground.com > > Registration Service Provided By: NameCheap.com > Contact: support at NameCheap.com > Visit: http://www.namecheap.com/ > > Domain name: raisedtotheground.com > > Registrant Contact: > Screen Hosting > Nick Hurley (nick at screenhosting.co.uk) > +1.000000 > Fax: +1.5555555555 > Screen Hosting > 37 Plov. > Kingswinford, WE DY68XU > GB > > Administrative Contact: > Screen Hosting > Nick Hurley (nick at screenhosting.co.uk) > +1.000000 > Fax: +1.5555555555 > Screen Hosting > 37 Plov. > Kingswinford, WE DY68XU > GB > > Technical Contact: > Screen Hosting > Nick Hurley (nick at screenhosting.co.uk) > +1.000000 > Fax: +1.5555555555 > Screen Hosting > 37 Plov. > Kingswinford, WE DY68XU > GB > > Status: Locked > > Name Servers: > NS41.BITESITES.COM > NS42.BITESITES.COM > > Creation date: 20 Mar 2006 15:34:33 > Expiration date: 20 Mar 2007 15:34:33 > BTW: The reason the URL is so long is to further fool people who might > try to glimpse the URL in their email readers. I believe some email > clients > cannot display such a long URL in its entirety. > > > cheers > rickw > > > -- > _________________________________ > Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services > > Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being > governed by those who are dumber. > -- Plato > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 19 23:11:17 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:11:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] PayPal phishing scam - is this a domain hijack In-Reply-To: <0D13157C-9B95-472B-8194-23F449EAC0A3@gmail.com> References: <45AFF420.7020604@praxis.com.au> <0D13157C-9B95-472B-8194-23F449EAC0A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070119231013.031ea4d0@wheresmymailserver.com> You forgot Integer Number URL's (discussed on link about 7 years ago). can't be bothered working out an example, but dnsstuff.com will do them for you! At 08:47 PM 19/01/2007, Kim Holburn wrote: >>LINK: http://www1.paypal.com.cgi-bin.verify- >>v50lxsecuressl.activate.onlineservice.accounts.raisedtotheground.com/w >>ebscrcmd=update/ >>signinDQAAAG4AAADZ3XcFqGpyVexZXlp42ILckL16sz8USkBXj2StlL2lq74RZi- >>ZN0FOU7by8X_Jh2pn3AEECKZo8TFq0WyJ8IIGI0qgARKV_pf27Z0dSdpkBPWqiQQcY0sJJ >>8txaw-ifZToKQeM9OX1D4LVt4HygyKB.html > >There are many many ways to obfuscate the url. This is one of the >simpler ones. You could use tinyurl. You can use urls like these >and combine different schemes but most people don't even check the >host name and why should they have to? > >http://%77%77%77%2E%67%6F%6F%67%6C%65%2E%63%6F%6D >http://209.85.135.103 >http://www.paypal.com at www.google.com > >There's also language encoding of dns names, like unicode, utf, etc > >Then there's the link text if it's an html email. > >I've seen phishing sites that almost immediately redirect you through >to the real website with a special bit of javascript added in. From stephen at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 19 23:43:02 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:43:02 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> At 09:00 AM 19/01/2007, Tom writes: > I am still not sure a $100 laptop for each child is the way Neither am I but people are working hard to do exactly that. And I do think it's fat-white-west to diss these efforts to give remote schools free, clockwork and quite desirable laptops. The only people who could possibly attack anyone working to help others in this way would be people actually trying to send free pipes-to-Pakistan. They want both, why not help? And, why would one crap on efforts to help kids in any way? Uninformed cynicism might seem almost 'evil' to some folk. Basically, if you don't like it, either help or get out of the way is the over-whelming response one is hearing on other lists. Maybe it is the wrong way to help (?) but people who would not be helping in any way are rushing to do just that. Laying off the uninformed 'rich-white-sophisticate' seems sensible. Cheers, linkers Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.0/639 - Release Date: 18/01/2007 6:47 PM From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 19 23:42:53 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:42:53 +1100 Subject: [LINK] RFI: Dublin Core 10 Years On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ii197$269bgs@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> At 01:10 PM 18/01/2007, Linda Rouse wrote: >>Are there convenient mechanisms to support authors to quickly >>generate metadata for their documents just before they release them? > >Some of the better CMS and DAM systems have prefillers for metadata >and templates for on-the-fly metadata creation with say, a dropdown >to select a specific subject etc. There were some early tools developed by DSTC back in the late 90s/early 00s. I'll toot a horn for a project that I worked on (design, operational processes, and on-going maintenance) from 1998 until January 2006, Agrigate, one of the longest running subject gateways until Melbourne Uni pulled the plug. We modeled the data structures on DC plus a few local fields for record management. Sadly, the link doesn't appear to be active at all any longer (www.agrigate.edu.au). I have no idea what happened to the >600 records that were written for evaluated agriculture information from around the world as well as Australia. It's one of those that if people had sense should have been captured in one of the archives. But for some reason (personnel changes) I doubt it. It used to be linked into the ARROW project, but that and the University of Melbourne are nowhere to be found. One of the things that was/is terrific about DC was the way it allowed repository exchange. If you have the same data structures in general, you have a fighting chance of distributed searching and record merging for information sources with value added descriptions. It was never perfect, but it was much better than trying to migrate between proprietary systems. Data life and application is more than creation for better return on the investment if that is going to be measured by use, for example. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 19 23:50:29 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:50:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra propose biggest rollout in Australia's In-Reply-To: References: <200701172252.l0HMq8h5024360@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <5ii197$269cmk@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> At 06:59 PM 18/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >Since Telstra is a monopoly by virtue of owning the street >ducting, it can afford to wait. There isn't a wireless protocol that can >challenge it. [admitting there are more messages in this thread that I haven't read yet] I understand that the wireless service isn't exactly robust either. A colleague was telling me today that she went for wireless because she was moving around a lot, housewise, just the thing the Tel$tra ads say it's good for. She thinks it's pretty bad. Keeps cutting out. Tells her she's already connected just after she's been told there isn't a connection. Pretty miserable stuff. She's not the brightest tool in the box when it comes to technology, so I don't know if the troubles are due to something she is or is not doing. Even so, you would expect it to at least work and stay connected for what you pay for it. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Sat Jan 20 00:29:07 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:29:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: Publishers Lunch Message-ID: <5ii197$269mjl@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Ran across this little gem on a mailing list today. >Book More Sales > >Get your titles in front of millions of Windows Live users FREE with >Windows Live Book Search > >Windows Live Book Search is Microsoft's forthcoming online search >service for book content. To submit your titles simply upload them >in digital format or send us printed books, and control the amount >of content displayed. Link your commerce-enabled Web site to our >pages so that users can easily purchase your titles. And connect >with millions of Windows Live Search users who are looking for >content like yours. > >It's easy and it's FREE! > >http://publisher.live.com/ > [Free if you use M$ reader perhaps? Lots of strings with that I found out when I started to install it. ] Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Sat Jan 20 10:13:25 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:13:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Solar cells In-Reply-To: <200701191255.l0JCtXTR023902@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Glen writes: > > I'm not so sure about that. Large solar panels are expensive. But > I'm increasingly impressed by the small ones -- the sort of thing > that runs your garden lights or changes your phone. I think > solar is now at the stage where its superceeded technology is > itself efficient enough to be useful. Glen's Big vs, Little point is important We can also ask, are they: Useful? Definitely Yes. Cheap? Probably No Efficient? Definitely not Fragile? I haven't been able to find any useful information. Long-lasting? No one really knows, and it must depend on the type. The last time I looked the combined 'energy cost' of manufacturing large-panel solar cells and the electrical storage unit to make them useful, was marginally higher (according to some sources) than the energy they would generate over a life-time. Other sources said it was lower. Either way, the margin is not too great if you are considering solar as an alternative to conventional energy sources -- unless you've got no alternative. If you can bring in a power-cable from some distant grid, for a reasonable multiple of the cost of a solar unit, it will probably be justified very quickly. Of course, it also depends on what the solar cell promoters mean by a lifetime. Are large panels of solar cells able to withstand the occasional heavy hailstorm? Most sites just ignore this question, although one promotional site says: "Most are tested for hail damage, but the reality is that hail tends to glance off the module?s surface because of the angle that most arrays are installed at. However, given a strong enough impact, modules could break. If a module is shattered or punctured, it would eventually fail due to water getting into the solar cells and causing corrosion. " After seeing the damage to tiled roofs in Sydney a few years ago, I don't find that reassuring, and even less so when it comes to costing the energy efficiency. The collector-type systems which use curved metal mirrors to bounce the energy back to smaller high-temperature silicon cells are protected against hail but they require motors, etc. to track the sun. Then they require technicians on hand. The claim that a solar panel can last 25 years, is also one that I'd take with a grain of salt. And, if we really are seeing rapid advancements in the technology, then most installed today would be obsolete long before this. Has anyone got any trustworthy figures on costs, returns, etc in terms of energy as well as money? -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Sat Jan 20 10:35:34 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (Richard Chirgwin) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:35:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> Stephen Loosley wrote: > At 09:00 AM 19/01/2007, Tom writes: > > >> I am still not sure a $100 laptop for each child is the way >> > > Neither am I but people are working hard to do exactly that. > > And I do think it's fat-white-west to diss these efforts to give > remote schools free, clockwork and quite desirable laptops. > > The only people who could possibly attack anyone working > to help others in this way would be people actually trying to > send free pipes-to-Pakistan. They want both, why not help? > The politician's syllogism: "We must do something -- this is something -- we must do this". Nobody is denying the need to help, we're debating the value of this particular initiative. > And, why would one crap on efforts to help kids in any way? > Uninformed cynicism might seem almost 'evil' to some folk. > Basically, if you don't like it, either help or get out of the way > is the over-whelming response one is hearing on other lists. > Sequitur please? In what way do I have to accept an instruction from someone, somewhere, that I need to shut my mouth because I have some responsibility to "get with the program"? In what way is discussion or debate of the merits of the idea somehow wrong or unacceptable. I have said before - but it is wasted breath in front of a zealot - that if an idea is a good idea, then it can stand scrutiny. If it's not a good idea, then debate is the right thing to do. But if the idea - whether it's fibre to the home or OLPC - cannot stand discussion, then it's the idea which is at fault, not the discussion. "Help or get out of the way" is not debate, and let me be one against a hundred, I will still say "the idea needs debate". > Maybe it is the wrong way to help (?) but people who would > not be helping in any way are rushing to do just that. Laying > off the uninformed 'rich-white-sophisticate' seems sensible. > I wish to be informed, but there are many points in the OLPC debate about which information is hard to come by. Let me give one example: to accept that OLPC is a good way to spend money on third-world education, I have to accept many premises all at once: 1. Computers are a better way to spend money than teachers and books 2. The relevant governments place a high value on a particular kind of education which is best facilitated by computers 3. The OLPC is the best or most feasible way to deliver the computers 4. The computers themselves will provide long-term value without "doing what computers do" and falling out of step with the information and software they need to access five years from now Now: (2) is ridiculous, with many governments visibly and loudly anti-education; while (3) and (4) are still debatable. As for (1): it is supported by much more advocacy than evidence. "So many educated people have computers" is evidence that education allows you to buy things, including computers; it doesn't offer evidence that computers support the education. "Look at all the laptops students carry" is evidence that there's a status race among schools, students and parents. And even educational software itself is subject to regular revolutions which suggests to someone who's watched this stuff for a couple of decades that we're still surveying the territory even in the west. The OLPC is driven by fine sentiments and laudable enthusiasm. Sentiment and enthusiasm are good for petrol in the tank, but they're lousy map-readers. So what is the sin in asking these questions? That I offend someone's enthusiasms? I think I can live with myself... Rc > Cheers, linkers > Stephen Loosley > Victoria, Australia > > > > From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 20 12:39:28 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:39:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Solar cells In-Reply-To: References: <200701191255.l0JCtXTR023902@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070120121550.030bfe38@wheresmymailserver.com> At 10:13 AM 20/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >Glen writes: > > > > I'm not so sure about that. Large solar panels are expensive. But > > I'm increasingly impressed by the small ones -- the sort of thing > > that runs your garden lights or changes your phone. I think > > solar is now at the stage where its superceeded technology is > > itself efficient enough to be useful. > >Glen's Big vs, Little point is important > >We can also ask, are they: > >Useful? Definitely Yes. Very. >Cheap? Probably No I've been buying 100-400 Watt panels as that's what I can "afford" to buy, rather than being the best price per Watt. >Efficient? Definitely not In Australia, at least in Sydney, yes. My panels constantly, especially in summer, exceed their power ratings. Most of the time the volts are higher than rated and the current is between 15-30% greater. Capturing that extra source has made my panels perhaps a better bang per buck overall. >Fragile? I haven't been able to find any useful information. I've had mine on my roof now for up to 8 years. They are all still working individually and collectively very well. None have been damaged by hail storms, tree branches or other weird events. >Long-lasting? No one really knows, and it must depend on the type. Some are 8 years, some are 4 years. Not bad really. My whole office is run from Solar power. I don't have enough juice to run a Large Family Fridge but then that's hardly a critical resource most of the time. >The last time I looked the combined 'energy cost' of manufacturing >large-panel solar cells and the electrical storage unit to make them useful, >was marginally higher (according to some sources) than the energy they would >generate over a life-time. Other sources said it was lower. It seems to vary. Although BP Solar have a good process. >Either way, the margin is not too great if you are considering solar as an >alternative to conventional energy sources -- unless you've got no >alternative. Our payback was calculated over five years. As we've put more resources onto the system than we had anticipated, our payback was brought down to 3.8 years. Hence my expansion at 4 years. Which is just now coming to the end of it's "cost" period and into a savings period. Strangely over the same time, the electricity bill has only INCREASED by about 20-30% even though we use less most of the time. I'd have thought a CPI increase of a few percent was barely acceptable, but it's been far greater than that. And with Integral upping it's fees in the last 12 months, I'm now looking at putting more solar in to take general lighting off the grid, as well as a lot of the kitchen appliances we use. They don't use a lot of power, but still. It adds up. I've already prepared a "temporary" conversion to 12 volt energy saver styled lights. They are equally as bright as 240volt lights, but use even less power overall. Adding photo cells so they can come on and off depending on the light ambience in areas of the house will help too. >If you can bring in a power-cable from some distant grid, for a reasonable >multiple of the cost of a solar unit, it will probably be justified very >quickly. Maybe in the short term, but not the long term, and not as the quality of power degrades and the load increases. We already have regular blackouts in our area on hot days caused by the excessive number of air conditioners. We don't have one, even if we did, we'd use it sparingly. My UPS's trip regularly, several times a day because of brownouts, too much noise on the input or over voltage. Only the oldest of the TV's in the house aren't on a UPS. (Those I picked up in council cleanups!) The few CRT's that are left here are also on the mains power, but via filters. Sometimes you can see the power shifting during the day! >Of course, it also depends on what the solar cell promoters mean by a >lifetime. Are large panels of solar cells able to withstand the occasional >heavy hailstorm? We had a carpeting of hail in the last year and the first thing I did was, during the storm, rescue my panels. I think my efforts were less than useful as I was only able to cover a couple of the panels during the storm itself. There was no damage. >Most sites just ignore this question, although one promotional site says: > >"Most are tested for hail damage, but the reality is that hail tends to >glance off the module?s surface because of the angle that most arrays are >installed at. However, given a strong enough impact, modules could break. If >a module is shattered or punctured, it would eventually fail due to water >getting into the solar cells and causing corrosion. " That's correct. I check for seepage every 6 months anyway, just in case. So far none have shown any "wear and tear" so I'm pretty pleased. >After seeing the damage to tiled roofs in Sydney a few years ago, I don't >find that reassuring, and even less so when it comes to costing the energy >efficiency. You know there are options. You can install over your panels a perspex sheeting. Costly yes, but it does solve the problem for the longer term, probably adding about 2 months to your payback costing. As the panels I've purchased have been "reasonably" cheap and I've put the difference in spending aside for new panels, I'd just replace any that break either with the same type if it was less than 2 years old, or a larger, lower cost per watt panel if it's outside the four year mark. I'm now looking at more portable solutions. >The collector-type systems which use curved metal mirrors to bounce the >energy back to smaller high-temperature silicon cells are protected against >hail but they require motors, etc. to track the sun. Then they require >technicians on hand. Nope, don't have anything like that, but I have considered it. I already have a sun tracker I designed and built out of old dot matrix printer motors and parts. I was starting to develop a panel tilt and movement system, with a "vertical rise" in case of storm mode. But so far only the tracking of the sun has been achieved :) The motors do follow the sun with pin point accurate :) I was going to install a telescope and CCD camera on the tracker to follow the sun and web cam it, but haven't had time :) Incidentally I use the same tracking system for my Motion camera rig for tracking human and object movement :) >The claim that a solar panel can last 25 years, is also one that I'd take >with a grain of salt. I'll tell you in about 15 :) >And, if we really are seeing rapid advancements in the technology, then >most installed today would be obsolete long before this. Yes the technology seems to improve every 3-5 years and the cost seems to be fairly stable. Maybe down a few points every year. The problem is with the Governments 50% rebate, the prices just doubled, so we're paying too much. And the rebate is only available for "professionally" installed systems on a fixed premises. So if you wanted to move and take your solar with you, you can't. Which is stupid really. Because the system is designed for YOUR needs, not the next person. If we left our system here, most people would have an excess of power they were unable to store. My system has been designed to run 24x7 power needs, unlike most homes that have 8 hours of darkness, less the fridge, but it cycles less over night. I can't imagine there are too many people that have to have 1.5 KVA/hr of power available 24 x 7 continuously day and night. We only use 1.27KVA/hr And don't forget in most cases, the night isn't the only dark time in a house, most people go to work leaving houses dark during the day too. I had to compensate for the fact that our house is active all day, using the power all day, because we have 6+ people here every day of the week. If we all went to work and left the house empty, the batteries would charge during the day and supply us with power during the night. That's not our case. I have computers, monitors, security, online and powered 24 x 7. Then we have regular use of fridge, hot water and lighting all day and night. The office in my home is permanently lit with energy savers because it gets very little natural light - not enough to work by. There is no natural light in the garage :) >Has anyone got any trustworthy figures on costs, returns, etc in terms of >energy as well as money? I'd not want to offer my figures for the obvious reasons described above: 1. Not a typical installation. It's a 24x7 minimum load that is "high" by most households use. 2. Has been grown and added. 3. Didn't intend to compare supplied power vs solar 4. Supply costs have gone up, seemingly proportional to the saving However, we use less supply than we otherwise would. 5. We don't use solar for fridges and hot water (sigh) From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 20 12:42:10 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:42:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070120124019.030a23e0@wheresmymailserver.com> At 11:43 PM 19/01/2007, Stephen Loosley wrote: >At 09:00 AM 19/01/2007, Tom writes: > >And, why would one crap on efforts to help kids in any way? Is anyone going to give my four kids a free laptop. Goodness it would save the fights, brawls, yelling and screaming that goes on around the house at all but the sleeping hours! Please send me SIX Free $100 laptops! My boy shave taken to playing Flash games online - to my destain. >Maybe it is the wrong way to help (?) but people who would >not be helping in any way are rushing to do just that. Laying >off the uninformed 'rich-white-sophisticate' seems sensible. Then again, kids playing with laptops become dependant on the technology to get through each day. Then they will have to buy better technology to do the next thing they need to do. And people wonder why I keep my kids away from computers for the purpose of "games" From kauer at biplane.com.au Sat Jan 20 15:55:54 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:55:54 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Solar cells In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1169268954.5841.325.camel@localhost.localdomain> > Fragile? I haven't been able to find any useful information. Solar panels are not fragile. They are not indestructible, but they are certainly not fragile. > Long-lasting? No one really knows, and it must depend on the type. BP Solar guarantee theirs for 25 years for power production, 3 years for workmanship. Dunno what happens if workmanship problems stp them producing power :-) > The last time I looked the combined 'energy cost' of manufacturing > large-panel solar cells and the electrical storage unit to make them useful, > was marginally higher (according to some sources) than the energy they would > generate over a life-time. Other sources said it was lower. This is a vexed question. I've found no conclusive answer, and both sides of the argument make some very big assumptions. > If you can bring in a power-cable from some distant grid, for a reasonable > multiple of the cost of a solar unit, it will probably be justified very > quickly. It costs about 15K per pole to get the grid on, and a decent solar power system costs 30-50K. In many areas the grid is unreliable, noisy and dirty. All (yes, all) the stories I've heard from people who don't like their solar power systems boil down to the same basic problem: They installed a system that was too small or too complicated. > Of course, it also depends on what the solar cell promoters mean by a > lifetime. Are large panels of solar cells able to withstand the occasional > heavy hailstorm? Mostly yes. Depends on the angle of the panels and the heaviness of the storm. Economically it is an insurance question, or as Glen suggested, simple protective measures will reduce the chance of damage. Nothing is proof positive against all eventualities - solar panels are bloody tough, but heavy enough wind will take the panels and hard enough hail will break them. Lightning striking the wrong spot will fry them. Vandalism is also an issue for some sites. The same sorts of arguments can be applied to any technology that is not completely case hardened. Do we factor the risk of accident into the "cost" of, say, a hybrid car? Probably we should. The Swiss were trying for geothermal energy in Basel - and setting off earth tremors *3.5R!). They've stopped trying now :-) When people hear how much we paid for solar, they just shake their heads, but the fundamental point is that when you factor all the costs of other energy sources (pollution, global warming, whatever), electrical energy is just way too cheap. Which breeds a culture where energy is not valued, a culture that spends energy like, er, water :-) Our solar panels etc don't make economic sense - but they do, we think, make a different kind of sense. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Sat Jan 20 21:28:11 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:58:11 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Solar cells In-Reply-To: <1169268954.5841.325.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1169268954.5841.325.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45B1EEBB.3010009@aarnet.edu.au> Hi Karl, Glad to hear it is working well. On your point about economic sense, I quite like this quote from Sir David Attenborough in front of some UK committee: > Q512 James Duddridge: In order to mitigate against climate change what > two single actions can, first, individuals take and, secondly, would > you advise the British Government to take? > > Sir David Attenborough: I grew up during the war and during the war it > was a common view that wasting food was wrong, and it was not that you > thought you were going to defeat Hitler by eating up a little bit of > gristly meat but that it was wrong to waste food. People felt that > widely and universally and I think people do not do the sort of > arithmetic which we have been talking about earlier on very often, > some do and some do not. There should be a general moral view that > wasting energy is wrong. Everything we do goes on up there and stays > up there for 100 years or so in terms of carbon dioxide, and the more > it does, the hotter it is going to get, the less it does, the less hot > it will get. Therefore, it does not matter whether it is a tiny bit or > a big bit, but it is your general attitude to life and I sense that is > already in the process. People do look at 4x4s in central London and > curl a lip already. It is part of the conversation, that that is > wasting energy. I am hopeful that there is a real change taking place > in moral attitudes which is not to do with saving pennies here or > there, it is just that it is morally wrong to waste energy because we > are putting at hazard our own grandchildren. Computing, and networking in particular, is front and centre when it comes to the wasteful use of electricity. It's the weekend, and yet every ethernet switch runs as though it is facing peak load, just so you get this e-mail milliseconds earlier. Cheers, Glen From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Sat Jan 20 21:35:11 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:05:11 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale Message-ID: <45B1F05F.7020107@aarnet.edu.au> Something to watch for here in a few years? The Register LISTEN TO THE BAND? Ofcom spectrum sale hurts more than just the luvvies Comment By Bill Ray Ofcom's consultation on the Digital Dividend, aka selling off the analogue TV frequencies, has attracted more than its share of attention from El Reg readers who are in uproar about the proposed disconnection of the wirelessly connected. Ofcom is consulting on a proposal to sell the frequencies currently used by analogue TV when the grand switch over to digital starts in 2008. But lurking among the TV channels are hundreds of wireless microphones and communications equipment used by the entertainment industry, using short-term licenses allocated by the Joint Frequency Management Group (JFMG) at, relatively, low cost. Reader DT summed it up nicely... Can you imagine Cats being done with cabled mics, or Starlite Express, or Les Mis, or The Lion King? I can't. I did see Superstar in the west end during the 70s and marvelled that no-one got tripped up or tied up in the myriad number of cables that snaked constantly about the stage. But it's not just musical theatre that will suffer, as Fletcher Fletchowicz points out... Regarding the sellout of radio frequencies and complaints of theatre types: channel 69, the part of the spectrum allocated for radio mics, is also used by film and television crews. So as well as no more theatre you'll be facing no more Bill, no more Hollyoaks, no more Dr Who, and no more quality UK production anywhere. ...and no more Big Brother. Channel 69 may get a stay of execution as an unregulated channel, but without any guarantee of quality you might miss the latest racist slur. But it's not all good news. As John points out: This is actually quite a serious issue - both for the professional theatres and, possibly even more so, for amateur societies as well as churches and roaming conferences (and the freelance PA people who provide for such events). I think Ofcom need to take a good long look at who uses the RF spectrum around the analogue TV frequencies, and allocate various sections (preferably the same as a currently used, having just spent several thousand pounds on radio mics) for low cost, local licences (inc. temporary and non-exclusive ones). Ofcom is proposing to keep some space available for a while - until 2012 - but with its contract with the JFMG expiring in September 2008 there'll be no one to manage allocations unless it's extended. Meanwhile, theatre companies are already reluctant to buy more equipment for fear of being unable to use it once Ofcom decides what to do. With an individual microphone rig costing up to ?10,000 it's unsurprising they've started renting kit from abroad rather than investing in such an uncertain future. Some readers, such as Matt Bieneman, looked to a more technical solution: I and several of my friends have used these systems since they came out about two years ago. They work incredibly well, even in areas with lots of interference and 2.4 GHz AirPort systems. Although I don't have personal experience using 50 or more channels, others do; these systems can work with up to about 100 channels. According to the professionals, such digital systems are still not suitable for commercial use - not only do they lack the quality needed for theatre, they also introduce an unacceptable latency. The Sabine system also uses 2.4GHz, where competition from Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and even microwave ovens makes guaranteeing quality of service very difficult. The industry is looking at digital technologies, and developments might take the problem away, but would you bet an industry on it? It might seem that an industry which claims to be worth ?15bn annually could afford to bid for spectrum like everyone else. But that ?15bn doesn't come to the theatres; most of it goes to hotels, travel, and other expenses incurred by the 60 per cent of West End audiences who come from abroad. So, the proponents argue, an industry that brings so much to the UK deserves to be a special case: Ofcom should hand over some spectrum for the good of the country, or at least, for the good of the tourist industry. Reserving a few deregulated channels might help those running church fates or Highland games, but deregulation would in turn make it impossible for professionals to rely on them. The JMFG has set up a site where you can check how the proposals might impact your usage, which will depend on the frequencies you are currently using. Ofcom swears blind that this isn't about making money, but about "maximising the value that the use of this spectrum is likely to bring to society over time", though the name - digital dividend - would seem to belie that ideal. Promises to work region by region, or hold open frequencies until 2012, will just drive professionals mad and make investment in the industry an even more risky proposition. As a country we need to decide if the entertainment industry deserves special treatment, because of the money it brings into the country and the prestige it confers on the UK. Otherwise, we could bet the farm on a technical solution or just sell off the spectrum to the highest bidder. Ofcom is still accepting comments on the proposal, and nothing has been decided, but a great deal more than the next series of Big Brother is at stake here. From stephen at melbpc.org.au Sat Jan 20 21:40:29 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:40:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070120211800.021c5008@melbpc.org.au> At 10:35 AM 20/01/2007, Richard writes: > The OLPC is driven by fine sentiments and laudable enthusiasm. > So what is the sin in asking these questions? If that were all, then, great ... it's comments like in your last post that I must say get me down regarding a philanthropic education initiative. Eg: > "The entire scheme is wonderful publicity and that's *all*. " Which, to me, is unfair and beneath you, Richard. Still, I must admit that, though after ten years Link of membership I believe my posting re this was my first 'emotional' type response (and which I don't feel great about now) a 32 year involvement in education does drive one. . After so many years of fighting for education resources, in every way I can, it's a difficult habit to break. By all means, whinge-on my friend, but please just logically support your arguments, and i will also. Fair? Cheers Richard Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.1/640 - Release Date: 19/01/2007 4:46 PM From kauer at biplane.com.au Sat Jan 20 22:08:50 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:08:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Solar cells In-Reply-To: <45B1EEBB.3010009@aarnet.edu.au> References: <1169268954.5841.325.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45B1EEBB.3010009@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <1169291330.6586.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 20:58 +1030, Glen Turner wrote: > Glad to hear it is working well. Well, we makin' power, but it goin' nowhere - because Country Energy has yet to connect the grid. But it is working *in principle* :-) > Computing, and networking in particular, is front and centre when it comes > to the wasteful use of electricity. It's the weekend, and yet every > ethernet switch runs as though it is facing peak load, just so you get > this e-mail milliseconds earlier. Yes. We want all our infrastructure to be always-on. We want 24/7 supermarkets and petrol stations, 24/7 help desks. We complain if the power is out for one single minute, let alone an hour. We buy televisions and stereos with standby modes so that we won't have to wait ten seconds when we switch them on. Is a puzzlement. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From link at todd.inoz.com Sat Jan 20 23:28:48 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:28:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: <45B1F05F.7020107@aarnet.edu.au> References: <45B1F05F.7020107@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070120232126.0314e920@wheresmymailserver.com> At 09:35 PM 20/01/2007, Glen Turner wrote: >Something to watch for here in a few years? Nope. >Ofcom is consulting on a proposal to sell the frequencies currently >used by analogue TV when the grand switch over to digital starts in >2008. But lurking among the TV channels are hundreds of wireless >microphones and communications equipment used by the entertainment >industry, using short-term licenses allocated by the Joint Frequency >Management Group (JFMG) at, relatively, low cost. > >Reader DT summed it up nicely... > > Can you imagine Cats being done with cabled mics, or Starlite > Express, or Les Mis, or The Lion King? I can't. I did see > Superstar in the west end during the 70s and marvelled that no-one > got tripped up or tied up in the myriad number of cables that > snaked constantly about the stage. We already use the 800 Mhz band, it's not in jeopardy. >But it's not just musical theatre that will suffer, as Fletcher >Fletchowicz points out... > > Regarding the sellout of radio frequencies and complaints of > theatre types: channel 69, the part of the spectrum allocated for > radio mics, is also used by film and television crews. So as well > as no more theatre you'll be facing no more Bill, no more > Hollyoaks, no more Dr Who, and no more quality UK production > anywhere. Nope, we're not allowed to use that. Actually all the VHF frequencies were made illegal about 6 years ago. There was a 4 year "transition" period permitted because of the value of some of the equipment. However you can buy these kits on Ebay for $10 :) Why is beyond me, the noise on the band with cross talk and adjacent streaming data makes it unviable - in Australia anyway. We Film and TV crews are using a limited about of 800 Mhz kit for wireless mic, some analog but a growing amount of digital. Many are now moving to the 2.4 Gig and the 5 Gig bands. Anyone sending video is using 20 and 30 Gig bands and doing it in digital >...and no more Big Brother. Channel 69 may get a stay of execution as >an unregulated channel, but without any guarantee of quality you might >miss the latest racist slur. But it's not all good news. As John We have Channel 31. They need only apply for a digital licence :) But as the politics within Channel 31 in most cities is worse than that of Parliament House during Question time, I doubt it will happen sooner than later. Mind you, if these "broadcasters" were serious, they'd save up the $20,000 for their own TX kit and stop leasing one for $250,000 a year. >to do. With an individual microphone rig costing up to ?10,000 it's >unsurprising they've started renting kit from abroad rather than My goodness, that must be like 30 RX sets! >investing in such an uncertain future. Actually a lot of the new stuff have removable RF boards, plug and pray :) > I and several of my friends have used these systems since they > came out about two years ago. They work incredibly well, even in > areas with lots of interference and 2.4 GHz AirPort > systems. Although I don't have personal experience using 50 or > more channels, others do; these systems can work with up to about > 100 channels. You couldn't do that in Australia. And god know why anyone would be running 100 channels of microphones! No human could distinguish the sounds! >According to the professionals, such digital systems are still not >suitable for commercial use - not only do they lack the quality needed >for theatre, they also introduce an unacceptable latency. The Sabine >system also uses 2.4GHz, where competition from Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and >even microwave ovens makes guaranteeing quality of service very >difficult. Rubbish. I use 2.4 Gig for three channels of Audio/Video feed, a number of wireless Mics and even as repeaters! Never had a problem. Even with WiFi and Bluetooth running around the place. Mind you the RX modules are totally whipped out when someone (like me) hits the TX button on a 477 Mhz two way radio :) From kauer at biplane.com.au Sun Jan 21 00:06:19 2007 From: kauer at biplane.com.au (Karl Auer) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:06:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20070120232126.0314e920@wheresmymailserver.com> References: <45B1F05F.7020107@aarnet.edu.au> <6.2.0.14.0.20070120232126.0314e920@wheresmymailserver.com> Message-ID: <1169298379.6586.70.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 23:28 +1100, Adam Todd wrote: > > systems. Although I don't have personal experience using 50 or > > more channels, others do; these systems can work with up to about > > 100 channels. > > You couldn't do that in Australia. And god know why anyone would be > running 100 channels of microphones! No human could distinguish the sounds! I think it means channels within the band. Much as you have 11 or so channels within the 2.4GHz wireless networking band. Wlakie-talkies often channel hop within the their band to avoid interference. MOdems (remember modems?) used to channel switch to find the best-quality link within the band. Even if it does mean 100 separate feeds, who says they are all going to the same human ears? It could be multiple destinations. Or think the entire cast of Cats, each separately miked. Or two or more simultanoeus productions within the same building. This, like much of your message, it looks a lot like the Argument from Personal Ignorance. "I have never had a problem doing what I do, which is vaguely like what you do, using equipment vaguely like your equipment, under conditions vaguely like yours, and I have never had a problem, ergo, you are wrong". K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer at biplane.com.au) +61-2-64957160 (h) http://www.biplane.com.au/~kauer/ +61-428-957160 (mob) From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Sun Jan 21 09:17:18 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:17:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070120211800.021c5008@melbpc.org.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070120211800.021c5008@melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> Stephen Loosley wrote: >At 10:35 AM 20/01/2007, Richard writes: > > > >>The OLPC is driven by fine sentiments and laudable enthusiasm. >>So what is the sin in asking these questions? >> >> > >If that were all, then, great ... it's comments like in your last post that >I must say get me down regarding a philanthropic education initiative. > >Eg: > "The entire scheme is wonderful publicity and that's *all*. " > >Which, to me, is unfair and beneath you, Richard. Still, I must admit >that, though after ten years Link of membership I believe my posting >re this was my first 'emotional' type response (and which I don't feel >great about now) a 32 year involvement in education does drive one. . > >After so many years of fighting for education resources, in every way >I can, it's a difficult habit to break. By all means, whinge-on my friend, >but please just logically support your arguments, and i will also. Fair? > > Sure. Refer my now most-recent post: where is there evidence-based research, rather than advocacy, which says computers are the best investment in primary and high-school education? The Indian response to OLPC - "demagogically suspect" I think? - sums it up. The computer industry has worked very hard over more than two decades to market into education, and in doing so has built a pretty much universal belief in the necessity of computers in classrooms. But where's the longitudinal studies, say, which demonstrate the efficacy of classroom computers as a teaching instrument? What tells us that children now are better educated than even ten years ago because there are more computers? Where's the genuinely independent evidence which eliminates mere correlation (ie, a more prosperous society has both better education *and* more computers)? Without this evidence, OLPC as educational philanthropy is vulnerable to the simple (and I think correct) criticism that it's simply the wrong answer to the question - it's an answer shaped by IT ideology rather than educational science. That vulnerability should be answered; and IMO the answer needs to be founded on more than fine sentiment. As to my cricitism that the OLPC is a good publicity device: hasn't it been? Cheers, RC >Cheers Richard >Stephen Loosley >Victoria, Australia > > > > From alan at austlii.edu.au Sun Jan 21 09:57:13 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:57:13 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070120211800.021c5008@melbpc.org.au> <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <20070121095713.89613413.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:17:18 +1100 > > Refer my now most-recent post: where is there evidence-based > research, rather than advocacy, which says computers are the best > investment in primary and high-school education? The Indian response > to OLPC - "demagogically suspect" I think? - sums it up. > > The computer industry has worked very hard over more than two decades > to market into education, and in doing so has built a pretty much > universal belief in the necessity of computers in classrooms. But > where's the longitudinal studies, say, which demonstrate the efficacy > of classroom computers as a teaching instrument? What tells us that > children now are better educated than even ten years ago because > there are more computers? Where's the genuinely independent evidence > which eliminates mere correlation (ie, a more prosperous society has > both better education *and* more computers)? > Well, yes and no. The real evidence, and it is extremely interesting, begins with a study by Dubin and Taveggia in 1968 "The Teaching-Learning Praradox", Center for the Advanced Study of Educational Administration, University of Oregon, 1968. Their study, repeated a number of times since, showed conclusively that there is no measurable difference among distinctive methods of university instruction. Lectures, small group teaching, "Socratic", self-study, you-name-it: the method of teaching and delivery simply made no measurable differences. You can read a nice summary and analysis of the situation at http://www.nettskolen.com/forskning/50/Jointarticle3.html After their bombshell, several methods of teaching WERE shown to have a measurable effect, but the methods were independent of delivery methods: I am referring to the Keller Plan and various forms of "Mastery" learning. The Point? Computers *can* be an effective delivery platform. A $100 computer *could* deliver much more educational material than a similar amount spent on books or on real teachers. Caveat: Dubin and Taveggia were talking about university level education. I am no expert on child education, and I don't know what level the OLPC is aiming at. As an aside, it is very disappointing that university staff generally do not believe that any of the above applies to their discipline. Cheers, Alan -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Sun Jan 21 10:15:29 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:15:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070120211800.021c5008@melbpc.org.au> <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii197$26mll7@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> At 09:17 AM 21/01/2007, rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote: >Without this evidence, OLPC as educational philanthropy is >vulnerable to the simple (and I think correct) criticism that it's >simply the wrong answer to the question - it's an answer shaped by >IT ideology rather than educational science. That vulnerability >should be answered; and IMO the answer needs to be founded on more >than fine sentiment. Hi guys. Interesting discussion from varying backgrounds. Isn't the answer contextual (re the point at which the computers will be introduced into 'educational systems'), what they'll be used for, and the details of what they include in their own package? I think it's a very complex situation, as Danny pointed out when any externals are brought in out of a desire to do good things sometimes resulting in the exact opposite outcome and doing more damage than good. The objective must be determined in advance, not just the method. Evaluation needs to be part of this project - and different kinds of evaluation: formative, summative, outcomes and longitudinal. I wonder if they've put that in their $100/seat figures? Richard asked about research to "demonstrate the efficacy of classroom computers as a teaching instrument". Too blunt, too broad. As a 'teaching instrument' for what? At what level of education? For what population of students? If I took a little time in the literature, I could probably find all kinds of studies to support a hypothesis of positive outcomes. (I'm not going to, though.) There are probably fewer reports of failures, though. Doesn't mean there aren't failures, just that they're less likely to be reported. Having said all that, if the work does result in cheaper computers for everyone, that's a good thing in itself. We've already seen huge drops, so more in that direction is much appreciated. But I hope they don't confuse the drop in the cost of the computer with a drop in 'cost of ownership'. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From eleanor at pacific.net.au Sun Jan 21 10:26:33 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:26:33 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070120211800.021c5008@melbpc.org.au> <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <45B2A529.8050609@pacific.net.au> i would argue that all this debate, and even the publicity pushing the OLPC, is taking the eye off the ball. the issue is much more basic; the geeks believe that connectivity is the answer to almost everything, the mere fact of a global communications arena that even the poorest can link to will materially assist all societies. in their favour are some interesting facts, e.g; the civil war in Cambodia closed down (15 years ago? i disremember) almost as soon as radiotelephone links were installed across the country, and all parties could talk, which dispelled fear, after which the UN had a relatively easy time of it, and they are now a corrupt democratic dictatorship like everyone else. and OLPC is communications on steroids for the poor. so what could be wrong with this idea? well, nothing, if you really want the fully electronic world with everyone merely a keystroke away ... but perhaps some communities may not welcome this unambiguously. so some kid in a mud hut ignores the customs, ceremonies and obligations required by the community in which s/he lives, thus damaging them and the chances of survival for the village ... but has an awesome avatar in Second Life :( get these kids a First Life, first, then worry about online activities. regards, EL rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote: > Stephen Loosley wrote: > >> At 10:35 AM 20/01/2007, Richard writes: >> >> >> >>> The OLPC is driven by fine sentiments and laudable enthusiasm. >>> So what is the sin in asking these questions? >> >> If that were all, then, great ... it's comments like in your last >> post that >> I must say get me down regarding a philanthropic education initiative. >> >> Eg: > "The entire scheme is wonderful publicity and that's *all*. " >> >> Which, to me, is unfair and beneath you, Richard. Still, I must admit >> that, though after ten years Link of membership I believe my posting >> re this was my first 'emotional' type response (and which I don't feel >> great about now) a 32 year involvement in education does drive one. . >> >> After so many years of fighting for education resources, in every way >> I can, it's a difficult habit to break. By all means, whinge-on my >> friend, >> but please just logically support your arguments, and i will also. Fair? >> >> > Sure. > > Refer my now most-recent post: where is there evidence-based research, > rather than advocacy, which says computers are the best investment in > primary and high-school education? The Indian response to OLPC - > "demagogically suspect" I think? - sums it up. > > The computer industry has worked very hard over more than two decades > to market into education, and in doing so has built a pretty much > universal belief in the necessity of computers in classrooms. But > where's the longitudinal studies, say, which demonstrate the efficacy > of classroom computers as a teaching instrument? What tells us that > children now are better educated than even ten years ago because there > are more computers? Where's the genuinely independent evidence which > eliminates mere correlation (ie, a more prosperous society has both > better education *and* more computers)? > > Without this evidence, OLPC as educational philanthropy is vulnerable > to the simple (and I think correct) criticism that it's simply the > wrong answer to the question - it's an answer shaped by IT ideology > rather than educational science. That vulnerability should be > answered; and IMO the answer needs to be founded on more than fine > sentiment. > > As to my cricitism that the OLPC is a good publicity device: hasn't it > been? > > Cheers, > RC > >> Cheers Richard >> Stephen Loosley >> Victoria, Australia -- ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Sun Jan 21 16:34:39 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:34:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] CLEAN (SCORE=27.12) - European Commission study: FLOSS is key for ICT competitiveness Message-ID: <45B2FB6F.50303@hunterlink.net.au> "The European Commission has released a study about the economic impact of Free/Libre or Open Source Software (FLOSS) on the European ICT sector." -- David Boxall | Any given program, | when running correctly, | is obsolete. | --Arthur C. Clarke From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Sun Jan 21 16:41:50 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:41:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] CLEAN (SCORE=23.07) - I'm sure we'll find uses for it Message-ID: <45B2FD1E.3090301@hunterlink.net.au> Maybe 8 cores: , then 80 cores: and the software to go with it: . -- David Boxall | When a distinguished but elderly | scientist states that something is | possible, he is almost certainly | right. When he states that | something is impossible, he is | very probably wrong. --Arthur C. Clarke From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Sun Jan 21 17:56:48 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:56:48 +1100 Subject: [LINK] POSSIBLE SPAM (SCORE=35.84) - Despite 100 Million IE 7 Installs, Microsoft's Browser Still Loses Ground Message-ID: <45B30EB0.4030205@hunterlink.net.au> "Maybe Microsoft's met its match with Firefox. Maybe it just can't compete against open-source and the whole world [as developers]." -- David Boxall | Drink no longer water, | but use a little wine | for thy stomach's sake ... | King James Bible | 1 Timothy 5:23 From stephen at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 22 01:56:16 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (Stephen Loosley) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:56:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> References: <200701150953.l0F9pS4t021272@anumail0.anu.edu.au> <20070118223244.54A5526437@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <7.0.1.0.0.20070119224047.01efbe90@melbpc.org.au> <45B155C6.1020303@ozemail.com.au> <7.0.1.0.0.20070120211800.021c5008@melbpc.org.au> <45B294EE.1010305@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070122001636.021d0ca8@melbpc.org.au> At 09:17 AM 21/01/2007, Richard writes: > The Indian response to OLPC - "demagogically suspect" I think? Yes, and good on them for that. India is quite rightly proud of it's own IT-expertise. Maybe they will come up with their own modular-based, open-source *physical* as well as software design in future? Good :-) > it's an answer shaped by IT ideology rather than educational science Regarding edu research I'll do a Stewart and take the third on that one. But, how about this? With the solid OLPC distribution system they will no-doubt be setting up, Australia could offer an additional pallet of lined A4 paper, pencils, dictionaries and atlases. Even ambitiously, chalk :-) And that, with some times-tables and language charts in the language (together with an OLPC) could turn out many a future Oxford graduate. At 10:26 AM 21/01/2007, Eleanor writes: > i would argue that all this debate, and even the publicity pushing > the OLPC, is taking the eye off the ball. Yes, in a right-wing-world, the disadvantaged need to remain a focus. That means communities. Objective research still has real problems nailing down final-answers regarding education, IT and learning. True. 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Regards, Jason --- Jason Douglas Online Communities Officer British Educational Communications and Technology Agency (Becta) Millburn Hill Road Science Park Coventry CV4 7JJ -- Cheers Richard Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 20/01/2007 10:31 PM From kim at holburn.net Mon Jan 22 07:15:44 2007 From: kim at holburn.net (Kim Holburn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:15:44 +0100 Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture Message-ID: <08DCA634-517A-443A-90B2-F811D54C9A3D@holburn.net> Very interesting article about designing for sustainable use. I have said before on link that one answer to the land-fill problem is to put a disposal tax on things that need disposing. It seems it's already happening and will increase. Designing things - appliances that last - needs a different economic approach - along the lines of a service rather than a product. From issue 2585 of New Scientist magazine, 04 January 2007, page 31-35 Better by design: battling the throwaway culture (requires subscription to read on-line) http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19325851.000- better-by-design-battling-the-throwaway-culture.html > Americans use and throw away 2.5 million plastic bottles an hour. > The British produce enough garbage to fill the Albert Hall every 2 > hours. According to the authors of Natural Capitalism, Paul Hawken, > Amory Lovins and Hunter Lovins, only 1 per cent of all materials > flowing through the US economy ends up in products still being used > six months after manufacture. The waste entailed in our fleeting > affairs with consumer durables is colossal. > Take the average domestic power tool. However much DIY we plan on > doing, the truth is we throw these away after using them, on > average, for just 10 minutes. Most will serve "conscience time", > gathering dust on a shelf in the garage, but the end is inevitable: > thousands of years mouldering underground. A power tool consumes > many times its own weight of resources in its design, manufacture, > packaging, transportation and disposal, all for a shorter active > lifespan than that of the adult mayfly. > On the day you read this the same volume of trade will take place > as occurred in the whole of 1949. We now make as many phone calls > in a day as were made in the whole of 1983. The information age was > supposed to lighten our economies and reduce our impact on the > environment, but in fact the reverse seems to be happening. We have > simply added information technology to the industrial era and > speeded up the developed world's metabolism, Thackara argues. > > Once you grasp that, the cure is hardly rocket science: minimise > waste and energy use, stop moving stuff around so much and use > people more. Achieving this is not so easy, however. Growing > numbers of people may be choosing to opt out by downsizing or > embracing the ideology of the "slow movement", which seeks to > reverse the frenetic pace of living, but a return to pre-industrial > ways will never be a global solution. "We cannot stop tech," > Thackara says, "and there's no reason why we should. It's useful. > But we need to change the innovation agenda in such a way that > people come before tech." > Consumer durables will increasingly be sold with plans already in > place for their disposal - electronic goods will be designed to be > recyclable, with the extra cost added onto the retail price as > prepayment > Japan is WEEEcycling > > In 2001, a critical shortage of landfill sites forced the Japanese > government to pass a law adding the cost of recycling home > appliances to the retail price. This gave manufacturers guaranteed > revenue to invest in recycling plants. In 2004, 540,000 Sony > televisions were recycled at the company's 15 recycling centres. > With over 80 per cent of Japan's TVs now being recycled, the > initiative has easily outperformed government targets. > > Another bill passed in the same year enshrines the principles of > "reduce, reuse and recycle" for a whole swathe of consumer items. > Computer manufacturers, for example, are now obliged to take back > and recycle obsolete computers - users can have them collected or > drop them off at post offices. A mark stamped on the computer > indicates that recycling costs have been prepaid; otherwise > consumers foot the bill. In 2004, Toshiba took back 5343 desktop > PCs and 9568 laptops. > > Worldwide, discarded computers, mobile phones and electronic > gadgets now account for 5 per cent of waste, according to the UN > Environment Programme. In the US, between 14 and 20 million PCs are > dumped each year. Electrical waste is the fastest-growing category > in Europe, with the UK alone producing 1 million tonnes a year. > > The European Union has not been nearly as successful as Japan at > dealing with the problem, though. In 2003 its directive on the > recycling of waste electrical and electronic equipment (WEEE) > became law, requiring producers in member countries to take > responsibility for recycling and waste management, and for > retailers to offer take-back services. However, member states have > dragged their feet in implementing the directive, and this July the > UK will become the last major EU country to comply. > > In the meantime, Japanese companies are starting to profit from > having had to think carefully about designing more sustainable > products, and are now exporting their expertise around the world > through their subsidiaries. In 2005 Matsushita, owner of Panasonic, > established Ecology Net Europe in Germany, a subsidiary aimed at > capitalising on Europe's move to WEEE recycling. It sends employees > to European recycling companies to advise on the feasibility and > ease of disassembling various electrical appliances. Back in Japan, > Hitachi and Toshiba are developing "design for disassembly" > software to help create recyclable products, and Sharp has even > achieved automated disassembly for some basic items, including > battery chargers. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From kim.holburn at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 08:29:45 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:29:45 +0100 Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture Message-ID: <206F7362-5740-448B-B2AC-2802B8D57607@gmail.com> Very interesting article about designing for sustainable use. I have said before on link that one answer to the land-fill problem is to put a disposal tax on things that need disposing. It seems it's already happening and will increase. Designing things - appliances that last - needs a different economic approach - along the lines of a service rather than a product. From issue 2585 of New Scientist magazine, 04 January 2007, page 31-35 Better by design: battling the throwaway culture (requires subscription to read on-line) http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19325851.000- better-by-design-battling-the-throwaway-culture.html > Americans use and throw away 2.5 million plastic bottles an hour. > The British produce enough garbage to fill the Albert Hall every 2 > hours. According to the authors of Natural Capitalism, Paul Hawken, > Amory Lovins and Hunter Lovins, only 1 per cent of all materials > flowing through the US economy ends up in products still being used > six months after manufacture. The waste entailed in our fleeting > affairs with consumer durables is colossal. > Take the average domestic power tool. However much DIY we plan on > doing, the truth is we throw these away after using them, on > average, for just 10 minutes. Most will serve "conscience time", > gathering dust on a shelf in the garage, but the end is inevitable: > thousands of years mouldering underground. A power tool consumes > many times its own weight of resources in its design, manufacture, > packaging, transportation and disposal, all for a shorter active > lifespan than that of the adult mayfly. > On the day you read this the same volume of trade will take place > as occurred in the whole of 1949. We now make as many phone calls > in a day as were made in the whole of 1983. The information age was > supposed to lighten our economies and reduce our impact on the > environment, but in fact the reverse seems to be happening. We have > simply added information technology to the industrial era and > speeded up the developed world's metabolism, Thackara argues. > > Once you grasp that, the cure is hardly rocket science: minimise > waste and energy use, stop moving stuff around so much and use > people more. Achieving this is not so easy, however. Growing > numbers of people may be choosing to opt out by downsizing or > embracing the ideology of the "slow movement", which seeks to > reverse the frenetic pace of living, but a return to pre-industrial > ways will never be a global solution. "We cannot stop tech," > Thackara says, "and there's no reason why we should. It's useful. > But we need to change the innovation agenda in such a way that > people come before tech." > Consumer durables will increasingly be sold with plans already in > place for their disposal - electronic goods will be designed to be > recyclable, with the extra cost added onto the retail price as > prepayment > Japan is WEEEcycling > > In 2001, a critical shortage of landfill sites forced the Japanese > government to pass a law adding the cost of recycling home > appliances to the retail price. This gave manufacturers guaranteed > revenue to invest in recycling plants. In 2004, 540,000 Sony > televisions were recycled at the company's 15 recycling centres. > With over 80 per cent of Japan's TVs now being recycled, the > initiative has easily outperformed government targets. > > Another bill passed in the same year enshrines the principles of > "reduce, reuse and recycle" for a whole swathe of consumer items. > Computer manufacturers, for example, are now obliged to take back > and recycle obsolete computers - users can have them collected or > drop them off at post offices. A mark stamped on the computer > indicates that recycling costs have been prepaid; otherwise > consumers foot the bill. In 2004, Toshiba took back 5343 desktop > PCs and 9568 laptops. > > Worldwide, discarded computers, mobile phones and electronic > gadgets now account for 5 per cent of waste, according to the UN > Environment Programme. In the US, between 14 and 20 million PCs are > dumped each year. Electrical waste is the fastest-growing category > in Europe, with the UK alone producing 1 million tonnes a year. > > The European Union has not been nearly as successful as Japan at > dealing with the problem, though. In 2003 its directive on the > recycling of waste electrical and electronic equipment (WEEE) > became law, requiring producers in member countries to take > responsibility for recycling and waste management, and for > retailers to offer take-back services. However, member states have > dragged their feet in implementing the directive, and this July the > UK will become the last major EU country to comply. > > In the meantime, Japanese companies are starting to profit from > having had to think carefully about designing more sustainable > products, and are now exporting their expertise around the world > through their subsidiaries. In 2005 Matsushita, owner of Panasonic, > established Ecology Net Europe in Germany, a subsidiary aimed at > capitalising on Europe's move to WEEE recycling. It sends employees > to European recycling companies to advise on the feasibility and > ease of disassembling various electrical appliances. Back in Japan, > Hitachi and Toshiba are developing "design for disassembly" > software to help create recyclable products, and Sharp has even > achieved automated disassembly for some basic items, including > battery chargers. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Sun Jan 21 16:13:43 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:13:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> Message-ID: <20070121215726.6A2659939@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> At 04:40 PM 1/8/2007, I wrote: >Recommended: > >>Seventh Canberra WSG meeting ... 18 January ... This was an excellent meeting, as is usual for the Web Standard Group. These are some notes taken during the presentations: >>First speaker: Alexi Paschalidis, Oxide Interactive Topic 1: Navy >>web site redevelopment ... Alex gave a passionate exposition on how to redevelop a web site using web standards, the battle against those who just see the web as a form of graphic design and the wishes of "corporate" for something flashy and fleeting. The Royal Australian Navy were one of the pioneers of web development in the Australian Government. They had developed a web site of their own before I initiated the project to create the Defence Home Page . The Navy seem to have maintained their independent tradition with their own web site, working alongside Defence's central site and Defence Recruiting. A feature of the Navy site redevelopment is semantic consistency. They are using Semantic XHTML with structural consistency; for example a second level heading

always has a first level heading above it

. Images are important for the Navy, as might be expected with photos of ships. But Alexi pointed out that photos of people are actually more popular than those of equipment. The Navy web site is relatively modest, with 2,500 static web pages and 4,000 visitors a day (my web site gets about 1,000). Because of the use of centralized maintenance there is no need for a CMS and the staff code directly in HTML without the use of a web layout package. Alexi argues that using Semantic XHTML (as emphasized in XHTML 2.0 ) cuts out many day to day design decisions is creating web pages. Clearly he saw this as a positive feature (whereas some of the creative types might see it as a negative). Some of the metadata for the web pages can be inserted automatically from the content (for example the TITLE from the H2 heading). There is minimal layout in the HTML code, with this done in the CSS. In place of the usual web development tools, the open-source revision control system is used . This is usually used by computer program developers to maintain multiple versions of complex systems, but has been used for document editing, but is also used in the ICE educational document creation system . This allows for smart change control of the web site with detection of conflicts between different updates. Because the Navy have an emphasis on photography, the Navy site has a special system for collecting the professional take photos and uploading them to the web site. The system creates versions in multiple resolutions and maintains the metadata from the originals. Interestingly the Navy use Google, rather than their own search software. They use the Google Public Service Search program . This provides the Google search engine, tailored to the organisation's needs but without ads. Given the importance of Google to Australian web sites (discussed in a later talk below), this is a reasonable decision. But it might be disappointing to Australian web search companies, such as Public Service Search program enterprise search companies, such as Funnelback . A little AI on the site's feedback form had allowed 80% of queries to be answered automatically. Alexi emphasized the need to educate the customers about the benefits of using standards on web sites and the need to be vigilant about the danger of graphic designers being brought in to design web sites. This and the frustration with senior executives wanting to make quick changes are problems familiar to IT developers. The Navy has to position its web site with the others of the Defence portfolio, principally the central Defence site and Defence Recruiting . Some might ask why the Navy needs a web site at all. However, having one large amorphous web site will confuse the clients and lead to expensive extra layers of coordination (as the UK Government is likely to find out in the next year with its centralist push). An emphasis of Defence's at present is recruiting (the Defence department advertise jobs on my web site using Google AdSense ). The next version of the Navy web site will have the text rewritten for the web (rather than just whatever was take from an existing source). Consideration will be given to adding commonly used business transactions and support for reserve personnel without access to the Defence secure network (this was an issue ten years ago when I was at Defence HQ). Some items on the wish list were blog style pages (with moderation) for a more personal view of the organisation, tags and wiki style text based cross references. Google Analytic is used for analysis of web site use. I have used this myself, but with a small site the novelty wears off quickly. If you do want Analytics (which is free) it might be quicker to get it by singing up for Google AdWords . Unfortunately some of Alexi's credibility as a web worker was undone when I went to his own web site and found a message saying "... our website will be offline from Friday 19 January to Sunday 21 January for a complete overhaul ...". Why give a presentation on web site design one day to hundreds of potential customers and take your web site off-line the next? >>Second speaker: Gavin Dispain, Department of the Environment and >>Heritage ... 2006 web standards audit of Australian Government home pages ... During December 2006, Gavin arranged for 105 Australian Government web sites (from AAD to WEA) to be tested for accessibility, compliance with web standards, and Australian Government guidelines. The results deserved a whole day presentation, not the few minutes available. Gavan used tools such as the W3C HTML and CSS Validators, Xact's Bobby tool to test the sites. In 2001 I did a similar analysis but only did one page per agency , whereas Gavan has done up to 5,000 pages per agency. The results showed government web pages are good orverall, but with room for improvement: * 69% had the correct government logo on them. Most used the 48 pixel size version. But I wonder what percentage of web traffic is being wasted transporting duplicate copies of the Australian Arms . * Only 28% of home pages had an accessibility link (but this is not required by the guidelines). Some hot topics on government web sites were "connected water" 4% and "access card" 14.2%, while 28% of all the traffic to government web sites was coming from Google. 55% of the Government web pages are in HTML, 18% PDF and 1% Microsoft word. Annual reports have 55% PDF documents and the Budget 84%. Home pages contain an average of 17 images and other pages 12 images. This is much lower than the industry average of 53 images per page. 77% of HTML web pages have DTD references. 48% of the HTML is XHTML level 1 transitional. Only 27% of the pages are valid HTML, but with Gavin commenting most of the errors were only minor. One site which rated badly was that of CrimTrac . So I ran a few tests myself. The W3C Markup Validation Service reported 120 errors in the CrimTrac home page . The page has 42 images, which is a little high. There is dublin core metadata on the page but not an ordinary author, description or keywords. The page failed an automated accessibility test with: 66 level one, 31 level two and 12 level three problems . Also the favorites icon seems to be missing <http://www.crimtrac.gov.au/favicon.ico>. In addition CrimTrac's use of the Australian Arms does not appear to comply with government guidelines. In terms of web site accessibility for the disabled, the sites rated relatively well on the W3C Web Accessibility Guidelines: - 78% A - 10% AA - 6% AAA The "A" rating could be improved with simple additions of ALT text on images . 71% of home ages were less than 100kbytes (which is good). There were 100,616 broken internal links on government web pages (which is not so good). There were 404 misspellings of "Australia" (which is odd). Some hot topics were "community water grants", "e-strategy guide". Highly rating web sites were BOM, ATO, Job Search and Center Link. Gavin got a show of hands at the end to indicate that a similar survey should be run next year by AGIMO. But I doubt that a more official audit will be so entertainingly reported. >>Third speaker: Karl Hayes, Hitwise Topic 3: Best practice tactics >>for government web sites ... >>... www.webstandardsgroup.org ... Hitwise provides statistics on who is looking at what web page . Karl provided some fascinating statistics and insights. Hitwise combines traditional market research with on-line monitoring of what people are looking at on the web with information obtained from ISPs. A very surprise to find the Online Opinion web site tops the "political" category, greatly outperforming any of the web sites of political parties. On Line Opinion is a non-profit academic style e-journal. I am on the advisory board for the site and have suggested we up our advertising charges as a result . ;-) As noted in Gavin's talk, BOM dominates government web sites in terms of page views (56%) and Google dominates in terms of searching (86%). One surprise is that Google is also a significant web site in its own right (16%). Karl had some interesting speculations about the future of web sites with consumer generated media, MySpace,YouTube, Podcasts and Wikipedia. Hot topics: "water crisis", "water saving". Karl argued that Australian advertisers were overspending on advertising in tradition radio, TV and print media, given the Web's increasing influence. He quickly skipped over some of the demographic categories which market researchers divide the population into. Some of the categories I saw were "Australia: Raising Expectations: comfortable outer suburban families in affordable homes", and "US: Cracker Barrel Cheese: Satellite dish, field and stream magazine, NASCAR Wilson Cup, Ford F250 Pickup". One point he made was that commercial advertisers were buying government related keywords from Google and directing viewers to their commercial sites. This seems to be legal and largely ethical. About all the Government agencies can do is to bid for the keywords themselves (my web site gets ads for Defence recruiting). One thought which occurs to me is that web sites featuring the whether and disaster information might rate very well. Government's may not wish to have paid commercial advertising on their web sites, but perhaps they could have internal government advertising. Each government web page could have a space reserved for advertising. Normally this would be used to promote government initiatives and publicize web sites (in effect the Government's own Google AdWords). The reserved space would also be used to advise the public of emergency information (emergency information is an area where Federal and State Australian governments do poorly online and as a result are placing the lives of citizens at risk). Unfortunately Karl's excellent content was let down by slides with largely unreadable text. Hitwise need to study up on the accessibility standards the other two speakers were talking about. This was very much a user group with a comfortable camaraderie amongst the speakers and audience, without the usual phony pretentiousness of many corporate IT events. One surprise is that AGIMO came in for light hearted banter, unlike the usual cold resect (or loathing) that central coordination agencies usual get. I attended to hear of the audit of web sites, but both of the other presentations were worth attending for on their own. WSG meeting usually have two talks and they should return to that format. While it was all good, there was just too much content to absorb in one session. It was a little cramped, with every seat taken in the "bunker theatre" under the Department of Environment . And yes, my phone didn't;work in the radiation shielded former cold war nuclear shelter. The WSG is providing an excellent forum for government web developers in Canberra. One use of such meetings is to chat with other web workers. Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 22 09:35:28 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:35:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: <200701202125.l0KLPnLT015307@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: > Ofcom spectrum sale hurts more than just the luvvies I think that spectrum auctions/sales in Australia (and in most of the world) have been the source of extraordinary wastefulness of this nation's technological potential over the past few decades. The income from sales/auctions is just a hidden form of indirect Federal Government taxation. The allocation is done in a way that is extraordinarily wasteful in its application. The restrictions imposed on spectrum use, mean that 90% of the national spectrum resource goes unused for most of the time. It is hard to think of a worse way of allocating resources than this. Apart from the available TV and radio broadcasting channels, and a few narrow bands like cellphones, air traffic control and taxi despatch, most of the rest of the spectrum lies unused for most of the time. We supposedly use the international spectrum allocation for television transmission, yet Australia has never used Channels 12 to 27 in the UHF band. Yet this is the best part of the UHF band for distance broadcasting (more important in Australia than elsewhere) -- and it exists as an enormous spectrum gap from 222MHz up to 526MHz. This was the obvious region to open up for digital TV, and this could have been done without needing to destroy analog channels until they are totally obsolete. I've never managed to get an answer (that I trust) as to why these channels were left vacant, The authorities opened up the high end of the UHF band for 'so-called business and foreign language' broadcasting at one time, which meant that a set-top box was needed, because it was off the range of international TV tuners. Yet this on-tuner range from 12 to 27 lies vacant. Has anyone ever heard any sort of a rational explanation? I've been asking these questions at spectrum conferences for years, but never had a convincing reply. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 Glen forwards: From kim.holburn at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 09:58:44 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:58:44 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2007/Jan/21, at 11:35 PM, Stewart Fist wrote: > Apart from the available TV and radio broadcasting channels, and a few > narrow bands like cellphones, air traffic control and taxi > despatch, most of > the rest of the spectrum lies unused for most of the time. > > We supposedly use the international spectrum allocation for television > transmission, yet Australia has never used Channels 12 to 27 in the > UHF > band. > > Yet this is the best part of the UHF band for distance broadcasting > (more > important in Australia than elsewhere) -- and it exists as an enormous > spectrum gap from 222MHz up to 526MHz. This was the obvious region > to open > up for digital TV, and this could have been done without needing to > destroy > analog channels until they are totally obsolete. > > I've never managed to get an answer (that I trust) as to why these > channels > were left vacant, The authorities opened up the high end of the > UHF band > for 'so-called business and foreign language' broadcasting at one > time, > which meant that a set-top box was needed, because it was off the > range of > international TV tuners. Yet this on-tuner range from 12 to 27 > lies vacant. > > Has anyone ever heard any sort of a rational explanation? I believe the simple economic answer is that more TV stations would dilute the advertising dollar and the stations wouldn't be viable. It has always seemed to me to be a monopolist's argument (tri- opolists? quintopolists?). That's the supposed answer to why we only have 5 channels not why we don't use the unallocated channels for something else. > I've been asking these questions at spectrum conferences for years, > but > never had a convincing reply. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 22 10:00:58 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:00:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture In-Reply-To: <08DCA634-517A-443A-90B2-F811D54C9A3D@holburn.net> References: <08DCA634-517A-443A-90B2-F811D54C9A3D@holburn.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070122095344.034fa910@wheresmymailserver.com> I still have my Grandmothers Two Piece Toaster. It doesn't pop up or turn off like modern toasters, but it still works and we often resort to it when the modern replaced every year or so toaster dies. Strangely enough we have the same issue with the electric jug. The Ceramic one with the curly heating element you replace for $2 every 10 years has long survived a dozen modern kettles. I think it's faster too. TV's are a problem, although most are at the end of their life presently and have had lives longer than 8 years. It's LCD Panels and CRT Computer Monitors that are causing grief. I see around 200 every council clean up and their numbers are increasing. Many actually work fine. I've had a habit of collecting the 17"+ ones and testing them, if they work I pick the best ones and replace all my dying ones. I haven't had to buy a monitor in about 10 years. Average life of a CRT left on 24x7 is around 3-5 years. The more modern ones with energy saver etc seem to survive about 3 years before they develop a fault more costly to repair than replace. No, I'm all for long term use items. The problem is manufacturers want to release a half baked item that will tease you into future upgrades. Upgrades keep customers coming back and spending money, hence increasing profits. Why make and sell something that does everything and lasts for years, when you can sell something that kinda does most things, can be upgraded and replaced for a cheap price and give you a tad more to want the next upgrade? I'm a bit tired of it to be honest. I also wish manufacturers of food products would wake up and realise that many a larger family requires larger product quantities. 2 litre bottles of juice last a day around here. A 5 litre is the way to go. However no one does this - not affordable. (2 litres costs $1.89 at ALDI) I guess the problem is with people being so mobile today and the training society has had in "Honey can you pick up a loaf of bread and a bottle of milk on your way home" attitude, we now live in a society of long hour supermarkets where you can drop in any day of the week so why bulk buy and stock when you can drive and buy a handful? At 07:15 AM 22/01/2007, Kim Holburn wrote: >Very interesting article about designing for sustainable use. I have >said before on link that one answer to the land-fill problem is to >put a disposal tax on things that need disposing. It seems it's >already happening and will increase. > >Designing things - appliances that last - needs a different economic >approach - along the lines of a service rather than a product. > > From issue 2585 of New Scientist magazine, 04 January 2007, page 31-35 >Better by design: battling the throwaway culture (requires >subscription to read on-line) >http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19325851.000- >better-by-design-battling-the-throwaway-culture.html > >>Americans use and throw away 2.5 million plastic bottles an hour. >>The British produce enough garbage to fill the Albert Hall every 2 >>hours. According to the authors of Natural Capitalism, Paul Hawken, From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 22 10:14:44 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:14:44 +1100 Subject: [LINK] $100 laptop could sell to public In-Reply-To: <200701202125.l0KLPnLT015307@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: In reply to Richard, Stephen writes: >> The OLPC is driven by fine sentiments and laudable enthusiasm. >> So what is the sin in asking these questions? > If that were all, then, great ... it's comments like in your last post that > I must say get me down regarding a philanthropic education initiative. >> After so many years of fighting for education resources, in every way >> I can, it's a difficult habit to break. By all means, whinge-on my friend, >> but please just logically support your arguments, and i will also. Fair? But don't assume you are the only one who has been fighting for education resources, Stephen. Or that people can't disagree with you without being irrational nay-sayers. I ran the National Industry and Education Training faculty (called Open Program) of the Australian Film, Radio and TV School for four years (in its foundation days). And I spent a lot of that time touring Australia looking at electronic video, A/V and film resources in universities and schools, and how they were being used. Most purchases were too costly, too elaborate, too delicate, and too technical for their applications, because the decisions to buy were in the hands of technical types, rather than the educators. I also spent more than 20 years as a part-time (and honorary) consultant to the old UNESCO's Development of Communications Division, then later to the South Pacific Form. They sent me to over a dozen countries in Asia and the Pacific Islands to either run training programs or to determine technical needs. For instance, I was part of a three-man team that went into pre-Army-controlled Burma, and preparing a report on the technical needs of the Burmese Government Film Unit (at a time when video was first coming in). We also had to report as to how it should build its film and video distribution network to schools and villages in the whole country. They used bullock-cart trains at that time to transport 35 mm projectors and portable generators to the more remote parts. I also wrote a report on the conversion of the Burmese TV system from a hybrid (Japanese gifted and inspire) NTSC-based 525-line but 50Hz and 250volt transmission system, to standard PAL -- and we then had to prepare the basic equipment list for their new studio/transmitter. On the spot experience was essential: ? We needed to take into account that power (and therefore air-conditioning) was totally unreliable in Rangoon. ? We also had to be aware that backup generators were inevitably requisitioned by the Army. And there were thousands of other problems like: ? Most studio microphones won't survive in the tropics (only dynamic mikes would last more than a year). ? Lenses got covered (internally) with fungus in this humidity. ? The Burmese didn't have foreign-exchange priorities that allowed lenses to be sent overseas for refurbishing (it had to be done in-house), etc. etc. and that meant training someone in lens disassemly. ? Over half the transport vehicles for the TV station and film unit were out of action for most of the time because they didn't have the foreign-exchange sums needed for replacement parts. ? The nation's film archives (Independence Day footage, etc) was stored in a tin-sided shack in the jungle behind the film-unit. Air-conditioning and temperature control consisted of sliding open a sheet of galvanised iron when the room became too hot. --- etc. etc. etc. So my observations about the enormous amount of wasted money through over-engineering in education and communications, both in Australia and in Third World countries, isn't the product of either ignorance or malice. It comes from years of experience. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From ivan at itrundle.com Mon Jan 22 10:18:13 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:18:13 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070121215726.6A2659939@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> <20070121215726.6A2659939@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I'll be really picky here and focus on just a few points: On 21/01/2007, at 4:13 PM, Tom Worthington wrote: > At 04:40 PM 1/8/2007, I wrote: >> Recommended: >> >>> Seventh Canberra WSG meeting ... 18 January ... > > This was an excellent meeting, as is usual for the Web Standard > Group. These are some notes taken during the presentations: > >>> First speaker: Alexi Paschalidis, Oxide Interactive Topic 1: Navy >>> web site redevelopment ... > A feature of the Navy site redevelopment is semantic consistency. > They are using Semantic XHTML with structural consistency; for > example a second level heading

always has a first level > heading above it

. Why is this semantic? Numerically ordered, perhaps, but not at all semantic in language. I can think of many, many publications that have pages with subheadings, minor headings, or otherwise which don't have this 'level of consistency'. Indeed, in most instances, paper- based articles or papers or journals would reverse this into

-

-

, or variations on a theme. I'd like to see one reference article that states that the first heading is always going to be bigger/more important/whatever than the next heading. And the poor website managers would have to follow suit, contradicting those who believe that numerically-ordered heading tags are mandatory. Until they started mucking about with CSS and made

smaller than

in display, which of course turns the whole smenatic argument upside down. One can't always assume that headings are either logically ordered, or semantically ordered by importance. > > > A little AI on the site's feedback form had allowed 80% of queries > to be answered automatically. I've found sites that claim to use 'a little AI' to 'answer questions', and I rarely get an actual answer to my question. Simply automating the answers does not therefore mean that visitors are either better informed, or that their query is resolved. > > Alexi emphasized the need to educate the customers about the > benefits of using standards on web sites and the need to be > vigilant about the danger of graphic designers being brought in to > design web sites. This and the frustration with senior executives > wanting to make quick changes are problems familiar to IT > developers. Yes, the last thing that we need is for designers to design - far too dangerous. Or to have senior executives having any control - worse still. Best leave it to the 'IT developers', who will one day become developed enough to better understand their true role in information architecture, services, marketing and communications. iT -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 22 10:18:52 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:18:52 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ii197$26vvf4@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> At 09:58 AM 22/01/2007, Kim Holburn wrote: >I believe the simple economic answer is that more TV stations would >dilute the advertising dollar and the stations wouldn't be viable. >It has always seemed to me to be a monopolist's argument (tri- >opolists? quintopolists?). That's the supposed answer to why we >only have 5 channels not why we don't use the unallocated channels >for something else I know that is what 'they' say. But coming from a small town in central Indiana with a population of 55k when all the uni students were in residence (about 8000 extra) where we had three TV stations that carried local news, local advertising, carried the national network programs in the evening, were in access distance of 2 other stations from the capital city as well, all free to air, I think that argument is a bunch of bunk. And that was withOUT a public broadcasting station similar to ABC. It's called greed and control by Packer9/Stokes7/Ch10. We have 3 commercial stations for the entire country here, not 5. And the hundreds-of-channels cable systems have also put pay to the argument there. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 22 11:00:07 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (rick) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:00:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture In-Reply-To: <08DCA634-517A-443A-90B2-F811D54C9A3D@holburn.net> References: <08DCA634-517A-443A-90B2-F811D54C9A3D@holburn.net> Message-ID: <45B3FE87.5070700@praxis.com.au> Kim Holburn wrote: > http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19325851.000-better-by-design-battling-the-throwaway-culture.html > > >> Americans use and throw away 2.5 million plastic bottles an hour. It is hard to imagine that many bottles: 10,957,500,000 per year. And that is just the USA. And to think that prior to plastic, all bottles were glass and ceramic, and were practically 100% reused. My last use of reuseable glass milk bottles was here in Sydney in the early 1980's. At that time, a few 600 mL bottles of milk could be found on the bottle shelf of some dairy fridges. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Law-abiding citizens value privacy. Terrorists require invisibility. The two are not the same, and they should not be confused. -- Richard Perle From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 22 11:10:51 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:10:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: EMF and health In-Reply-To: <200701191255.l0JCtXTR023902@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Just for general information: November 20 2006 ? According to today's London Times, Sir William Stewart believes that the evidence that microwave radiation can have potentially harmful effects has become more persuasive over the past five years. Stewart, who was the the chief science advisor to the U.K government from 1990 to 1995, is the head of the U.K.'s Health Protection Agency ? which absorbed the NRPB (National Radiation Protection Board) last year. He chaired the panel which wrote the influential report Mobile Phones and Health in 2000. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 22 11:56:23 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:56:23 +0900 Subject: [LINK] Re: EMF and health In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070122095623.r49ixj4pa2lsogws@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Quoting Stewart Fist : > Just for general information: > November 20 2006 > > According to today's London Times, Sir William Stewart believes that the > evidence that microwave radiation can have potentially harmful effects has > become more persuasive over the past five years. I don't suppose the report gets into minor details such as dosage? I can't find the Times article, only some letters to the editor that seem to refer to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Mon Jan 22 12:58:34 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:58:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Richard Newton passed away Message-ID: <5ii197$27207k@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> May have some interest to linkers who may have known him: Death of Richard Newton Richard Newton, professor and dean of the College of Engineering at the University of California, Berkeley, a pioneer in electronic design automation and integrated circuit design, and a visionary leader in the technology industry, has died at the age of 55 after a short illness. Born in Melbourne and educated at the University of Melbourne, Richard was recruited to Berkeley in 1975. His involvement with Australia continued in his role as a founding member of NICTA's Scientific Advisory Group. Our sympathy to his family and colleagues at the loss of such a great man. www.coe.berkeley.edu/newsroom/newton Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 22 14:07:57 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:07:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture In-Reply-To: <200701220101.l0M11eWm017368@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Howard writes: > > I have commented on this forum before about the lack of electronic waste > recycling facilities outside of the cap. cities. I was part of a group > that was studying the economic viability of providing such a service, to > be promoted and subsidised by local councils as part of their waste > management responsibilities because it is not economically viable as a > private operation, but none were interested. They all say, "We're > looking into it", but are doing nothing about it. Unfortunately one of > the biggest expenses in putting together such an operation is the labour > costs and the associated expenses, esp. OH&S. With the high cost of labor these days, and the low cost of products, I doubt that it will ever be commercially viable, on the standard economic basis. A report a few years ago in the USA showed that just the pickup cost of separated (recycled) garbage cost more than the amount that could be recovered, from everything but aluminium cans ("solidified electricity"). The recycling option for electronics, I believe, must become part of a much wider and comprehensive plan which involves the use of the unemployed and the disabled. It must be seen as a productive form of welfare assistance, and judged on these economics, not those of the business community. Of course, surcharges and high dumping costs would also help, but not really solve the problem in times of such affluence. I'm doing my bit by keeping old iMac's alive, but I'm almost down to my last. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From brd at iimetro.com.au Mon Jan 22 14:43:43 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:43:43 +0900 Subject: [LINK] Victorians help mafia steal cash Message-ID: <20070122124343.3qzalludk7gkoc4g@webmail.iimetro.com.au> further to a link discussion on this subject a few weeks ago Victorians help mafia steal cash Mark Russell January 21, 2007 The Age http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/victorians-help-mafia-steal-cash/200 7/01/20/1169096027898.html POLICE are alarmed at the increasing number of Victorians being recruited b y the Russian mafia to help it launder millions of dollars stolen from bank accou nts on the internet. The head of the state's police computer crime squad, Detective Senior Serge ant Mick Nolan, told The Sunday Age the use of mules had become vital for crime gangs involved in "phishing". Phishing involves people being tricked into supplying their personal bank account details by answering fake bank and building society emails. The sca ms are believed to be robbing Australians of up to $2 million a month. Mules are the middle men and women whose accounts are used for the initial deposit of stolen money before it is transferred into a Russian account. "What's becoming a real issue now is the proliferation of mule recruitment, " Detective Nolan said. "It's straight-out money laundering." Another squad member, Acting Detective Senior Sergeant Greg Sevior, said: "They'll use any method they can to try and find prospective employees. The reality of it is, if you're offered a job that's going to pay you $1500 a w eek or perhaps more and all you're required to do is move money from one place to another once or twice a week, you need to be asking yourself some questions as to the legality of it." The Russian mafia and Asian crime gangs recruit mules by sending emails to targets who have applied for jobs online. They also list jobs with online employment sites. The emails claim to be from a company manager based in Europe or Asia who n eeds a representative in Australia. One mule recruitment email states: "Our contractors are doing different wor k for Australian companies but have problems with getting the money, because our sponsors agreed to pay only with the in-country bank wire transfers. "So we need a person, 18-plus, authorised to work in Australia, who will re ceive the payments from our sponsors by wire transfers and transfer to our compan y with Western Union cash transfer, for example. We agree to pay you 10 per c ent for each transfer plus all the fees connected with the transfers." Mules are often asked to open a bank account into which the gangs deposit t he proceeds of phishing scams. A Federal Police spokeswoman said there was evidence that over the past few months both European crime syndicates and local criminals were increasingly involved in mule recruiting. She said a joint banking finance sector investigation team had been set up within the Australian High Tech Crime Centre to trace the stolen money give n to mules before it was transferred overseas. "One of the problems that the team faces is that it's not easily determined which city or state is predominantly responsible for mule recruiting in Australia as all the states are reporting it," the AFP spokeswoman said. She said the Federal Police did not have statistics on the total number of mules who had been identified or how many had been arrested. Queensland police, according to the nation's computer security agency Austr alian Computer Emergency Response Team (AusCERT), have been running an undercover operation in which officers act as mules to target the online criminal gang s. Victoria Police would not comment on whether it was conducting similar operations. Russians are coming How the Russian mafia recruits: ?Emails are sent offering jobs for "responsible, hard-working and motivat ed" applicants, and bogus job offers posted on employment websites; ?"Mules" who reply are asked to set up an account with a bank where crime gangs have already hacked into accounts; ?The gangs transfer money (usually under $10,000 to avoid suspicion) to t he mule's account; ?The mule is then asked to withdraw the money, minus their percentage, an d wire to an overseas location. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 22 17:05:24 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:05:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Victorians help mafia steal cash In-Reply-To: <20070122124343.3qzalludk7gkoc4g@webmail.iimetro.com.au> References: <20070122124343.3qzalludk7gkoc4g@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii197$275326@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> At 02:43 PM 22/01/2007, brd at iimetro.com.au wrote: >She said the Federal Police did not have statistics on the total number of >mules >who had been identified or how many had been arrested. And the reason is because they did NOT want to KNOW! I tried several times to report it as the links back to the people sending the phishing email was easily discernable. They seemed to think because they had applied a label to the problem they had addressed it. This was last year. >Queensland police, according to the nation's computer security agency Austr >alian >Computer Emergency Response Team (AusCERT), have been running an undercover >operation in which officers act as mules to target the online criminal gang >s. Thank goodness someone is acting on this. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From grove at zeta.org.au Mon Jan 22 17:56:14 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:56:14 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture In-Reply-To: <45B43D57.7040704@lannet.com.au> References: <45B43D57.7040704@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: > It's also something that Linux users are good at too. But just think of the > new hardware demands after Jan 30 - thank you Microsoft. Who else thinks that certain peripheral devices that require some sort of driver should by law be forced to release the driver API to the public so that the hardware can be run on future technology? For example, I have 3 Emagic MIDI interfaces, that when combined make a 24 Port interface, that is incredibly important to my music production environment. Emagic was bought out by Apple a few years ago now and their products were subsumed and the hardware products are no longer produced. However, the MIDI interfaces are still usable, except on the PC, where the driver support dropped off the map somewhere at Win2000 and so a perfectly good piece of hardware with a definite core functionality is made artificially unusable in that environment. Now the MacOS has moved to Intel, there are credible fears that Apple could kill driver support for the hardware, although there's nothing stopping the hardware from being supported natively. If they choose to kill off the driver support, then me and about 20,000 others are hosed - we won't have a quality product to drive our synths with. There should be a large warning label on the front of any product that relies on computer support for it's drivers, to mention that the provisioning of such a product is null and void if the OS support exceeds the driver version supplied. So, I believe in the interests of consumer choice and so on, that any product of whatever type should by default, have the driver sources released to the Public Domain at the point in time that there is a cessation of releases of driver updates for various OS. It would cost the hardware vendor nothing and reassure customers and users that their investment is not wasted in the future and also becomes a means to stop the industrial waste cycle where perfectly usable products are scrapped for no other reason than a bit of firmware is locked up by a company for no apparent reason other than planned obsolescence. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From kim.holburn at gmail.com Mon Jan 22 18:50:07 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:50:07 +0100 Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22983BA8-52A2-41FC-A7CE-4CCCF96EEB9E@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/22, at 4:07 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > > > Howard writes: >> >> I have commented on this forum before about the lack of electronic >> waste >> recycling facilities outside of the cap. cities. I was part of a >> group >> that was studying the economic viability of providing such a >> service, to >> be promoted and subsidised by local councils as part of their waste >> management responsibilities because it is not economically viable >> as a >> private operation, but none were interested. They all say, "We're >> looking into it", but are doing nothing about it. Unfortunately >> one of >> the biggest expenses in putting together such an operation is the >> labour >> costs and the associated expenses, esp. OH&S. > > With the high cost of labor these days, and the low cost of > products, I > doubt that it will ever be commercially viable, on the standard > economic > basis. Surely we could have some sort of service model where I "rent?" a current computer maybe even with software and it is upgraded every so often. (Isn't that the path Microsoft wants us all to go down anyway?;-) If we can push the upgrade and disposal costs to the provider then it's in their interests to bring those costs down. > A report a few years ago in the USA showed that just the pickup > cost of > separated (recycled) garbage cost more than the amount that could be > recovered, from everything but aluminium cans ("solidified > electricity"). > > The recycling option for electronics, I believe, must become part > of a much > wider and comprehensive plan which involves the use of the > unemployed and > the disabled. It must be seen as a productive form of welfare > assistance, > and judged on these economics, not those of the business community. > > Of course, surcharges and high dumping costs would also help, but > not really > solve the problem in times of such affluence. I'm doing my bit by > keeping > old iMac's alive, but I'm almost down to my last. Australia is affluent in landfill sites but not all countries are. Japan is having to seriously look at limiting waste. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Mon Jan 22 20:40:40 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:40:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] throw-away culture In-Reply-To: <45B476DD.9000106@lannet.com.au> References: <22983BA8-52A2-41FC-A7CE-4CCCF96EEB9E@gmail.com> <45B476DD.9000106@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45B48698.4080607@ozemail.com.au> From Kim: > >> Japan is having to seriously look at limiting waste. > > > This is the solution and that will require limits on required > packaging standards for foodstuffs as well as unnecessary packaging > for non-foodstuffs, especially retail display focussed packaging, and > the IT industry is one of the worse in that regard. Indeed ... I am frequently flummoxed that Ethernet cables need at least two layers of display packaging. We're talking about a quite dull and strictly functional object here; yet in some outlets I find the outer bubble-wrap plus a second layer of plastic, not counting the cardboard in the plastic, just in case my brain went absent and I forgot that I was buying an Ethernet cable! RC From stephen at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 23 05:20:09 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:20:09 GMT Subject: [LINK] psiphon Message-ID: <20070122182009.289A715913@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Hi all, Appears to be a major IT initiative: psiphon http://psiphon.civisec.org/ http://psiphon.civisec.org/faq1.html 'psiphon is a censorship circumvention solution that allows users to access blocked sites in countries where the Internet is censored.' psiphon is funded by: Open Society Institute (Soros Foundation). Centre for Innovation Law & Policy, Faculty of Law, University of Toronto Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon -- ps, available six weeks, Aussie kids have used it to bypass school filters :-) Cheers all .. Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Mon Jan 22 12:13:27 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:13:27 +1100 Subject: Straw Poll was Re: [LINK] Straw Pole of Good Bad and ugly online government services In-Reply-To: <3A135C8E-8B7F-43CD-8EA7-42FCE709FB40@itrundle.com> References: <45AC5C5A.5000500@ramin.com.au> <66E6CCBD-D84A-4593-AA7F-EDA2B4679A74@itrundle.com> <45AFF87B.8010902@ramin.com.au> <3A135C8E-8B7F-43CD-8EA7-42FCE709FB40@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <20070122214048.5E4DA2771E@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> At 10:28 AM 1/19/2007, Ivan Trundle wrote: >>>Still trying to visualise a straw pole... (How long is it? Can it >>>be used in place of tomato steaks?) ... Mushrooms actually: "Plant mushroom technology with straw pole", Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region Agriculture department, 2006-1-23 ;-) "... The main raw materials which cultivate the mushroom are straw poles of crops The by product of processing of farm products (such as straw , wheatgrass , maize pole , rape pole ), excrement and urine of the weeds , poultry , domestic animal ,etc.. In addition , add a certain amount of mineral element. ..." More seriously, this is the sort of information provided by government online services which can help developing nations. Low cost computer access could then be used to help improve food production. Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Tue Jan 23 09:22:47 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:22:47 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security Message-ID: At 6:50 +1100 14/1/07, Alan L Tyree wrote: >I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC on the >review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that Industry has >been pushing for is to make consumers liable for losses caused by >computers infected with malware. >The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill >equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. ... [Just as I'm nearing finalisation of a draft paper on the topic - I'll post an RFC shortly - up bobs this useful article. Comments interspersed] Banks look at liability for internet con losses The Sydney Morning Herald, Business Section Date: January 23 2007 Marc Moncrief http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2007/01/22/1169330827286.html REPORTS claiming banks had lobbied to make customers liable for money lost to internet fraud have been denied by both bankers and their regulator. The Australian Bankers' Association said neither it nor any of its members had yet made submissions to a review of the existing code of conduct for the electronic funds transfer system of payment announced earlier this month by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. ['Plausible deniability' usually hinges on setting up a straw man accusation and then denying the straw man. 'We haven't made any such submission' = 'we've lobbied for it, we've even made the mistake of mentioning it in writing a couple of times, but we've not [yet] made a 'submission' to that effect, at least not to ASIC'] The code applies to transactions made via EFTPOS, ATM and internet and telephone banking. At present, banks voluntarily reimburse customers for money lost while banking online. The review will determine whether the current system should remain unchanged or if customers ought to bear some of the responsibility for keeping their personal computers secure. [Isn't pseudo-regulation gloriously amenable? While it suits your purposes as a shield, you call it 'self-regulation', and as soon as you want to get rid of it, you refer to it as 'voluntary'. Expect next: 'uneconomic', 'red tape', 'impost on small business', 'subsidy' and 'disincentive to consumer self-responsibility'] "There's going to be a lot of discussion about who is responsible for internet fraud," said the Australian Consumers Association's finance spokesman, Nick Coates. "I suspect there will be a vigorous argument presented to consumers that if you don't update your virus software or don't have the latest firewall in place that you have not fulfilled your duties under the EFT code." A spokesman for the Australian Bankers' Association said neither the peak body nor any of its members nor any of its members' lawyers had been "specifically lobbying ASIC to have some changes made". ['have not been specifically lobbying' = 'have been generally lobbying'] ASIC's executive director of consumer protection, Greg Tanzer, said the regulator had consulted industry, and liability for internet fraud losses had been discussed as a topic of review, but the discussions had not "extended to lobbying" and no individual banks had been involved. [oh better still: if the lobbying is conducted at the invitation of the regulator, then it's not 'lobbying' but 'discussion'] Mr Tanzer said it might be reasonable to require users to keep up-to-date virus protection on their computers, or to provide them with some incentive to do so, particularly if they have been defrauded more than once without protecting themselves. However, he said, there were also strong arguments against putting the responsibility on consumers to keep often complex technology in a particular state. "It's important to have a debate about it but the debate should be in the context of: 'This is the issue that has been raised'. It's not a question of just shoving liability for fraud, including credit card fraud or anything else, on to consumers." AACA's Mr Coates applauded the review but said consumer advocates were preparing for a stoush with some companies that might try to force a heavier burden on to their customers than was reasonable. [AACA? A mis-print? Or has ACA - which now thinks and acts like a business and prefers to project the Choice branding - changed its association-name?] "The EFT code is old," Mr Coates said. "It's ageing and it's struggling to stay up with the developments in modern banking technology. There's no question it needs upgrading." -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Tue Jan 23 09:35:38 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:35:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security Message-ID: [Karen Dearne's piece in Oz IT this morning includes this quote: "It is generally that insecurity of end-user equipment is a major source of vulnerability to malicious software, and a properly secured PC is one of the best defences available," [ASIC's discussion paper] says. [Can anyone envision this chimera 'a properly secured PC'?] [Ah yes, silly me - a diskless device with no wired connection to any network, locked in a Faraday cage to preclude any form of unwired connection. I suspect there may be a sci-fi story somewhere that involves a device of that nature slowly going mad from the loneliness of it all] Users won't foot fraud bill: ASIC Karen Dearne The Australian IT Section JANUARY 23, 2007 http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21100671%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html MEDIA reports that banks have lobbied the Australian Securities and Investment Commission to pass on online fraud costs to consumers are incorrect, ASIC and the Australian Banker's Association say. The idea that online account holders should bear some responsibility for losses caused by security breaches to their home PCs is raised in a discussion paper ahead of a review of the Electronic Funds Transfer industry code of conduct. There is no suggestion that banks are seeking to offload liability for internet banking fraud, estimated to cost about $25 million a year, nor has there been any lobbying on the matter, ABA chief executive David Bell said. ASIC runs the voluntary code of practice, which provides consumer protection in autoteller and eftpos payments as well as phone and online transactions. The code was last reviewed in 2001 and there have been substantial changes in the payments market - particularly online, ASIC consumer protection executive director Greg Tanzer said. "We've been in discussions with industry organisations over the review, and the discussion paper sets out what we see as the key issues," Mr Tanzer said. "There have been suggestions that we might have been subject to fairly active lobbying in a particular direction, but that's not the case." Internet banking has sparked a range of new concerns, including liability if a customer has keyed in a wrong account number, resulting in an incorrect payment or if a customer has accidentally left their card in an autoteller, and it is then used by someone to withdraw money. At the moment, the code protects consumers in these circumstances, and the debate is about "whether there is a point at which the consumer should bear more responsibility" than at present, he said. The paper notes that a fraudulent transaction profits the criminal, leaving the loss to be borne by innocent parties - the financial institution, the customer and payment third parties. "It is generally that insecurity of end-user equipment is a major source of vulnerability to malicious software, and a properly secured PC is one of the best defences available," it says. "Nonetheless, research suggests that many online users do not adequately protect their equipment. Given this, some propose that users could be made liable for losses from malicious code compromises." But the paper notes that a shifting of liability "may reduce the incentives" for financial providers to invest in online security. In any case, it says, most consumers could not adequately secure their PCs against complex phishing and Trojan attacks on account information. -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From cas at taz.net.au Tue Jan 23 10:27:29 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:27:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070122232729.GO26390@taz.net.au> On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 09:35:38AM +1100, Roger Clarke wrote: > [Karen Dearne's piece in Oz IT this morning includes this quote: > "It is generally that insecurity of end-user equipment is a major > source of vulnerability to malicious software, and a properly secured > PC is one of the best defences available," [ASIC's discussion paper] > says. > > [Can anyone envision this chimera 'a properly secured PC'?] i can. to start with, it would be running linux (or freebsd or even mac osx but linux is less hassle and there are a number of freely available live-CD linux distros to choose from) rather than windows. secondly, it would have java, flash, and other executable web content disabled. even something as simple as a bootable linux CD or USB flash-drive or dual-boot partition (running, say, Ubuntu) for internet banking and other security-sensitive sites would protect most users....as long as they developed the habit of NEVER using windows for anything security-sensitive. they could play games, browse the web, whatever else they need in windows, but use ONLY linux for logging in to their bank. most people don't have the skill or the knowledge to even begin to secure a windows box....and of the few that do, even they can't absolutely secure it because it is fundamentally insecure (the best they can do is patch up all of the currently known holes and hope they hear about any future holes before they get compromised). a linux box, OTOH, is reasonably secure out-of-the-box...you have to actually work hard at misconfiguring it to undermine its security. and an expert CAN absolutely secure it. craig ps: another part of the problem has nothing to do with technological security, it has to do with user stupidity and ignorance - e.g. clicking on links in email to visit their "banking" site and typing in their login & password. even a secure OS won't protect users from their own actions. -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 23 10:39:33 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:39:33 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: EMF and health In-Reply-To: <200701222226.l0MMQ0Xu016110@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: >From Dr Louis Slessin of Microwave News (in the interests of disclosure, he's a old friend of mine) An international team of researchers has found new evidence that long-term use of a mobile phone may lead to the development of a brain tumor on the side of the head the phone is used. In a study which will appear in an upcoming issue of the International Journal of Cancer, epidemiologists from five European countries report a nearly 40% increase in gliomas, a type of brain tumor, among those who had used a cell phone for ten or more years. The increase is statistically significant. In addition, there was a trend showing that the brain tumor risk increased with years of use. The new paper is posted on the journal's Web site. This is the second type of tumor that has been linked to long-term cell phone use. In 2004, the Swedish Interphone group reported a doubling of acoustic neuromas among people who had used a mobile phone for ten years or more. The new study, part of the 13-country Interphone project, is based on the data collected in Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden and the U.K. Last year, the German Interphone team also reported an increase in gliomas following more than ten years of mobile phone use. (See our report: "Is There a Ten-Year Latency for Cell Phone Tumor Development?") The new five-country study included 1,521 glioma cases and 3,301 controls. There were 143 cases with ten or more years of mobile phone use. The earlier German study had only 12 cases who had used a cell phone for at least ten years. Another research group, led by Lennart Hardell of ?rebro University and Kjell Hansson Mild of the National Institute, both in Sweden, have also found an increased risk of brain tumors and acoustic neuromas following ten years of cell phone use. "The [new] study shows that the issue is not settled and that more data, preferably prospective data, are needed," Anders Ahlbom of the Kaolinska Institute in Stockholm told Microwave News. Anssi Auvinen of the Radiation and Nuclear Safety Authority (STUK) in Helsinki, a member of the Finnish Interphone study team offered a similar conclusion. "We need more research on long-term use," he stated in a press release issued today. In fact, on Saturday, the London Times revealed that Lawrie Challis, the head of the U.K. research effort on mobile phones and health, known as MTHR, is in the final stages of negotiations for a study of 200,000 mobile phone users who will be monitored for cancer, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases. The story appeared on the front page of the January 20th Times. "We know from smoking and from the bomb falling in Hiroshima that nothing was seen for ten years," Challis told the BBC. Ahlbom said that the planned study, disclosed by Challis, will be a joint effort of an international consortium consisting, at present, of epidemiologists from Denmark, Finland and Sweden, as well as the U.K. The London Times ran a companion article under the headline: "Could These Be the Cigarettes of the 21st Century? ... 'Absolutely'." And in an editorial, the Times applauded the decision to carry out the new long-term study: "The precautionary principle still applies here. Manufacturers should welcome the new study." At this writing, the cell phone industry had yet to issue any responses to these new developments. But Sheila Johnston, a consultant based in London with close ties to the mobile phone industry, circulated an e-mail this morning calling Challis's announcement a "very sad outcome." ================== My Comments: There are more than two questions here. The first is whether there is an increase in gliomas in cell-phone users, and the answer appears to be statistically Yes. The second is : Does that mean that the cellphones caused the gliomas? The implication here is that they did, because of the claim that the cancers occurred on the side of the head that the cellphone was being used, and also that it was statistically related to years of use. This is the bit I would be wary about, and it illustrates the need for very strict blind test procedures. If people suspect that their brain cancer has been caused by cellphone use, then they will tend to report that they used their phone on this side of the head -- that's human nature -- especially if the medical specialists are offering them no other rational explanation as to why they have a brain tumour, and others don't. They look for a reason, and often invent one in the process. Even those without cancer are totally unreliable witnesses as to the side they use their phone on. People almost always report that they use cellphones on the side opposite to their writing hand (presumably so they can take notes). But if you record cellphone head-side-use through street observations, it is about 50:50 ... and yet we know that 7 out of 8 people are right handed. So, in fact, for much of the time there is little correlation between handedness and side-of-head exposure. And without this side-of-the-head relationship with glioma, then the statistical relationship loses a lot of its cause-effect order. It could be that gliomas are caused by something else which is in the environment of people who use cellphones a lot. The early adoption (10 or more years) of the group studied seems to suggest that the group may have high incidence of say, specialist occupations - eg tradesmen, like plumbers, who were early adopters of cellphones; telephone linesmen (who I discovered were using their mobiles for up to 5 hours a day as a link to the exchange while baling out wires). Or it could be that gliomas are a disease of the affluent consumer. The second major group to take up cellphones were business executives. This is obviously an important study -- and a precautionary cry -- but I'll remain (uncomfortably) on the fence for a while longer. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 23 10:44:31 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:44:31 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: EMF and health In-Reply-To: <200701222226.l0MMQ0Xu016110@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to include the actual Abstract Mobile phone use and risk of glioma in 5 North European countries. Int J Cancer. Jan 17; 2007 [Epub ahead of print] Lahkola A, Auvinen A, Raitanen J, Schoemaker MJ, Christensen HC, Feychting M, Johansen C, Klaeboe L, Lonn S, Swerdlow AJ, Tynes T, Salminen T Public concern has been expressed about the possible adverse health effects of mobile telephones, mainly related to intracranial tumors. We conducted a population-based case-control study to investigate the relationship between mobile phone use and risk of glioma among 1,522 glioma patients and 3,301 controls. We found no evidence of increased risk of glioma related to regular mobile phone use (odds ratio, OR = 0.78, 95% confidence interval, CI: 0.68, 0.91). No significant association was found across categories with duration of use, years since first use, cumulative number of calls or cumulative hours of use. When the linear trend was examined, the OR for cumulative hours of mobile phone use was 1.006 (1.002, 1.010) per 100 hr, but no such relationship was found for the years of use or the number of calls. We found no increased risks when analogue and digital phones were analyzed separately. For more than 10 years of mobile phone use reported on the side of the head where the tumor was located, an increased OR of borderline statistical significance (OR = 1.39, 95% CI 1.01, 1.92, p trend 0.04) was found, whereas similar use on the opposite side of the head resulted in an OR of 0.98 (95% CI 0.71, 1.37). Although our results overall do not indicate an increased risk of glioma in relation to mobile phone use, the possible risk in the most heavily exposed part of the brain with long-term use needs to be explored further before firm conclusions can be drawn. From eric.scheid at ironclad.net.au Tue Jan 23 10:55:02 2007 From: eric.scheid at ironclad.net.au (Eric Scheid) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:55:02 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1/23/07 9:35 AM, "Roger Clarke" wrote: > Users won't foot fraud bill: ASIC > Karen Dearne > In any case, it says, most consumers could not adequately secure > their PCs against complex phishing and Trojan attacks on account > information. and in any case: phishing does not require a compromised PC, being a social hack, and so a "adequately secured PC" is as relevant as what colour socks they happen to be wearing that day. e. From grove at zeta.org.au Tue Jan 23 11:17:39 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:17:39 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] Google wants to put you on the map Message-ID: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/01/22/1169330820917.html Here's a chance to make a spectacle of yourself in front of the whole world on Australia Day. On Friday, an aircraft hired by Google will be doing a series of low-level swoops over parts of Sydney, photographing the ground and waters below. The three-seater plane, decked out in Google livery, will have special permission to fly at an altitude of 600m. Providing the photographs turn out to be good enough quality, the images will be integrated into Google Maps, the free online mapping service used by millions of people around the world. -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 23 11:49:45 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:49:45 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070122232729.GO26390@taz.net.au> References: <20070122232729.GO26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070123114834.03d27558@wheresmymailserver.com> At 10:27 AM 23/01/2007, you wrote: >most people don't have the skill or the knowledge to even begin to >secure a windows box....and of the few that do, even they can't >absolutely secure it because it is fundamentally insecure (the best they >can do is patch up all of the currently known holes and hope they hear >about any future holes before they get compromised). Oh it's easy to secure a windows box. 1. Place it behind three NATTING Linux boxes. 2. Don't use it for browsing or Internet access. 3. Delete all attachments to email before the user gets them. From link at todd.inoz.com Tue Jan 23 11:47:49 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:47:49 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070123114532.03d277e8@wheresmymailserver.com> At 09:35 AM 23/01/2007, Roger Clarke wrote: >[Karen Dearne's piece in Oz IT this morning includes this quote: >"It is generally that insecurity of end-user equipment is a major source >of vulnerability to malicious software, and a properly secured PC is one >of the best defences available," [ASIC's discussion paper] says. > >[Can anyone envision this chimera 'a properly secured PC'?] > >[Ah yes, silly me - a diskless device with no wired connection to any >network, locked in a Faraday cage to preclude any form of unwired >connection. I suspect there may be a sci-fi story somewhere that involves >a device of that nature slowly going mad from the loneliness of it all] Actually there are SciFi Movies about devices of that nature taking control of the whole of the building and killing off the humans one by one because it was so lonely! It developed it's abilities to communicate outside it's cage by oscillating it's power making an RF connection. No, it wasn't in a Faraday cage so perhaps that was an oversight by the "inventors" of the system and it's enclosure. Or a deliberate mistake - or a plot point. I can't be sure :) From marghanita at ramin.com.au Tue Jan 23 11:51:54 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:51:54 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> Eric Scheid wrote: > On 1/23/07 9:35 AM, "Roger Clarke" wrote: > > >>Users won't foot fraud bill: ASIC >>Karen Dearne > > >>In any case, it says, most consumers could not adequately secure >>their PCs against complex phishing and Trojan attacks on account >>information. > > > and in any case: phishing does not require a compromised PC, being a social > hack, and so a "adequately secured PC" is as relevant as what colour socks > they happen to be wearing that day. .. and then there is this case: > Judge in Hilliard case lambasts Westpac > BANKING practices revealed in the court fight between businessman Steve Vizard and his former bookkeeper, Roy Hilliard, portrayed Westpac as one of the world's laxest banks, a judge said yesterday. m -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From alan at austlii.edu.au Tue Jan 23 11:57:52 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:57:52 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070123115752.f6eb592d.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:22:47 +1100 Roger Clarke wrote: > At 6:50 +1100 14/1/07, Alan L Tyree wrote: > >I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC on > >the review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that > >Industry has been pushing for is to make consumers liable for losses > >caused by computers infected with malware. > >The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill > >equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. ... > > > [Just as I'm nearing finalisation of a draft paper on the topic - > I'll post an RFC shortly - up bobs this useful article. Comments > interspersed] Thanks Roger, although I'm still not sure how this got on Link. I was looking for some guidance from the SLUG list. Oh, well, I need all the help I can get. > > ['Plausible deniability' usually hinges on setting up a straw man > accusation and then denying the straw man. 'We haven't made any such > submission' = 'we've lobbied for it, we've even made the mistake of > mentioning it in writing a couple of times, but we've not [yet] made > a 'submission' to that effect, at least not to ASIC'] Agree. The Telegraph yesterday said that the proposal was part of a submission by a law firm that represents banks. Could be any or all of the large law firms. One thing I have noticed is how little lawyers at these firms understand even the basics of consumer protection policy. They simply consider it as an obstacle to their client which can, and should, be circumvented. A speaker at a recent meeting of the Banking Law Association even railed at the whole idea of consumer protection, even saying "What about freedom of contract?" A perfect 19th century concept for the 21st century, but very indicative of the thinking in the large City firms. > > > "It's important to have a debate about it but the debate should be in > the context of: 'This is the issue that has been raised'. It's not a > question of just shoving liability for fraud, including credit card > fraud or anything else, on to consumers." The hell it isn't. Having chosen to use the immense free resource (consumers' PCs) instead of putting in dedicated equipment, the proposal is definately to shift the ensuing losses onto the consumer. > > "The EFT code is old," Mr Coates said. "It's ageing and it's > struggling to stay up with the developments in modern banking > technology. There's no question it needs upgrading." Not too much, actually. The basic structure of the EFT Code is very good, and its interpretation by the Banking Ombudsman has made it even more so. Part B needs to be expanded to cover all payment mechanisms which are not based on a traditional account, but the allocation of liabilities generally is very fair - assuming, of course, that the recent initiatives don't go through. Alan > > -- > Roger Clarke > http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ > Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 > AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 > mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au > http://www.xamax.com.au/ > > Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National > University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program > University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & > Policy Centre Uni of NSW > _______________________________________________ Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Tue Jan 23 12:01:25 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (Richard Chirgwin) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:01:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Google wants to put you on the map In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B55E65.1050002@ozemail.com.au> The anatomy of public relations ... "If we dressed up invasion of privacy as a publicity stunt, would people like it?" And then, if someone says "hang on, why do I want Google to photograph my backyard from 600m and publish the pics on the Internet", Google has an army of suckers and morons to say stuff like "oh it's only a bit of fun, don't be a spoilsport". So I have a few days to think of something *really appropriate* to stick on my roof ... I need a subtle subversion so that it only gets noticed after the map's published ... thinking caps on ... RC grove at zeta.org.au wrote: > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/01/22/1169330820917.html > > Here's a chance to make a spectacle of yourself in front of the whole > world on Australia Day. > > On Friday, an aircraft hired by Google will be doing a series of > low-level swoops over parts of Sydney, photographing the ground and > waters below. > > The three-seater plane, decked out in Google livery, will have special > permission to fly at an altitude of 600m. > > Providing the photographs turn out to be good enough quality, the > images will be integrated into Google Maps, the free online mapping > service used by millions of people around the world. > > From alan at austlii.edu.au Tue Jan 23 12:24:37 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:24:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:51:54 +1100 Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Eric Scheid wrote: > > On 1/23/07 9:35 AM, "Roger Clarke" > > wrote: > > > > > >>Users won't foot fraud bill: ASIC > >>Karen Dearne > > > > > >>In any case, it says, most consumers could not adequately secure > >>their PCs against complex phishing and Trojan attacks on account > >>information. > > > > > > and in any case: phishing does not require a compromised PC, being > > a social hack, and so a "adequately secured PC" is as relevant as > > what colour socks they happen to be wearing that day. > .. > and then there is this case: > > Judge in Hilliard case lambasts Westpac > > BANKING practices revealed in the court fight between businessman > > Steve Vizard and his former bookkeeper, Roy Hilliard, portrayed > > Westpac as one of the world's laxest banks, a judge said yesterday. > Or this one with the same bank. Banking practice here made the fraud almost inevitable, and then the Victorian Court of Appeal let them get away with it: http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan/fraud-by-design.html > > m > -- > Marghanita da Cruz > http://www.ramin.com.au/ > Telephone: 0414-869202 > Ramin Communications Pty Ltd > ABN: 027-089-713-084 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 23 12:32:21 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:32:21 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Google wants to put you on the map In-Reply-To: <45B55E65.1050002@ozemail.com.au> References: <45B55E65.1050002@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: On 23/01/2007, at 12:01 PM, Richard Chirgwin wrote: > The anatomy of public relations ... > > "If we dressed up invasion of privacy as a publicity stunt, would > people like it?" > > And then, if someone says "hang on, why do I want Google to > photograph my backyard from 600m and publish the pics on the > Internet", Google has an army of suckers and morons to say stuff > like "oh it's only a bit of fun, don't be a spoilsport". > > So I have a few days to think of something *really appropriate* to > stick on my roof ... I need a subtle subversion so that it only > gets noticed after the map's published ... thinking caps on ... Lucky that you've actually got a roof, Richard. Some of us should be so lucky... Google for the story of the Coca-Cola poster that was produced for Australian distribution some years ago (no, I'm not going to provide the link). It was eventually 'discovered' and immediately withdrawn (pardon the double-pun). I gather that the designer got into deep trouble, too. iT From marghanita at ramin.com.au Tue Jan 23 13:00:08 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:00:08 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> Alan L Tyree wrote: > Or this one with the same bank. Banking practice here made the fraud > almost inevitable, and then the Victorian Court of Appeal let them get > away with it: > http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan/fraud-by-design.html ... On the handful of occassions I ring my (not westpac) bank's telephone call centre, the operator insists I have to set a password. When I refuse, they set one for me, saying it will speed up future processing! As I do not use Internet or Telephone banking - I am guessing/hoping that if there is a fraud on my account, the issue will be resolved with a minimum of fuss. Note, I do have some confidence in my bank as they have detected and addressed an Internet Fraud on my credit card. With regard to physing, if a username/password is captured in a phishing scam, don't they also need to fake the IP address? These thre reference may also be of help/interest Banking on six pillars of safety S Krishna Kumar, GM (IT) & CISO, SBI, has rested his security strategy on six pillars of safety that include governance, risk assessment and compliance ANAO Audit Report. No.45 2005?06, Internet. Security in Australian. Government Agencies. and Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From brd at iimetro.com.au Tue Jan 23 13:36:40 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (brd at iimetro.com.au) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:36:40 +0900 Subject: [LINK] Google wants to put you on the map In-Reply-To: References: <45B55E65.1050002@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <20070123113640.8axyymw89fvw4ooo@webmail.iimetro.com.au> Quoting Ivan Trundle : > Google for the story of the Coca-Cola poster that was produced for > Australian distribution some years ago (no, I'm not going to provide > the link). It was eventually 'discovered' and immediately withdrawn > (pardon the double-pun). I gather that the designer got into deep > trouble, too. http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/poster.asp -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using iiMetro WebMail From alan at austlii.edu.au Tue Jan 23 13:43:18 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:43:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:00:08 +1100 Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Alan L Tyree wrote: > > > Or this one with the same bank. Banking practice here made the fraud > > almost inevitable, and then the Victorian Court of Appeal let them > > get away with it: > > http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan/fraud-by-design.html > ... > On the handful of occassions I ring my (not westpac) bank's telephone > call centre, the operator insists I have to set a password. When I > refuse, they set one for me, saying it will speed up future > processing! As I do not use Internet or Telephone banking - I am > guessing/hoping that if there is a fraud on my account, the issue > will be resolved with a minimum of fuss. > > Note, I do have some confidence in my bank as they have detected and > addressed an Internet Fraud on my credit card. > > With regard to physing, if a username/password is captured in a > phishing scam, don't they also > need to fake the IP address? Well, no, I don't think so. I have never heard that the banks do anything other than rely on the login/password scheme. That is one of the things that I am complaining about in my submissions to ASIC. Alan > > These thre reference may also be of help/interest > > Banking on six pillars of safety > S Krishna Kumar, GM (IT) & CISO, SBI, has rested his security strategy > on six pillars of safety that include governance, risk assessment and > compliance > > > ANAO Audit Report. No.45 2005?06, Internet. Security in Australian. > Government Agencies. > > > and > > > Marghanita > -- > Marghanita da Cruz > http://www.ramin.com.au/ > Telephone: 0414-869202 > Ramin Communications Pty Ltd > ABN: 027-089-713-084 > > > > > > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From marghanita at ramin.com.au Tue Jan 23 14:08:07 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:08:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> Alan L Tyree wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:00:08 +1100 > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > > >>Alan L Tyree wrote: >> >> >>>Or this one with the same bank. Banking practice here made the fraud >>>almost inevitable, and then the Victorian Court of Appeal let them >>>get away with it: >>>http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan/fraud-by-design.html >> >>... >>On the handful of occassions I ring my (not westpac) bank's telephone >>call centre, the operator insists I have to set a password. When I >>refuse, they set one for me, saying it will speed up future >>processing! As I do not use Internet or Telephone banking - I am >>guessing/hoping that if there is a fraud on my account, the issue >>will be resolved with a minimum of fuss. >> >>Note, I do have some confidence in my bank as they have detected and >>addressed an Internet Fraud on my credit card. >> >>With regard to physing, if a username/password is captured in a >>phishing scam, don't they also >>need to fake the IP address? > > > Well, no, I don't think so. I have never heard that the banks do > anything other than rely on the login/password scheme. That is one of > the things that I am complaining about in my submissions to ASIC. From a consumer perspective, wouldn't it would be better to leave Banks to decide what they use to authenticate users and the information they log about transactions. This would put the onus on them to prove the source of a fraud and demonstrate due care of their customers funds. Marghanita -- eMarghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 23 14:21:16 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:21:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Google wants to put you on the map In-Reply-To: <45B571DE.1070304@lannet.com.au> References: <45B571DE.1070304@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <227362A7-62BB-4AE4-B158-89E98B18866C@itrundle.com> So what's the story with balloonists and cameras - since privacy was mentioned earlier? iT (and thanks Bernard for the Snopes reference: I'd be more inclined to walk around under the camera with a cardboard hat on, with a suitable message) From alan at austlii.edu.au Tue Jan 23 14:35:42 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:35:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070123143542.3705832f.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:08:07 +1100 Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Alan L Tyree wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:00:08 +1100 > > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > > > > > >>Alan L Tyree wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Or this one with the same bank. Banking practice here made the > >>>fraud almost inevitable, and then the Victorian Court of Appeal > >>>let them get away with it: > >>>http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan/fraud-by-design.html > >> > >>... > >>On the handful of occassions I ring my (not westpac) bank's > >>telephone call centre, the operator insists I have to set a > >>password. When I refuse, they set one for me, saying it will speed > >>up future processing! As I do not use Internet or Telephone banking > >>- I am guessing/hoping that if there is a fraud on my account, the > >>issue will be resolved with a minimum of fuss. > >> > >>Note, I do have some confidence in my bank as they have detected > >>and addressed an Internet Fraud on my credit card. > >> > >>With regard to physing, if a username/password is captured in a > >>phishing scam, don't they also > >>need to fake the IP address? > > > > > > Well, no, I don't think so. I have never heard that the banks do > > anything other than rely on the login/password scheme. That is one > > of the things that I am complaining about in my submissions to ASIC. > > > From a consumer perspective, wouldn't it would be better to leave > Banks to decide what they use to authenticate users and the > information they log about transactions. This would put the onus on > them to prove the source of a fraud and demonstrate due care of their > customers funds. Yep. What I meant was that I am complaining that the banks do nothing but are still trying to throw liability onto the consumers. I agree with you, let the banks do what they want, but also bear the costs of it. The current EFT Code does that, more or less. The proposal before ASIC (Q28 in the Discussion Paper) would change that. > > Marghanita > -- > eMarghanita da Cruz > http://www.ramin.com.au/ > Telephone: 0414-869202 > Ramin Communications Pty Ltd > ABN: 027-089-713-084 > > > > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From cas at taz.net.au Tue Jan 23 15:38:16 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:38:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070123043816.GP26390@taz.net.au> On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:00:08PM +1100, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > With regard to physing, if a username/password is captured in a > phishing scam, don't they also need to fake the IP address? nope. most people don't have a static IP address, they get a dynamically assigned IP whenever they log in to the net. AFAIK, no bank even has an option allowing the user to limit the IP address(es) that they may login from. i wish they did, i'd find it useful - i have my own /24s and only ever login to my bank from home. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From cas at taz.net.au Tue Jan 23 15:45:21 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:45:21 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 02:08:07PM +1100, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > From a consumer perspective, wouldn't it would be better to leave Banks > to decide what they use to authenticate users and the information they > log about transactions. This would put the onus on them to prove the > source of a fraud and demonstrate due care of their customers funds. from a consumer perspective, it would be better if banks had several options that the user could choose to enable. i'd personally choose limited IP range, client-certificate, AND token/code from a keychain gizmo, all in addition to login & password. if i was going travelling, i would temporarily disable the IP limit and take a laptop with me that had my client cert on it (i'd take a laptop travelling anyway and set up a uucp-over-tcp feed or something for my mail). oh yeah: the banks should require, at minimum, login & password PLUS a keychain token. client cert and IP address limit would be optional restrictions. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From marghanita at ramin.com.au Tue Jan 23 16:08:37 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:08:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 02:08:07PM +1100, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >>From a consumer perspective, wouldn't it would be better to leave Banks >>to decide what they use to authenticate users and the information they >>log about transactions. This would put the onus on them to prove the >>source of a fraud and demonstrate due care of their customers funds. > > > from a consumer perspective, it would be better if banks had several > options that the user could choose to enable. i'd personally choose > limited IP range, client-certificate, AND token/code from a keychain > gizmo, all in addition to login & password. > > if i was going travelling, i would temporarily disable the IP limit and > take a laptop with me that had my client cert on it (i'd take a laptop > travelling anyway and set up a uucp-over-tcp feed or something for my > mail). > > oh yeah: the banks should require, at minimum, login & password PLUS > a keychain token. client cert and IP address limit would be optional > restrictions. This was kind of my point, it is really up to the banks to do the risk assessment. I don't think it should be left to consumers to choose. The IP address/or a phone number would be useful in tracing the source of the fraud rather than authentication. I have had a laptop stolen...which makes me a bit wary of storing anything on one. I would also be reticent to use a public computer or even one in a workplace - but then as I said, I don't use Internet or Telephone banking. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From stephen at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 23 16:41:29 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:41:29 GMT Subject: [LINK] Australian Electronic Game Industry Profile Message-ID: <20070123054129.83FD316091@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Australian Electronic Game Industry Profile November 2006 Prepared for Game Developers?Association of Australia by Insight Economics Pty Ltd www.insighteconomics.com.au INDUSTRY PROFILE: EXECUTIVE SUMMARY The Australian electronic game industry now generates revenues of approximately $110 million per annum and directly employs approximately 1600 people of which 1350 are permanent staff and 250 are contract staff. Both turnover and employment is highly concentrated in the largest eight companies within the industry, with these companies accounting for over 80% of industry activity. Turnover and employment are also concentrated in Victoria and Queensland, which collectively are the location for around 80% of industry activity The sector is a high skill and high wage industry with average wages above the national full time earnings average ($57,000 per annum) for most job classifications within the electronic games industry. The industry has a high export orientation, with the larger companies within the sector in particular being primarily export focused. All of the largest 10 companies are more than 80% export oriented and most of them are more than 95% export oriented. Overall industry export revenues are estimated to account for over 90% of total industry revenues. Over 85% of companies within the industry now engage in the development of their own intellectual property assets and half of the companies that don?t currently do so plan to in the future. This expectation is in line with a highly growth oriented outlook within the industry. Over 90% of companies expect to grow during the next three years and 70% of companies expect to increase their level of investment in own intellectual property development over the next three years. The key growth challenges identified by companies are in the areas of attracting skilled staff and in accessing the finance for own intellectual property development. -- Cheers Paula Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 23 19:36:36 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:36:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070123115752.f6eb592d.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <20070123115752.f6eb592d.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <5ii197$27khv5@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> At 11:57 AM 23/01/2007, Alan L Tyree wrote: >A speaker at a recent meeting of the Banking Law Association even >railed at the whole idea of consumer protection, even saying "What >about freedom of contract?" A perfect 19th century concept for the 21st >century, but very indicative of the thinking in the large City firms. and why shouldn't they? chicken egg question: who applied this to industrial relations first - LJH or the BLA and their ilk? Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Tue Jan 23 20:24:32 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:24:32 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: vip-l: FW: [bits] NCD Explores Emerging Technology Trends Message-ID: <5ii197$27kttl@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> > From: Mark Quigley Subject: NCD Explores Emerging Technology Trends and Provides Strategies for >Change >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:48:23 -0500 > >NEWS RELEASE > >NCD #06-528 > >December 27, 2006 > >Contact: Mark S. Quigley > >202-272-2004 > >202-272-2074 TTY > > >National Council on Disability Explores Emerging Technology Trends and >Provides Strategies for Change > >WASHINGTON?The National Council on Disability >(NCD) today released Over the Horizon: Potential Impact of Emerging Trends >in Information and Communication Technology on Disability Policy and >Practice >(http://www.ncd.gov/newsroom/publications/2006/emerging_trends.htm), >a policy paper that explores key trends in information and communication >technology, highlights the potential opportunities and problems these trends >present for people with disabilities, and suggests some strategies to >maximize opportunities and avoid potential problems and barriers. > >The technologies used in information and communication products are >advancing at an ever increasing rate. Devices are getting smaller, lighter, >cheaper, and more capable. Electronics are being incorporated into >practically everything, making a wide variety of products programmable, and >thus more flexible. Computing power is increasing exponentially. > >According to NCD chairperson John R. Vaughn, "The more reliant society >becomes on technology to perform fundamental aspects of every-day living, >how we work, communicate, learn, shop, and interact with our environment , >the more imperative it is that people with disabilities have access to that >same technology, and the more costly will be the consequences of failure to >ensure access." > > > >This paper discusses technology trends that present opportunities for >universally designed products, and for improved availability, usability, and >affordability of assistive technology that can have significant impact on >quality of life for people with disabilities. >The first trend discussed is the ever-increasing computational power plus >the decreasing size and cost of technology-resulting in technology that is >more portable, affordable, and for which it is easier to build in access. >Second, advances in interface technology are creating new opportunities for >better assistive technologies, more accessible mainstream technologies, and >entirely new ways for users to control both. >Third, new advances will soon enable people to be connected to communication >and information networks, at any time, wherever they are-making real time >assistance only a button press or voice command away. Finally, the >proliferation of virtual places via the World Wide Web is changing the way >we approach communications, education, work, and commerce - increasing >access to goods and services without the need to leave home. > >Many of the same technological advances that show great promise of improved >accessibility, however, also have the potential to create new barriers for >people with disabilities. The following are some emerging technology trends >that are causing accessibility problems. > >* Devices will continue to get more >complex to operate before they get simpler. This is already a problem for >mainstream users, but even more of a problem for people with cognitive >disabilities and people who have cognitive decline due to aging. > >* Increased use of digital controls >(e.g., push buttons used in combination with displays, touch screens, etc.) >is creating problems for people with blindness, cognitive, and other >disabilities. > >* The shrinking size of products is >creating problems for people with physical and visual disabilities. > >* The trend toward closed systems, for >digital rights management or security reasons, is preventing people from >adapting devices to make them accessible, or from attaching assistive >technology so they can access the devices. > >* Increasing use of automated >self-service devices, especially in unattended locations, is posing problems >for some, and absolute barriers for others. > >* The decrease of face-to-face >interaction, and increase in e-business, e-government, e-learning, >e-shopping, etc., is resulting in a growing portion of our everyday world >and services becoming inaccessible to those who are unable to access these >Internet-based places and services, particularly when the Web sites are not >created in accordance with Web accessibility standards. > >In addition, the incorporation of new >technologies into products is causing products to advance beyond current >accessibility techniques and strategies. The rapid churn of mainstream >technologies, that is, the rapid replacement of one product by another, is >so fast that neither assistive technology nor technology-specific >accessibility standards are keeping pace. Without action, the gap between >the mainstream technology products being introduced and the assistive >technologies necessary to make them accessible will increase, as will the >numbers of technologies for which no accessibility adaptations are >available. > >The paper sets forth the following issues for action: > > >* Maximize the effectiveness of assistive >technologies and lower their cost. Key strategy: >Foster results oriented R & D all the way to commercial availability. > > >* Maximize the accessibility of >mainstream information and communication technology products, so that people >with disabilities and seniors can use standard products as they encounter >them. Key strategies: >Increase funding for research, proof of concept, and commercial hardening of >approaches to accessible design of mainstream products to advance >understanding in this area. > > >* Ensure that access to the Internet and >other virtual environments is provided, as it has been to physical places of >public accommodation. > > >* Address new barriers to the >accessibility of digital media caused by digital >rights management, including when visual and audio rights are sold >separately. > > >* Base all policy regarding information >and communication technology accessibility on a >realization of the importance of the business >case. Where a solid business case cannot be >built based on market forces alone, create >accessibility regulations and effective >enforcement mechanisms that provide a clear >profit advantage to those who comply and a disadvantage to those who do not. > > >* Create accessibility laws and >regulations that are not technology specific, >but are based on the functions of a device. > > >* Ensure that up-to-date information >about accessible mainstream technology and >assistive technology is available to and being used by the public. > > >"The policies we adopt today will determine >whether the technology of the future empowers >people with disabilities, enabling them to work, >learn, communicate, shop, and live independent, >productive lives as full and equal members of society," Vaughn concluded. > > > >For more information, please contact Julie >Carroll or Mark S. Quigley at 202-272-2004 or 202-272-2074 TTY. > ># # # > > > > > > > > > >Mark S. Quigley > >Director of Communications > >National Council on Disability > >1331 F Street, NW Suite 850 > >Washington, DC 20004 Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From ivan at itrundle.com Tue Jan 23 23:08:16 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:08:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] SurfControl woes Message-ID: <2EBD2BCE-84CD-4F1A-8CC9-E9923EAC4A4F@itrundle.com> Esteemed Linkers Having just discovered that a major commercial website that I've been working on has been classified by SurfControl.com as a 'personal/ dating site', I'm asking Linkers if they have experience of or is using SurfControl in their work environment (or home, I suppose...) and has information or experience of what it takes to have a domain re-categorised (yes, I've checked out their website, and submitted my site for 'consideration', on bended knee with all due deference - I've had zero feedback to date). I find it remarkable that sites are categorised in such a slipshod way, but then I suppose I should have known better coming from a background of libraries (and anti-filtering). Some years ago, my boss was continually frustrated by the various levels of filtering that prevented her from communicating, all because her first name was 'Virginia' (a good thing that she wasn't trying to sell shitake mushrooms at the same time). We even took the whole exercise to a rather memorable Senate Estimates Committee on censorship matters, but the end result was not as cut and dried as we had hoped. I digress. I'm keen to get some anecdotal evidence about SurfControl's methods of assessment, deployment, etc: if only so that the business that I work for can have a chance to compete. I even began to wonder if a competitor submitted our site's URL... Looking for quick solutions, I've considered offering clients who can't get around their IT department's insistence on using SurfControl without fine-tuning (does it offer any on a local level?) the option to access our IP address instead, but have no idea if this is futile or not. Further, I was even considering setting up an alternative nonsensical domain to circumvent the problem for those with stubborn sys-admins. And no, the site in question is NOT a personal/dating site, but rather a forum for collaboration and exchange of ideas. Oddly, SurfControl would have very limited access to the site that is currently blocked, since it is all wrapped up in a layer of password- protected - apart from the home page, which extolls the virtues of online collaboration etc. iT -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From kim.holburn at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 23:33:16 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:33:16 +0100 Subject: [LINK] SurfControl woes In-Reply-To: <2EBD2BCE-84CD-4F1A-8CC9-E9923EAC4A4F@itrundle.com> References: <2EBD2BCE-84CD-4F1A-8CC9-E9923EAC4A4F@itrundle.com> Message-ID: <2D0AEF5B-6B99-41BA-8229-EB4234909982@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/23, at 1:08 PM, Ivan Trundle wrote: > various levels of filtering that prevented her from communicating, > all because her first name was 'Virginia' (a good thing that she > wasn't trying to sell shitake mushrooms at the same time). We even > took the whole exercise to a rather memorable Senate Estimates > Committee on censorship matters, but the end result was not as cut > and dried as we had hoped. A site I was just browsing spells them shiitake probably to get around that very problem ;-) -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From stephen at melbpc.org.au Wed Jan 24 01:38:04 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:38:04 GMT Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security Message-ID: <20070123143804.9BEBF162CA@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> At 11:57 AM 23/01/2007, Alan L Tyree wrote: > A speaker at a recent meeting of the Banking Law Association > even railed at the whole idea of consumer protection .. Even eBay are now insisting sellers offer 'secure' consumer protection: -- General Announcements http://www.ebay.com.au *** Coming soon: Safe payment requirements for new sellers *** 23 January 2007 | 10:29AM EST Coming soon we will require sellers who register after 17 January 2007 to offer at least one preferred safe payment method of either PayPal or merchant credit card facilities, in their listings. Other additional payment options which are currently permitted onsite are still permitted. This requirement will be enforced starting mid March 2007. Please note this will not affect existing sellers who registered before 17th January 2007. As described in our Web Smart: Safe Online Shopping Guide, eBay strongly encourages sellers to offer payments through PayPal ? it's not only convenient to use but it also offers buyers and sellers industry leading protection against fraud and theft of financial data. Offline payment methods generally don't offer the same level of protection or convenience as online payments. Nonetheless, they may be appropriate for certain types of transactions and sellers may still use listings to offer valid forms of payment, including bank deposit, personal or bank cheques, money orders or cash on delivery. This new safe payment method requirement will further enhance the safe- trading experience on eBay for the whole community. For more details, please visit our revised Accepted Payments Policy. Regards, The eBay Team -- Cheers all .. Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 24 07:13:40 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:13:40 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture References: <45B63332.7070101@usherbrooke.ca> Message-ID: Some linkers might be interested in this discussion? Tony Begin forwarded message: > From: John Taylor-Johnston > Date: 24 January 2007 3:09:22 AM > To: oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture > > Hi all, > I'm looking at the notion of Open Source, and the Internet, as a > participatory culture - the idea that OS & the Web are a hippie effort > of sorts. > Can anyone think of any articles that might discuss this? > John Taylor-Johnston > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php? > page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > > > oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss > see also http://oss4lib.org/ phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 24 07:14:17 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:14:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture References: Message-ID: <94CC4A3F-64D5-471B-9378-4E36C1BE2179@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Begin forwarded message: > From: Joe Hourcle > Date: 24 January 2007 3:40:56 AM > To: John Taylor-Johnston > Cc: oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture > > > > On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, John Taylor-Johnston wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'm looking at the notion of Open Source, and the Internet, as a >> participatory culture - the idea that OS & the Web are a hippie >> effort >> of sorts. >> Can anyone think of any articles that might discuss this? > > > Are you looking for scholarly literature, or just anything? > > I mean, there'd Eric Raymond's "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" > > > > For actual research, a quick literature search turns up: > > Sandeep Krishnamurthy's "Cave or Community? An Empirical > Examimation of > 100 Mature Open Source Projects" > > > Guido Hertel, et.al "Motivation of software developers in Open Source > projects: an Internet-based survey of contributors to the Linux > kernel" > > > Josh Lerner and Jean Tirole "Some Simple Economics of Open Source" > > > > Also, unpublished: > > Katherine Steward and Sanjay Gosain, "Impacts of Idealogy, Trust and > Communication on Effectivenes in Open Source Software Development > Teams" > > > > > ... do a literature search, and you should find plenty of related > articles. > > I'd also suggest that you drop the term 'hippie' as it has many more > connotations than just communal efforts, and your use of the term > suggests > that you may have a bias in your research. > > > ----- > Joe Hourcle > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php? > page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > > > oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss > see also http://oss4lib.org/ phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Wed Jan 24 07:14:26 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:14:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187ABE@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> Message-ID: <59505DEB-384D-4647-987B-7981BB8BA8B3@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Binkley, Peter" > Date: 24 January 2007 3:32:57 AM > To: "John Taylor-Johnston" , discuss at lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture > > For the hippie side of this, forgive me for plugging my brother's > forthcoming book: > http://www.dukeupress.edu/books.php3?isbn=978-0-8223-3989-2 - > looking at > the connections between counterculture and consumer culture in the 70s > (things like Whole Earth Catalog etc.). It'll be out in March. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: oss4lib-discuss-bounces at lists.sourceforge.net > [mailto:oss4lib-discuss-bounces at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of > John > Taylor-Johnston > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:09 AM > To: oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture > > Hi all, > I'm looking at the notion of Open Source, and the Internet, as a > participatory culture - the idea that OS & the Web are a hippie effort > of sorts. > Can anyone think of any articles that might discuss this? > John Taylor-Johnston > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join > SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php? > page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDE > V > _______________________________________________ > > > oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss > see also http://oss4lib.org/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to > share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php? > page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > > > oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss > see also http://oss4lib.org/ phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From stil at stilgherrian.com Wed Jan 24 07:32:50 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 07:32:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070123143804.9BEBF162CA@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: On 24/1/07 1:38 AM, "stephen at melbpc.org.au" wrote: > *** Coming soon: Safe payment requirements for new sellers *** > > 23 January 2007 | 10:29AM EST > > Coming soon we will require sellers who register after 17 January 2007 to > offer at least one preferred safe payment method of either PayPal or > merchant credit card facilities, in their listings. [snip] And since eBay owns PayPal, and since you can't get merchant facilities from a bank without a written business plan and a whole bunch of paperwork that a start-up home-based business will find difficult to put together -- and even more so if you just want to flog off a few un-needed items from the shed! -- this will further entrench eBay's "vertical integration" of the market. And it's all done in the name of "safe payment". Sweet. Moreover, since PayPal isn't a bank, presumably you have far less consumer protection that when dealing with a bank. And if there's a dispute, who do you go to...? Last time I ran something on eBay, I discovered that my payments were being run through... where was it? Oh yes, eBay International AG in Switzerland. Chase that one, folks! Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From alan at austlii.edu.au Wed Jan 24 08:31:37 2007 From: alan at austlii.edu.au (Alan L Tyree) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:31:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B679B2.8040407@lannet.com.au> References: <45B679B2.8040407@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070124083137.e6a42508.alan@austlii.edu.au> On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:10:10 +1100 Howard Lowndes wrote: > > > Stilgherrian wrote: > > On 24/1/07 1:38 AM, "stephen at melbpc.org.au" > > wrote: > >> *** Coming soon: Safe payment requirements for new sellers *** > >> > >> 23 January 2007 | 10:29AM EST > >> > >> Coming soon we will require sellers who register after 17 January > >> 2007 to offer at least one preferred safe payment method of either > >> PayPal or merchant credit card facilities, in their listings. > >> [snip] > > > > And since eBay owns PayPal, and since you can't get merchant > > facilities from a bank without a written business plan and a whole > > bunch of paperwork that a start-up home-based business will find > > difficult to put together -- and even more so if you just want to > > flog off a few un-needed items from the shed! -- this will further > > entrench eBay's "vertical integration" of the market. > > Add to that the requirement to lodge a $250,000 surety - at least, > that was what the Comm Bank wanted. > > > > > And it's all done in the name of "safe payment". Sweet. > > > > Moreover, since PayPal isn't a bank, presumably you have far less > > consumer protection that when dealing with a bank. And if there's a > > dispute, who do you go to...? Last time I ran something on eBay, I You are right about less consumer protection, not because PayPal isn't a bank, but because it does not subscribe to the voluntary EFT Code of Conduct. Question 69 in the ASIC discussion paper is: 69. What steps could/should be taken to broaden EFT Code membership? It would be helpful if people like you and others on this list would make a submission to ASIC to the effect that the Code should be made mandatory for all providers offering payment services to the public. This is a very real issue, since only the banks, building societies and credit unions have subscribed to the Code. They were essentially forced to do so - at the time when the Code was originally developed, they were the only payment providers and they were given the "Godfather option": voluntary subscription was the "offer they could not refuse" since the alternative was legislation (close enough to death as far as they were concerned!). Alan > > discovered that my payments were being run through... where was it? > > Oh yes, eBay International AG in Switzerland. > > > > Chase that one, folks! > > > > Stil > > > > > > -- > Howard. > LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people > When you want a computer system that works, > just choose Linux; When you want a computer system that works, just, > choose Microsoft. -- > Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian > states. > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 427 486 206 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 FWD: 615662 From brendansweb at optusnet.com.au Wed Jan 24 09:13:55 2007 From: brendansweb at optusnet.com.au (Brendan Scott) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:13:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture In-Reply-To: <59505DEB-384D-4647-987B-7981BB8BA8B3@tony-barry.emu.id.au> References: <908893006339C0409519E4065DF3B24903187ABE@mailserver.ualibrary.ualberta.ca> <59505DEB-384D-4647-987B-7981BB8BA8B3@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Message-ID: <45B688A3.3060401@optusnet.com.au> Mmmmm A few years ago a company which shall not be named tried to spread a meme that open source was communism. While this is superficially attractive (since everyone is sharing), my personal view is that open source is more akin to a purist form of free market ideology. At the very least, the selling price of open source software ($0) is predicted by the free market economic theory (ie the marginal cost of reproduction of a digital work). The rules which define what open source software is also have something in common with those defining a free market. Of course, it has the most to do with common sense. If you are spending money, why would you spend it on a product the price of which is artificially inflated and the vendor of which will simply use your money to further inflate the price? Brendan Antony Barry wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Binkley, Peter" >> Date: 24 January 2007 3:32:57 AM >> To: "John Taylor-Johnston" , >> >> Subject: Re: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture >> >> For the hippie side of this, forgive me for plugging my brother's >> forthcoming book: >> http://www.dukeupress.edu/books.php3?isbn=978-0-8223-3989-2 - looking at >> the connections between counterculture and consumer culture in the 70s >> (things like Whole Earth Catalog etc.). It'll be out in March. >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: oss4lib-discuss-bounces at lists.sourceforge.net >> [mailto:oss4lib-discuss-bounces at lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of John >> Taylor-Johnston >> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:09 AM >> To: oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: [oss4lib-discuss] Open Source: participatory culture >> >> Hi all, >> I'm looking at the notion of Open Source, and the Internet, as a >> participatory culture - the idea that OS & the Web are a hippie effort >> of sorts. >> Can anyone think of any articles that might discuss this? >> John Taylor-Johnston >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> - >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join >> SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDE >> V >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss >> see also http://oss4lib.org/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT >> Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to >> share your >> opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash >> http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> oss4lib-discuss at lists.sourceforge.net >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/oss4lib-discuss >> see also http://oss4lib.org/ > > phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au > mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au > http://tony-barry.emu.id.au > > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 24 09:16:37 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:16:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070124083137.e6a42508.alan@austlii.edu.au> References: <45B679B2.8040407@lannet.com.au> <20070124083137.e6a42508.alan@austlii.edu.au> Message-ID: <45B68945.9040600@ramin.com.au> Alan L Tyree wrote: > It would be helpful if people like you and others on this list would > make a submission to ASIC to the effect that the Code should be made > mandatory for all providers offering payment services to the public. Alan, I was hoping you and Roger, will construct the link discussion into Lucid submissions. Personally, I would prefer to see a good code as a differentiator between financial institutions not some watered down compliance document. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From reagan at whatever.net.au Wed Jan 24 09:49:06 2007 From: reagan at whatever.net.au (Reagan Blundell) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:49:06 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070123043816.GP26390@taz.net.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123043816.GP26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45B690E2.2010701@whatever.net.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 01:00:08PM +1100, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: >> With regard to physing, if a username/password is captured in a >> phishing scam, don't they also need to fake the IP address? > > nope. most people don't have a static IP address, they get a dynamically > assigned IP whenever they log in to the net. > > AFAIK, no bank even has an option allowing the user to limit the IP > address(es) that they may login from. i wish they did, i'd find it > useful - i have my own /24s and only ever login to my bank from home. > The bank I work for does, but we're an Investment, rather than a retail/high-street bank (or at least the dept I'm in is - we also have a retail branch). So the amounts of money being traded are a bit more than your Joe-Sixpack's balance in his savings account, and our customers are more likely to be on static IPs. From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Wed Jan 24 10:45:38 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:45:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B68E0A.2030208@lannet.com.au> References: <45B679B2.8040407@lannet.com.au> <20070124083137.e6a42508.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B68E0A.2030208@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: At 9:36 +1100 24/1/07, Howard Lowndes wrote: > ... and what is AFSL? Australian Financial System Licence, I think. The site of the responsible regulator, ASIC, is hopeless on the matter. (It may be fine if you know what it is, and know you want one). After a quick Google, from: http://www.compliance-training.com.au/index.cgi?tid=16 "Everything you need to know about obtaining an AFS licence or varying an existing AFS licence is set out in this article written by Holley Nethercote. We tell you the approximate cost, expected timeframes, and processes that you'll encounter as you obtain or vary your licence. We draw on our years of experience and provide tips and tricks to help make the process as painless as possible for you. "Click here to download the article, which appeared in Money Management in 2006". http://www.holleynethercote.com.au/downloader.cgi?%D9q%86T%20%C5%16n%84%E2%F5%F7P%83%EE%99%B5P%F8%A5%13%F6Q:96:uploads%2Ffile%2FGetting%20and%20varying%20your%20AFS%20licence.pdf:0 -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 24 10:48:20 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:48:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B679B2.8040407@lannet.com.au> References: <45B679B2.8040407@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124104756.034adca0@wheresmymailserver.com> At 08:10 AM 24/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >Stilgherrian wrote: >>On 24/1/07 1:38 AM, "stephen at melbpc.org.au" wrote: >>>*** Coming soon: Safe payment requirements for new sellers *** >>> >>>23 January 2007 | 10:29AM EST >>> >>>Coming soon we will require sellers who register after 17 January 2007 to >>>offer at least one preferred safe payment method of either PayPal or >>>merchant credit card facilities, in their listings. [snip] >>And since eBay owns PayPal, and since you can't get merchant facilities from >>a bank without a written business plan and a whole bunch of paperwork that a >>start-up home-based business will find difficult to put together -- and even >>more so if you just want to flog off a few un-needed items from the shed! -- >>this will further entrench eBay's "vertical integration" of the market. > >Add to that the requirement to lodge a $250,000 surety - at least, that >was what the Comm Bank wanted. Must be new. We had merchant facilities for some time and never had to. From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 24 10:53:58 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:53:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B68E0A.2030208@lannet.com.au> References: <45B679B2.8040407@lannet.com.au> <20070124083137.e6a42508.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B68E0A.2030208@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124105254.034b9d58@wheresmymailserver.com> At 09:36 AM 24/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: I notice this from the foot of my Paypal account page: >PayPal Australia Pty Limited ABN 93 111 195 389 (AFSL 304962) > >So they do have a business established in AU and subject to AU laws, and >what is AFSL? Australian Foreign Suckers League? Well the AF is right :) Just means it's an offshore company permitted to trade in Australia as if it was a locally registered company, but is not. What's an airfare to Switzerland cost? From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 24 10:55:26 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:55:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B690E2.2010701@whatever.net.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123043816.GP26390@taz.net.au> <45B690E2.2010701@whatever.net.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124105440.04cf5650@wheresmymailserver.com> > > AFAIK, no bank even has an option allowing the user to limit the IP > > address(es) that they may login from. i wish they did, i'd find it > > useful - i have my own /24s and only ever login to my bank from home. > > > >The bank I work for does, but we're an Investment, rather than a >retail/high-street bank (or at least the dept I'm in is - we also have a >retail branch). So the amounts of money being traded are a bit more >than your Joe-Sixpack's balance in his savings account, and our >customers are more likely to be on static IPs. I rather like that. Considering where-ever I go and login from, it's always my laptop, and always via an openvpn tunnel to either a server on my network or a friends network, and always to and from a fixed IP in an address range I control :) From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 24 10:52:31 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:52:31 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070123143804.9BEBF162CA@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> References: <20070123143804.9BEBF162CA@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124105106.034ad780@wheresmymailserver.com> At 01:38 AM 24/01/2007, stephen at melbpc.org.au wrote: >At 11:57 AM 23/01/2007, Alan L Tyree wrote: > >Even eBay are now insisting sellers offer 'secure' consumer protection: > >Coming soon we will require sellers who register after 17 January 2007 to >offer at least one preferred safe payment method of either PayPal or >merchant credit card facilities, in their listings. Other additional >payment options which are currently permitted onsite are still permitted. Ahh great. More buyers being told "But it's under $25, you don't qualify for buyer protection so sorry, too bad. Buy something else, better luck next time." From drose at nla.gov.au Wed Jan 24 11:10:49 2007 From: drose at nla.gov.au (Daniel Rose) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:10:49 +1100 Subject: FW: [LINK] SurfControl woes Message-ID: <3F8819281E85774CA6CE6F4FB842874F0456FA4B@gimli.shire.nla.gov.au> I have been to sydney for a day's training with SC and it's not very hard to adjust the settings for one's own network at all. However, getting surfcontrol themselves to remove sites from their own lists is probably harder than it should be. We use SC's "Riskfilters" here to cull almost all the incoming spam. > -----Original Message----- > From: link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au > [mailto:link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of Howard Lowndes > Posted At: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 6:54 AM > Posted To: Link List > Conversation: [LINK] SurfControl woes > Subject: Re: [LINK] SurfControl woes > > > One of my clients that I do the Linux work for, has SC on its > W2K3 server, I don't know why because it doesn't provide any > useful functionality as far as I can see, other than > monitoring emails - they don't proxy web surfing through it. > That's probably because it's a church school and the holy > honchos sold the idea to them as a Good Thing (tm). The fact > is, that the Windows sysadmin really doesn't have a clue > about how to tune it, even configure it, so my bet is that > the problem is not stubborn sysadmins, rather incompetent > sysadmins, but there again, what else can you expect from > Windows sysadmins... > > Ivan Trundle wrote: > > Esteemed Linkers > > > > Having just discovered that a major commercial website that > I've been > > working on has been classified by SurfControl.com as a > > 'personal/dating site', I'm asking Linkers if they have > experience of > > or is using SurfControl in their work environment (or home, I > > suppose...) and has information or experience of what it > takes to have > > a domain re-categorised (yes, I've checked out their website, and > > submitted my site for 'consideration', on bended knee with all due > > deference - I've had zero feedback to date). > > > > I find it remarkable that sites are categorised in such a slipshod > > way, but then I suppose I should have known better coming from a > > background of libraries (and anti-filtering). Some years > ago, my boss > > was continually frustrated by the various levels of filtering that > > prevented her from communicating, all because her first name was > > 'Virginia' (a good thing that she wasn't trying to sell shitake > > mushrooms at the same time). We even took the whole exercise to a > > rather memorable Senate Estimates Committee on censorship > matters, but > > the end result was not as cut and dried as we had hoped. > > > > I digress. I'm keen to get some anecdotal evidence about > SurfControl's > > methods of assessment, deployment, etc: if only so that the > business > > that I work for can have a chance to compete. I even began > to wonder > > if a competitor submitted our site's URL... > > > > Looking for quick solutions, I've considered offering clients who > > can't get around their IT department's insistence on using > SurfControl > > without fine-tuning (does it offer any on a local level?) > the option > > to access our IP address instead, but have no idea if this > is futile or not. > > Further, I was even considering setting up an alternative > nonsensical > > domain to circumvent the problem for those with stubborn sys-admins. > > > > And no, the site in question is NOT a personal/dating site, > but rather > > a forum for collaboration and exchange of ideas. Oddly, SurfControl > > would have very limited access to the site that is > currently blocked, > > since it is all wrapped up in a layer of password-protected - apart > > from the home page, which extolls the virtues of online > collaboration etc. > > > > iT > > > > -- > > Ivan Trundle > > http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com > > ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 > > skype: callto://ivanovitchk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Link mailing list > > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > > > > -- > Howard. > LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people > When you want a computer system that > works, just choose Linux; When you want a computer system > that works, just, choose Microsoft. > -- > Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the > Australian states. > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Wed Jan 24 15:04:31 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:04:31 +1100 Subject: [LINK] M$ and wikipedia - no-no Message-ID: <5ii197$27viko@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Microsoft offers cash for Wikipedia edit http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070123/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_wikipedia By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, AP Technology Writer Tue Jan 23, 5:14 PM ET Microsoft Corp. landed in the Wikipedia doghouse Tuesday after it offered to pay a blogger to change technical articles on the community-produced Web encyclopedia site. While Wikipedia is known as the encyclopedia that anyone can tweak, founder Jimmy Wales and his cadre of volunteer editors, writers and moderators have blocked public-relations firms, campaign workers and anyone else perceived as having a conflict of interest from posting fluff or slanting entries. So paying for Wikipedia copy is considered a definite no-no. [snip] Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Wed Jan 24 17:12:25 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:42:25 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45B6F8C9.6060406@aarnet.edu.au> Roger Clarke wrote: > At 6:50 +1100 14/1/07, Alan L Tyree wrote: >> I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission to ASIC on the >> review of the EFT Code of Conduct. One of the things that Industry has >> been pushing for is to make consumers liable for losses caused by >> computers infected with malware. >> The argument I wish to make is that consumers are hopelessly ill >> equipped to secure their (Windows) computers. ... > > > [Just as I'm nearing finalisation of a draft paper on the topic - I'll > post an RFC shortly - up bobs this useful article. Comments interspersed] Since this is a code, there's no reason it can't contain specifics. I don't buy into the argument that the banks will do the right thing if faced by the liability. The banks face the total liability now, and yet aren't uniformly doing simple things like: - script-defeating login procedures - multi-factor authentication of transactions - making it more difficult to intercept secret data (such as PINs) - allowing "read only" accounts for people merely interested in their account balances whilst budgeting - issuing user certificates rather than using low quality certificate authorities - black listing browser versions with known bugs - questioning transactions which appear from differing ISPs in a short period I really think ASIC needs to create a minimum list. Even if banks accept full liability this does not mean that the customer faces no costs -- for a welfare recipient with a small balance or for a traveller the speed of the bank's response is important. So there is social good beyond the liability to be gained in restricting internet banking fraud. The computer industry has to take some responsibility here. Look at all the trouble Microsoft has gone to in Windows Vista to create a secure channel for viewing high definition video. And yet they can't even offer a secure channel for getting a PIN to a bank. -- Glen Turner Tel: (08) 8303 3936 or +61 8 8303 3936 Australia's Academic & Research Network www.aarnet.edu.au From carl at xena.IPAustralia.gov.au Wed Jan 24 17:19:24 2007 From: carl at xena.IPAustralia.gov.au (Carl Makin) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:19:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stewart, On 22/01/2007, at 9:35 AM, Stewart Fist wrote: > We supposedly use the international spectrum allocation for television > transmission, yet Australia has never used Channels 12 to 27 in the > UHF > band. Because they are already in use for other purposes. > Yet this is the best part of the UHF band for distance broadcasting > (more > important in Australia than elsewhere) -- and it exists as an enormous > spectrum gap from 222MHz up to 526MHz. This was the obvious region > to open > up for digital TV, and this could have been done without needing to > destroy > analog channels until they are totally obsolete. There is no "spectrum gap". That is the part of the spectrum where the vast majority of two-way radio and similar services sit. > I've never managed to get an answer (that I trust) as to why these > channels > were left vacant, The authorities opened up the high end of the > UHF band > for 'so-called business and foreign language' broadcasting at one > time, > which meant that a set-top box was needed, because it was off the > range of > international TV tuners. Yet this on-tuner range from 12 to 27 > lies vacant. It's not vacant. It's packed with other services like police, fire brigade, ambulance, RFS, taxis, courier companies, etc. Where do these services go if you reallocate the spectrum to digital broadcasting? You can search the ACMA website for frequency allocations within a certain postcode and frequency range. The form is at; http://web.acma.gov.au/pls/radcom/assignment_range.range_search I searched for all allocations between 220Mhz and 525Mhz just in the Sydney CBD postcode (2000) and it returned 1204 allocations. That doesn't include allocations made in the surrounding postcodes. The ACMA spectrum plan is at http://www.acma.gov.au/ACMAINTER.1638528:STANDARD::pc=PC_2713 which includes both a PDF text document and a PDF wall chart detailing exactly the use of each bit of spectrum between 9 hertz and 275Ghz. The Australian spectrum plan conforms mostly to the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) spectrum plan which, interestingly, does not have TV channels listed between 220Mhz and 525Mhz. Carl. From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Wed Jan 24 17:29:13 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:59:13 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070122232729.GO26390@taz.net.au> References: <20070122232729.GO26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45B6FCB9.4050103@aarnet.edu.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > to start with, it would be running linux (or freebsd or even mac osx but > linux is less hassle and there are a number of freely available live-CD > linux distros to choose from) rather than windows. Ah, yes. Linux and security. More secure than Windows does not mean secure. As a trivial example, Linux will happily run under VMWare and take input from the keyboard, even where the applications programmer has requested X Windows to use secure inputs only. Yes it's convenient. It's also insecure as, despite the applications' specific request, it's now taking input from an insecure source, since we should not trust that VMWare has not been compromised. > secondly, it would have java, flash, and other executable web content > disabled. That's a real problem for the bank's applications programmer, since they now have no way to correct the deficiencies of the operating system. For example, both Windows and Linux will allow secrets to be entered through the keyboard whereas the applications programmer might prefer them to be entered using a randomised on-screen keyboard so that keyloggers cannot replay the keys. Without changes to PC hardware there are no simple answers here. The PC even lacks a genuine Secure Attention Key so that you can be sure your Linux Live CD for Banking is loading on real hardware rather than some nefarious emulator. There's also the problem of secure delivery of the Live CD. But we're starting from a low base here, so I suppose any improvement is worthwhile. -- Glen Turner Tel: (08) 8303 3936 or +61 8 8303 3936 Australia's Academic & Research Network www.aarnet.edu.au From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Wed Jan 24 18:39:08 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:39:08 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B6FCB9.4050103@aarnet.edu.au> References: <20070122232729.GO26390@taz.net.au> <45B6FCB9.4050103@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <45B70D1C.5000601@ozemail.com.au> Glen wrote: > >That's a real problem for the bank's applications programmer, since >they now have no way to correct the deficiencies of the operating >system. For example, both Windows and Linux will allow secrets to >be entered through the keyboard whereas the applications programmer >might prefer them to be entered using a randomised on-screen keyboard >so that keyloggers cannot replay the keys. > > Well ... we could go "back to the future", and give up the convenience of the browser, instead having consumers use a purpose-built application from the bank. The first Advance Bank application I used was delivered as an EXE on a floppy disk; then so you could install it, you had to phone a number which recited the program's hash, which you typed in so as to complete the install. OK: this would not be 100% secure against (say) eavesdropping on the network, but it would break the back of phishing, because you could not invoke the application from the e-mail or the Web browser. Would this be so much more expensive than, for example, shipping tokens to customers? Of course, an installed logger could capture key data and, I suppose, mouse clicks, but you would still need an authenticated copy of the application to use captured data. This may be avoidable or beatable? I fully expect bigger brains to shoot down the idea (for eg, "what about Linux"? Answer: have the application compiled cross-platform). But the bank would also get better traceability of application usage. The loss of convenience is that the app is not so easily transportable ... but only a fool banks from Internet cafes. RC >Without changes to PC hardware there are no simple answers here. The >PC even lacks a genuine Secure Attention Key so that you can be >sure your Linux Live CD for Banking is loading on real hardware rather >than some nefarious emulator. > >There's also the problem of secure delivery of the Live CD. > >But we're starting from a low base here, so I suppose any >improvement is worthwhile. > > > > From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 24 18:49:57 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:49:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <45B6FCB9.4050103@aarnet.edu.au> References: <20070122232729.GO26390@taz.net.au> <45B6FCB9.4050103@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070124074957.GR26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 04:59:13PM +1030, Glen Turner wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > > > to start with, it would be running linux (or freebsd or even mac osx > > but linux is less hassle and there are a number of freely available > > live-CD linux distros to choose from) rather than windows. > > Ah, yes. Linux and security. More secure than Windows does not mean > secure. nothing is 100% secure. and never will be. > As a trivial example, Linux will happily run under VMWare and take > input from the keyboard, even where the applications programmer has > requested X Windows to use secure inputs only. > > Yes it's convenient. It's also insecure as, despite the applications' > specific request, it's now taking input from an insecure source, since > we should not trust that VMWare has not been compromised. yes, if you try really hard and run linux in an emulator (presumably on an insecure OS like windows) you can find ways to make linux insecure. i've said this myself on numerous occasions. the difference is that you have to try hard to make it insecure. there are many ways to do it but out-of-the-box, linux is secure enough for most purposes. > > secondly, it would have java, flash, and other executable web content > > disabled. > > That's a real problem for the bank's applications programmer, since > they now have no way to correct the deficiencies of the operating > system. For example, both Windows and Linux will allow secrets to > be entered through the keyboard whereas the applications programmer > might prefer them to be entered using a randomised on-screen keyboard > so that keyloggers cannot replay the keys. if the programmer thinks that that is any more secure than a keyboard, then they're an idiot. if a system is compromised so that a real keyboard can be snooped on, then so can a virtual on-screen keyboard. anyway, a web programmer shouldn't be thinking about the deficiencies of the operating system, let alone trying to work around them. they should be programming for the browser environment, which is (at essence) little more than a way of displaying data - i.e. HTML. the server side generates and transmits the data in response to user request/input. the browser renders it in whatever manner best suits the local environment - the web programmer should not be trying to second-guess what that local environment is, and they certainly shouldn't be forcing their expectations onto the rendering. > Without changes to PC hardware there are no simple answers here. The there will be no simple answers, ever. but there are some simple underlying rules - and one of them is that you can't have a secure online banking system based on a fundamentally insecure operating system like MS Windows. > There's also the problem of secure delivery of the Live CD. secure distribution is far from an insurmountable problem. banks could ship their own live CD to customers. or there's always download and MD5 checksum verification. > But we're starting from a low base here, so I suppose any improvement > is worthwhile. linux (or any *nix) is a vast improvement, security-wise, over windows. not perfect, but then perfect security is unattainable. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 24 21:04:00 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:04:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: References: <200701202125.l0KLPnLT015307@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124210051.034d3b80@mail.ah.net> At 09:35 AM 22/01/2007, Stewart Fist wrote: >We supposedly use the international spectrum allocation for television >transmission, yet Australia has never used Channels 12 to 27 in the UHF >band. > >Yet this is the best part of the UHF band for distance broadcasting (more >important in Australia than elsewhere) -- and it exists as an enormous >spectrum gap from 222MHz up to 526MHz. This was the obvious region to open >up for digital TV, and this could have been done without needing to destroy >analog channels until they are totally obsolete. Nope. Not really. You have Amateur Radio, UHF CB from 476Mhz to 477Mhz, you have pagers, you have hospital systems, you have private licence radio links, the list is quite long. There's also a stack of Broadcast radio in that region. I think it's mostly narrowcast and the content is generally foreign. Probably lost of Arabic material in there :) >I've never managed to get an answer (that I trust) as to why these channels >were left vacant, Check at the ACMA web site in the Radio Licence database and enter the relevant frequencies. You're going to get a lot of data! >I've been asking these questions at spectrum conferences for years, but >never had a convincing reply. Maybe because people are only interested in certain frequencies for certain uses and at spectrum conferences they are only interested in new developing ranges, rather than older over crowded and privately licensed ranges? From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 24 21:05:45 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:05:45 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124210422.034d38f0@mail.ah.net> At 09:58 AM 22/01/2007, Kim Holburn wrote: >On 2007/Jan/21, at 11:35 PM, Stewart Fist wrote: >>We supposedly use the international spectrum allocation for television >>transmission, yet Australia has never used Channels 12 to 27 in the >>UHF band. >>international TV tuners. Yet this on-tuner range from 12 to 27 >>lies vacant. >> >>Has anyone ever heard any sort of a rational explanation? > >I believe the simple economic answer is that more TV stations would >dilute the advertising dollar and the stations wouldn't be viable. >It has always seemed to me to be a monopolist's argument (tri- >opolists? quintopolists?). That's the supposed answer to why we >only have 5 channels not why we don't use the unallocated channels >for something else. Kim - you really want another 10 channels of "Big Brother" and "Australian Princess" or "Idol" or "Pop Stars" or heaven forbid after all the promise of "Commercial quality material" another Channel 31 with it's "We got the licence you guys are suckers and we're going to show the same tacky trash that you did, only we have the power" stations? Eschk! From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 24 21:07:16 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:07:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: <5ii197$26vvf4@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii197$26vvf4@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124210622.034d3660@mail.ah.net> At 10:18 AM 22/01/2007, Jan Whitaker wrote: >in access distance of 2 other stations from the capital city as well, all >free to air, I think that argument is a bunch of bunk. And that was >withOUT a public broadcasting station similar to ABC. It's called greed >and control by Packer9/Stokes7/Ch10. We have 3 commercial stations for the >entire country here, not 5. Totally agree, but there isn't really any good local content production anyway! The consumers can't afford to pay for content! >And the hundreds-of-channels cable systems have also put pay to the >argument there. Yes, the take up is pretty lousy! But that's because there is little access and little to watch! From mgm-ns at tardis.net Wed Jan 24 21:49:39 2007 From: mgm-ns at tardis.net (Malcolm Miles) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:49:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Solar cells In-Reply-To: <45B2884C.3010102@lannet.com.au> References: <1169268954.5841.325.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45B1EEBB.3010009@aarnet.edu.au> <45B2884C.3010102@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:23:24 +1100, you wrote: >> Computing, and networking in particular, is front and centre when it comes >> to the wasteful use of electricity. It's the weekend, and yet every >> ethernet switch runs as though it is facing peak load, just so you get >> this e-mail milliseconds earlier. > >I have to say that I have done my little bit by changing my physical >servers over to virtual servers using XEN. It was a risk to my client >connectivity, but it was a successful shift and reduced my IT power burn >by about 25%. While I can't do much about the PCs and servers at work, I have switched to 100% green power at home so I don't feel quite as guilty running all my various home PCs and servers. -- Best wishes, Malcolm From stephen at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 25 03:02:18 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:02:18 GMT Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security Message-ID: <20070124160218.9B8BF1608D@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> At 05:12 PM 24/01/2007, Glen writes: >> I'm looking for some help here. I'm writing a submission >> to ASIC on the review of the EFT Code of Conduct ... > > The banks face the total liability now, and yet aren't uniformly > doing simple things like: > > - script-defeating login procedures > - multi-factor authentication of transactions > - making it more difficult to intercept secret data (such as PINs) > - allowing "read only" accounts for people merely interested in > their account balances whilst budgeting > - issuing user certificates rather than using low quality > certificate authorities > - black listing browser versions with known bugs > - questioning transactions which appear from differing > ISPs in a short period > > I really think ASIC needs to create a minimum list .. there is social > good beyond the liability () in restricting internet banking fraud. (MS) > can't even offer a secure channel for getting a PIN to a bank. Well said. Another bank security service imho should be to offer their customers SMS 'back-channel' notification of larger transactions, and even a third stage, requiring an SMS approval-reply before completion. That could apply to most forms of bank transactions: cheque, transfer and even some forms of VISA transactions, where the hole-in-the-wall allows a time-window to account for the apparently normal SMS delay. Cheers all .. Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From saliya at hinet.net.au Thu Jan 25 07:16:09 2007 From: saliya at hinet.net.au (Saliya Wimalaratne) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:16:09 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Consumer computer security In-Reply-To: <20070124160218.9B8BF1608D@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> References: <20070124160218.9B8BF1608D@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Message-ID: <20070124201609.GB2943@netspace.hinet.net.au> On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 04:02:18PM +0000, stephen at melbpc.org.au wrote: > At 05:12 PM 24/01/2007, Glen writes: > > Well said. Another bank security service imho should be to offer their > customers SMS 'back-channel' notification of larger transactions, and > even a third stage, requiring an SMS approval-reply before completion. The only problem is; SMS has no guaranteed delivery time. That is, you inject a message into the system - and when it comes out is anybody's guess. But a prearranged OOB verification method _would_ present a pretty insurmountable problem for a hijacked PC crook. That could be SMS, or voice call to home-or-mobile, or morse-code for those that wanted. The method would have to be something you could _only_ change at the bank, in person... so you'd still have to visit if only occasionally :) Regards, Saliya From kim.holburn at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 07:56:59 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:56:59 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Analogue TV frequencies not just used for TV, so spanner in works of spectrum sale In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124210422.034d38f0@mail.ah.net> References: <6.2.0.14.0.20070124210422.034d38f0@mail.ah.net> Message-ID: <91F25237-8DC2-4A43-852B-877CF35FAC8E@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/24, at 11:05 AM, Adam Todd wrote: > At 09:58 AM 22/01/2007, Kim Holburn wrote: >> I believe the simple economic answer is that more TV stations would >> dilute the advertising dollar and the stations wouldn't be viable. >> It has always seemed to me to be a monopolist's argument (tri- >> opolists? quintopolists?). That's the supposed answer to why we >> only have 5 channels not why we don't use the unallocated channels >> for something else. > > Kim - you really want another 10 channels of "Big Brother" and > "Australian Princess" or "Idol" or "Pop Stars" or heaven forbid > after all the promise of "Commercial quality material" another > Channel 31 with it's "We got the licence you guys are suckers and > we're going to show the same tacky trash that you did, only we have > the power" stations? I think you're not asking the right question at all. Why should the current 3.x commercial stations have a monopoly (or a tri-x-opoly)? Why should they be sitting pretty, funnelling wads of cash through their government sponsored spectrum toll ways when we could have a much more diverse lot of crap? For instance, why can't we have some local or community TV? If we freed up 3 analogue TVs worth of spectrum we could have how many digital stations? 15 isn't it? Instead each successive government seems bent on putting the small amount of spectrum into fewer and fewer hands and letting more and more stations from different areas be taken over. Kim -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Thu Jan 25 08:47:38 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:47:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Musings: Web-Page Content as a Computer Crime? Message-ID: Thanks to several people who assisted with my RFI re the computer crimes provisions of the Clth Crimes Act, both on the privacy list and off-list. Here's what I'm playing with. When a web-browser requests a file from a web-server, the native response is a file containing HTML. But the file may contain 'active code' (my term). I'm focussing on Javascript, Java and ActiveX controls. (Any others?). Also within-scope are instructions to set cookies. The person using the web-browser *might* anticipate that 'active code' could be inside the file. But most people wouldn't - if only because they don't understand what the heck we're talking about. But even those who are still hanging in there at this stage don't know what the code does. And cookies are worse. That's because there's an IETF RFC that defines what Best Practice is in relation to cookies, and a big proportion of sites breach it. (For one thing, the RFC permits 'session cookies' only). I'm assessing the extent to which the files that many web-servers are sending in response to a request from a web-browser might be in breach of the 'computer crimes' provisions of Clth and State laws. I'm assuming for the purposes of the exercise that the browser-user has not 'authorised' the action (on the basis that any presumption of consent is unreasonable, because it wasn't and couldn't be 'informed consent'). The notes below relate to the Clth and NSW provisions. Any thoughts much appreciated. (Who knows, there may even be case law!?). _________________________________________________________________________ Commonwealth Crimes Act Roughly, it's an offence to 'knowingly and without authorisation modify data, by means of a carriage services provider, in a manner that is reckless as to whether the modification impairs access to data, or impairs the reliability, security or operation, of such data' The bloke on the bus reckons that a Javascript programmer knowingly and without authorisation modifies data - i.e. (a) and (b) are satisfied; and that he does so by means of a carriage services provider - (d)(iii). So the key question is whether the Javascript programmer is reckless about whether the modification of data might 'impair access to data or the reliability, security or operation, of such data' - (c). It's not entirely obvious, at least to me, what s. 477.2(1)(c) is meant to mean, let alone what a court would construe it to mean. [As Dick might have meant, 'first, let's kill all the legislative drafters', because they either meant to grease the palms of their professional colleagues the barristers, or they intended this to be so complex that it could never be successfully used in a prosecution] Here's the reference: >the Clth Computer Crime offences have been moved to the schedule of >the Criminal Code. See sections 476, 477 and 478. >http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/cca1995115/sch1.html [Note that *some* of the excruciating expression below is a result of the legislative drafter trying to work within constitutional limitations] The part that appears to be relevant is: 477.2 Unauthorised modification of data to cause impairment (1) A person is guilty of an offence if: (a) the person causes any unauthorised modification of data held in a computer; and (b) the person knows the modification is unauthorised; and (c) the person is reckless as to whether the modification impairs or will impair: (i) access to that or any other data held in any computer; or (ii) the reliability, security or operation, of any such data; and (d) one or more of the following applies: (iii) the modification of the data is caused by means of a carriage service; (vii) the modification of the data impairs access to, or the reliability, security or operation of, other data by means of a carriage service. Penalty: 10 years imprisonment. (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(d). (3) A person may be guilty of an offence against this section even if there is or will be no actual impairment to: (a) access to data held in a computer; or (b) the reliability, security or operation, of any such data. __________________________________________________________________________ NSW Crimes Act (as an example of State law) Roughly, it's an offence to 'modify data, knowing that that act is unauthorised, and doing so either recklessly or with the intention of causing impairment of data, or impairment of the reliability, security or operation of data'. Again, the bloke on the bus reckons that a Javascript programmer modifies data, and that he's acting without the browser-owner's authorisation - (a), and that there's a good chance that the programmer knows he's acting without the browser-owner's authorisation - (b) - although (b) has to be established in court. Given the low quality of design, programming and quality assurance, the bloke on the bus reckons 'reckless' may be a fair description - (c part II) although that requires (probably tedious and counter-intuitive) evaluation. So, again, a key test seems to be the meaning of 'the impairment of data, or of the reliability, security or operation of data' - (c part I) - which remains unclear to bus passengers and me alike. Here's the law: NSW Crimes Act at ss. 308-308I http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s308.html Specifically: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s308d.html 308D Unauthorised modification of data with intent to cause impairment (1) A person who: (a) causes any unauthorised modification of data held in a computer, and (b) knows that the modification is unauthorised, and (c) intends by the modification to impair access to, or to impair the reliability, security or operation of, any data held in a computer, or who is reckless as to any such impairment, is guilty of an offence. Maximum penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years. and http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s308i.html Unauthorised impairment of data held in computer disk, credit card or other device (summary offence) 308I Unauthorised impairment of data held in computer disk, credit card or other device (summary offence) (1) A person: (a) who causes any unauthorised impairment of the reliability, security or operation of any data held on a computer disk, credit card or other device used to store data by electronic means, and (b) who knows that the impairment is unauthorised, and (c) who intends to cause that impairment, is guilty of an offence. Maximum penalty: Imprisonment for 2 years. (2) An offence against this section is a summary offence. (3) For the purposes of this section, impairment of the reliability, security or operation of data is "unauthorised" if the person is not entitled to cause that impairment. __________________________________________________________________________ -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Wed Jan 24 08:37:12 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:37:12 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> <20070121215726.6A2659939@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <20070124223217.2F68413D97@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> At 10:18 AM 1/22/2007, Ivan Trundle wrote: >I'll be really picky here and focus on just a few points: > >On 21/01/2007, at 4:13 PM, Tom Worthington wrote >: > >>... Semantic XHTML with structural consistency; for example a >>second level heading

always has a first level heading above it

. > >Why is this semantic? Numerically ordered, perhaps, but not at all >semantic in language. ... Yes, I would have called this "structured", by analogy to structured programming. Perhaps the idea is that you can extract meaning from the structure, if the structure is rigorously enforced. >> >> >>A little AI on the site's feedback form had allowed 80% of queries >>to be answered automatically. > >... Simply automating the answers does not therefore mean that >visitors are either better informed, or that their query is resolved. ... I am assuming that the sort of queries answered automatically are the sort which would be in the FAQs. This should take much AI to do. >>Alexi emphasized the need to educate the customers about the >>benefits of using standards ... > >Yes, the last thing that we need is for designers to design - far >too dangerous. ... Sarcasm aside, I am with Alexi on this one. Too much time is wasted making pretty web pages, instead of making sure the content is correct. I am consulted on web designs where there are lots of pretty images and layout, but they forgot to include the name of the organisation, or say what the product was. The problem is that graphic designers think they can design web pages. Instead we need people architecting information. Ideally we should be able to let the graphic designers design graphics without being able to change the actual web design. That way they could do less harm. >Or to have senior executives having any control ... The senior executives should not trouble themselves (meddle in) the details of the web design and should leave it to experts. Of course those experts have to be able to defend the details of their design. Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Thu Jan 25 10:45:26 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:45:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Link Digest, Vol 170, Issue 54 In-Reply-To: <200701242058.l0OKwFYw005084@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Carl replies to my question as to why we didn't use UHF TV Channels 12 to 27 spectrum gap > > Because they are already in use for other purposes. >There is no "spectrum gap". That is the part of the spectrum where > the vast majority of two-way radio and similar services sit. OK, I may have over simplified with "spectrum gap" because I realise that even in the international TV spectrum allocation there are slots left for other purposes. But the fact remains that: 1. every television set sold in Australia in the last 20 years has had tuners capable of handling 16 of the standard 7MHz channels in this "TV gap" that we don't have. 2. It's not as if Australia with its 20 million people, spread out over a landmass the size of Europe or North America, and having no radio competition (above MW) with any neighbours, is so desperate for spectrum that it has to steal 16 x 7 MHz of bandwidth from the international television spectrum. 3. It's not as if Australia has a large electronics manufacturing industry producing unique products to go into this gap. Anything that is using this spectrum, I would think, would be readily convertible, probably just by changing a crystal. > It's not vacant. It's packed with other services like police, fire > brigade, ambulance, RFS, taxis, courier companies, etc. Where do > these services go if you reallocate the spectrum to digital > broadcasting? You use the term "packed" as if Australia has some special spectrum load requirements not yet experienced by other nations, or by Europe as a whole. I find this claim ridiculous. Your list of requirements is all for voice or low-speed data. And such vacant bandwidth can be found almost anywhere in the spectrum, if those doing the allocation are even half-competent. The total bandwidth required for all of the list would be less than half the bandwidth of one television channel, and it would be better in the VHF band where they have already recovered Channel 0 (45-52MHz). They have also recovered Channel 5A (137-144MHz) which was an Australia-only allocation, discovered later to be required for LEO satellites. Consider the fact that the whole of the population of the USA and Europe manage to slot their cellphone usage into less than the bandwidth required for two television channels. This would be a hundred times the combined requirements of police, ambulance, taxies, fire etc. I have a multi-channel ham radio receiver which allows me to scan the MW to SHF frequencies. The power needle twitches solidly whenever it registers even the faintest signal from outer Mongolia -- even when I can only faintly hear that a voice station exists. Yet it can traverse most of the Australian spectrum at almost any time of the day or night, from a location in the middle of Sydney (supposedly the most overloaded point in the country), and it shows enormous gaps in the spectrum at all times - day or night. Allocation doesn't equal use. For the first twenty years I've been writing about this stuff, the official explanation for the 12-27 gap was that it was needed as a 'Defence allocation", and therefore couldn't be discussed with the media. Later the Defence people said that they only ever wanted to use spectrum also used by potential allies - the Europeans and Americans - which tended to rule this out as a defence imperative. Now we find that, in the lead up to the introduction of digital television (which begun officially in 1990 following a Senate Inquiry) that this spectrum has been allocated to emergency services. Bureaucracy gone made ... or worse. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 Now we find From brd at iimetro.com.au Thu Jan 25 10:50:46 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:50:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070124223217.2F68413D97@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> <20070121215726.6A2659939@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <20070124223217.2F68413D97@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <45B7F0D6.7030400@iimetro.com.au> Tom Worthington wrote: > Instead we need people architecting information. Tom, what do you mean by "architecting information"? The term "architect" in the context of Information Systems has been grossly overused and now describes almost anything you want it to mean. "architecting information" in the context of website design really needs some explaining so that we know what you mean. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 25 11:08:14 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:08:14 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: vip-l: Fwd: E-Access Bulletin: January 2007 Message-ID: <5ii197$28bv4m@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Interesting articles about navigation, IBM developing a screen reader for Linux, website accessibility globally, etc etc. Sorry about the length! Jan From: Dan Jellinek dan at headstar.com To: eaccess at headstar.com ++E-ACCESS BULLETIN - ISSUE 85, JANUARY 2007. Technology news for people with vision impairment ( http://www.headstar.com/eab/ ). Sponsored by: RNIB ( http://www.rnib.org.uk ) BT Age and Disability Unit ( http://www.btplc.com/age_disability/ ) Ford Motor Company ( http://www.ford.co.uk ) NOTE: Please forward this free bulletin to others (subscription details at the end). We conform to the accessible Text Email Newsletter (TEN) Standard: http://www.headstar.com/ten/ . ++Issue 85 Contents. ++Section One: News. 01: Italian Government To Explore Route Finder Technology - Piedmont backs tests of navigational device for residents. 02: IBM Builds Bridges For Commercial Screen Readers - technology giant releases accessibility interfaces for Linux. 03: Scottish Cinemas Receive Funds For Audio Description - 100,000 pounds to assist vision impaired moviegoers. News in Brief: 04: Open Sesame - electronic key fob; 05: Global Deficiency - United Nations web accessibility survey; 06: Audio Culture - free podcasts of classic novels. Section Two: 'The Inbox' - Readers' Forum. 07: Switching Off - Soundclash solution; 08: Get Shorty - tip for shorter web addresses; 09: Remote Access - remote control question; 10: Scripts Search - information management system query; 11: Problem Magnified - advice sought. Section Three: Focus - Educational Games. 12: Sticky By Name, Sticky By Nature: The BBC's online educational materials for schoolchildren, Jam, is soon to launch a set of innovative accessible games for vision impaired pupils. Mel Poluck saw them showcased for the first time at BETT, the world's largest conference on educational technology. Section Four: Profile - Chris Hofstader. 13: Software For Everyone: Chris Hofstader, former software engineer at US assistive technology company Freedom Scientific talks to Mel Poluck about his current business plans and shares his views on the assistive technology industry. [Contents ends]. ++Special Notice: e-Access '07 Date Announcement. We are pleased to announce the date of e-Access '07, the UK's leading annual event on access to technologies by people with all disabilities, hosted by E-Access Bulletin. It will be held earlier than usual next year, on 2 May 2007 in Central London. More information about e-Access '07 will be announced shortly, but please hold the date in your diary if you intend to come along! As ever, sponsorship and exhibitor opportunities will also be available at the event. If you are interested in these please contact Claire Clinton at claire at headstar.com . [Special Notice ends]. Section One: News. +01: Italian Government To Explore Route Finder Technology. A handheld device for blind people to independently reach their destination on foot is to go on trial this month in Turin, Italy. Conceived and funded by the regional government of Piedmont, 'Easy walk' uses a Global Positioning System (GPS) enabled mobile phone to provide audible directions. Once launched in August, it will be free to use. The navigational device tells users the address their current location as well as directions, 'left,' 'right,' 'straight on,' and so on, until they reach their destination. For users that are stuck or lost, the system allows them to call a contact centre where an operator sees their position on a computer screen and guides them on their journey over the phone. The pilot follows a campaign by the local branch of the Unione Italiana dei Ciechi (Italian Blind Union - http://www.uiciechi.it/piemonte/ ) to increase the safety of crossings in the region. Problems with the accuracy of the precision of users' positions have been smoothed out, financial advisor at the Italian Blind and co-developer of the device, Federico Borgna told E-Access Bulletin, although there are improvements yet to be made. The GPS, for example, fails to work under tram wires, said Borgna. In future, users will be able to personalise the device, adding the names of shops or offices on routes that are then saved, for example. Developers also aim for the Easy Walk to provide directions to users anywhere in Italy or France. The device has been developed by the Italian wireless technology company Il Village ( http://www.ilvillage.it/ilVillage/ ). +02: IBM Builds Bridges For Commercial Screen Readers. Software products based on open source technology could become more accessible to users of commercial screen readers following the release of a new set of programming interfaces by technology giant IBM. Users of commercial screen readers, which are usually developed for Microsoft operating systems, often have problems accessing computer applications that run on rival operating systems such as Linux, which are based on open source software. Collectively known as iAccessible2, the new interfaces released by IBM are the basic building blocks for programmers to join open source software products to Microsoft-based screen readers so that they work together seamlessly. IBM has released the interfaces to the Free Standards Group, a non- profit organisation that will maintain iAccessible2 as an open standard that can be freely used by developers. A blog maintained by the technical director of the Free Standards Group is available here: http://ianmurdock.com/?page_id=215 . The move is seen as a significant step towards building bridges between the most widely used commercial screen reader products and the open source community, which develops products that are often less expensive and more secure than those based on so-called "proprietary" technologies. Roger Wilson-Hinds, developer of Thunder, the screen reader that is free to individual users of Microsoft operating systems, gave the news a cautious welcome. "The usual problem with open source is that you need to be a 'techie', or have a 'techie' around to access it. But this is good news and a step in the right direction," he said. +03: Scottish Cinemas Receive Funds For Audio Description. Scottish moviegoers will find films more accessible following the launch of a fund to encourage installation of audio description equipment in cinemas. Cinemas in Scotland can each apply for up to 5,000 pounds to cover the cost of the equipment from the Cinema Access Equipment Investment Programme. Under the programme, a total of 100,000 pounds will be distributed to cinemas by the Scottish Arts Council and Scottish Screen, the national development agency for the country's film industry. To qualify, each cinema must satisfy technical requirements for the equipment to be installed, and invest the same amount as it claims from the fund. For more details, see: http://fastlink.headstar.com/cin1 . Scotland has 322 screens in 62 venues, according to Scottish Screen. "We're sending information ahout the funding to cinemas through all our usual communication channels," said a spokesperson. The initiative is also being supported by the Royal National Institute for Deaf People (RNID) Scotland, RNIB and the UK Film Council. The scottish programme will be working closely with similar initiatives in England, Wales and Northern Ireland to ensure that people with sensory impairments can access as wide a range of films as possible. ++News in Brief: +04: Open Sesame: A programmable electronic door key fob for use in the home will be available on the market from next month. The Locca works with existing locks, needs only a plug socket and keys can be "deleted" if lost or stolen. The device, from ERA products, costs 149 pounds and is available from B and Q and locksmiths in the UK. For details email: info at era-security.com . or go to: http://www.era-security.com/Loccaabout.htm . +05: Global Deficiency: The websites of the German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Prime Ministers Tony Blair in the UK, and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero in Spain were the only to reach basic levels of accessibility, according to a United Nations report on global web accessibility. Carried out by web consultancy Nomensa, the survey looked at 100 sites across five sectors. Some 97 per cent did not allow users to resize text or pages: http://fastlink.headstar.com/unaccess1 . +06: Audio Culture: Podcasts of classic novels have been made available for free on the Open Culture website from Stanford University in the US. Authors including Dickens, Chaucer and Austen: http://fastlink.headstar.com/audbk1 . [Section One ends]. ++Section Two: 'The Inbox' - Readers' Forum. Please email all contributions or responses to inbox at headstar.com . +07: Switching Off: Sabahattin Gucukoglu from London writes in response to David Bates, who asked in the December 2006 issue about using a screen reader to listen to the content of websites which automatically and continuously play music. "It depends on your browser, but for Internet Explorer go to 'tools,' then 'internet options,' then the 'advanced' tab. From the scrolling listbox, find and uncheck 'play sounds.' Oh, and while you're there, turn off the downloading of pictures for an improved browsing experience." Steve Cutway, Information Access Specialist at Queen's University in Canada also responds: "Pressing the Escape key (top left corner of the keyboard) will usually stop sound playing on a website. I agree with his concerns though. When you can't see the screen and are expecting your screen reader to deliver information, loud, unnecessary sound is an unwelcome intrusion." [Further responses to inbox at headstar.com]. +08: Get Shorty: John Loader of DotSix Brailling Services in Cambridgeshire in the UK writes: "As someone who does a lot of recording for visually impaired people I am getting increasingly infuriated by the length and complexity of website addresses (URLs) that people are expected to access - great if they can copy and paste, but [difficult] if they have to type from a tape, especially when I have to say the URL in an understandable way. Here are two from a leaflet on services for disabled people I have just worked on and yes, the second is correct, despite the apparent repetition: www.eaga.co.uk/Grants%20available/warm_front.html and: www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/social/disabled/disabled/dppdaotservice.h tm ." John recommends people use automatic the free Tinyurl service at: http://tinyurl.com/ to help condense long URLs. [Responses to inbox at headstar.com]. +09: Remote Access: Jane Sellers from Surrey in the UK writes: "When are we going to see an accessible remote control for the DVD player or DVD recorder? I have a normal DVD player and recorder, but I have trouble using the handset as it is not really for someone blind like me." [Responses to inbox at headstar.com]. +10: Scripts Search: IT Disability Support Officer Barbara Denton from Birkbeck College in the UK writes for advice on using the software application Student Information System (SITS) for educational establishments to manage student data. She writes: "Does anyone use JAWS with SITS? We are considering buying a new Accessibility Management Module for the SITS student database currently used at our University. It will be designed to store relevant information such as exam provisions and what lecturers can do to help. "This module is currently being developed by Tribal group, and they have been to our University to do some initial testing with JAWS. We wonder if we are going over ground already covered by someone else. We would love to know if there is anyone out there using JAWS with SITS, or if there are any JAWS scripts for SITS." [Responses to inbox at headstar.com]. +11: Problem Magnified: Andrew Day, Company Secretary of Ricability, the independent consumer research charity for older and disabled people in the UK writes: "Since upgrading my Internet Explorer to version 7, I have had problems while using Zoomtext version 8. On viewing web pages or getting search results, I find large amounts of blank screen appearing. The only way to get images to appear is to scroll up or down or highlight a section of the page to reveal text. "In addition, I am also experiencing text shadowing while using Outlook where the text of an email you have just looked at remains on the screen while going into another one. These are problems I have never experienced and are very annoying as there have been occasions when I have not had all the information on a web page showing and have missed bits. I am very curious to know if anyone else has had similar difficulties and can offer any solutions. I am very tempted to simply try to revert to the previous version of Explorer." [Responses to inbox at headstar.com]. [Inbox ends] ++Section Three: Focus - Educational Games. +12: Sticky By Name, Sticky By Nature by Mel Poluck. Audio and other accessible games for the blind have been around for some time and many have a loyal following. But although they could provide the ideal medium to engage children while learning, they are rarely used in the classroom. Very soon that may be set to change however, with the launch of BBC Jam's new accessible learning materials: a set of online, fun and compelling games for learning National Curriculum topics, some of which were showcased for the first time last week at BETT, the world's largest conference on educational technology. Sonic Science, to name one of these resources, aimed at vision impaired and sighted children of around seven years old, is a game using graphics and speech output for learning about Physics, providing teachers and pupils with a lesson about pressure. Using stereo sound and the directional keys - and peppered with puns perhaps only children could appreciate - the player, in the form of protagonist Harris Hotle must 'push' a cart by holding down the 'up' key for the correct amount of time before releasing to hit another cart at just the right speed so as not to cause a nasty accident. A talking power meter speaks the results to players. "Usually people create resources then try to make it accessible. We're trying to work out something that will work for a lot more children," Jonathan Hassell told delegates at BETT. But this development phase hasn't always been easy, particularly as far as Maths and Science-themed games are concerned. "How do you visualise an abstract concept? That was the challenge," said Hassell. One aspect of the project Hassell and his team have found particularly tough was creating literacy materials for vision impaired pupils he said. "It's different for them - they always have to have someone to give them feedback." Despite this daunting challenge, the team has devised 'Benjamin's House,' named after its narrator, British poet Benjamin Zephaniah, which lets blind children develop Braille reading and writing skills as they explore Zephaniah's virtual house. Using his vivid poems, he introduces us to rooms and objects in his home including the hoover, a spider and even well-known literary characters such as Dr Zeus, who happens to be in the sauna at the time. The whole game, which was tested among schoolchildren in Surrey, England, is replete with sound effects, activities and stories. "We're trying to produce materials children can use on their own," Hassell said, although notes for teachers and parents will be available. And these resources encourage learning outside of the classroom too as users will be able to log in from any computer and everything previously created can be accessed again. The Jam team have received assistance on accessible gaming by the Bartim?us Accessibility Foundation in the Netherlands where developers have created such games as Demor ( http://www.demor.nl/ ) which uses Global Positioning System (GPS) and 3D sound to guide players around a large physical area in which the game takes place. Throughout Jam's development, learners with various disabilities have been considered, including hearing impaired pupils who will soon have access to a literacy game whose animated characters use British Sign Language. "We can do something a lot of companies are afraid to do - take into account children with all kinds of needs," Hassell told delegates. All materials will be available for free, since the entire project was funded by BBC licence-payers, although the downside of this is that materials will not be available for users beyond the UK, although Hassell said this could change in future. "People in other countries who've seen what we've done are desperate for this," he said. "We're re-imagining everything that happens in computer games," said Hassell. "We're re-inventing computer games for people that may have never used them before." NOTE: BBC Jam's accessible games for learning go live in March. ++Section Four: Profile - Chris Hofstader +13: Software For Everyone. by Mel Poluck Before he took up the position of Vice President of Software Engineering at US assistive technology company Freedom Scientific, in between touring with his punk band the Corporate Pigs, developing computer software that blind people could use was just a hobby for Chris Hofstader. Now, he has set to work on creating his own accessible software company as well as launching a website for blind and sighted programmers to share their knowledge about accessibility. Hofstader worked at Freedom Scientific, which launched world famous screen reader JAWS, for 10 years, meaning he could begin to receive a salary for something he was passionate about. "The greatest thing for me was the freedom to invent my future. I was building technology that the next day I could use myself," he told E-Access Bulletin. But it wasn't always plain sailing. He said despite being just as smart as his colleagues, he felt significantly slowed down by using a screen reader. "I reached the maximum amount of activities I could do with a screen reader." This, compounded by the fact Hofstader began to suffer from serious repetitive strain injury (RSI) and worked 80-hour weeks, resulted in his leaving the company. "I had RSI in both hands and shoulders - I was bed-ridden," he said. He takes important lessons from his time at the company on to his current ventures though. "You've always got to focus on the customer. Sometimes a company needs to be a vanguard and invent things before the customer asks for them." Hofstader says assistive technology companies around the world are far from reaching their target audience. Considering how many blind people live in India, let alone the rest of the world, a disproportionate amount of screen readers have been sold, he said. "The assistive technology industry has not done its job. It's not scratched the surface of [the market] it hopes to attract." He said the assistive technology industry's downfall is "not listening to science" and believes they should have much more contact with universities, something he is putting into practice himself through his own recently-launched accessible software company Ad Lib Technology. The company's aim is to design software, and possibly hardware in future, based on the principles of universal design. In case things got too quiet, he and his team are working on developing three products. "We're making a GPS product as useful for pedestrians with a guide dog [lead] in one hand and groceries in the other as it will be for a woman putting on her make-up while driving." The software will be designed to be used on handheld devices such as Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs) or mobile phones. Another device he is working on is a handheld barcode scanner that "reads" aloud product data on household items. The scanner tells the user what an object is, for example a CD, and any relevant data about it, so the songs on the track listing, for example. Similarly, it could read the cooking instructions on a bag of frozen peas. Hofstader envisages the product will be on the market for 300 to 400 dollars - undercutting an existing Freedom Scientific scanner by over 500 dollars. He did not want to share details of his third product under development with E-Access Bulletin, but he did say it is the first of its kind for the low-vision market. Besides setting up Ad Lib Technology, Hofstader's other new endeavour is the website Hofstader.com ( http://www.hofstader.com/ ), a hub for sharing knowledge on accessible technology. For this he has gathered together a group of volunteer programmer friends, about half of whom are blind. His plans for the future for the site resonate with elements of the do-it- yourself ethic of the Punk scene Hofstader was once part of. "I want the volunteers to take over and make it their thing. I'm just the catalyst to get things started." Everything Hofstader and his team produce will be available as open source versions. He sums up the premise for the new company thus: "People at large, group buyers or people buying [software] for non assistive-technology purposes, they don't want to have to go to a website with some civil rights nonsense. We like to say we don't make software for blind people; we're blind people that make software for everyone." [Section Four ends]. ++Special Notice: Web Accessibility Forum. Accessify Forum is a discussion forum devoted to all topics relating to web accessibility. Topics cover everything from 'Beginners' and 'Site building and testing' through to projects such as the new accessibility testing tool WaiZilla and the accessibility of the open source forum software itself. All you need to register is a working email address, so come along and join in the fun at: http://www.accessifyforum.com . [Special notice ends]. ++Special Notice: Braille Translations. Braille Translations provides a fast, cost-effective, high quality service of translating any document into Braille. We are able to provide Braille menus, public leaflets and business cards in Braille and help make you compliant with the Disability Discrimination Act. We can translate from large print, audio tape or audio CD. We can also help with premises accessibility including Braille Tactile Signs for toilets and other doors. All work is proof-read before dispatch and we are able to provide an express 24-hour service. Please call our offices for an immediate quotation or for further information on Freephone number 08000 190 946; Mobile: 07903 996533; email ghow at brailletranslations.co.uk or see: http://www.brailletranslations.co.uk . ++End Notes. +How to Receive the Bulletin. 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Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From ivan at itrundle.com Thu Jan 25 16:52:36 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:52:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: <45B7F0D6.7030400@iimetro.com.au> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> <20070121215726.6A2659939@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <20070124223217.2F68413D97@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> <45B7F0D6.7030400@iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <39C07383-A04E-4061-87AD-BCBB42CB1152@itrundle.com> On 25/01/2007, at 10:50 AM, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > Tom Worthington wrote: >> Instead we need people architecting information. > > Tom, what do you mean by "architecting information"? > > The term "architect" in the context of Information Systems has been > grossly overused and now describes almost anything you want it to > mean. > > "architecting information" in the context of website design really > needs some explaining so that we know what you mean. > "Architecting information": jargon for drawing the site plan, with references to where content should reside. (2 cents) -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From ivan at itrundle.com Thu Jan 25 17:01:43 2007 From: ivan at itrundle.com (Ivan Trundle) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:01:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Australian Government Web Accessibility Audit Findings, Canberra, 18 January 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070124223217.2F68413D97@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> References: <7.0.1.0.0.20070108163523.01b88578@tomw.net.au> <20070121215726.6A2659939@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> <20070124223217.2F68413D97@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <617F25A1-4B2C-462F-8616-468E0B04D8B8@itrundle.com> On 24/01/2007, at 8:37 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: > >>> Alexi emphasized the need to educate the customers about the >>> benefits of using standards ... >> >> Yes, the last thing that we need is for designers to design - far >> too dangerous. ... > > Sarcasm aside, I am with Alexi on this one. Too much time is wasted > making pretty web pages, instead of making sure the content is > correct. I am consulted on web designs where there are lots of > pretty images and layout, but they forgot to include the name of > the organisation, or say what the product was. The problem is that > graphic designers think they can design web pages. Instead we need > people architecting information. Ideally we should be able to let > the graphic designers design graphics without being able to change > the actual web design. That way they could do less harm. And the corollary is true: there are 'information architects' who think that they can design web pages, and the results are often as bad as over-designed arty sites. I'm not here to defend graphic artists, but let's not confuse site structure with web design, or site navigation with design. The role of graphic designers is important, because they have training in matters which often escape computer professionals. There's a fine balance between form and function, and if it were otherwise, the web would be a boring (and underused) place to be. > >> Or to have senior executives having any control ... > > The senior executives should not trouble themselves (meddle in) the > details of the web design and should leave it to experts. Of course > those experts have to be able to defend the details of their design. I wasn't suggesting this: your initial comment implied that they shouldn't be able to play a part in the development of a website except at the initial idea phase. Yet their expertise is often in areas that the designers/architects/ plumbers/computer people have no idea about, or no understanding. I have no problems with senior executives being involved in any part of website creation (and not just design), because I firmly believe that their stewardship and ownership are as valid as anyone else in the business, and more likely more so. Websites aren't sacrosanct, and certainly no more than any other communication device or marketing tool etc. iT -- Ivan Trundle http://itrundle.com ivan at itrundle.com ph: +61 (0)418 244 259 fx: +61 (0)2 6286 8742 skype: callto://ivanovitchk From stephen at melbpc.org.au Thu Jan 25 23:14:34 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:14:34 GMT Subject: [LINK] China and the Net Message-ID: <20070125121434.AE0B016267@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> Hi there, If anyone doubts the speed with which China is embracing the 'western capitalistic philosophy' (and even with respect to advertising) consider the following email. Alibaba.com is China's foremost B2B trading site, and, the only business to feature Australia Day in any email directly to moi in what one supposes is their first spam to customers (in my experience). I bet China's going to catch-up (over-take) re the net real quick: Unfortunately, for me, I also read a blog-site in India where-in the writer asserts that for China the North-West Cape area of Aussie will be an almost irresistible target for their 'quick-and-dirty' nukes in future because of the resources and near-zero population there. And even more so if climate changes favour WA, and not China :-( Who knows? But it certainly seemed to make much sense to him. Anyway, at 01:24 PM 25/01/2007, Alibaba.com wrote: We invite you to take our Australia Day quiz! In the first of many country celebrations, we are promoting Australia to coincide with Australia Day, held on January 26th every year. Simply answer 10 short questions testing your Australia knowledge and you'll be entered into a draw to win a pair of Plantronics PC headphones. Take our quiz now! You can also share your experiences or learn more by: Posting your comments in our Business Travel Forum Reading about Australia in our Country Profiles Happy Australia Day from Alibaba.com! Sincerely, Alibaba.com alibaba at alibaba-inc.com -- Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From stephen at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 26 01:39:18 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:39:18 GMT Subject: [LINK] China and the Net Message-ID: <20070125143918.1FC2016267@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> At 11:45 PM 25/01/2007, Howard writes: >> If anyone doubts the speed with which China is embracing >> the 'western capitalistic philosophy' (and even with respect >> to advertising) consider the following email. Alibaba.com is >> China's foremost B2B trading site .. Hm .. mea culpa .. a year ago Alibaba was the largest China/West b2b website, now Google finds 2 million hits on 'b2b China' (though Alibaba is still on the page one) such is the growth of China-net. >> writer asserts that for China the North-West Cape area of Aussie >> will be an almost irresistible target for their 'quick-and-dirty' nukes >> in future because of the resources and near-zero population there. >> And even more so if climate changes favour WA, and not China :-( > > I've seen maps of Australia with the northern half labelled "South Irian". One guesses India would have the capacity to take and hold NW WA if they wanted to also. Obviously weather is going to change geo-political boundaries .. as much through humanitarian necessity as anything else. Cheers Howard Stephen Loosley Victoria, Australia Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Fri Jan 26 09:04:43 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:04:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Spectrum allocation In-Reply-To: <200701251441.l0PEf9GQ011965@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Russell wrote > > its an attempt by the SMA's > political masters to block spectrum from use by competition to the media > barons and thus preclude others from mining into "their meager" > advertising revenue. ...Oh ... You are such a cynic, Russell! Surely you aren't suggesting that the media proprietors can hold such sway over Liberal and Labor politicians ? Or that Liberal and Labor politicians can hold such sway over spectrum management bureaucrats ? -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Fri Jan 26 11:08:16 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:08:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] China and the Net In-Reply-To: <45B8A67A.7020703@lannet.com.au> References: <20070125121434.AE0B016267@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> <45B8A67A.7020703@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On 25/01/2007, at 11:45 PM, Howard Lowndes wrote: > I've seen maps of Australia with the northern half labelled "South > Irian". Years ago I saw a map which had Israel extending down to the South African border labeled "Greater Israel". I think it was after whatever the latest Arab-Israeli was at the time. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Fri Jan 26 11:15:25 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:15:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] China and the Net In-Reply-To: <45B8A67A.7020703@lannet.com.au> References: <20070125121434.AE0B016267@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> <45B8A67A.7020703@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <5DE7191C-D140-4B32-BCDB-C614C1DC42B7@tony-barry.emu.id.au> On 25/01/2007, at 11:45 PM, Howard Lowndes wrote: > I've seen maps of Australia with the northern half labelled "South > Irian". About 35 years ago I was chatting with the then federal member for seat of Brisbane and he told me a story about a conversation he had had with the Indonesia Ambassador. They were discussing tension between Australia and Indonesia and public perceptions that Indonesia was a military threat. Apparently he said something like - "Sure we could invade Australia. We could capture Darwin - and maybe hold it for a day". Such adventures requires a blue water navy. India has a significant navy now and China is building one but in China's case it is Taiwan and the US they have in mind. Indonesia doesn't. Tony phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 26 11:38:26 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:38:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Telstra targets 11 rivals in constitutional challenge Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070126112540.021935c8@mail.ah.net> I have SOOO been waiting for this to happen. I knew it was going to. I didn't think it was going to be so fast though. See whilst Telstra was 51% owned by Government the Constitution prevents the Government owning a business that makes a profit from being unequal and unfair in the market against private enterprise. (One of the reasons the old Government Printer eventually shut down - hard to compete with modern technology updates and massive private printing business.) Anyway, now that Telstra is no longer owned by the Government (aka the Australian People) it is no longer any different to that of Optus, Adam Internet, or any other person in the game.. In fact it's exactly the same and equal. So constitutionally, why should there be any regulation that differs Telstra from any other private company in the market? Is that fair? Would you like your business to have Regulations that restricted it's ability to trade, conduct business, set prices. Set prices! My goodness! Look at the fuel industry! But who's going to get into bed with Telstra when Telstra needs no one! The only hope here is for the Government to remove the Regulations that are bound in Law in relation to Telstra and give the relevant powers to the ACCC under Trade Practices. But that won't help the local loop issue, as Telstra has it's control over those resources and will not be letting anyone have a shot without forking out the megabucks to prevent adequate competition. The problem here is that the Laws in relation to cables and cable runs will now have to be relaxed too. The old "500 meter rule" will have to go, as will the rules preventing or restricting business from running cables for communications. It would be unfair of the Government to allow Telstra to be the only entity allowed to legally run a comms link without batting an eye and restricting everyone else - right? So Telstra won't be too unhappy about giving up the private running of cables and wireless links against the relaxing of the regulations that it says restricts it. Telstra targets 11 rivals in constitutional challenge * Email * Print * Normal font * Large font Matt O'Sullivan January 26, 2007 Other related coverage * Telstra pins hopes on High Court * Telstra may be happy to lose court battle but win war * Elizabeth Knight: Sol and Phil keep on battling, dreamin' or not * Telstra takes ACCC battle to the High Court * Telstra jumped broadband gun: rivals AdvertisementAdvertisement TELSTRA'S constitutional challenge against the competition regulator in the High Court has also targeted 11 of its telecommunications rivals including Optus, Macquarie Telecom and Powertel. In its ongoing campaign against regulation, Telstra has posted letters informing competitors it is suing them and that it will be demanding the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission suspend arbitrations which have set the prices rivals have to pay to use its telephone networks. Telstra emphasised at a briefing on Wednesday morning when it announced the legal action that it would guarantee its rivals access to its copper-wire network at existing prices while the case is under way. But in the letter sent to competitors late on Wednesday it warned that "Telstra reserves all its rights in relation to the supply of [unbundled local loop] and [line sharing services] if it is successful in the proceedings". A date is yet to be set for the trial but Telstra has admitted the case could take up to two years to reach a resolution at a cost to itself of about $1 million. As of last night, the ACCC had not received Telstra's demands to suspend arbitrations relating to access to its copper-wire networks. In documents lodged with the High Court late on Wednesday, Telstra named the other defendants as Primus, Amcom, Chime Communications, XYZed, Request Broadband, NEC Australia, Adam Internet and Agile. Macquarie Telecom's regulatory chief, Matt Healy, said on Thursday that Telstra's legal action was aimed at creating uncertainty in order to stop competitors' rollout of infrastructure using the incumbent telecom's network. "It's about dragging everyone in this industry through the courts and raising the uncertainty. This is part of Telstra's tactic to divert our resources," he said. A Telstra spokesman, Rod Bruem, said the wholesale agreements would remain unchanged until the case was resolved but "then, of course, it will need to be a renegotiation after the outcome". "If it went Telstra's way and these prices don't allow Telstra to recover costs there is the potential for a big payment there," he said on Thursday. The arbitrations "from Telstra's perspective" were also on hold while the legal proceeding were under way, he said. The challenge in the High Court is viewed as a sign Telstra is desperate to pressure the Federal Government to relent on rules about the prices it can charge rivals for access to its phone lines. A senior Nationals MP, Paul Neville, said on Thursday that he did not believe the Government should make concessions to Telstra on regulation. From link at todd.inoz.com Fri Jan 26 11:44:17 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:44:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Even not with Telstra you are paying too much Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070126114106.04d56ef0@mail.ah.net> The High Court action follows the ACCC last month issuing an interim decision which cut the monthly fee Telstra can charge for its line-sharing service from up to $9 to $3.20. The regulator has also set a monthly fee per line of $17.70 for rivals to access about 70 per cent of Telstra's lines, down from an average of $22. So the $32.90 a month one pays for ones line rental is too much! And look at that! $3.20 and you can have your DSL without a phone line rental to boot! Now that's gotta help the VoIP providers! What? You're still paying Telstra rates with other providers. Well they too have to make a massive profit from your telecommunications! From rw at firstpr.com.au Fri Jan 26 13:13:58 2007 From: rw at firstpr.com.au (Robin Whittle) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:13:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Mobile phone use and risk of glioma in 5 North European countries Message-ID: <45B963E6.5020107@firstpr.com.au> I have an electronic copy of the article: Mobile phone use and risk of glioma in 5 North European countries Anna Lahkola et al. Abstract: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/114072761/ The find no significant correlation between cellphone usage and the incidence of gliomas, except for a subset of people (77) who have been using cellphones for more than 10 years, on one side of the head, and who have a glioma on that side. These figures suggest a 39% increase in risk of glioma for that subset. How widespread was GSM before 1996 in Europe? I would have thought it was only just being introduced then. I guess that this subset of people who said they had been using a cellphone for more than 10 years were probably not using GSM in those earlier years. The survey ignores low power cordless and DECT phones. They distinguish between "analog" and "digital" phones, but I this is not very helpful. Part of the problem is interviewing people and trying to discern a potentially 10 year history of using various kinds of phone, when most people have little idea or recollection as to whether it was AMPS, GSM, CDMA, 3G with GSM fall-back etc. - and there are two major flavours of 3G and a variety of radio frequency ranges. One thing which I think should be considered is GSM phones, which transmit in 0.577 ms pulses with a 4.615 ms period (~217 Hz). http://www.techmind.org/gsm/ http://www.edn.com/article/CA498768.html During most conversations the power is low, assuming the base-station is not too far away. However, at times, the transmitter uses full power and this draws a significant current, also in these brief pulses, from the battery. This leads to strong changing magnetic fields. In the past, I have been able to observe these low frequency (217Hz and its harmonics 434Hz etc.) simply by holding the GSM phone to the screen of a CRT monitor, and turning it on. The magnetic field would deflect the electron beams so the whole picture shook millimetres or centimetres. I tried it now with a 21" Trinitron monitor - the same phone but a different monitor from what I used in the past - and I wasn't able to see any effect. CDMA, 3G and analogue phones would have continual moderate current drain from the battery. Only a GSM phone (or a 3G phone falling back to GSM) would draw these pulses of current and so create both a strong and a changing magnetic field. I think this field should not be ignored as a potential cause of health problems. Many people now use a flip-out phone, with the antenna an inch or so away from their head. Although the whole phone radiates RF, I guess that this is better than the original single body designs where the antenna was typically resting against the head. The low frequency magnetic field emanation from a GSM phone would be much the same for a flip-out phone as a single-body one. I am still using a chunky old GSM Nokia 7110 from 2000, with a wired microphone and earpiece. The cable goes through a clip-on ferrite inductor for Justin - Just In Case. The phone works fine, and is still on its original battery, but I don't use it a lot. - Robin From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Fri Jan 26 17:56:59 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:56:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] POSSIBLE SPAM (SCORE=37.09) - Muslix64 cracks Blu-ray copy protection Message-ID: <45B9A63B.3060509@hunterlink.net.au> The movie moguls must be very upset. "Just one month after rocking the movie world with a neat little sidestep for HD-DVD copy protection , the hacker has applied his expertise to bypassing the protection features on Blu-ray." -- David Boxall | When a distinguished but elderly | scientist states that something is | possible, he is almost certainly | right. When he states that | something is impossible, he is | very probably wrong. --Arthur C. Clarke From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Fri Jan 26 19:02:57 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:02:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] mobile recycling [from: RE: vip-l: Orange CDMA phones and Telstra Next G information] Message-ID: <5ii197$28scfp@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Given the recent discussion about recycling tech items: >Then checking the pages from Australia radio button reveals several hits, >the most likely couple being the link > >MobileMuster - Official recycling program of the mobile phone industry > >This takes you to the site: >http://www.amta.org.au/aoi.asp?ID=Recycling > >Then the link > >Another link that comes up on the same search is: >www.mobilephonerecycling.com.au/ > Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From rick at praxis.com.au Fri Jan 26 19:08:50 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:08:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > I have had a laptop stolen...which makes me a bit wary of storing > anything on one. I would also be reticent to use a public computer or > even one in a workplace - but then as I said, I don't use Internet or > Telephone banking. How secure do Linkers feel about toting a laptop around with sensitive/personal data on the hard drive? Personally, I ensure I encrypt the directories that need protecting, i.e. my home directory, using AES encryption. Being a Windows agnostic these days, I do not know if this capability is available on Win/XP. It is trivial to do on Max OS X, and quite easy using Linux or other *nixes. One option on Win/XP would be to ensure all data is read/written from/to an encrypted memory stick, which BTW also uses AES. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Law-abiding citizens value privacy. Terrorists require invisibility. The two are not the same, and they should not be confused. -- Richard Perle From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Fri Jan 26 19:27:42 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:27:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) Message-ID: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davos07/2007/01/the_internet_is_doomed.shtml The internet is doomed * Tim Weber * 25 Jan 07, 12:09 PM Folks, the internet is doomed, will you all please form an orderly queue for the exit I have just got out of a session on the future of the internet, with an incredibly strong panel: the ?father? of the internet, Vint Cerf, who co-developed TCP/IP, that?s the internet protocol; Michael Dell (guess what business he is in); Hamadoun Toure, the secretary general of the International Telecommunication Union; New York Times technology writer John Markoff; and Jon Zittrain, professor for internet governance at Oxford University. Ok, I tricked you. We are not quite doomed yet. But these guys are deeply worried about security on the internet. We are not talking about tiddly-winks like a stolen credit card number here or a dodgy online retailer there. Malicious hackers and criminals are controlling more and more computers in this world, bringing them together to form botnets, which allow them to attack websites and commit online fraud on a massive scale. This is not new, I hear you shout. Yes, it?s a known threat. But the numbers I heard today are staggering. According to Vint Cerf, of the 600 million computers that are connected to the internet, up to 150 million are part of botnets, and in most cases the owners of these computers have not the slightest idea what their little beige friend in the study is up to. [link to full story at end of this bit at the URL above] Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Fri Jan 26 20:49:05 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] POSSIBLE SPAM (SCORE=33.67) - Microsoft Violates Wikipedia's Sacred Rule Message-ID: <45B9CE91.9040502@hunterlink.net.au> Naughty! Software Giant Offered Blogger Money To Change Postings On Encyclopedia Web Site Sorry if the subject line's a bit of a mess. My ISP still hasn't tamed their new SPAM filter. -- David Boxall | My figures are just as good | as any other figures. | I make them up myself, and they | always give me innocent pleasure. | --HL Mencken From eleanor at pacific.net.au Fri Jan 26 20:59:19 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:59:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45B9D0F7.1030108@pacific.net.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> I have had a laptop stolen...which makes me a bit wary of storing >> anything on one. I would also be reticent to use a public computer or >> even one in a workplace - but then as I said, I don't use Internet or >> Telephone banking. > > How secure do Linkers feel about toting a laptop around with > sensitive/personal data on the hard drive? > > Personally, I ensure I encrypt the directories that need protecting, > i.e. my home directory, using AES encryption. > > Being a Windows agnostic these days, I do not know if this capability > is available on Win/XP. It is trivial to do on Max OS X, and quite > easy using Linux or other *nixes. > > One option on Win/XP would be to ensure all data is read/written > from/to an encrypted memory stick, which BTW also uses AES. > > cheers > rickw > > > my solution is to secure shell login to my server from wherever my laptop is, and my password is not stored on hardware or firmware, but remembered in wetware. handy to keep email on my server up to date, any items i need locally i can forward to my laptop, or sftp for big items. very useful at conferences. and i never keep anything important on the laptop. regards, EK ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From rick at praxis.com.au Sat Jan 27 11:30:58 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:30:58 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <45BA9D42.2060509@praxis.com.au> Jan Whitaker wrote: > According to Vint Cerf, of the 600 million computers that are connected > to the internet, up to 150 million are part of botnets, and in most > cases the owners of these computers have not the slightest idea what > their little beige friend in the study is up to. AFAIK, each and every one of those 'puters is running Windows. Technological solution is simple (bypass legislators!!!!): Ban all Windows boxes on the Internet. Since 25% of the (zombie) boxes on the Internet are causing 80%+ of the spam (as reported by ABC-RN interview with Chris Leug a while back) and these same computers are used to distribute child porn, phishing scams and launch DDos attacks, the Internet would become a much safer and user-friendly place sans Windows. It is really that simple. Of course, economics and market forces would prevent such a technological crusade from ever taking hold, now wouldn't they? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Law-abiding citizens value privacy. Terrorists require invisibility. The two are not the same, and they should not be confused. -- Richard Perle From marghanita at ramin.com.au Sat Jan 27 12:12:23 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:12:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45BAA6F7.5030506@ramin.com.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > One option on Win/XP would be to ensure all data is read/written > from/to an encrypted memory stick, which BTW also uses AES. Physically separating [and securing] your data from the computer sounds like a useful idea even on Linux. The problem would be to ensure you have configured your software correctly and to take good care of the memory stick. You need to do a risk assessment. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From eric.scheid at ironclad.net.au Sat Jan 27 13:09:25 2007 From: eric.scheid at ironclad.net.au (Eric Scheid) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:09:25 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <45BAA700.70506@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On 27/1/07 12:12 PM, "Howard Lowndes" wrote: >> Ban all Windows boxes on the Internet. >> >> Since 25% of the (zombie) boxes on the Internet are causing 80%+ >> of the spam (as reported by ABC-RN interview with Chris Leug a while >> back) and these same computers are used to distribute child porn, >> phishing scams and launch DDos attacks, the Internet would become >> a much safer and user-friendly place sans Windows. >> >> It is really that simple. >> >> Of course, economics and market forces would prevent such a >> technological crusade from ever taking hold, now wouldn't they? > > Not only that, but inter-jurisdictional priorities will ensure that it > doesn't happen. Alternatively, those with a mandate and a monopoly (eg. govt) could require client certificates for accessing their websites, at least the transactional areas (eg. lodging tax returns). Not a solution so far, but victory in chess comes one move at a time... then extend the need for certs to all general browsing of these sites, and then require PCs to be subjected to some kind of virus/zombie check before a cert will be issued. Probably lots of things really wrong with that plan, considering I gave it all of 10 seconds thought. e. From mail at ozzmosis.com Sat Jan 27 19:09:05 2007 From: mail at ozzmosis.com (andrew clarke) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:09:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <45BA9D42.2060509@praxis.com.au> References: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> <45BA9D42.2060509@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <20070127080905.GA66460@ozzmosis.com> On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 11:30:58AM +1100, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Ban all Windows boxes on the Internet. How would you enforce it? ISPs generally don't seem to be very interested in removing their customers' compromised Windows boxes. Also, do you suggest banning all Windows boxes that are behind a Linux/BSD firewall, or NAT router? I don't think anyone will take such a suggestion very seriously. From kim.holburn at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 20:16:24 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:16:24 +0100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <45BA9D42.2060509@praxis.com.au> References: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> <45BA9D42.2060509@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <304400D0-94E4-4357-BE2B-8B031266D236@gmail.com> On 2007/Jan/27, at 1:30 AM, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Jan Whitaker wrote: >> According to Vint Cerf, of the 600 million computers that are >> connected to the internet, up to 150 million are part of botnets, >> and in most cases the owners of these computers have not the >> slightest idea what their little beige friend in the study is up to. > > AFAIK, each and every one of those 'puters is running Windows. > Technological solution is simple (bypass legislators!!!!): > > Ban all Windows boxes on the Internet. > > Since 25% of the (zombie) boxes on the Internet are causing 80%+ > of the spam (as reported by ABC-RN interview with Chris Leug a while > back) and these same computers are used to distribute child porn, > phishing scams and launch DDos attacks, the Internet would become > a much safer and user-friendly place sans Windows. > > It is really that simple. > > Of course, economics and market forces would prevent such a > technological crusade from ever taking hold, now wouldn't they? Well, I don't think you could do that because most people wouldn't be able to use their computers on the internet, but what you could do is get websites to not accept IE. Especially if there were any kind of business transaction involved. Suggest they come back to the site with a secure browser, say opera, firefox etc. This could be done today. Kim -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 28 07:58:24 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:58:24 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45BAA6F7.5030506@ramin.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <45BAA6F7.5030506@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <45BBBCF0.8040205@praxis.com.au> Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > Rick Welykochy wrote: > >> One option on Win/XP would be to ensure all data is read/written >> from/to an encrypted memory stick, which BTW also uses AES. > > Physically separating [and securing] your data from the computer sounds > like a useful idea even on Linux. > > The problem would be to ensure you have configured your software > correctly and to take good care of the memory stick. > > You need to do a risk assessment. Risk: you have the encrypted USB stick but have no PC. Will a "locum" PC have the correct software to do the decryption functions in order to read the stick or does the stick itself provide such software Risk: you lose the stick - is the encryption strong enough to protect the data; a weak password can compromise the stick Risk: you yank the stick out of the PC before properly unmounting it; this can corrupt the data format and ruin the data *IF* you can encrypt your home directory and then keep all your data in that home directory, I think that you are quite safe travelling with a PC. Here is one example that got me: I stored encrypted data on my iPod and went traveling. When I plugged the iPod into a friend's PC in Germany, the data could not be read. I forgot that the file system used on the iPod was HFS for the Mac and that Windows cannot read such a file system. In this case there is no good solution since the Mac forces you to use the HFS file system when the iPod is connected to a Mac. The same problem does not occur with memory sticks since they all use the FAT32 file system, even Macs. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Can omniscient God, who knows the future, find The omnipotence to change His future mind? -- Karen Owens From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 28 08:06:10 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:06:10 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <304400D0-94E4-4357-BE2B-8B031266D236@gmail.com> References: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> <45BA9D42.2060509@praxis.com.au> <304400D0-94E4-4357-BE2B-8B031266D236@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BBBEC2.8040305@praxis.com.au> Kim Holburn wrote: >> Since 25% of the (zombie) boxes on the Internet are causing 80%+ >> of the spam (as reported by ABC-RN interview with Chris Leug a while >> back) and these same computers are used to distribute child porn, >> phishing scams and launch DDos attacks, the Internet would become >> a much safer and user-friendly place sans Windows. >> >> It is really that simple. >> >> Of course, economics and market forces would prevent such a >> technological crusade from ever taking hold, now wouldn't they? > > Well, I don't think you could do that because most people wouldn't be > able to use their computers on the internet, but what you could do is > get websites to not accept IE. Especially if there were any kind of > business transaction involved. Suggest they come back to the site with > a secure browser, say opera, firefox etc. This could be done today. Banning IE does not address the root of the problem: the flakey operating system itself. In reality, the opposite is happening with frightening frequency on the net: "You are using an incompatible browser. This site works only with Intern Explorer. You can download it here." You know the drill. OTOH there are a few good sites out there that actually direct hapless IE users to try out Firefox. Long may such sites and ideas survive. My original suggestion of banning Windows from the Internet is impractical and unenforceable. Yes, if the technological will were there it could be done: TCP/IP streams often contain "fingerprints" of which operating system is in use, but who would implement such a ban? If only all those zombies (150 MILLION+) could be used for the good of mankind. Sigh. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services Can omniscient God, who knows the future, find The omnipotence to change His future mind? -- Karen Owens From jwhit at janwhitaker.com Sun Jan 28 08:36:20 2007 From: jwhit at janwhitaker.com (Jan Whitaker) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:36:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Myspace 'safety' Message-ID: <5ii197$29a50q@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> [Notes from a story on Sunday] Myspace issues 5 families suing Myspace; girls say they were sexually assaulted by men they met online myspace lacks the security protections to protect young children As a result the company is: installing monitoring software issuing amber alerts about missing children (amber alert is a US thing for missing kids) still saying it's a shared responsibility with parents all the accused sex offenders have been charged, 2 are serving sentences. I guess that means meatspace law does work. Jan Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au Sun Jan 28 09:08:42 2007 From: Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au (Roger Clarke) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:08:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista is Expensive Message-ID: [Peter Gutmann is a well-known and highly-reputed crypto whizz] A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection Peter Gutmann, pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html Executive Summary Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order to provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically HD data from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability, technical support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This document analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry. -- Roger Clarke http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/ Xamax Consultancy Pty Ltd 78 Sidaway St, Chapman ACT 2611 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6288 1472, and 6288 6916 mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au http://www.xamax.com.au/ Visiting Professor in Info Science & Eng Australian National University Visiting Professor in the eCommerce Program University of Hong Kong Visiting Professor in the Cyberspace Law & Policy Centre Uni of NSW From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 28 10:01:16 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:01:16 +1100 Subject: [LINK] MD5 cracking Message-ID: <45BBD9BC.3010802@praxis.com.au> The MD5 sum is a digest of a chunk of digital data, such as a file, that supposedly uniquely indentifies the file, i.e. like a checksum. If you receive a copy of a file and its calculated MD5 does not match the published MD5, you can be sure the file has been tampered with. We have know for a while now that the MD5 digest is insecure, i.e. it is now possible to make changes to a file such that its MD5 matches a desired (bogus) MD5. I ran across this site today: http://milw0rm.com/cracker/list.php As they say, it's "in the wild". The web page provides a service to crack MD5 digests. Sigh. I mention this because practically all software we download is cross-checked and vetted against its MD5 digest, and nothing more secure. This implies that updates from Winders, downloads of FOSS etc.etc. could easily be compromised if the desire to do so is there. And it is probably only a matter of time before a jacked/hacked but secure-looking version of software product XYZ is released on the 'Net. The suggested replacement digest is SHA-1, but there are worries that it too is insecure and will be cracked soon. SHA-256 and -512 look like the way to go in the future. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services It's always the enemies of freedom who find themselves, at one moment or another, most in need of it. -- Michel Houellebecq From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 28 10:17:19 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:17:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista is Expensive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BBDD7F.5080907@praxis.com.au> Roger Clarke wrote: > [Peter Gutmann is a well-known and highly-reputed crypto whizz] > > > A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection > Peter Gutmann, pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html Deja vu! http://mailman.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2007-January/071295.html It is well worth discussing the impending release of Vista. There are a number of issues we could tangentialise (!), e.g. (*) Content protection mechanisms, as mentioned in the abstract for the above article; Microsoft seems to be attempting a product-based lock-in for content provision, i.e. all major content distributors will be forced to use Vista's DRM scheme for mass distribution to PC-based systems. Can anyone say "monopoly"? I use that word since I strongly doubt that the DRM system (which is hardware software based) is "open" and "interoperable" by any definition of the word. (*) Increased system requirements, i.e. will there be a need for yet another wholesale upgrading of PC hardware across the board? (*) In a relateed vein, given increased requirements, will the big users of Microsoft software hold back on deploying Vista? There are indications that the answer is Yes. (*) Even more security holes: if their past record is anything to go by, Microsoft will be adding heaps of new features to the product without addressing existing security concerns; as has already been observed, Vista will protect Hollywood's content and yet still does not offer a secure way to access your bank account! Regarding the gotterdammerung of Windows security, it will most likely take the actual twilight of the Internet (i.e. last dying gasps) before anything is done to stop the plague of the March of the Windows Zombies. "Allowing" Vista onto the Internet without adequate independent vetting is insanity, pure and simple, imnsho. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me. -- Emo Phillips From paul.mcgowan at yawarra.com.au Sun Jan 28 12:27:43 2007 From: paul.mcgowan at yawarra.com.au (Paul McGowan - Yawarra) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:27:43 +1100 Subject: [LINK] MD5 cracking In-Reply-To: <45BBD9BC.3010802@praxis.com.au> References: <45BBD9BC.3010802@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45BC96BF.6831.5C14CDB@paul.mcgowan.yawarra.com.au> Rick postulated: > > We have know for a while now that the MD5 digest is insecure, i.e. it > is now possible to make changes to a file such that its MD5 matches > a desired (bogus) MD5. > > I ran across this site today: > > http://milw0rm.com/cracker/list.php > > As they say, it's "in the wild". The web page provides a service to > crack MD5 digests. Sigh. > > I mention this because practically all software we download is > cross-checked and vetted against its MD5 digest, and nothing more > secure. This implies that updates from Winders, downloads of > FOSS etc.etc. could easily be compromised if the desire to do so > is there. And it is probably only a matter of time before a > jacked/hacked but secure-looking version of software product XYZ is > released on the 'Net. I'm not so sure that the site you reference is a good example of the consequences you subsequently claim Rick. Though I doubt it was your intention, such claims could appear to be scaremongering. Yes, it has been shown that collisions in MD5 are possible and have been demonstrated. That, however, is not the same as being able to make arbitrary changes to a downloadable file. The page you reference appears (to me) to demonstrate that MD5 _password_ digests have been cracked successfully. How they (milw0rm) do this, we don't really know, but given the size of the passwords I would have thought that a distributed attack was fairly likely (try every combo). Moreover, if the site has access to a large number of bots, then the generation of a rainbow table would also seem to be a possibility. The consequences of this however, are not necessairly that any software downloaded and checksummed using MD5 is now untrustable, just that a password file (or the shadow file) can now be attacked in much the same way as its predecessors which used lesser hashes. Say, for example that I demonstrate that I can create a file that hashes to the same thing as the latest Firefox download. In itself, this would be a useful crytographic result, and probably qualify me highly (I can't, btw). However, this would not be the same as being able to create executable, malicious, and similar size code. Those constraints make the task much, much harder. What the milw0rm site demonstrates is not even the first part. They can take an MD5 digest and extract the *very short* string that was used to create it (some of the time). That's all... Regards, Paul McGowan ----------------------------- Yawarra Information Appliances Pty Ltd http://www.yawarra.com.au/ Tel: 1300 859 799 / (03) 9800 2261 Fax: (03) 9800 2279 PO Box 606, Boronia VIC 3155 From brd at iimetro.com.au Sun Jan 28 13:48:00 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:48:00 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Spies like us: we never walk alone Message-ID: <45BC0EE0.2050806@iimetro.com.au> A question to the list:- There's a big difference between gathering and using. It seems to me that a whole lot of effort is required to track an individual (in the case of murder investigations, for example). Is Joe Six-pack really at risk? Can the informed reduce the potential risk? There's a lot of systems out there that gather info on us. What's the evidence that is it being used only for other than its intended purpose? Spies like us: we never walk alone Elisabeth Wynhausen exposes the watchers exposing you January 27, 2007 The Australian http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21123717-28737,00.html If you have the bad judgment or the bad luck to give evidence in a court case, you may lose more than your good name. Once the case is finished, court files are open to the public more often than not, even if the files contain the bank statements, financial records, medical information, birthdates and addresses that witnesses produced in court. Soon this information may be available at the click of a computer mouse. In some countries you can search court records on the internet, and there is talk of adopting the system in Australia, despite a flagrant breach of privacy in the US, where some information from court records was used for data matching and direct marketing by dating companies and nappy manufacturers. But you don't have to be in court or under investigation by the police to have the details of your personal life, preferences and peccadilloes spread out like baubles on a blanket for the delectation of anyone who cares to take a peek. Meanwhile, the Howard Government is starting to set up the clanking machinery required before it can introduce its de facto identity card - the so-called access card - to replace the Medicare card for those claiming any government pension or benefit. This week, federal Labor's human services spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek said: "This card has too much information on the front. It also has too much information on the microchip inside the card that will be available for anyone to read." Temporarily staving off the question of whether there is such a thing as privacy nowadays, it might be said that many people in the West have more room to themselves than before, living alone rather than in extended family groups. But the pattern of everyday life involves frequent incursions into what, in the previous century (if not in earlier times), was regarded as part of a private realm. You get into your car, which has a tollway e-tag (and soon enough all cars will have to have one of these transponders, but at least we're not in the US, where children at some schools have to wear them around their necks). Pass through a tollgate and its tag reader records your movements: information that can be linked to the details on the credit card you used to pay for the tag. Your mobile phone is another tracking device, of course. The network has to know where you are to charge you for the call. If you take a detour to the local shopping centre, your purchases are scanned to the supermarket database, which may have a file on your shopping habits: especially if you also shop online. In the carpark you suddenly notice you've parked all but underneath a closed-circuit television camera (so prevalent that research by criminologist Paul Wilson and others at Bond University reveals that Brisbane's Citytrain network has no fewer than 5500 cameras in its trains and around its railway platforms and carparks). You reach your place of work, passing several more security cameras hanging like vultures around the building, and swipe the company pass you need to get in through a scanner, which registers the times you come and go and may send the information to the payroll people or the human resources department. Luckily you don't work for a business that has security cameras trained on employees taking a tea break in a stairwell or merely sitting at their desks. Turning on the work computer, you only half-notice the threatening reminder from the company that "all internet and email activity is logged for legal and technical reasons". Managers can audit your use of the internet or email, possibly using the software they've installed to track the websites you visit. Even so, employers do not have an absolute right to do so, according to Roger Clarke, the chairman of the Australian Privacy Foundation (www.privacy.org.au) and a consultant whose specialties include data surveillance and information privacy. "The courts have never permitted unfettered powers to be granted to one party at the expense of another." There are constraints on the freedom employers have to listen in or record employees' conversations, telephone conversations and behaviour, he says. "With controls existing over every other form of spying on employees, it's fatuous to suggest that employers can do what they like about their employees' use of the internet." Of course, anything you do on a computer leaves a trace on the internet and, unless expunged with specific software, the computer memory. These traces are the lifeblood of the parasitic communities feeding off the data we heedlessly leave in our wake. "There are three principal ways to measure internet usage," says the home page for a data-tracking company called Hitwise that boasts of its "real-time competitive intelligence". "A panel of users can be measured at their computers with installed software ... marketers can monitor how visitors interact with a specific website ... or the data can be collected directly from (internet service provider) networks." Interaction can be monitored with "cookies", bits of identifying data implanted into a computer's web browser by a website. The federal Privacy Act 1988 is no more capable of licensing what is done with these digital crumbs (as another writer called them) than the beach is capable of licensing the waves that roll over it, only one of the criticisms of a piece of legislation said to have started out inadequate and become more so with every passing year. Part of the problem is that the act essentially allows people to spy on you as long as they tell you what they're doing, a compromise our regulators seem to love. This doesn't apply of course to dreaded spyware, programs slipped on to your computer surreptitiously while you're browsing that can send information back to a perpetrator on what websites you look at (of interest to markets), or even your credit card details, internet banking passwords or other personal information that may be stored in memory. Last year it emerged that Google keeps records on every search your computer, identified by a number, makes using its search engine. Not long ago, the Australian Communications Authority dealt with a complaint that telemarketing companies may have improperly gained access to the database that contains the names, addresses and phone numbers of every phone service in Australia, silent lines included. When customers contacted internet service providers from a silent line, some phone companies, Telstra and Optus among them, were allegedly giving the ISPs the numbers for which Telstra customers pay the usual motza. Rather than punishing Telstra for invading the privacy of its customers (while charging them for the privilege), the ACA came up with what it called an "alternative solution": it would "seek the co-operation" of ISPs, asking them to let customers know their private numbers had become public property. Yeah, right. But I digress. A year ago, Attorney-General Philip Ruddock announced that the Australian Law Reform Commission would review commonwealth and state privacy legislation, not least to "consider the needs of individuals for privacy protection in the light of evolving technology". In its submission, privacy advocacy group Electronic Frontiers Australia suggested how far the horse had already bolted. "Internet technologies enable the collection of information about individual internet users' behaviour across thousands of websites. Personal profiles about them, including their habits and interests, are being compiled surreptitiously and in many cases without users being aware that this is even possible, let alone their having provided their name to such websites." Does this make the very concept of privacy redundant, not just in theory? As part of its review, the ALRC conducted a "national privacy phone-in". ALRC commissioner Les McCrimmon, an adjunct professor at the University of Technology, Sydney, tells Inquirer there were 1300 responses. "By far the majority were concerned about telemarketing," McCrimmon says. The report, which you can see by clicking on to issues paper 31 on the ALRC website (www.alrc.gov.au), lists four "hypothetical situations" more than 90 per cent of respondents considered an invasion of privacy. A business you don't know gets hold of your personal information (94 per cent); a business monitors your activities on the internet, recording information on the sites you visit without your knowledge (93 per cent); you supply your information to a business for a specific purpose and the business uses it for another purpose (93 per cent); a business asks you for personal information that doesn't seem relevant to the purpose of the transaction (94 per cent). "They're not hypotheticals," says Roger Clarke by email, his preferred mode of communication. "Such things are standard business practice." For the most part, we seem to accept them as such, whatever we tell interviewers. "Most people will happily sell their privacy for something as paltry as collecting a quantity of 'fly-buy' points too small to redeem for anything useful, or a one-in-a-million chance of winning a 'free' car," says Dale Clapperton, an EFA board member. In fact, we fill in the forms knowing we will be plagued with mail from associated marketing companies until we're old and grey, not that our consent is necessarily involved. Take the case of the medical information that health professionals may unthinkingly share around, for instance emailing results to each other. If patients know this, they will usually see the value. "The one that got our people stirred up was when we found out that data collected by one of the doctor's medical software packages was being sent off overseas, possibly for marketing analysis and not for patient care," says Helen Hopkins of the Consumers' Health Forum of Australia. In an article on neuroscience, this week's Time magazine reports on the potential for a more intimate invasion of privacy: "Even in their current state, brain scans may be able to reveal, without our consent, hidden things about who we are and what we think and feel." Look up the word privacy in Roget's Thesaurus and you get three possible meanings: invisibility, refuge and seclusion, all only glancingly related to the power to keep information about ourselves and our lives from entering the public domain, the other interpretation given to the word these days. In an essay on the subject, Bob Sullivan, the technology correspondent for the US news website MSNBC, contrasts this willingness to sacrifice our privacy with the outrage sometimes expressed when entities compromise it for commercial gain. In the US in 2004, ChoicePoint, a data services company that creates and sells files containing people's names, addresses, social security numbers and credit reports, gave a bunch of crooks in Nigeria who had posed as legitimate businessmen potential access to the records of 140,000 people. The Atlanta-based firm, previously a fast-growing company, "suddenly ... became a household term associated with identity theft", according to one American observer. Because we seem unable to normalise our attitudes to privacy, other public and private institutions justify niggling bureaucratic procedures in its name. A Sydney woman who has accounts with Westpac says when the bank unexpectedly telephoned her not long ago, "they refused to say why they were ringing. They said they couldn't tell me until I told them my birth date". A spokesman for the bank agrees that customers are asked for personal information before being told the reason for the call. "For privacy reasons we obviously have to confirm who they are, for instance by asking their date of birth ... " While this sort of thing annoys most people almost as much as telemarketing, most accept being spied on in public, as long as the invasion of privacy is justified by the suggestion that it will make law-abiding citizens safer. "People have a secret love affair with CCTV: they approve of it," says Wilson, who has just found out that about three-quarters of the public shares the love. "They're not worried about the number of cameras on them, they are not concerned about civil liberties issues." Wilson is one of the authors of a new study reporting the results of what he calls "the first major investigation of CCTV in Australia". The two-year project looked at the effectiveness of the thousands of security cameras around the Gold Coast and in the Citytrain network. "The paradox here is that CCTV is not very good at preventing crime but is generally fairly good at picking up crime going on," Wilson says. The cameras are supplied by private firms, who are helping to drive the fast expansion of CCTV cameras into every settled pocket of this wide brown land. But Wilson's study found that the private contractors doing the monitoring in the council's control room in Surfers Paradise spent just 15 per cent of the time looking at what was happening. They spent much time instead "searching through old tapes or filling in log books". But this is no more likely to inhibit the love affair with CCTV than the certain knowledge that it isn't much good at preventing crime, and doesn't necessarily stand up in court. People acknowledged as much even as they told the researchers from Bond University that it made them feel safer, a near relative of the sentiment that seems to underpin the surprisingly sanguine acceptance of widespread "anti-terror legislation". Only this week the BBC reported that the Blair Government in Britain was proposing to create a giant database of people's personal details at Whitehall. "Step by step," said Conservative Opposition constitutional affairs spokesman Oliver Heald, "the Government is logging details of every man, woman and child in 'big brother' computers." For its part, the US Government will reportedly demand that visitors to the country have all 10 fingers scanned when they enter the country, with the biometric information collected to be shared with intelligence agencies, the FBI included. The Observer reported that "passengers face having all their credit card transactions traced when using one to book a flight. And travellers giving an email address to an airline will be open to having all messages they send and receive from that address scrutinised". But even in the light of such overwrought measures the Australian Government has hardly lagged behind, passing no fewer than 41 pieces of "anti-terror legislation" giving officials unprecedented access to what used to be thought of as private communication. Under the Telecommunications (Interception) Amendment Act 2006, now law, authorities can bug the phones of people who are not suspected of complicity in any crime but who are thought to be in contact with suspected criminals, or (in the new parlance) "persons of interest". Once a judge signs off on the required "B-party" warrant, says Martin Bibby, a spokesman for the NSW Council for Civil Liberties, the Australian Federal Police or ASIO can "tap the phone of a completely innocent person and listen to all conversations on that phone". "The issue it raises is whether privacy means anything at all in Australia," Bibby says. "If it is given away whenever there is a conflict with other concerns, we will soon lose it all." Perhaps we already have. In an article in the Privacy Law Bulletin in 2005, EFA's Clapperton looked at the feeble constraints on the use of spyware. Yet for the Privacy Act to apply, Clapperton tells Inquirer, "you would have to show that information could be linked to your identity. "People are tricked into installing software that includes the spyware. They don't read the licence agreement, so they don't know what it's doing." There are some similarities with shopping mall sweepstakes and supermarket giveaways. "If the fine print says that they are going to take your personal information and sell it to all and sundry, the Privacy Act won't stop them," says Clapperton. "The attitude implicit in the Privacy Act is that if you didn't want them doing it, you should have read the fine print and not given the information in the first place." Despite the act's limitations, there appears to be a backlog of cases piling up. "The Privacy Commissioner's office doesn't handle complaints promptly or well," says Clarke. "We fear the department has become ossified. It's just another defensive government agency." Whatever Privacy Commissioner Karen Curtis is doing about your privacy, her own is well guarded. Her spokesman informs Inquirer there will be no interview with the commissioner unless the questions are emailed to him beforehand. Additional reporting by Karen Dearne. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From link at todd.inoz.com Sun Jan 28 13:53:12 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:53:12 +1100 Subject: [LINK] MD5 cracking In-Reply-To: <45BBD9BC.3010802@praxis.com.au> References: <45BBD9BC.3010802@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070128135241.030a69f8@wheresmymailserver.com> I keep saying, if there is a legal way, there is an illegal way. It doesn't matter what it is, there will always be several ways to add binary to a 256 bit pattern :) At 10:01 AM 28/01/2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: >The MD5 sum is a digest of a chunk of digital data, such as a file, that >supposedly uniquely indentifies the file, i.e. like a checksum. If you >receive a copy of a file and its calculated MD5 does not match the >published MD5, you can be sure the file has been tampered with. > >We have know for a while now that the MD5 digest is insecure, i.e. it >is now possible to make changes to a file such that its MD5 matches >a desired (bogus) MD5. > >I ran across this site today: > >http://milw0rm.com/cracker/list.php > >As they say, it's "in the wild". The web page provides a service to >crack MD5 digests. Sigh. > >I mention this because practically all software we download is >cross-checked and vetted against its MD5 digest, and nothing more >secure. This implies that updates from Winders, downloads of >FOSS etc.etc. could easily be compromised if the desire to do so >is there. And it is probably only a matter of time before a >jacked/hacked but secure-looking version of software product XYZ is >released on the 'Net. > >The suggested replacement digest is SHA-1, but there are worries that >it too is insecure and will be cracked soon. SHA-256 and -512 look like >the way to go in the future. > >cheers >rickw > > >-- >_________________________________ >Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services > >It's always the enemies of freedom who find themselves, at one moment >or another, most in need of it. > -- Michel Houellebecq >_______________________________________________ >Link mailing list >Link at mailman.anu.edu.au >http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From eleanor at pacific.net.au Sun Jan 28 14:35:39 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:35:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista is Expensive In-Reply-To: <45BBFE5A.1010608@lannet.com.au> References: <45BBDD7F.5080907@praxis.com.au> <45BBFE5A.1010608@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45BC1A0B.6020104@pacific.net.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > > Rick Welykochy wrote: >> >> Regarding the gotterdammerung of Windows security, it will most >> likely take the actual twilight of the Internet (i.e. last dying gasps) >> before anything is done to stop the plague of the March of the >> Windows Zombies. "Allowing" Vista onto the Internet without >> adequate independent vetting is insanity, pure and simple, imnsho. > > Got to agree with you Rick. Have a look at my spam graphs for the > past week to see > what is happening just in my sphere, and remember that they are > rejection rates per second. The big surge in the middle is from one > machine hosted by Fastservers, but the background has steadily risen > over the week almost threefold. and M$ doesn't care .... why? well, the classic way to take over an established market is to crash it, buy in dirt cheap, strategic holdings first. M$ assets to preserve: GUI building team, Office team, internet share M$ strategic investments: their own computer series, Xbox, Xbox 360, multimedia up the wazoo, still hasn't made a red cent yet. deal with Novell over SuSE Linux, hmmm, a real Operating System, a scarce beast in Redmond. put this together, what do you get? 1) XP & Vista allow so much spam that it crushes Windowsland, even as it makes money from Vista, and the collapse in IT investment drives small OT companies providing services based around open source to the wall. 2) ISPs start collapsing and M$ will be their Angel of Mercy, ending up one of the major players (deep, deep, pockets). 3) Just when the share price is hovering at about $0.01 a share, buy up all the shares. 4) the next day launch the WinBox ... SuSE Linux hard coded to the platform for speed and minimalism, with real security including a hardware firewall on a chip, built in, and it supports all games, and goodness me, there's a fresh version of Office that can read all your existing files, and the whole thing has a newer version of the Aero GUI, so it's Pwetty! 5) SpamWorld basically just goes away at that point, because the new box on 95% of the world's desktops is now in the same league as other N*X systems for security, and you just refuse remote users, remote procedure calls, and executable code unless expressly permitted (opt in, not the dodgy opt out). 6) oh, and did you notice? M$ gets bigger and badder, and moves onto our turf (gulp). 7) expect to get burnt as witches. "she turned me into a newt!" -- ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister "i got better!" South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 28 14:54:56 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:54:56 +1100 Subject: [LINK] MD5 cracking In-Reply-To: <45BC96BF.6831.5C14CDB@paul.mcgowan.yawarra.com.au> References: <45BBD9BC.3010802@praxis.com.au> <45BC96BF.6831.5C14CDB@paul.mcgowan.yawarra.com.au> Message-ID: <45BC1E90.5070009@praxis.com.au> Paul McGowan - Yawarra wrote: > I'm not so sure that the site you reference is a good example of the > consequences you subsequently claim Rick. Though I doubt it was your > intention, such claims could appear to be scaremongering. Actually this is a very interesting site. I hadn't gone to the home page before writing the last post. The home page shows lots of (0 day?) exploits. And the list should be sobering for all users of Apple, Windows *and* Linux products. As for fear mongering, perhaps. Better to be educated as to risks that to live in fear and darkness I say :) > Yes, it has been shown that collisions in MD5 are possible and have > been demonstrated. That, however, is not the same as being able to > make arbitrary changes to a downloadable file. The page you > reference appears (to me) to demonstrate that MD5 _password_ digests > have been cracked successfully. How they (milw0rm) do this, we don't > really know, but given the size of the passwords I would have thought > that a distributed attack was fairly likely (try every combo). > Moreover, if the site has access to a large number of bots, then the > generation of a rainbow table would also seem to be a possibility. They do have a mil-dic.txt avilable with 36930 words (cracked passwds?) in it. I wonder how they know they've cracked a password? Perhaps when they obtain a completely ASCII (7-bit character only) string, probability is 99.9999% that it is the password. > Say, for example that I demonstrate that I can create a file that > hashes to the same thing as the latest Firefox download. In itself, > this would be a useful crytographic result, and probably qualify me > highly (I can't, btw). However, this would not be the same as being > able to create executable, malicious, and similar size code. Those > constraints make the task much, much harder. > > What the milw0rm site demonstrates is not even the first part. They > can take an MD5 digest and extract the *very short* string that was > used to create it (some of the time). That's all... I wonder about the legality of such a site. It is (a) publishing information on how to break into computer systems (zero day attacks) and (b) providing cracked passwords. Regarding MD5 vulnerabilities, mentions this, for the technically-minded Linker: Because MD5 makes only one pass over the data, if two prefixes with the same hash can be constructed, a common suffix can be added to both to make the collision more reasonable. Because the current collision-finding techniques allow the preceding hash state to be specified arbitrarily, a collision can be found for any desired prefix; that is, for any given string of characters X, two colliding files can be determined which both begin with X. All that is required to generate two colliding files is a template file, with a 128-byte block of data aligned on a 64-byte boundary, that can be changed freely by the collision-finding algorithm. Now of course this does not mean an end to downloading all of the MD5-summed files out there, but it should encourage existing software librarians to switch to SHA-256 as soon as possible. When 56-bit DES was cracked, wasn't the move away from it to stronger forms of encryption swift and decisive? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me. -- Emo Phillips From rick at praxis.com.au Sun Jan 28 16:46:36 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:46:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista is Expensive In-Reply-To: <45BC1A0B.6020104@pacific.net.au> References: <45BBDD7F.5080907@praxis.com.au> <45BBFE5A.1010608@lannet.com.au> <45BC1A0B.6020104@pacific.net.au> Message-ID: <45BC38BC.105@praxis.com.au> Eleanor Lister wrote: > put this together, what do you get? > > 1) XP & Vista allow so much spam that it crushes Windowsland, even as it > makes money from Vista, and the collapse in IT investment drives small > OT companies providing services based around open source to the wall. > > 2) ISPs start collapsing and M$ will be their Angel of Mercy, ending up > one of the major players (deep, deep, pockets). > > 3) Just when the share price is hovering at about $0.01 a share, buy up > all the shares. > > 4) the next day launch the WinBox ... SuSE Linux hard coded to the > platform for speed and minimalism, with real security including a > hardware firewall on a chip, built in, and it supports all games, and > goodness me, there's a fresh version of Office that can read all your > existing files, and the whole thing has a newer version of the Aero GUI, > so it's Pwetty! > > 5) SpamWorld basically just goes away at that point, because the new box > on 95% of the world's desktops is now in the same league as other N*X > systems for security, and you just refuse remote users, remote procedure > calls, and executable code unless expressly permitted (opt in, not the > dodgy opt out). > > 6) oh, and did you notice? M$ gets bigger and badder, and moves onto > our turf (gulp). > > 7) expect to get burnt as witches. Alternative proceedings: 1) as above 2) at the same time, multi-media on the desktop happily greets the arrival of the 64-bit machine; Internet 2 coincidentally is going great guns and is released with better security and a ban on insecure systems like XP and Vista 3) a new desktop is nigh (as has occurred every 8 years for the last 24 or so): this time it is the ready-to-go 64-bit *nixe systems 4) MS struggles to maintain its hold on the market using out-dated 32-bit technology and the old Internet, which is falling into disuse and disrepair due to the very monster MS originally unleashed upon it, namely Windows. 5) Spamworld becomes irrelevant on Internet 2 due to built-in encryption and certification; within five years the conversion is complete and practically all of the old insecure TCP/IP apps have been superceded by their secure and reliable Inet2 counterparts running on reliable 64-bit *nix servers and received with open arms by the now ubiquitous 64-bit *nix desktops, which include Macs, BSDs, and Linux 6) During those five years, a major information compaign that openly eschews the years of spin and lying the public have had to put up with makes it as plain as the http: on your desktop that Microsoft is the culprit behind all the woes on (a) your desktop (b) your internet and (c) your business. It is time ... time to take the upgrade and move on. And millions of SMEs, corporates and consumers do as they move on to Inet 2 and the world of 64-bit computing. 7) MS executives get burnt as corporate criminals. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me. -- Emo Phillips From whassaname at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 21:08:20 2007 From: whassaname at gmail.com (Johann Kruse) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:08:20 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> You could upgrade to Windows Vista and use Bitlocker - http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/hwsecurity/BitLockerFAQ.mspx :) On 26/01/07, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > > > I have had a laptop stolen...which makes me a bit wary of storing > > anything on one. I would also be reticent to use a public computer or > > even one in a workplace - but then as I said, I don't use Internet or > > Telephone banking. > > How secure do Linkers feel about toting a laptop around with > sensitive/personal data on the hard drive? > > Personally, I ensure I encrypt the directories that need protecting, > i.e. my home directory, using AES encryption. > > Being a Windows agnostic these days, I do not know if this capability > is available on Win/XP. It is trivial to do on Max OS X, and quite > easy using Linux or other *nixes. > > One option on Win/XP would be to ensure all data is read/written > from/to an encrypted memory stick, which BTW also uses AES. > > cheers > rickw > > > > -- > _________________________________ > Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services > > Law-abiding citizens value privacy. Terrorists require invisibility. > The two are not the same, and they should not be confused. > -- Richard Perle > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > -- Johann -- http://whassaname.net From brendansweb at optusnet.com.au Sun Jan 28 21:55:41 2007 From: brendansweb at optusnet.com.au (Brendan Scott) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:55:41 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Impervious to virus problems? Message-ID: <45BC812D.1030607@optusnet.com.au> Lesser known "mini" Linux runs from RAM http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9866429696.html Mustang Linux is a concept test for a pocket-sized, carry-anywhere OS that the team claims is impervious to virus problems. Future concepts include the possibility of providing broadband Internet services that will integrate additional software as requested by the user, the team said. From stil at stilgherrian.com Mon Jan 29 00:20:09 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:20:09 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Impervious to virus problems? In-Reply-To: <45BC812D.1030607@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: On 28/1/07 9:55 PM, "Brendan Scott" wrote: > Mustang Linux is a concept test for a pocket-sized, carry-anywhere OS that the > team claims is impervious to virus problems. Future concepts include ... ... creating an immovable object, squaring the circle, and the providing unlimited energy from ordinary tap water. *sigh* Some of the folks who claim to be computer experts should actually do some background on computing and computation (the theory) as opposed to computers (the machines). After all it's only been 60-odd years or more since such claims of "cannot be broken" were proven to fall into the category of "uncomputable functions" or, to put it in plain English, "things what ain't possible, full stop". Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From stephen at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 29 00:34:24 2007 From: stephen at melbpc.org.au (stephen at melbpc.org.au) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:34:24 GMT Subject: [LINK] CERN 'Innovations in Scholarly Communication' 2nd call for posters Message-ID: <20070128133424.B6C0A16292@vscan42.melbpc.org.au> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OAI5 - 2nd call for posters Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:52:01 +0100 (CET) From: joanne.yeomans at cern.ch To: neil.jacobs at bristol.ac.uk Apologies for cross-posting. The OAI5 Organising Committee is welcoming poster submissions for the 5th Workshop on Innovations in Scholarly Communication at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland, which will take place from Wednesday 18th - Friday 20th April 2007. The deadline for submissions is 31st January 2007. Please consult the conference website for more information: http://cern.ch/oai5 Posters are invited on projects directly related to the themes of the workshop and decisions on acceptance will be communicated during February. Further information is found under the call for abstracts link on the webpage: http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceCFA.py?confId=5710 The agenda for the workshop is also now available: http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceOtherViews.py?view=standard&confId=5710 The OAI series of workshops is one of the biggest international meetings of technical repository-developers, library Open Access policy formulators, and the funders and researchers that they serve. The programme contains a mix of practical tutorials given by experts in the field, presentations from cutting-edge projects and research, posters from the community, breakout discussion groups, and an intense social programme which has helped to build a strong network amongst previous participants. The event is almost unique in bringing together these scholarly communication communities and is proud to continue this tradition with the OAI5 workshop in 2007. ******************************************** Joanne Yeomans On behalf of the OAI5 Organising Committee http://cern.ch/oai5 Tel: 70548 (from outside: +41 22 76 70548) Email:joanne.yeomans at cern.ch ; oaiworkshop-organisation at cern.ch Mail address: Mailbox C27810, Cern CH 1211, Geneve 23, Switzerland -- Fwd1: Neil Jacobs JISC Executive, Beacon House, Queens Road, Bristol, BS8 1QU +44 (0)117 33 10772 / 07768 040179 -- Fwd2 Cheers all Stephen Loosley Victoria Australia From whassaname at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 01:20:53 2007 From: whassaname at gmail.com (Johann Kruse) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:20:53 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> References: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com> On 29/01/07, Rick Welykochy wrote: > Johann Kruse wrote: > > > You could upgrade to Windows Vista and use Bitlocker - > > http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/hwsecurity/BitLockerFAQ.mspx > > > "Q. Will BitLocker add any performance impact to a Windows Vista machine? > A. It is too early to determine performance impact on the Windows Vista > operating system; however, BitLocker is expected to have a negligible > affect on day-to-day PC performance." > > Heh? AES encryption and decryption cost CPU cycles. Copying data from one > AES encrypted file to another will be measureably slower than the equivalent > non-enrypted copy. Microsoft would know this already. We Mac and Linux > users know this. Even if the AES functions are performed on the chip, > DMA to/from the chip will take extra time. Why the spin? > > Personally I notice no difference in speed between two laptops of pretty much identical specs, one with Bitlocker and one without. That said, I guess I haven't really tried proper benchmarking or pushing the boundaries - I pretty much tend to stick to Outlook, Excel, Powerpoint, IE7, and Virtual PC. > "Unauthorized changing of the BIOS, master boot record (MBR), boot sector, > boot manager, or other early boot components would cause a failure in the > integrity checks and keep the TPM-protected key from being released." > > You can kiss multi-boot systems goodbye. You can probably kiss running > Windows on an Intel Mac goodbye as well if you want to use this data protection > scheme .. well, would the Mac have the required chip? Doubt it. It won't destroy multi-boot capability - http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/05/bitlocker.html And new Macs come with TPM 1.2 so no problems there - http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter10/tpm/ > > Howard Lowndes wrote: > > >> "BitLocker leverages the 1.2 specification TPM chip" > > Has anyone seen one of these on a mobo yet? > > Or are they doing the right thing by avoiding them. Yes, I have TPM 1.2 in 2 laptops and 1 desktop, and my mate has it in his Mac. And I guess this could in some ways be (heaven forbid) a forward-looking thing. Once upon a time computers didn't have maths co-processors, sound cards, or USB ports built-in - but they seem to be pretty common now. -- Johann -- http://whassaname.net From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 02:04:22 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:04:22 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BCBB76.9020307@praxis.com.au> Johann Kruse wrote: > On 29/01/07, Rick Welykochy wrote: >> Heh? AES encryption and decryption cost CPU cycles. Copying data from one >> AES encrypted file to another will be measureably slower than the >> equivalent >> non-enrypted copy. Microsoft would know this already. We Mac and Linux >> users know this. Even if the AES functions are performed on the chip, >> DMA to/from the chip will take extra time. Why the spin? > > Personally I notice no difference in speed between two laptops of > pretty much identical specs, one with Bitlocker and one without. Try comparing duplicating a 1 GB file on an unencrypted volume and doing the same on a Bitlocker-encrypted volume. I would be interested in the CPU load for both operations. > It won't destroy multi-boot capability - > http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/05/bitlocker.html Whew! Thanks for the Schneier reference. There is so much food for thought on that page that I will defer for the time being. As for multi-boot, it seems "possible" but tedious, and as yet unproven "in the field", so to speak. Let's wait and see once Vista is released. You know, it's a Microsoft spin thing. Be aware that Schneier does report that once the master boot record is modified, Bitlocker will prevent the machine from starting up. But, given the tenacity of Linux-based and other boffins out there, the work-arounds indicated by Schneier will of course be used, ie. Bitlocker can be "reset" to make the multi-boot possible. But that leaves me wondering if Bitlocker has then failed in its designed goal and task. > And new Macs come with TPM 1.2 so no problems there - > http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter10/tpm/ Well, the cat is out of the bag, if the above article is correct: "The TPM is not a cryptographic accelerator. It is not meant to aid in bulk encryption. Moreover, the specification does not contain any cryptographic throughput requirements." Sounds like AES cryptography is done in software. As I said, we on Macs and Linux already know the time and space requirements of AES in software. >> Howard Lowndes wrote: >> >> >> "BitLocker leverages the 1.2 specification TPM chip" >> > Has anyone seen one of these on a mobo yet? >> > Or are they doing the right thing by avoiding them. > > Yes, I have TPM 1.2 in 2 laptops and 1 desktop, and my mate has it in > his Mac. I have the hard drive protection I need sans the TPM chip. What advantage doe the on-board chip offer? > > And I guess this could in some ways be (heaven forbid) a > forward-looking thing. Once upon a time computers didn't have maths > co-processors, sound cards, or USB ports built-in - but they seem to > be pretty common now. I really don't understand what the TPM chip offers us computer users. We don't find that "tamper-resistance" in hardware is really a problem. I think that the big players in the content provision markets might. The real problem right now involves ineffective and non-existent security on millions and millions of PCs connected to our Internet. The real problem with online computing concerns social engineering scams, spam, DDoS attacks, extortion and money laundering to mention just a few. Until the very real and serious problems that already exist on platforms such as the various Windows systems are addressed (as but one example) I find it vacuous, diversionary and self-serving for corporations to focus on Yet Another Security Panacea. Can you explain to Link why we would want trusted computing (TC), Johann? And what does TC have to do with securing your hard drive data? I ask since I am doing that just fine sans any TC hardware or software at the moment, and I for one will not be sold a trojan horse at the hidden bequest of content providers, neither now or in the future. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services If you think good architecture is expensive, try bad architecture. -- Brian Foote and Joseph Yoder From grove at zeta.org.au Mon Jan 29 02:06:56 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:06:56 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] Google maps flyover Message-ID: Slashdot reports a blog by a small ISP who took the opportunity to go spamming. http://swiftcity.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/google-maps-sydney-flyover/ rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 29 02:43:55 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:43:55 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45BCBB76.9020307@praxis.com.au> References: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com> <45BCBB76.9020307@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070129024329.03511d98@wheresmymailserver.com> At 02:04 AM 29/01/2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: >Johann Kruse wrote: > >>On 29/01/07, Rick Welykochy wrote: >>>Heh? AES encryption and decryption cost CPU cycles. Copying data from one >>>AES encrypted file to another will be measureably slower than the equivalent >>>non-enrypted copy. Microsoft would know this already. We Mac and Linux >>>users know this. Even if the AES functions are performed on the chip, >>>DMA to/from the chip will take extra time. Why the spin? >>Personally I notice no difference in speed between two laptops of >>pretty much identical specs, one with Bitlocker and one without. > >Try comparing duplicating a 1 GB file on an unencrypted volume and >doing the same on a Bitlocker-encrypted volume. I would be interested >in the CPU load for both operations. Try copying a 48 Gig video file from one Apple to another Apple over a 1 Gig Link with software and hardware encryption. From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 29 02:43:19 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:43:19 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com > References: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070129024244.03136940@wheresmymailserver.com> Come on, it's simple. If there is a performance issue, buy a new laptop with a faster processor. Then the performance will be better than your old laptop. Sheesh. At 01:20 AM 29/01/2007, Johann Kruse wrote: >On 29/01/07, Rick Welykochy wrote: >>Johann Kruse wrote: >> >> > You could upgrade to Windows Vista and use Bitlocker - >> > http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/hwsecurity/BitLockerFAQ.mspx >> >> >>"Q. Will BitLocker add any performance impact to a Windows Vista machine? >> A. It is too early to determine performance impact on the Windows Vista >> operating system; however, BitLocker is expected to have a negligible >> affect on day-to-day PC performance." >> >>Heh? AES encryption and decryption cost CPU cycles. Copying data from one >>AES encrypted file to another will be measureably slower than the equivalent >>non-enrypted copy. Microsoft would know this already. We Mac and Linux >>users know this. Even if the AES functions are performed on the chip, >>DMA to/from the chip will take extra time. Why the spin? >> > >Personally I notice no difference in speed between two laptops of >pretty much identical specs, one with Bitlocker and one without. > >That said, I guess I haven't really tried proper benchmarking or >pushing the boundaries - I pretty much tend to stick to Outlook, >Excel, Powerpoint, IE7, and Virtual PC. From link at todd.inoz.com Mon Jan 29 02:40:57 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:40:57 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Google maps flyover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070129024003.034de330@wheresmymailserver.com> I agree, it's not SPAM. There was so much advertising about "getting out and promoting whatever you want as long as it's BIG." Sadly, the 1300 actors I have on my database only 8 offered to turn up and make a shape. So we decided to miss the FIRST ever of this kind of event. Evidently Aussie Actors don't want selfless free global promotion. At 02:06 AM 29/01/2007, grove at zeta.org.au wrote: >Slashdot reports a blog by a small ISP who took the opportunity to go >spamming. > >http://swiftcity.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/google-maps-sydney-flyover/ > > >rachel > >-- >Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia >grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html > "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, > deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 >_______________________________________________ >Link mailing list >Link at mailman.anu.edu.au >http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link From drose at nla.gov.au Mon Jan 29 08:40:38 2007 From: drose at nla.gov.au (Daniel Rose) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:40:38 +1100 Subject: FW: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] Message-ID: <3F8819281E85774CA6CE6F4FB842874F0456FAB0@gimli.shire.nla.gov.au> For windows some of you may find this useful. It will also create self-decrypting exe files, and it's GPL. http://sourceforge.net/projects/axcrypt/ > -----Original Message----- > From: link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au > [mailto:link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of Rick Welykochy > Posted At: Friday, 26 January 2007 19:09 PM > Posted To: Link List > Conversation: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer > security] > Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] > > > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > > > I have had a laptop stolen...which makes me a bit wary of storing > > anything on one. I would also be reticent to use a public > computer or > > even one in a workplace - but then as I said, I don't use > Internet or > > Telephone banking. > > How secure do Linkers feel about toting a laptop around with > sensitive/personal data on the hard drive? > > Personally, I ensure I encrypt the directories that need > protecting, i.e. my home directory, using AES encryption. > > Being a Windows agnostic these days, I do not know if this > capability is available on Win/XP. It is trivial to do on Max > OS X, and quite easy using Linux or other *nixes. > > One option on Win/XP would be to ensure all data is > read/written from/to an encrypted memory stick, which BTW > also uses AES. > > cheers > rickw > > > > -- > _________________________________ > Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services > > Law-abiding citizens value privacy. Terrorists require invisibility. > The two are not the same, and they should not be confused. > -- Richard Perle > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link at mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > From stil at stilgherrian.com Mon Jan 29 09:05:21 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:05:21 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet Message-ID: I've just posted an article on my business website explaining why small businesses shouldn't rush out to upgrade to Vista. Comments appreciated -- especially if I've got something wrong or been too harsh. http://prussia.net/tips/upgrade_vista_not_yet/ Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Mon Jan 29 09:23:29 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:23:29 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Open access publishing not a threat to research grants Message-ID: <20070128223817.0409E112CA@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Wednesday's Australian newspaper contains a report " Open access a threat to grants" (Bernard Lane 24 January 2007) : "THE historically low success rate for competitive grant applications could dip further as an unintended consequence of the move to open access publishing. ... If authors were allowed to cover those costs from grant money, then a new administrative and financial burden would fall on agencies such as the ARC. ... Funding agencies would have to estimate publication costs before giving a grant and would probably have to audit this expenditure at project's end, the ARC says in a new submission to the Productivity Commission's inquiry into public support for science and innovation. ..." --- This analysis is flawed, as it assumes researchers have to pay a lot of money to have their research published with open access. The ACS, for example, does not charge for publication in its journals . It charges conference organizers about $50 per paper for conference proceedings to cover costs . My experiments with using on-line advertising to cover publishing costs seem to be going okay . It should be about enough to cover the cost of publication for a non-profit publication. Commercial publishers should be able to make a reasonable profit with a combination of ads and modest subscription fees, without large charges to authors. Perhaps some indicator is needed to show those articles for which authors have paid to have published. These can then be discounted buy the reader (and excluded from reputable lists of published research). Unfortunately Australian universities have been encouraging such vanity publishing by their own university presses. Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From stil at stilgherrian.com Mon Jan 29 10:01:30 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:01:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD248E.7020103@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On 29/1/07 9:32 AM, "Howard Lowndes" wrote: > I think M$ have committed to support for XP until 2010, so your "two > years" is wrong. Sorry, but can't cite. Ah! Well, I was going from http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223 which says that "mainstream support" retires two years after the release of Vista. You're right in that "extended support" goes for five years after mainstream support ends -- that'd be to the beginning of 2013. But "extended support" fixes security holes and "critical bugs" only. If there's some important software which has problems, and it isn't a major player that MS thinks needs "the good treatment" then you might be out of luck. Third-party vendors may or may not extend their support as long as Microsoft does. Still, fair point, thank you -- and it gives even more weight to the point that there's no need to rush. :) Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 10:08:11 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:08:11 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> Stilgherrian wrote: > I've just posted an article on my business website explaining why small > businesses shouldn't rush out to upgrade to Vista. Comments appreciated -- > especially if I've got something wrong or been too harsh. > > http://prussia.net/tips/upgrade_vista_not_yet/ On an enterprise system, one would be foolish, nay, insane to upgrade to Win/Vista without having a way to revert to your old working system. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 29 10:06:17 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:06:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <200701280101.l0S10r0V022298@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Howard writes: > We need the legislators - to impose serviceability requirements on > computer users and to enforce ISPs to police those laws. It would have > a spin-on effect of generating service work in the IT industry, and > should be linked to the licencing of IT practitioners. > > Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. How do you reconcile these two statements ? -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 10:30:11 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:30:11 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Impervious to virus problems? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BD3203.6060709@praxis.com.au> Stilgherrian wrote: > Some of the folks who claim to be computer experts should actually do some > background on computing and computation (the theory) as opposed to computers > (the machines). After all it's only been 60-odd years or more since such > claims of "cannot be broken" were proven to fall into the category of > "uncomputable functions" or, to put it in plain English, "things what ain't > possible, full stop". Got to agree with you Stil. It is sheer hubris and/or idiocy to claim that a given computer system is immune to virus infection. Such a claim actually discredits the system and its creators. Heh ... many programmers do not realise that even the simple Hello World program written in C has a bug (or two) in it. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Mon Jan 29 10:34:03 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:04:03 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > On an enterprise system, one would be foolish, nay, insane to > upgrade to Win/Vista without having a way to revert to your > old working system. Upgrading to Vista in an enterprise isn't going to happen as it requires physically touching machines (more memory, etc). At some point after training and the like has been set up new incoming machines will run Vista rather than Xp. So the date of interest to enterprises is the last orderable date for Windows Xp, which looks like two years hence. Not a huge amount of time, but sufficient. What will be much more trouble is the new Office -- new interface, new file formats, nasty links into Sharepoint. It's not at all clear what the best way to deploy that is. From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Mon Jan 29 10:41:04 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (Richard Chirgwin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:41:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> References: <5ii197$28sh07@ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: <45BD3490.2040606@ozemail.com.au> Hmmm ... > According to Vint Cerf, of the 600 million computers that are > connected to the internet, up to 150 million are part of botnets ...and because it's Vint Cerf, we should add that botnet traffic is doubling every 100 days? :-) RC From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 10:43:37 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:43:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BD3529.9090005@praxis.com.au> Stewart Fist wrote: > Howard writes: > > >> We need the legislators - to impose serviceability requirements on >> computer users and to enforce ISPs to police those laws. It would have >> a spin-on effect of generating service work in the IT industry, and >> should be linked to the licencing of IT practitioners. > > > >> Flatter government, not fatter government; abolish the Australian states. > > > How do you reconcile these two statements ? In Howard's defense, I would say that (a) flatter government does not mean we do not enact further desperately needed legislation; and (b) flatter government implies less bureaucracy imho, not less legislation; and finally (c) flatter government could well mean less "unneeded" legislation. Regarding point (c), a respected judge in Canada reviewed the Canadian Criminal Code back in the 1970's (or so) and found it could be reduced easily to 1/10th of its current size. It would take a lot of will and a lot of rewriting to do so. Why for example is there a law outlawing the pilfering of lobster from lobster traps? cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au Mon Jan 29 10:57:16 2007 From: glen.turner at aarnet.edu.au (Glen Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:27:16 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Open access publishing not a threat to research grants In-Reply-To: <20070128223817.0409E112CA@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> References: <20070128223817.0409E112CA@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <45BD385C.4060600@aarnet.edu.au> Tom Worthington wrote: > Perhaps some indicator is needed to show those articles for which > authors have paid to have published. These can then be discounted buy > the reader (and excluded from reputable lists of published research). > Unfortunately Australian universities have been encouraging such vanity > publishing by their own university presses. IEEE and ACM publications usually ask for money. This is done separately from the paper committee and your paper is published regardless. So 'paid to be published' isn't straight-forward to identify. What you are seeing here is a bunfight between the ARC and the universities about if open access publishing is part of the 'infrastructure' (and thus not funded by ARC grants) or not. The ARC are on the back foot because they currently fund 'paper charges' such as the one's I described above. DEST require a archive of publications for the Research Quality Framework, and it has partly funded this. But there is no requirement that the archive be leveraged into open access publishing. Colin is quite right about the current system being very expensive. The ARC doesn't see that as it is mainly paid for by libraries. The ARC's argument is basically is more of the cost of publication moves to 'paper charges' then the ARC will expect a transfer of funding from libraries to the ARC. I suspect it will be a cold day in hell before the libraries, which have had their budgets slashed for twenty years now and can barely afford to replace wobbly chairs, willingly give up any funding. From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 11:02:21 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:02:21 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45BD069A.4010302@lannet.com.au> References: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com> <45BCBB76.9020307@praxis.com.au> <45BD069A.4010302@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45BD398D.1030104@praxis.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: >>> On 29/01/07, Rick Welykochy wrote: >>>> Heh? AES encryption and decryption cost CPU cycles. Copying data >>>> from one >>>> AES encrypted file to another will be measureably slower than the >>>> equivalent >>>> non-enrypted copy. Microsoft would know this already. We Mac and Linux >>>> users know this. Even if the AES functions are performed on the chip, >>>> DMA to/from the chip will take extra time. Why the spin? > OK, it's not Bitlocker, it's encfs, but I have just run a test to create > a 1M and a 1G file, directly to an ext3 filesystem and to encfs under > ext3. Here are the results, plain files first: > > 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.402128 seconds, 2.6 MB/s > 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 421.027 seconds, 2.6 MB/s > 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.562334 seconds, 1.9 MB/s > 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 587.126 seconds, 1.8 MB/s Thanks for the stats, Howard. I've done similar on Mac OS X, and include the duplication of a 1 GB file, both unencrypted and encrypted. I think that file duplication is the best real-world test, since that is the kind of real world data transfer that will occur, i.e. detach an email attachment, copy photos nd video, fiddle with MP3 files and iTunes, etc.etc. I notice the speed penalities all the time, so much so that I have moved my multimedia files on the Mac to an non-encrypted volume. The encrypted stuff is mainly for business and banking :) Hera are my results, which belies Mickeysoft's statements about little or no impact to your running system ... create 1 MB file, unencrypted 0.315017 secs 3328633 bytes/sec create 1 MB file, encrypted 0.307997 secs 3404501 bytes/sec create 1 GB file, unencrypted 354 secs 3029981 bytes/sec create 1 GB file, encrypted 404 secs 2655760 bytes/sec duplicate 1 GB file, unenc->unenc 120 secs 8947848 bytes/sec duplicate 1 GB file, enc->enc 249 secs 4312216 bytes/sec There is the kicker, in the last result. Note that Johann did not notice the AES encryption with normal usage, and the above results back that up. The encryption overhead for short copies is overshadowed by normal kernel overheads. But when you start doing some Real Work on the machine, it can bog down to 1/2 or less of normal throughput. That is my consistent finding. > I suggest that you should subscribe to his monthly newsheet. I read it religiously every month and sometimes Link gets a dishing of it :) cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 11:07:46 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:07:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <45BD3AD2.20303@praxis.com.au> Glen Turner wrote: > Rick Welykochy wrote: >> On an enterprise system, one would be foolish, nay, insane to >> upgrade to Win/Vista without having a way to revert to your >> old working system. > > Upgrading to Vista in an enterprise isn't going to happen > as it requires physically touching machines (more memory, > etc). Yes, I was going to comment on this common mistake in terminology. I do not see Win/Vista as an upgrade. It involves a complete re-install of an operating system, not a trivial task. Does anyone know if you *can* upgrade an existing XP install to Vista without a complete re-install, i.e. can you keep all your existing apps and data intact? > What will be much more trouble is the new Office -- new > interface, new file formats, nasty links into Sharepoint. > It's not at all clear what the best way to deploy that > is. I *had* to find out what Sharepoint is. "With tools for collaboration that help people stay connected..." "TrialSharePoint helps teams stay connected and productive ..." "... makes it easy for IT departments to implement a dependable, scalable collaboration infrastructure ..." Someone get me a bucket. Fast. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From stil at stilgherrian.com Mon Jan 29 11:13:36 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:13:36 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On 29/1/07 10:55 AM, "Howard Lowndes" wrote: > My gut says that the reaction will be: "We've already got Office and she > ain't broke so we ain't gonna fix it." I don't think Office 2007 will > get installed corporately until the same timetable for Vista. Sounds right to me, given that roughly 20% of my small business clients are still using Office 2002/XP three-plus years after the release of Office 2003. After all, they're not using the vast majority of "features" in the product they have, so why spend more money? That's why Microsoft was running that "dinosaur" advertising campaign to tell people they should upgrade to Office 2003. Personally, I reckon that instead of spending $200-odd per employee on upgrading office (plus installation and support costs), they should spend that money on training (getting staff to use the features so they work more efficiently) or programming (a few custom macros in Office can do wonders). Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From bpa at iss.net.au Mon Jan 29 11:18:30 2007 From: bpa at iss.net.au (Brenda Aynsley) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:48:30 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45BD3D56.5090500@iss.net.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > > Glen Turner wrote: [snip] >> What will be much more trouble is the new Office -- new >> interface, new file formats, nasty links into Sharepoint. >> It's not at all clear what the best way to deploy that >> is. > > My gut says that the reaction will be: "We've already got Office and she > ain't broke so we ain't gonna fix it." I don't think Office 2007 will > get installed corporately until the same timetable for Vista. > I see sharepoint as being a long sought after collaboration environment that ships with small business server, those who have SBS and need collaboration will jump at the chance of upgrading to the new office in order to take advantage of this functionality. It is compelling for this purpose. cheers brenda -- Brenda Aynsley, FACS Director Oz Business Partners http://www.ozbusinesspartners.com/ Mobile:+61(0) 412 662 988 || Skype: callto://baynsley Phone:08 8357 8844 Fax:08 8272 7486 Nodephone:08 7127 0107 Chairman Pearcey Foundation, SA Committee www.pearcey.org.au Immediate Past Chairman ACS SA Branch www.acs.org.au/sa From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 11:33:42 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:33:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45BD398D.1030104@praxis.com.au> References: <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280620l29e59339u3cb0abceffb4c04@mail.gmail.com> <45BCBB76.9020307@praxis.com.au> <45BD069A.4010302@lannet.com.au> <45BD398D.1030104@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45BD40E6.3090708@praxis.com.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > There is the kicker, in the last result. Note that Johann did not > notice the AES encryption with normal usage, and the above results > back that up. The encryption overhead for short copies is overshadowed > by normal kernel overheads. But when you start doing some Real Work > on the machine, it can bog down to 1/2 or less of normal throughput. > That is my consistent finding. Might I add here that if the entire C: drive is AES encrypted on Windows, then the entire system is bound to run slower, perhaps even at 1/2 speed where disk access is concerned, when heavy loads are applied to the system. This is because when you run an application, the app is read from an encrypted file system and then paged into memory in a re-encrypted form. As well, all the application data is encrypted and thus must be decrypted as well. I'll stop harping on about the speed penalty, but trust me. It is there. Far better to encrypt just the home directories. As well, since there are GB of known plain text on a Windows Vista system, having all that plain text available in a form that is encrypted using your precious secret key is just asking for trouble. This is because the more encrypted known plain text you have, the easier it is to break the cipher. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From grove at zeta.org.au Mon Jan 29 11:44:12 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:44:12 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD3D56.5090500@iss.net.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> <45BD3D56.5090500@iss.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Brenda Aynsley wrote: > I see sharepoint as being a long sought after collaboration environment that > ships with small business server, those who have SBS and need collaboration > will jump at the chance of upgrading to the new office in order to take > advantage of this functionality. It is compelling for this purpose. What does sharepoint do, that private wiki or peer2peer systems do not? What facilities does sharepoint offer that cannot be reproduced by Apache/Perl/PHP and so on? We have sharepoint here and all it seems to be is some sort of repository for uploading word documents. I tried searching on unique terms that I knew existed in the docs, but it returned no results, so I do not think it's indexing is particularly good. Of course I am on Solaris and so only seeing it from the perspective of a web browser. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 11:46:07 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:46:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <45BD3C08.8070103@lannet.com.au> References: <45BD3529.9090005@praxis.com.au> <45BD3C08.8070103@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45BD43CF.2010900@praxis.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > http://www.stupidlaws.com/ Urgh ... you gotta do better than that, Howard! That site contains approx. one stupid (American) law per category; the site seems to exist solely for the ads is spews out! Perhpas: http://www.dumblaws.com/ cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 11:50:03 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:50:03 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <45BD43CF.2010900@praxis.com.au> References: <45BD3529.9090005@praxis.com.au> <45BD3C08.8070103@lannet.com.au> <45BD43CF.2010900@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45BD44BB.6010508@praxis.com.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > Perhpas: http://www.dumblaws.com/ Ah, got it: http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/international/australia/ Way off topic now! cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From bpa at iss.net.au Mon Jan 29 11:57:20 2007 From: bpa at iss.net.au (Brenda Aynsley) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:27:20 +1030 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> <45BD3D56.5090500@iss.net.au> Message-ID: <45BD4670.4040107@iss.net.au> grove at zeta.org.au wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Brenda Aynsley wrote: > >> I see sharepoint as being a long sought after collaboration >> environment that ships with small business server, those who have SBS >> and need collaboration will jump at the chance of upgrading to the new >> office in order to take advantage of this functionality. It is >> compelling for this purpose. > > > What does sharepoint do, that private wiki or peer2peer systems do not? > > What facilities does sharepoint offer that cannot be reproduced > by Apache/Perl/PHP and so on? probably not a thing, rachel, however like I said, if the small business already has SBS, they are in all likelihood locked into the MS paradigm. "It's there, let's use it, every other windows user we deal with will be doing the same so lets stick with what's known and can be supported. It might also be possible to share our document drafts easily with our associates using sharepoint too." is probably how the argument/rationale goes. cheers brenda -- Brenda Aynsley, FACS Director Oz Business Partners http://www.ozbusinesspartners.com/ Mobile:+61(0) 412 662 988 || Skype: callto://baynsley Phone:08 8357 8844 Fax:08 8272 7486 Nodephone:08 7127 0107 Chairman Pearcey Foundation, SA Committee www.pearcey.org.au Immediate Past Chairman ACS SA Branch www.acs.org.au/sa From avi.miller at squiz.net Mon Jan 29 12:46:15 2007 From: avi.miller at squiz.net (Avi Miller) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:46:15 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> <45BD3D56.5090500@iss.net.au> Message-ID: <612A142C-6079-4740-96FC-901AE30E5616@squiz.net> On 29/01/2007, at 11:44 AM, grove at zeta.org.au wrote: > What does sharepoint do, that private wiki or peer2peer systems do > not? SharePoint Team Services is tightly integrated with Office (2003 and 2007) in the sense that the File Open/Save dialog boxes will open/ save documents into a SharePoint web. Also, the embedded commenting engine works with a SharePoint web and all the other collaboration tools that are "nifty" all work against SharePoint. If you *have* Office and you *have* SharePoint then you get tight integration for free, essentially. There are no products in the Apache/Perl/PHP/whatever space that have this level of integration yet. Though, if you know of a WebDAV server with embedded commenting AND a very pretty web interface, please let me know. Also, keep in mind that SharePoint Team Services and SharePoint Portal Services are two different products that do very different things. STS ships with SBS, whereas SPS is a commercial product in its own right. And yes, I used the acronyms on purpose because it amused me. :) cYa, Avi -- National Manager - Special Projects < Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London /> 2/340 Gore Street T: +61 (0) 3 9235 5400 Fitzroy, VIC F: +61 (0) 3 9235 5444 3065 W: http://www.squiz.net ..... > > Open Source - Own It - Squiz.net ...... /> From tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au Mon Jan 29 15:20:46 2007 From: tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au (Antony Barry) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:20:46 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Fwd: MR4/2007: ACMA seeks comment on draft access scheme for IPND References: <06929470011700432936742@subscribedmailings.com> Message-ID: <5AC399E6-9653-4ECA-8BF4-55E1EEE2FA5D@tony-barry.emu.id.au> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Australian Communications & Media Authority" > > Date: 29 January 2007 3:01:33 PM > To: > Subject: MR4/2007: ACMA seeks comment on draft access scheme for IPND > Reply-To: media at acma.gov.au > > ACMA seeks comment on draft access scheme for IPND > > As a result of recent amendments to the Telecommunications Act > 1997, the Australian Communications and Media Authority will set up > and administer a scheme for access to the Integrated Public Number > Database (IPND) by public number directory producers and > researchers. ACMA has today released a draft of the > Telecommunications Integrated Public Number Database Scheme 2007 > (IPND scheme) for public consultation. The full media release can > be found at: > http://www.acma.gov.au/ACMAINTER:STANDARD::pc=PC_101040 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > UNSUBSCRIBE INFORMATION > This email was sent to tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au, by
Mailing > list manager. > To opt-out of any future messages, please use the url below:- > http://elmn.com/?0074529101595tony at tony-barry.emu.id.au > We will respect your decision to receive no further emails from us. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------- > > phone : 02 6241 7659 | mailto:me at Tony-Barry.emu.id.au mobile: 04 1242 0397 | mailto:tony.barry at alianet.alia.org.au http://tony-barry.emu.id.au From brendansweb at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 29 15:52:17 2007 From: brendansweb at optusnet.com.au (Brendan Scott) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:52:17 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Open access publishing not a threat to research grants In-Reply-To: <45BD385C.4060600@aarnet.edu.au> References: <20070128223817.0409E112CA@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> <45BD385C.4060600@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <45BD7D81.7090604@optusnet.com.au> Glen Turner wrote: > Tom Worthington wrote: > >> Perhaps some indicator is needed to show those articles for which >> authors have paid to have published. These can then be discounted buy >> the reader (and excluded from reputable lists of published research). >> Unfortunately Australian universities have been encouraging such vanity >> publishing by their own university presses. > > IEEE and ACM publications usually ask for money. This is done > separately from the paper committee and your paper is published > regardless. So 'paid to be published' isn't straight-forward to > identify. > > What you are seeing here is a bunfight between the ARC and > the universities about if open access publishing is part > of the 'infrastructure' (and thus not funded by ARC grants) > or not. The ARC are on the back foot because they currently > fund 'paper charges' such as the one's I described above. Do they factor in cost savings in the (future) access to open research papers? Brendan From sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au Mon Jan 29 17:10:37 2007 From: sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au (steve jenkin) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:10:37 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Still interest in Open Source in teaching Universities Message-ID: <45BD8FDD.601@canb.auug.org.au> FYI. There is still interest at teaching Uni's in Open Source... Recruitment Ad: Global IT Community Supports UNSW 29 January 2007 [photo] Pia Waugh from Linux, Gernot Heiser from UNSW and Ted T'so from USENIX The IT community has acted to support technical teaching of computer engineering at UNSW by donating more then $100,000 to the John Lions Chair in Operating Systems. The chair, which was established late last year, aims to enable an eminent academic to continue the John Lions tradition of insightful and inspirational teaching in operating systems. Speaking about the donation, Professor Gernot Heiser, from the School of Computer Science and Engineering, said: ?In computer science there is currently a trend of moving away from hardcore technical teaching to soft skills. UNSW has always recognised that there is a need for soft skills but not at the cost of the technical training. That commitment from the University is the reason behind the strong IT community support for this chair.? The donation was presented to the University at an international conference hosted by Linux Australia and held at UNSW. It was raised through the efforts of UNSW engineering alumni, Linux Australia and USENIX, which is a global association for advanced computer systems. ?The industry likes the idea of a Chair being created in the name of John Lions and providing support for in-depth teaching of operating systems, such as is taught at UNSW. This is about teaching students to create, not just use, technology,? Professor Heiser explains. In 2005 global wireless communications giant Qualcomm donated US$500,000, which allowed the chair to be established. The current donation is a significant step towards raising the $2 million necessary to make the chair ongoing. John Lions was an Associate Professor at UNSW. Renowned as an outstanding teacher, he wrote a commentary on the UNIX code which became a technical bible for students, hackers and qualified professionals and was a key factor in developing the Open Source movement. For more information on the Chair and appeal please go to -- Steve Jenkin, Info Tech, Systems and Design Specialist. 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) PO Box 48, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~sjenkin From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Mon Jan 29 23:23:27 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:23:27 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <200701290101.l0T11Pro000461@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: > Regarding point (c), a respected judge in Canada reviewed the Canadian >> Criminal >> Code back in the 1970's (or so) and found it could be reduced easily to >> 1/10th >> of its current size. It would take a lot of will and a lot of rewriting >> to do so. >> Why for example is there a law outlawing the pilfering of lobster from >> lobster >> traps? I've forgotten who it was, but some prominent writer once apologised for the length of his letter saying, "I'm sorry, I didn't have the time to write a short one." Which, as every write knows, is the problem. I bet it took that judge weeks to reduce the code size. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From mgm-ns at tardis.net Mon Jan 29 23:33:50 2007 From: mgm-ns at tardis.net (Malcolm Miles) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:33:50 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70qrr2h617vsg11eru6qhqgjk6gufoigp4@4ax.com> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:05:21 +1100, you wrote: >I've just posted an article on my business website explaining why small >businesses shouldn't rush out to upgrade to Vista. Comments appreciated -- >especially if I've got something wrong or been too harsh. > > http://prussia.net/tips/upgrade_vista_not_yet/ "Microsoft?s new Windows Vista is available in Australia from midnight tonight. Should you upgrade your business? No, not yet." Vista has been available to businesses since the end of November last year. Tomorrow is the retail release. "If you run into a problem, it?ll take longer to fix (and be more expensive!) because your computer support people won?t have as much experience to draw upon" Many computer support people would have been working with Vista for over a year as part of the beta program. "Are your computers fast enough run Vista effectively, or will you need to upgrade" Most corporates roll over their PCs every 3 years or so. Most PCs purchased in the last 3 years will run Vista. "Is all of your current hardware and software compatible, or will that need to be upgraded too? Are Vista versions of your key software even available yet" Most business applications would be compatible with Vista. Even my old DOS apps from the late 80s run. "Does Vista actually add any must-have tools for your business? Then why are you wasting your time and money? " The biggest benefit is that at last you can easily run a Windows operating system without giving your users administrator rights. In itself, this will significantly reduce support costs. -- Best wishes, Malcolm From mgm-ns at tardis.net Mon Jan 29 23:43:09 2007 From: mgm-ns at tardis.net (Malcolm Miles) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:43:09 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <4iqrr2pocg9or8lf649i530p7n8la9mig4@4ax.com> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:04:03 +1030, you wrote: >Upgrading to Vista in an enterprise isn't going to happen >as it requires physically touching machines (more memory, >etc). Any business PC purchased or leased in the last 3 years is quite likely to be able to run Vista without the need to change or upgrade the hardware. >At some point after training and the like has been set up >new incoming machines will run Vista rather than Xp. So >the date of interest to enterprises is the last orderable >date for Windows Xp, which looks like two years hence. Businesses are usually permitted to downgrade the operating system from that supplied on the PC. So even when PCs are shipped with Vista, businesses can keep installing earlier versions of Windows for the life of Vista. >What will be much more trouble is the new Office -- new >interface, new file formats, nasty links into Sharepoint. The new interface will take a bit of getting used to but in less time than you would expect with such a major redesign. You can setup Office 2007 to save in the the old formats by default, or you can roll out an upgrade to the old Office versions that will allow them to read and write the new format. While Office 2007 can interwork with SharePoint there is nothing in it that requires you to run SharePoint. >It's not at all clear what the best way to deploy that >is. It is quite clear and we are planning to do just that over the next few months. -- Best wishes, Malcolm From mgm-ns at tardis.net Mon Jan 29 23:45:28 2007 From: mgm-ns at tardis.net (Malcolm Miles) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:45:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:55:37 +1100, you wrote: >My gut says that the reaction will be: "We've already got Office and she >ain't broke so we ain't gonna fix it." Alternatively "We've already paid for it with Software Assurance as part of our Volume Licensing agreement so we better get our money's worth and upgrade as soon as we can". -- Best wishes, Malcolm From jwhit at melbpc.org.au Mon Jan 29 23:42:04 2007 From: jwhit at melbpc.org.au (Jan Whitaker) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:42:04 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD248E.7020103@lannet.com.au> References: <45BD248E.7020103@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <5ii1nk$17j4tf@ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net> At 09:32 AM 29/01/2007, Howard Lowndes wrote: >I think M$ have committed to support for XP until 2010, so your "two >years" is wrong. Sorry, but can't cite. Microsoft extends life of Windows XP 26 January 2007 at 06h16 SAn Francisco - Microsoft announced that it was extending technical support for home Windows XP operating systems, a signal that it was not abandoning them for Vista software launching next week. Until April 2009 The Redmond, Washington software giant said the "support life cycle" for Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Media Center Edition would be stretched to April 2009. Similar support would be provided for users of Windows XP Professional, according to Microsoft. Microsoft's next-generation Vista operating system made its business debut in November and home-computer versions will be launched on January 30. Vista is Microsoft's first revamped operating system in five years. - AFP www.ioltechnology.co.za/article_page.php?iArticleId=3647778&iSectionId=2886 Jan Whitaker JLWhitaker Associates, Melbourne Victoria jwhit at janwhitaker.com business: http://www.janwhitaker.com personal: http://www.janwhitaker.com/personal/ commentary: http://janwhitaker.com/jansblog/ 'Seed planting is often the most important step. Without the seed, there is no plant.' - JW, April 2005 _ __________________ _ From mgm-ns at tardis.net Mon Jan 29 23:56:59 2007 From: mgm-ns at tardis.net (Malcolm Miles) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 23:56:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD3AD2.20303@praxis.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD3AD2.20303@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:07:46 +1100, you wrote: >Does anyone know if you *can* upgrade an existing XP install >to Vista without a complete re-install, i.e. can you keep all your >existing apps and data intact? Yes, you can. In most cases, the old data is moved to the side in the local hard-drive and a new Windows Vista image is cleanly installed. The user data, applications and settings are then put back onto the new Windows Vista desktop. -- Best wishes, Malcolm From grove at zeta.org.au Tue Jan 30 00:12:39 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:12:39 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Malcolm Miles wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:55:37 +1100, you wrote: > >> My gut says that the reaction will be: "We've already got Office and she >> ain't broke so we ain't gonna fix it." > > Alternatively "We've already paid for it with Software Assurance as > part of our Volume Licensing agreement so we better get our money's > worth and upgrade as soon as we can". ....and thus the treadmill of grief continues..... rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From kim at holburn.net Tue Jan 30 04:42:49 2007 From: kim at holburn.net (Kim Holburn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:42:49 +0100 Subject: [LINK] No-fly zone spoils Google's big day out Message-ID: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/01/29/1169919256978.html? page=fullpage#contentSwap2 > Scores of Sydneysiders who took up Google's challenge to make a > spectacle of themselves in an aerial photo shoot staged over the > city on Australia Day are likely to be disappointed. > > A plane chartered by Google to take the images never made it over > some of the designated areas or arrived hours later than expected > by which time, many of those who had been waiting below had moved on. > > The high-resolution images were to be added in about four to six > weeks' time to the popular online mapping service Google Maps > > But the flight plan was hastily changed on Friday morning after > Sydney air traffic control denied the twin-engine Aero Commander > permission to fly over parks and beaches in inner Sydney and the > east due to air safety concerns > > Mr Terry O'Connor, a spokesman for Air Services Australia, which > oversees air traffic control, said that the pilot was warned when > the flight plans were lodged last week that it would be "very > difficult or impossible" to give the plane clearance to fly over > some of the proposed areas. > > He said they were told the flight path would depend on air traffic > at the time. > > Among those missing out on the photo opportunity of a lifetime was > a company that had spent $10,000-plus on a sign, an environmental > group which organised 200 supporters to form themselves into a > slogan on Bondi Beach and a man who drove from Wollongong to Sydney > with a message that he hoped would help win back his estranged wife. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From kim.holburn at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 06:07:17 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:07:17 +0100 Subject: [LINK] No-fly zone spoils Google's big day out Message-ID: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/01/29/1169919256978.html? page=fullpage#contentSwap2 > Scores of Sydneysiders who took up Google's challenge to make a > spectacle of themselves in an aerial photo shoot staged over the > city on Australia Day are likely to be disappointed. > > A plane chartered by Google to take the images never made it over > some of the designated areas or arrived hours later than expected > by which time, many of those who had been waiting below had moved on. > > The high-resolution images were to be added in about four to six > weeks' time to the popular online mapping service Google Maps > > But the flight plan was hastily changed on Friday morning after > Sydney air traffic control denied the twin-engine Aero Commander > permission to fly over parks and beaches in inner Sydney and the > east due to air safety concerns > > Mr Terry O'Connor, a spokesman for Air Services Australia, which > oversees air traffic control, said that the pilot was warned when > the flight plans were lodged last week that it would be "very > difficult or impossible" to give the plane clearance to fly over > some of the proposed areas. > > He said they were told the flight path would depend on air traffic > at the time. > > Among those missing out on the photo opportunity of a lifetime was > a company that had spent $10,000-plus on a sign, an environmental > group which organised 200 supporters to form themselves into a > slogan on Bondi Beach and a man who drove from Wollongong to Sydney > with a message that he hoped would help win back his estranged wife. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From kim.holburn at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 07:53:33 2007 From: kim.holburn at gmail.com (Kim Holburn) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:53:33 +0100 Subject: [LINK] Sweden plans embassy in Second Life Message-ID: <01D37747-8D3F-4E42-AB8D-EC899EF7B188@gmail.com> Is that weird or what? http://www.smh.com.au/news/games/sweden-plans-embassy-in-second-life/ 2007/01/27/1169788744103.html > Sweden plans embassy in Second Life > January 29, 2007 - 2:20PM > > Sweden is to become the first country to establish diplomatic > representation in the virtual reality world of Second Life, > officials said. > > "We are planning to establish a Swedish embassy in Second Life > primarily as an information portal for Sweden," Swedish Institute > (SI) director Olle Waestberg has told AFP. > > The embassy would not provide passports or visas but would instruct > visitors how to obtain such documents in the real world and act as > a link to web-based information about the Scandinavian country. > > "Second Life allows us to inform people about Sweden and broaden > the opportunity for contact with Sweden easily and cheaply," > Waestberg said. > > The Swedish Institute is an agency of the Swedish foreign ministry > tasked with informing the world about Sweden. The ministry fully > backed the initiative, he added. > > Second Life - a fantasy world inhabited by computer-generated > residents (called avatars) created by San Francisco technology > company Linden Lab - has attracted several real-world companies, > including car manufacturers and sports clothing makers, which > created 3-D stores. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant Ph: +39 06 855 4294 M: +39 3342707610 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request Democracy imposed from without is the severest form of tyranny. -- Lloyd Biggle, Jr. Analog, Apr 1961 From marghanita at ramin.com.au Tue Jan 30 08:29:38 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:29:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Re: Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <45BBBCF0.8040205@praxis.com.au> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <45BAA6F7.5030506@ramin.com.au> <45BBBCF0.8040205@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45BE6742.8070109@ramin.com.au> Rick Welykochy wrote: > *IF* you can encrypt your home directory and then keep all > your data in that home directory, I think that you are quite > safe travelling with a PC. Given the alternative is the Airport lounge/Public computer and we recall what could happen when you use those PCs. and just came across this > > Portable storage devices invite big problems > By Elisabeth Horwitt, Contributor > 10 Apr 2006 | SearchSMB.com > Small storage devices are inexpensive, ubiquitous, easy to use -- and easy to lose. For business IT departments, that constitutes a potentially serious security problem. A $30 Universal Serial Bus Flash drive casually misplaced in a restaurant or airport lounge may contain sensitive data that can leave a company vulnerable to a rival, or a lawsuit. In one much-publicized case, a former employee of a major financial institution unwittingly sold on eBay a wireless handheld device containing an ex-employer's customer list. > Though lugging a PC or laptop around is not particularly convenient. Is anyone a convert to a PDA? > > Here is one example that got me: I stored encrypted data on my > iPod and went traveling. When I plugged the iPod into a friend's > PC in Germany, the data could not be read. I forgot that the file > system used on the iPod was HFS for the Mac and that Windows > cannot read such a file system. In this case there is no good > solution since the Mac forces you to use the HFS file system > when the iPod is connected to a Mac. > > The same problem does not occur with memory sticks since they all > use the FAT32 file system, even Macs. > > cheers > rickw > > > -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From brd at iimetro.com.au Tue Jan 30 08:48:28 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:48:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BE6BAC.4060109@iimetro.com.au> Stewart Fist wrote: > I've forgotten who it was, but some prominent writer once apologised for the > length of his letter saying, "I'm sorry, I didn't have the time to write a > short one." Which, as every write knows, is the problem. I didn?t have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead. - Mark Twain Who else? -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From stil at stilgherrian.com Tue Jan 30 08:51:21 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:51:21 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <70qrr2h617vsg11eru6qhqgjk6gufoigp4@4ax.com> Message-ID: Malcolm, thanks for your comments. However I think that many of your responses are more relevant to the enterprise environment. My target audience for the article (and the client base I'm dealing with) is small business -- the "very small businesses" with ten or fewer employees, who make up the vast bulk of businesses in Australia. Indeed, the bulk of the clients I'm working with have five or fewer employees. None of what you wrote changes my advice that they shouldn't rush to upgrade to Vista. After all, I said, "Not yet" rather than "Never". On 29/1/07 11:33 PM, "Malcolm Miles" wrote: > Vista has been available to businesses since the end of November last > year. Tomorrow is the retail release. Yes, and the vast majority of these businesses buy their software retail. > "If you run into a problem, it?ll take longer to fix (and be more > expensive!) because your computer support people won?t have as much > experience to draw upon" > > Many computer support people would have been working with Vista for > over a year as part of the beta program. In a corporate environment maybe. In my experience, small businesses rely on rather over-worked support people who are too busy servicing their clients to have time to play with software their clients don't use yet. Also, the "knowledge base" of support information simple isn't online yet. The real-world problems will only start emerging today, and the forums will only start filling with the useful tips over the coming weeks. > Most corporates roll over their PCs every 3 years or so. Most PCs > purchased in the last 3 years will run Vista. "Most" means that some will not. So it's a valid and important question to ask. > Most business applications would be compatible with Vista. Even my old > DOS apps from the late 80s run. "Most" means that some will not. So it's a valid and important question to ask. > "Does Vista actually add any must-have tools for your business? Then > why are you wasting your time and money? " > > The biggest benefit is that at last you can easily run a Windows > operating system without giving your users administrator rights. In > itself, this will significantly reduce support costs. True. But in this small business environment, even the concept of having different user accounts for different people, or making sure people don't hand out their passwords to other employees willy-nilly, is still a new concept. Most small businesses of this size do not have regular maintenance or even have someone working on their systems routinely. It's more likely that they'll deal with things themselves, and then call in the "expert" when something goes wrong. The aim of the article was to prevent someone rushing out today, installing Vista, and the being unable to run his or her business this week. I don't know your background at all, Malcolm, but the differences between "corporate" and "small business" are vast, and I'm continually amazed at how corporate IT types are complete unaware of this difference. Those differences are certainly the subject for an article at some point. But small business or corporate, I still think anyone who's upgrading their business computers to Vista this week is taking a very big risk. Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From stil at stilgherrian.com Tue Jan 30 08:52:42 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:52:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <5ii1nk$17j4tf@ipmail03.adl2.internode.on.net> Message-ID: On 29/1/07 11:42 PM, "Jan Whitaker" quoted: > The Redmond, Washington software giant said the "support life cycle" > for Windows XP Home Edition and Windows XP Media Center Edition > would be stretched to April 2009. Even more reason not to rush into Vista... Stil From stil at stilgherrian.com Tue Jan 30 09:06:34 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:06:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 29/1/07 11:45 PM, "Malcolm Miles" wrote: >> My gut says that the reaction will be: "We've already got Office and she >> ain't broke so we ain't gonna fix it." > > Alternatively "We've already paid for it with Software Assurance as > part of our Volume Licensing agreement so we better get our money's > worth and upgrade as soon as we can". I have yet to encounter a small business with fewer than 20 employees who'd even heard of volume software licensing. The vast majority of those at the smallest end of the market don't even know that software is "licensed" rather than "bought", and perhaps half are unaware that a license can say things like "per computer" or "may not be transferred". I should flag that these are business that actually *do* and *make* things, not businesses that are all about computers. Perhaps the biggest problem I find with "computer people" talking to these businesses is understanding that computers are (or should be) a very small part of their attention span. Think: a catering company with a 4-person office, a small PR firm (two women, one laptop each), a hypnotherapist and his office assistant, a woman who runs bridal parties (sole trader), a husband-and-wife team starting to sell DVDs retail online, another husband-and-wife team and their office assistant selling resources to teachers, a construction company (a few builders and their office manager)... Honestly, the "need" to upgrade to Vista is WAY down their list -- and that's right and proper, IMHO. They'd be better off spending a few hundred dollars getting someone to show them the few thousand features of Office 2003 that they don't use, let along given them yet more tools (toys?) that will never, ever be used. Stil -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From brd at iimetro.com.au Tue Jan 30 09:11:05 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:11:05 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The cost of monoculture Message-ID: <45BE70F9.1070607@iimetro.com.au> The cost of monoculture http://www.kanai.net/weblog/archive/2007/01/26/00h53m55s What would you say if I told you that there was a nation that was at the forefront of technology, an early adopter of ecommerce, leading the world in 3G mobile adoption, in wireless broadband, in wired broadband adoption, as well as in citizen-driven media. Sounds like an amazing place, right? Technology utopia? Wrong. This nation is also a unique monoculture where 99.9% of all the computer users are on Microsoft Windows. This nation is a place where Apple Macintosh users cannot bank online, make any purchases online, or interact with any of the nation's e-government sites online. In fact, Linux users, Mozilla Firefox users and Opera users are also banned from any of these types of transactions because all encrypted communications online in this nation must be done with Active X controls. Where is this nation? South Korea. ..... etc -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Mon Jan 29 15:44:13 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:44:13 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Marketing Free Open Source Software, Canberra, 31 January 2007 Message-ID: <20070129223042.DD9591DC92@heartbeat1.messagingengine.com> Some linkers will recall assembling at the Hotel Kurrajong in Canberra for drinks and discussion in 1995 . Looks like the FOSS people are continuing the tradition (all welcome but RSVP on their we site ): --- Next Meeting - Wednesday 31st January @ 4:00pm - Hotel Kurrajong Submitted by Justin Freeman on Mon, 14/08/2006 - 3:36pm. G'day FOSSACT'ors The next meeting will be held on Wednesday 31st January @ 4:00pm at the Kurrajong Hotel in Barton, Canberra. Presentation Pia Waugh will be presenting to the group about Marketing Your Business and FOSS Advocacy In The Enterprise, Linux Conference 2007 and other good stuff. RSVP It would be appreciated if you could please RSVP if you are coming to this event. Please note that this meeting will be held in the Kurrajong conference room up stairs behind the reception desk. If you get lost just ask at reception. Look forward to seeing you there! --- Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Jan 30 10:58:28 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:58:28 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BE8A24.3050704@praxis.com.au> Stewart Fist wrote: > I've forgotten who it was, but some prominent writer once apologised for the > length of his letter saying, "I'm sorry, I didn't have the time to write a > short one." Which, as every write knows, is the problem. > > I bet it took that judge weeks to reduce the code size. I bet it took longer. The judge was alos eliminating laws that duplicated existing legislation. That is the tough part. There are alos a lot of antiquated laws dealing with tying up horses, bails of hay in taxis, etc. that should be struck off the books. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From rick at praxis.com.au Tue Jan 30 11:14:30 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:14:30 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The cost of monoculture In-Reply-To: <45BE70F9.1070607@iimetro.com.au> References: <45BE70F9.1070607@iimetro.com.au> Message-ID: <45BE8DE6.8060708@praxis.com.au> Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > This nation is also a unique monoculture where 99.9% of all the computer > users are on Microsoft Windows. This nation is a place where Apple > Macintosh users cannot bank online, make any purchases online, or > interact with any of the nation's e-government sites online. In fact, > Linux users, Mozilla Firefox users and Opera users are also banned from > any of these types of transactions because all encrypted communications > online in this nation must be done with Active X controls. > > Where is this nation? > > South Korea. The real cost is the ease at which North Korea (for example) could take out the entire cybersphere of South Korea in one fell swoop. Find a 0-day attack that is worm-based and let 'er rip. The only thing left standing will be the few hapless Linux and Mac users. The same applies here as it does to a mono-culture in the biosphere: one virulent pests can wipe out the whole lot. Although in this case it would be one virulent pest wiping out another 8-) cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services People who enjoy eating sausage and obey the law should not watch either being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From stil at stilgherrian.com Tue Jan 30 11:27:38 2007 From: stil at stilgherrian.com (Stilgherrian) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:27:38 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <45BE8A24.3050704@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: On 30/1/07 10:58 AM, "Rick Welykochy" wrote: > There are alos a lot of antiquated laws dealing with tying up > horses, bails of hay in taxis, etc. that should be struck off > the books. Obviously, Rick, you've never had your taxi journey destroyed by inconsiderate people with their oppressive bales of hay, otherwise you'd never say that! Stil :) -- Stilgherrian http://stilgherrian.com/ Internet, IT and Media Consulting, Sydney, Australia mobile +61 407 623 600 fax +61 2 9516 5630 ABN 25 231 641 421 From eleanor at pacific.net.au Tue Jan 30 11:27:59 2007 From: eleanor at pacific.net.au (Eleanor Lister) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:27:59 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Sweden plans embassy in Second Life In-Reply-To: <01D37747-8D3F-4E42-AB8D-EC899EF7B188@gmail.com> References: <01D37747-8D3F-4E42-AB8D-EC899EF7B188@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BE910F.8070506@pacific.net.au> Kim Holburn wrote: > Is that weird or what? > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/games/sweden-plans-embassy-in-second-life/2007/01/27/1169788744103.html > > >> Sweden plans embassy in Second Life >> January 29, 2007 - 2:20PM >> >> Sweden is to become the first country to establish diplomatic >> representation in the virtual reality world of Second Life, officials >> said. >> >> "We are planning to establish a Swedish embassy in Second Life >> primarily as an information portal for Sweden," Swedish Institute >> (SI) director Olle Waestberg has told AFP. not weird at all, really. i discovered 2nd Life a couple of weeks ago when they went open source, and also released a linux client (i guess they figured it'd be hard to get much of the open source crew on board with windows!) at first i was puzzled, because there was no "game" as such, and then i began to think it was all a big commercial scam, but a few things changed my mind. - i found it a neat way to meet friends online, more fun than IRC or IM, and none of those pesky webcams - i went to some meetings of interest groups, and found them ... interesting. - it dawned on me that the real fun is world building. you can buy land, put up buildings (fantastical structures admired), design and build artefacts, buildings, bodies, and just about anything else (i met one chap who had become an aeroplane and gave me a lift) - there is a straightforward scripting language, and anybody, even the free users, can build things (you only need to be a subscriber to buy land) for an ageing hippie programmer, this is great fun. so an embassy? reuters? ibm? of course, cyberspace is open for colonisation, grab your mule (or buy or build one) and mosey on out there. www.secondlife.com grinning, EL. -- ------------ Eleanor Ashley Lister South Sydney Greens http://ssg.nsw.greens.org.au webmistress at ssg.nsw.greens.org.au From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Tue Jan 30 11:59:18 2007 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:59:18 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The cost of monoculture In-Reply-To: <45BE938D.6080506@lannet.com.au> References: <45BE70F9.1070607@iimetro.com.au> <45BE8DE6.8060708@praxis.com.au> <45BE938D.6080506@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070130005918.GA647@mail.medsci.usyd.edu.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > Mmmm, perhaps something along the line of U235 would be more likely from NK. This is unnecessary. Seoul is within easy artillery reach of North Korea. http://cns.miis.edu/research/korea/dprkmil.htm Seoul, the South Korean capitol, lies within range of North Korean long-range artillery. Five hundred 170mm Koksan guns and 200 multiple-launch rocket systems could hit Seoul with artillery shells and chemical weapons, causing panic and massive civilian casualties. North Korea has between 500 and 600 Scud missiles that could strike targets throughout South Korea with conventional warheads or chemical weapons. North Korea could hit Japan with its 100 No-dong missiles. http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0308/military.nkorea/content6.html # North Korea has an estimated 13,000 hardened artillery sites, many of the pieces aimed at targets in and around the South Korean capital, Seoul. # Like much of North Korea's armed forces, they are well camouflaged and bunkered in. # 4,000 are near the DMZ and 200 to 300 in range of Seoul. # U.S. officials believe every fourth round has a chemical tip. A worst case worm attack might stop South Korean finances for a week, which would be pretty bad for the economy. It's not clear what that would achieve for North Korea, but in any event it's a far cry from having several million people killed and entire cities levelled. Danny. --------------------------------------------------------- http://dannyreviews.com/ - over nine hundred book reviews http://danny.oz.au/ - civil liberties, travel tales, blog --------------------------------------------------------- From grove at zeta.org.au Tue Jan 30 12:04:36 2007 From: grove at zeta.org.au (grove at zeta.org.au) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:04:36 +1100 (EST) Subject: [LINK] The cost of monoculture In-Reply-To: <45BE8DE6.8060708@praxis.com.au> References: <45BE70F9.1070607@iimetro.com.au> <45BE8DE6.8060708@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: > The same applies here as it does to a mono-culture in the biosphere: one > virulent pests can wipe out the whole lot. Although in this case it would > be one virulent pest wiping out another 8-) > > cheers > rickw I feel so vindicated as I recall a time when I used to repeatedly say words to the effect of "Destroy Microsoft" on this list back in the 90's and was politely asked to tone it down. I guess it took the rest of you 10 years to catch up to me ;) I believe these days however, that people are basically either addicted to their products and cannot be swayed, or are "true believers" in Billware and/or just do not understand anything about Operating Systems and good hygiene. I had to just give up an argument yesterday with one of the supervisors who has eaten the brown acid and swallowed the CAUDIT koolaid who swore black and blue that Microsoft and Vista was going to be the saviour of the Enterprise and that eventually we are all going to have to agree that it is Best Practice to use their products over and above anyone elses. And that OSX was no better than Vista because of the prescense of a single "virus" for that platform, even though I tried to explain that it cannot be a "virus" if you have to execute it manually to take effect. These days, I ignore the debate as much as I can, knowing it is unwinnable in the face of huge marketing ploys, subsidies via plans like CAUDIT, "lock in" schemes and so on. Now these days, I just want to say, "go ahead and use Microsoft, 10 million blowflies can't be wrong, either..." In the meantime, I am being productive with my computers, doing real work that has implications in the real world and expanding my horizons rather than reliving the "ground hog day" of a kinda/sorta new OS. Microsoft is poison to the IT Industry. It is self serving and productivity destroying. It is a Pyramid scheme of the worst kind. When Civilisation finally collapses, it will be in no small part to the use of Microsoft products, as they will be as ubiquitous as the lead pipe in Roman villas. I foresee a time when most IT graduates will know nothing of other OS philosophies and their roles will be eventually dumbed down to the same level of mobile phone sales persons. Australia is fast becoming a "shop front" economy and MS is helping keep us there, by stifling innovation and providing products that are "just good enough" and locking the users into a treadmill of mediocrity, when we could all really do so much more. I keep thinking about the quote that says the current PC is about the tech equivalent of the Model T Ford and that it's full potential will not be revealed for some time to come. While ever the philosophy is that we buy a computer to run an OS, rather than appreciating that the OS is meant to run your computer, that time will never come. rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove at zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au Tue Jan 30 12:35:42 2007 From: stewart_fist at optusnet.com.au (Stewart Fist) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:35:42 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The net according to Cerf (at Davos) In-Reply-To: <200701300104.l0U14Cdr011229@anumail0.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: Rick wrote: > > I bet it took longer. The judge was alos eliminating laws > that duplicated existing legislation. That is the tough part. > There are alos a lot of antiquated laws dealing with tying up > horses, bails of hay in taxis, etc. that should be struck off > the books. But the point is that this would take much bigger government, with many more highly trained and expensive staff, to do anything of any significance. If you have the urgent desire for make-work for rich lawyers, then you decide to reform the legal code and simplify the legislation. Like software bug removal, each removal of a bug or Y2K problem results in new coding software mistakes -- which are then fixed by kludges, etc. etc. Every time you decide to simplify or condense a law, you introduce new problems in the interpretation. The list of out-date laws being quoted are generally removed the next time the parliament considers substantial changes, and looks at the bill as a whole. The presence of these anachronisms, just means that the law has ceased to have much importance, and can safely be ignored. I'm not arguing against this clean up. I'm just pointing out that in needs bigger government bureaucracies to accomplish the ends you desire. -- Stewart Fist, writer, journalist, film-maker 70 Middle Harbour Road, LINDFIELD, 2070, NSW, Australia Ph +61 (2) 9416 7458 From david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au Tue Jan 30 20:52:27 2007 From: david.boxall at hunterlink.net.au (David Boxall) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:52:27 +1100 Subject: [LINK] POSSIBLE SPAM (SCORE=36.79) - RuBee Offers an Alternative to RFID Message-ID: <45BF155B.5020402@hunterlink.net.au> More complications? "All RFID tags are backscattered transponders. RuBee is an active transceiver." An IEEE statement described RuBee as being "a bidirectional, on-demand, peer-to-peer, radiating, transceiver protocol operating at wavelengths below 450 Khz. This protocol works in harsh environments with networks of many thousands of tags and has an area range of 10 to 50 feet." -- David Boxall | Drink no longer water, | but use a little wine | for thy stomach's sake ... | King James Bible | 1 Timothy 5:23 From rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au Wed Jan 31 07:24:23 2007 From: rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au (Richard Chirgwin) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 07:24:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] POSSIBLE SPAM (SCORE=36.79) - RuBee Offers an Alternative to RFID In-Reply-To: <45BF155B.5020402@hunterlink.net.au> References: <45BF155B.5020402@hunterlink.net.au> Message-ID: <45BFA977.3050502@ozemail.com.au> David Boxall wrote: > More complications? Hard to tell in an article which garbles the technical detail to this degree: > A traditional 900MHz RFID approach "is 99.99 percent radio signal and > 0.01 magnetic/inductive. What [RuBee] is doing is 99.99 percent > magnetic. There is no radio signal in these tags at all," Stevens said. This appears directly before the quote David pasted ... So we have a "99.99% magnetic" device that has a range of 10 to 50 feet. And it's an "active transceiver" ... that is, an active 99.99% magnetic transceiver ... oh, and the protocol works with many thousands of tags, but later in the article, it's cited as having read rates of 10 to 20 tags per second. Or we have a journalist who was overtaken on the first lap and is still panting to catch up... I don't doubt that the protocol is being designed for a purpose, but who can tell if this is the standard of journalism? RC > > > > "All RFID tags are backscattered transponders. RuBee is an active > transceiver." > > An IEEE statement described RuBee as being "a bidirectional, > on-demand, peer-to-peer, radiating, transceiver protocol operating at > wavelengths below 450 Khz. This protocol works in harsh environments > with networks of many thousands of tags and has an area range of 10 to > 50 feet." > From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 31 08:42:23 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:42:23 +1100 Subject: [LINK] The cost of monoculture In-Reply-To: References: <45BE70F9.1070607@iimetro.com.au> <45BE8DE6.8060708@praxis.com.au> Message-ID: <45BFBBBF.1060302@ramin.com.au> grove at zeta.org.au wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Rick Welykochy wrote: > >> The same applies here as it does to a mono-culture in the biosphere: one >> virulent pests can wipe out the whole lot. Although in this case it would >> be one virulent pest wiping out another 8-) > I foresee a time when most IT graduates will know nothing of other OS > philosophies > and their roles will be eventually dumbed down to the same level of > mobile phone sales persons. Australia is fast becoming a "shop front" > economy and MS is helping keep us there, by stifling innovation and > providing products that are "just good enough" and locking the users > into a treadmill of mediocrity, when we could all really do so much more. ... weird, but 25 years ago as a new IT graduate I came out espousing the virtues of Unix and IBM was the "Evil" empire. But in the real world, the vendors all had their own versions of Unix and pushed proprietary operating systems and network protocols. Then the Internet, Apache, Linux came along. Some interesting figures here. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 31 09:30:26 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:30:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070130223026.GT26390@taz.net.au> On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:55:37AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > Glen Turner wrote: > >What will be much more trouble is the new Office -- new interface, > >new file formats, nasty links into Sharepoint. It's not at all clear > >what the best way to deploy that is. > > My gut says that the reaction will be: "We've already got Office and > she ain't broke so we ain't gonna fix it." I don't think Office 2007 > will get installed corporately until the same timetable for Vista. it seems to me that this is an opportunity for Open Office - if the new MS Office upgrade is anything like previous upgrades then there will be a lot of incompatibility and disruption. if you're going to have to go through that hassle then you may as well bite the bullet and switch to OO, then you know this will be the LAST time you'll ever have to do it (as opposed to MS Office, where you know you'll have to do it again next time MSO is upgraded). craig PS: IMO, most office computers would be better off with linux rather than windows. Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Email, Web browser - all locked down in a consistent environment that can't be fiddled with. and no dancing-sheep.exe, viruses or trojans. an appliance to do office work, not a toy to fiddle with and waste time. the only thing that Windows is still *needed* for is games - there are many more games for windows than for linux, and they're mostly much better than linux games. that's not really an important consideration for office computers, though, is it? -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 31 10:01:51 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:01:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <20070130223026.GT26390@taz.net.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> <20070130223026.GT26390@taz.net.au> Message-ID: <45BFCE5F.5000106@ramin.com.au> Craig Sanders wrote: > PS: IMO, most office computers would be better off with linux rather > than windows. Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Email, Web browser - all > locked down in a consistent environment that can't be fiddled with. and > no dancing-sheep.exe, viruses or trojans. an appliance to do office > work, not a toy to fiddle with and waste time. > > the only thing that Windows is still *needed* for is games - there are > many more games for windows than for linux, and they're mostly much > better than linux games. that's not really an important consideration > for office computers, though, is it? How is a linux desktop for accounting packages like MYOB? I am guessing my accountant needs a windows based package to lodge my tax return. M -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 31 10:48:13 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:48:13 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BFCE5F.5000106@ramin.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> <20070130223026.GT26390@taz.net.au> <45BFCE5F.5000106@ramin.com.au> Message-ID: <20070130234813.GU26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:01:51AM +1100, Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > How is a linux desktop for accounting packages like MYOB? I am > guessing my accountant needs a windows based package to lodge my tax > return. no idea. i have several guesses, though: 1. Crossover Office lets you run windows apps including MYOB on linux. WINE (which is free, unlike crossover) may also run MYOB. dunno. 2. gnucash is as good as MYOB in terms of features and lets you export data in various formats (whether it's good enough for your accountant, though, i dunno. it's not something i've ever had the need to use). 3. find an accountant that doesn't risk your financial and personal data on insecure MS Windows systems. in summary: emulation (run MYOB on linux) or substitution (MYOB *isn't* the only game in town). finally, there's: 4. dual boot. run linux for almost everything, and windows ONLY for those things that you have no choice for. and the obvious alternative to that is: 5. vmware/qemu/xen/etc - run linux and windows on the same computer at the same time. with linux as the host OS, your windows apps would run at only a slight speed penalty. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From brd at iimetro.com.au Wed Jan 31 11:43:34 2007 From: brd at iimetro.com.au (Bernard Robertson-Dunn) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:43:34 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Orwell award on card for Hockey Message-ID: <45BFE636.3050607@iimetro.com.au> Orwell award on card for Hockey Karen Dearne JANUARY 30, 2007 The Australian http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,21137590%5E15319%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html OUTGOING Human Services Minister Joe Hockey has won the People's Choice Orwell for the "access card - a national ID card in disguise", in the 2006 Big Brother Awards. Mr Hockey was chosen for "his refusal to release the privacy impact assessment" and for "his rejection of key recommendations of his own Consumer and Privacy Taskforce", said awards judge Dean Wilson, a Melbourne criminologist. "This was a well-deserved win for the relentless campaign of disinformation and doublespeak surrounding the access card project," Mr Wilson said. The Orwells are awarded by the world's privacy groups to "corporations, public officials and governments that have shown a blatant disregard for privacy". The local Big Brothers are hosted by the Australian Privacy Foundation. The Worst Public Official award went to federal Justice Minister Chris Ellison, "for the 'Abolition of Financial Privacy' legislation masquerading as the Anti-Money-Laundering and Counter-Terrorism Financing Bill". "People might think, who could possibly object to that?" the judges said. "But this legislation turns thousands of bank tellers and other employees into amateur spies, with a legal obligation to report anyone who may be 'acting suspiciously'." The Orwell for Greatest Corporate Invader was shared by all Australian banks, for continuing to send personal information to the global transaction hub, Swift, even after it was confirmed that the information was being provided to US security agencies. Most Invasive Technology went to the NSW Health Department, for overturning the opt-in requirement in the state's health privacy law to allow the start of its electronic patient record system, Healthelink. The Best Privacy Guardian award, or Smith, went to barrister Lex Lasry and other defence lawyers who refused to submit to stringent ASIO security clearances when representing suspects accused of terrorism. The Australian Communications and Media Authority won an honourable mention for having successfully prosecuted the company, Clarity 1, under the Spam Act, resulting in fines of $5.5 million. -- Regards brd Bernard Robertson-Dunn Sydney Australia brd at iimetro.com.au From cas at taz.net.au Wed Jan 31 12:55:51 2007 From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:55:51 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BFE90C.8020409@lannet.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> <20070130223026.GT26390@taz.net.au> <45BFCE5F.5000106@ramin.com.au> <20070130234813.GU26390@taz.net.au> <45BFE90C.8020409@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <20070131015551.GV26390@taz.net.au> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:55:40AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote: > >4. dual boot. run linux for almost everything, and windows ONLY for > >those things that you have no choice for. > > > >and the obvious alternative to that is: > > > >5. vmware/qemu/xen/etc - run linux and windows on the same computer > >at the same time. with linux as the host OS, your windows apps would > >run at only a slight speed penalty. > > ...and with the same security penalty... true. but if you need to run MYOB (or whatever) and have no viable alternative, then it's better to do it like 4 or 5 above than to run windows for everything. minimise the exposure/risk . of course, if you can find an alternative that your accountant can cope with (perhaps gnucash or SQL Ledger) then you're better off running that. i suspect that there are very few applications which can't be replaced with already existing FOSS substitutes/equivalents. craig -- craig sanders (part time cyborg) From marghanita at ramin.com.au Wed Jan 31 12:55:39 2007 From: marghanita at ramin.com.au (Marghanita da Cruz) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:55:39 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet In-Reply-To: <45BFE83D.1070308@lannet.com.au> References: <45BD2CDB.1020202@praxis.com.au> <45BD32EB.3030103@aarnet.edu.au> <45BD37F9.7040907@lannet.com.au> <20070130223026.GT26390@taz.net.au> <45BFCE5F.5000106@ramin.com.au> <45BFE83D.1070308@lannet.com.au> Message-ID: <45BFF71B.1060409@ramin.com.au> Howard Lowndes wrote: > > > Marghanita da Cruz wrote: > >> Craig Sanders wrote: >> >> >>> PS: IMO, most office computers would be better off with linux rather >>> than windows. Word Processor, Spreadsheet, Email, Web browser - all >>> locked down in a consistent environment that can't be fiddled with. and >>> no dancing-sheep.exe, viruses or trojans. an appliance to do office >>> work, not a toy to fiddle with and waste time. >>> >>> the only thing that Windows is still *needed* for is games - there are >>> many more games for windows than for linux, and they're mostly much >>> better than linux games. that's not really an important consideration >>> for office computers, though, is it? >> >> >> >> How is a linux desktop for accounting packages like MYOB? I am >> guessing my accountant needs a windows based package to lodge my tax >> return. > > > It doesn't, but I run SQL-Ledger which is a web based accounting system > written in Canada and ported to suit accounting standards in many > countries including Australia, so it does GST as well as the old style > Sales Tax. > > Being web based you can provide secure access to it for your accountant > that only needs a web browser so it is platform agnostic. This looks interesting, is it a multi-client system? Have you looked at offering it as a hosted service? There are accountants out there who employ book keepers to enter the clients info... Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/ Telephone: 0414-869202 Ramin Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 027-089-713-084 From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 31 13:41:01 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:41:01 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Truthiness, Google and The State of NSW! Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070131133710.0311e990@mail.ah.net> I thought, now that a Criminal proceeding has been completed and judgement is awaited, I'd share with Link some extracts from my closing submission. Given the submission is 22 pages long and took 45 minutes to present, I'll just extract the specific points of interest. Hope you enjoy them :) If you want to read the whole submission let me know :) There are some great quotes in it! The entire proceeding and documents will be put online eventually, probably at the time Austlii publishes the judgement. As some telephone calls were also part of the proceeding, and are now a matter of public information they too will be published - probably to the embarrassment of the other parties and the State. First the GOOGLE reference :) The prosecution has failed to corroborate any evidence that there are employees or waged ever paid by the company through the myriad of records that would be available, including searching for and interviewing alleged employees. Given the profile of the Defendants, that being film makers, and given that the Policy and Injuries were related to the conduct of film making, surely a simple "google" search on the Internet could have lead the Prosecution to hundreds of people who have worked with the defendants and who might have independent inside knowledge. Now the one where Truthiness was used. Mr Jefferies from GIO gave great detailed evidence. Although none really applied to the question of the Defendants complying with the orders of Mr Hickey, one thing was apparent. In Mr Jefferies role, a great deal of protocol was apparent within GIO. The hand off of the files from his claims processing role to the GIO Investigation role was clear, and not confused. Unlike the truthiness which Mr Hickey attempted to imply, that being there was no communications within the GIO Departments. There may well be no communications, however Mr Jefferies made it clear that there was no need as the file had changed hands and his role had ceased. Mr Hickey also started his involvement in March 2004. At this time he attended GIO's office. Twice in fact. But he didn't involve himself with the claims department, as it was no long involved. So Mr Hickeys evidence that GIO has two non communicate departments is a truthiness, not an actual fact. Me Hickey went on to say that over 6 months he did nothing more than send two sets of notices, by registered mail, which were both returned to him, unopened, he has no proof and was not able to give any evidence that was corroborated, that the mail was no unopened. He merely created yet another truthiness that the letter was opened and a document was removed. Mr Hickey is the only person to put on such evidence yet Mr Hickey was not the person who handled the mail after he sealed the envelope by his own admissions in his own office. There was no evidence tendered to show a confirmation that he even included the cover. It is merely his own statement, which appears doubtful after hearing the rest of his evidence. Next, Mr Hickey attempted to say that for nearly 6 months he did nothing more than send two registered letters and a personal service of the notices. This may be the only truth and fact that Mr Hickey gave in evidence. It is hard to believe, even for one moment, that the Erst & Young/GIO team were not acting for and under the instructions of WorkCover itself. The only evidence that is corroborated between the Crown witnesses and the Defendants is that of the telephone calls between Erst & Young wherein Ms Meyer and Ms Hugh clearly give the impression they are in regular contact with WorkCover, and working under contract or instructions of WorkCover. Just because Mr Hickey isn't, by his own admission actively communicating with these persons doesn't mean that in March 2004 he or a delegate of his, did not give them the instructions to carry out there actions as they did from June 2004. Remembering Mr Hickey did not gain a copy of the file until AFTER Erst & Young had commenced an investigation at the, what appears to be an electronic trigger, by the authority of WorkCover. None of the witnesses denied communicating with WorkCover during the period of March to November 2004. In fact Mr Meyer specifically said on a number of occasions that she and her supervisor had regular contact with WorkCover. It appears if Mr Hickey is to be believed, that he had no idea what was happening between the "other department" within workcover and that of the Erst&Young/GIO team, then we must also draw the conclusion that the Authority upon which so much safety and legislative protocol is impressed upon the community by, is inefficient, cumbersome, duplicitous, lazy, legislatively oppressive, and acting far outside the intents of the legislation, in Mr Hickeys case, for his own self gratification of prosecuting innocent people in a court room. Mr Hickey has complied a lot of documents and statements, mostly irrelevant to the one question of importance, did the Defendants comply to the Order to produce wage and employee records and the order to produce tax returns from 1999 to 2004. Mr Hickey has used the convenience of the material provided by Erst&Young/GIO to create an inference and cover up his failings and his laziness, and to create in his mind a truthiness that is undeniably not factual. We submit that Mr Hickey is the only witness who's oral evidence did no corroborate with any other persons evidence and in fact he attempted to accuse Erst & Young and the Departmentalisation of GIO as an ezcuse as to why he was no "on top of the investigation", an investigation he started in March 2004. We submit that the evidence of Mr Hickey should be rejected outright as there is no basis in Law for Truthiness to be considered as fact. From drose at nla.gov.au Wed Jan 31 16:11:30 2007 From: drose at nla.gov.au (Daniel Rose) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:11:30 +1100 Subject: FW: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet Message-ID: <3F8819281E85774CA6CE6F4FB842874F0456FB6D@gimli.shire.nla.gov.au> > -----Original Message----- > From: link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au > [mailto:link-bounces at anumail0.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of > Marghanita da Cruz > Posted At: Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:02 AM > Posted To: Link List > Conversation: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet > Subject: Re: [LINK] Vista: Why you shouldn't upgrade yet > > > How is a linux desktop for accounting packages like MYOB? I > am guessing my accountant needs a windows based package to > lodge my tax return. I'll let you know after May: http://fossact.org.au/node/45 May: Business Accounting using Open Source Software. Neill Cox to present SQL Ledgers, GNU Cash and others. It might be interesting! From link at todd.inoz.com Wed Jan 31 21:53:52 2007 From: link at todd.inoz.com (Adam Todd) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:53:52 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Solution to SPAM checking Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070131214955.0326d068@mail.ah.net> I don't know why I haven't thought of this before, years before. Maybe it was spurred by the recent two days of trials where the prosecutor was trying to say that on one hand there was something and someone was getting something, and on the other and the someone wasn't getting anything. Anyway, it occurred to me that when an email is sent, .the SMTP server connects with the remote server and says "Hello I am me, and I have a message for you from XYZ" What doesn't happen though is the receiving server doesn't say "Just a sec, I want to see if you are really who you say you are and you really do represent what you claim to represent." If the RX SMTP server were to check the path of incoming mail or even connect to the "reply address" to ensure that it was legitimate and valid and was in fact related to the DNS records for the originating domain, then SPAM would vanish over night. You couldn't use a fraud sender address, as the check would show that the SMTP server talking and the SMTP server authoritive for the proper sender was different. Even in a relay situation, MX records should generally resolve that. Anyway, just a thought. It's a "way too big" to solve problem and no one really cares enough to stop SPAM being sent, people just want to filter it when it's delivered. From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Tue Jan 30 13:00:07 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:00:07 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Open access publishing not a threat to research grants In-Reply-To: <45BD385C.4060600@aarnet.edu.au> References: <20070128223817.0409E112CA@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> <45BD385C.4060600@aarnet.edu.au> Message-ID: <20070201070945.CEC5418735@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> At 10:57 AM 1/29/2007, Glen Turner wrote: >Tom Worthington wrote: > > > Perhaps some indicator is needed to show those articles for which > > authors have paid to have published. ... > >IEEE and ACM publications usually ask for money. ... I hadn't realized they charged. ACM charge US$60.00 per page and they say paying is not a condition of publication . So the average paper of eight pages would cost $US480. One IEEE conference has an "additional papers payment" of $200 for the first four pages and $100 per page for more. >What you are seeing here is a bunfight between the ARC and the >universities about if open access publishing is part of the >'infrastructure' (and thus not funded by ARC grants) or not. ... It would seem very clear to me that publishing the research should count as part of the cost of doing the research. >I suspect it will be a cold day in hell before the libraries, which >have had their budgets slashed for >twenty years now and can barely afford to replace wobbly chairs, >willingly give up any funding. If the Librarians would stop being the poor handmaidens to publishers, they could make some serious money. There is no reason why the university libraries can't provide publication services to the university and collect the revenue from this. It seems bizarre that universities will allow their authors to write stuff, pay publishers to publish it and then pay the publishers to be able to read it. If the universities are going to go to the trouble to set up a pre/post print electronic archive, they might as well slap an ISBN and some workflow software on it and produce their own journals (much as ACS has done with the ACS Digital Library ). It is easier to create the e-paper from scratch in your own journal system than try and enter a pre/post print from a commercial publisher. For the "scholars workbench" system the ANU is building I have suggested skipping the step of converting word processing documents from authors and instead have the authors type their papers directly into the publishing system via the web. The metadata and the content will then be neatly filed in the system by the author (if they don;t do it they will not get their paper published). Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au Tue Jan 30 09:54:26 2007 From: Tom.Worthington at tomw.net.au (Tom Worthington) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:54:26 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Petition on Open Access to European Research Message-ID: <20070201070957.C2E1D18736@heartbeat2.messagingengine.com> I signed this petition on behalf of the ACS: --- Petition for guaranteed public access to publicly-funded research results http://www.ec-petition.eu/index.php?p=index This petition is directed to the European Commission. Its goal is to endorse the recommendations made in the Study on the Economic and Technical Evolution of the Scientific Publication Markets of Europe in full, in particular to adopt the first recommendation A1 http://www.ec-petition.eu/index.php?p=index as a matter of urgency. "I urge decision-makers at all levels in Europe to endorse the recommendations made in the Study on the Economic and Technical Evolution of the Scientific Publication Markets of Europe in full, in particular to adopt the first recommendation A1 as a matter of urgency. Name: Tom Worthington FACS HLM Position: Chair of the Scholarly Publishing Committee Country: Australia Organisation/affiliation: Australian Computer Society --- "Recommendation A1. Guarantee Public Access To Publicly-funded Research Results Shortly After Publication Research funding agencies have a central role in determining researchers' publishing practices. Following the lead of the NIH and other institutions, they should promote and support the archiving of publications in open repositories, after a (possibly domain-specific) time period to be discussed with publishers. This archiving could become a condition for funding. The following actions could be taken at the European level: (i) Establish a European policy mandating published articles arising from EC-funded research to be available after a given time period in open access archives, and (ii) Explore with Member States and with European research and academic associations whether and how such policies and open repositories could be implemented." From: Study on the Economic and Technical Evolution of the Scientific Publication Markets of Europe, European Commission, Directorate-General for Research, January 2006, Tom Worthington FACS HLM tom.worthington at tomw.net.au Ph: 0419 496150 Director, Tomw Communications Pty Ltd ABN: 17 088 714 309 PO Box 13, Belconnen ACT 2617 http://www.tomw.net.au/ Visiting Fellow, ANU Blog: http://www.tomw.net.au/blog/atom.xml From rick at praxis.com.au Mon Jan 29 00:09:02 2007 From: rick at praxis.com.au (Rick Welykochy) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:09:02 +1100 Subject: [LINK] Stolen Laptop [was Re: Consumer computer security] In-Reply-To: <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B55C2A.6000704@ramin.com.au> <20070123122437.92f4b26e.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B56C28.5090300@ramin.com.au> <20070123134318.f711a9af.alan@austlii.edu.au> <45B57C17.6030200@ramin.com.au> <20070123044521.GQ26390@taz.net.au> <45B59855.7030009@ramin.com.au> <45B9B712.8060502@praxis.com.au> <7cb8694d0701280208w14b8c673i7d115803daa25956@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BCA06E.1070204@praxis.com.au> Johann Kruse wrote: > You could upgrade to Windows Vista and use Bitlocker - > http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/hwsecurity/BitLockerFAQ.mspx Some quotes from that writeup: "Recent government regulations have emerged that focus on data protection and the requirement for privacy. This legislation has a strong impact on organizational storage policies, especially for PC devices that have a relatively short lifespan and are often either portable or easily lost or stolen." So, unless all Windows systems are replaced by Vista and employ the new Bitlocker tecchnology, they will be in violation of this "strong impact legislation"? Gwon, pull the other one. Windows systems will continue to offer vague or no data and privacy protection as it always has done, with out any worries as to what might be legislated. "Q. Will BitLocker add any performance impact to a Windows Vista machine? A. It is too early to determine performance impact on the Windows Vista operating system; however, BitLocker is expected to have a negligible affect on day-to-day PC performance." Heh? AES encryption and decryption cost CPU cycles. Copying data from one AES encrypted file to another will be measureably slower than the equivalent non-enrypted copy. Microsoft would know this already. We Mac and Linux users know this. Even if the AES functions are performed on the chip, DMA to/from the chip will take extra time. Why the spin? "Unauthorized changing of the BIOS, master boot record (MBR), boot sector, boot manager, or other early boot components would cause a failure in the integrity checks and keep the TPM-protected key from being released." You can kiss multi-boot systems goodbye. You can probably kiss running Windows on an Intel Mac goodbye as well if you want to use this data protection scheme .. well, would the Mac have the required chip? Doubt it. Howard Lowndes wrote: >> "BitLocker leverages the 1.2 specification TPM chip" > Has anyone seen one of these on a mobo yet? > Or are they doing the right thing by avoiding them. My guess is that MS will provide a software-based encryption scheme for disks on Vista as well as that supported by the chip. cheers rickw -- _________________________________ Rick Welykochy || Praxis Services If you think good architecture is expensive, try bad architecture. -- Brian Foote and Joseph Yoder