[LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on their side it seems

Mon Dec 1 13:54:09 AEDT 2008

Frank,

Is your first language English? If not, then I understand why your postings often make sense and then I'll give you some latitude and spend more time trying to understand what you are saying. Otherwise I don't even know what your point is so you might want to explain in something that is legible.

Craig,

Nice to know you've stopped filtering my messages to trash. And nice to know that we all have to bow to the god of Craig Sanders as whatever he says is law. And single issue nutter eh? This is a bit rich coming from you.

Now, I have fluff to pick out of my belly button. Much more interesting than the likes of you two.

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From: Frank O'Connor <foconnor at ozemail.com.au>
To: David Goldstein <wavey_one at yahoo.com>
Cc: link at anu.edu.au
Sent: Sunday, 30 November, 2008 12:55:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on their side it  seems

Re: [LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on
their 
Let me get this straight, Dave ...

In what passes for your mind, you didn't pass any opinion on
iiNet despite saying (and I quote) 'Of the 3 or
4 worst ISPs I've used in Australia, they are by far the
worst.', and despite saying just below,'But I still say iiNet was the worse ISP of the few I have used.
Waiting for half an hour for customer service at a bare minimum is
pathetic.'

It's good that we've cleared that up.

And of course you've once again failed to void addressing the
issues ...

                                        Regards,

At 5:21 AM -0800 on 29/11/08 you wrote:
Here we go again... Frank misrepresenting
what I said. I said I'm not entering the discussion of whether the
head of Exetel was correct in what he said. Others made comment on
that.

And I didn't say he was right. I said he has a valid point of
view.

But I still say iiNet was the worse ISP
of the few I have used. Waiting for half an hour for customer service
at a bare minimum is pathetic.

So Frank, you can keep making your ill-informed and idiotic comments
about me. Since you have no idea of who I am, keep making up the
stories.

As for the way Yahoo handles emailing, you can live with it. Everyone
else can.

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From: Frank O'Connor
<foconnor at ozemail.com.au>
To: David Goldstein <wavey_one at yahoo.com>
Cc: link at anu.edu.au
Sent: Thursday, 27 November, 2008 3:46:38 PM
Subject: Re: [LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on
their side it seems

Re: [LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on their
Yo Dave,

At 5:43 PM -0800 on 26/11/08 you
wrote:

Oh Frank, you are funny! See, my comment
was why was why shouldn't the head of Exetel have his own opinion.
Another poster said part of what he said was fact, the other opinion.
I'm not entering that discussion.

Ahhh ... good that you didn't enter into
it. I suppose it was those nasty fairies who typed:

>Since when was iiNet off-limits to
criticism.Of the 3 or 4 worst >ISPs I've
used in Australia, they are by far the worst. And why >isn't the
point made by Linton valid, at least to some extent?

.... but maybe it was someone or
something else who wrote that.

And Linton's 'point' as you put it was
that iiNet should have meekly caved to the demands of those third
parties when they were made - like Exetel did. Great precedent there
Dave.

So if any pressure group says an ISP
should do something, then it should be done ... filter the Net, filter
their customers, throttle it back, lock out various content, censor
religious views etc. All cool with you?

Yeah ... you would see Linton's view as
valid. (Hey, you were the one who said so.)

And maybe you should read Frank. Jan
originally asked "What is Exetel doing bad-mouthing iiNet? Sour
grapes perhaps?" So is iiNet off-limits to you?

She asked that as an off-side .... that
was why it was in brackets. Rhetorical question, I'd say.

Nope iiNet's not off limits ... but in
the context of this discussion (which I pointed out invited comment on
the film studios efforts to get third parties and taxpayers to plug
the various hole sin their business models) comment on iiNet or any
other ISP wasn't required.

And oh Frank, if only you knew anything.
Playing the man and not the ball. Now, maybe you should stick to the
discussion and not show the inadequacies in your arguments by
attacking me personally.

Dave, the issues were and and
are:
a. To what extent ISP's can be regarded
as publishers
b. To what extent ISP's (legally) 
can and should police their clientele
c. To what extent third parties like
ISP's should be responsible to plugging holes in the business models
of other industries
d. To what extent those industries should
conduct their own policing and enforcement if they're not willing to
change their business models.
... and a number of other issues that
proceed from them ...

I'm not exactly sure what " currying
up to the rich and powerful" has to do with questioning the right
of the head of Exetel to voice his opinion. Enlighten me.

Just a tendency to back to rich and
powerful Dave .... fairly uncritical of Microsoft, movie studios and
big media interests. Lauding bad product and standards. It's a trend
I'm looking at Dave.

Never seen anything from you on behalf of
the little guy. The putz who pays for copyright or digital product and
then is denied fair use. The putz who has to front up with more moolah
every time the same copyright material is released on new
media.

                                                Regards,

BTW. Dicky mailer you got there Dave ....
Love the way it handles the end of line formatting. Yahoo ... gotta
love them. Can you turn off those grotty end-of-line
codes?

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