HTML 5 - was Re: [LINK] Australia abstains on Office Open XML vote

Marghanita da Cruz marghanita at ramin.com.au
Wed Sep 12 13:36:57 EST 2007


Following on from the earlier thread. The proposed HTML5 standard has caught my
interest, because it looks likely to include OGG Theora/Vorbis video/audio.

The connection to the OOXML thread is that Open Office and MSWord can be
used to generate HTML pages. I am not sure how well OO Style Sheets to CSS works.

The idea of CSS is to make Web pages device independent so, they could
theoretically provide the presentational functionality Glen attributes to ODF
and PDF below. There is still an issue of spreadsheets.

Before commenting on HTML5, to come upto speed on the w3c published standards, I
have re-crafted some webpages to be XHTML 1.0 Transitional, XHTML 1.0 Strict,
HTML 4.01 Strict and CSS compliant.

My understanding is that HTML 4.01 separated  presentation from content and
XHTML goes further by providing an ability to structuring the content using
XML/DTDs). Other than the referenced DTD, on my simple webpages there wasn't any
difference between Strict and Transitional XHTML.

The crafting is by choice, as since 1997, I have been crafting pages in HTML
3.2. It is worth noting, that getting 3.2 code to pass W3C compliance tests is a
bit more difficult - mainly because the browsers of the time(IE and Netscape)
set the standard. Ofcourse not all of today's browsers comply.

But the ultimate test is whether people can read your website, robots can index
it, rss readers can interpret it etc. So, I was hoping to enlist the help of
Linkers to test the following pages/sections - on their platform of choice. They
look ok to me using Knoppix 5.2/IceWeazel 2.0.0.1/IceDove (version 1.5.0.9
(20061220))

I would appreciate feedback either to the list or offlist (I will collate
any feedback I do get and post anonymised data back to Link):

XHTML 1.0 Transitional (using w3c dtd)
<http://www.ramin.com.au/travel-guide/>
Error Messages/Does Layout work or not?:
Browser version:
Operating System:
Device (PC/ScreenReader...):

XHTML 1.0 Strict (using w3c dtd)
http://www.ramin.com.au/travel-guide/test.shtml
Error Messages/Does Layout work or not?:
Browser version:
Operating System:
Device (PC/ScreenReader...):

HTML 4.01
<http://www.ramin.com.au/eco-sydney/>
Error Messages/Does Layout work or not?:
Browser version:
Operating System:
Device (PC/ScreenReader...):

My working draft of comments on HTML5/Video including samples of
Ogg/Theora/Vorbis is at
<http://www.ramin.com.au/linux/web-video-formats.shtml>.

I would also be interested in who can or can't view/listen to Ogg Theoa/Vorbis.
CBC Radio are streaming Ogg Vorbis listen in via
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/advocate/2007-09/msg00002.html>

Marghanita

Glen Turner wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 08:26 +1000, Marghanita da Cruz wrote:
<snip>
>> It would be of practical use to understand/articulate the 
>> relationship/role/application of
>> OOXML,
>> HTML versions3-5,
>> PDF...
>> to ODF
> 
> PDF is a pre-press representation of pages.
> HTML is a mark-up language for hypermedia text, tuned to screen display
> OOXML and ODF are formats for "office documents" -- word processing,
> spreadsheets, presentations, formulas, etc.
> 
> If you think about a footnote you'll see how they differ.
>  PDF is concerned about the position and font.
>  HTML is concerned about the text and linking to the footnote.
>  ODF and OOXML are concerned about the semantics of the footnote
>  (is it auto-numbered, what style sheet, etc)
> 
-- 
Marghanita da Cruz
http://www.ramin.com.au
Phone: (+61)0414 869202







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