[LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on their side it seems

[David Goldstein]

Oh Frank, you are funny! See, my comment was why was why shouldn't the head of Exetel have his own opinion. Another poster said part of what he said was fact, the other opinion. I'm not entering that discussion.

And maybe you should read Frank. Jan originally asked "What is Exetel doing bad-mouthing iiNet? Sour grapes perhaps?" So is iiNet off-limits to you?

And oh Frank, if only you knew anything. Playing the man and not the ball. Now, maybe you should stick to the discussion and not show the inadequacies in your arguments by attacking me personally.

I'm not exactly sure what " currying up to the rich and powerful" has to do with questioning the right of the head of Exetel to voice his opinion. Enlighten me.

David



----- Original Message ----
From: Frank O'Connor <foconnor at ozemail.com.au>
To: David Goldstein <wavey_one at yahoo.com>
Cc: Jan Whitaker <jwhit at janwhitaker.com>; link at anu.edu.au
Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008 8:36:49 PM
Subject: Re: [LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on their side it  seems

You just do it to be 'topical', don't you Dave?

This is all a part of the '15 minutes of fame' thing that clouds your 
weary mind.

Jan's original post was about film studios and the Seven Network 
trying to use ISP's and other third parties to plug holes in their 
business model (por nada naturally ... I mean God forbid that these 
poor souls and artists should have to outlay moolah and engage in 
effort on their own behalf - somebody else should do that out of the 
goodness of their heart) ... and invited comment on those lines.

You on the other hand chose to view it as an opportunity to attack 
the ISP ... iiNet.

It's a fascination with the powers-that-be, isn't it Dave? A currying 
up to the rich and powerful. A basic flaw in your character. You 
imagine that they'll be grateful and appreciative.

Grow up.

                    Regards,

At 12:47 AM -0800 25/11/08, David Goldstein wrote:
>Since when was iiNet off-limits to criticism. Of the 3 or 4 worst 
>ISPs I've used in Australia, they are by far the worst. And why 
>isn't the point made by Linton valid, at least to some extent?
>
>David
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jan Whitaker <jwhit at janwhitaker.com>
>To: link at anu.edu.au
>Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 8:09:10 PM
>Subject: [LINK] More about iiNet suit - legal opinion on their side it seems
>
>[What is Exetel doing bad-mouthing iiNet? Sour grapes perhaps?]
>
>http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/biztech/pirate-downloads-instant-cutoff-alert/2008/11/24/1227491443731.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
>Film studios to become 'police, judge, executioner'
>Asher Moses
>November 24, 2008 - 3:36PM
>
>Internet users would have their connections terminated summarily on
>the whim of the film and TV industry should it win its landmark legal
>battle against iiNet, legal experts have warned.
>
>Seven of the world's biggest film studios and the Seven Network last
>week filed suit against iiNet, Australia's third largest ISP, in the
>Federal Court.
>
>They claim iiNet authorised copyright infringement by failing to
>prevent its users from downloading pirated movies and TV shows.
>
>iiNet, and the industry body, the Internet Industry Association, say
>ISPs should not be required to take action against any customers
>until they have been found guilty of an offence by the courts.
>
>ISPs argue that, like Australia Post with letters, they are just
>providing a service and should not be forced to become copyright police.
>
>[snip] [Exetel quote is near the end]
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