[LINK] 'Net filters "required" for all Australians, no opt-out

Sun Oct 19 02:19:20 AEDT 2008

This search narrows the google result set down to 7 results, with one
blocked result:

           site:org "Australian Politics" "illegal" "rudd" "October"
"2008" "terrorist" "July" "Gillard"

If there was a search engine out there that had crawled the site and
didn't respect the take down notice [ yahoo doesn't reveal it ], it
would appear one would have a very good chance of locating the
offensive item using information gleaned from the blocking mechanism
itself.  This would tend to suggest that there will eventually be
pressure on Google to stop publishing the fact that it is blocking
search results precisely because this information can be used to help
narrow a search,

jon seymour.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Kim Holburn <kim.holburn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Run the same search in yahoo and you don't get that message.  You get
> a lot more results.  Perhaps we need to rely on google a bit less?
>
> On 2008/Oct/18, at 3:41 PM, Jon Seymour wrote:
>
>> Intrigued, I discovered that this search:
>>
>>     "kevin rudd" site:org
>>
>> will generate a suppression message from Google.
>>
>> jon.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Sylvano <sylvano at gnomon.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>> On Saturday 18 October 2008 08:40, Richard Chirgwin wrote:
>>>> The whole story, as it's emerging in the media, is starting to
>>>> look (to
>>>> me) like an echo-chamber ... there's more quoting of other media
>>>> than of
>>>> primary sources.
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> So I figured I do some searching on Google to see
>>> what else exists.  I ended up on a path of learning
>>> different to what I had intended, but fascinating
>>> all the same.
>>>
>>> I started with the following keywords:
>>>
>>> kevin rudd internet filtering alp.org.au
>>>
>>> So I start scanning my first page of results and
>>> noticed the following notification at the end of
>>> the results list:
>>>
>>> "In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we
>>> have removed 3 result(s) from this page. If you wish,
>>> you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org."
>>>
>>> With Google providing the following link:
>>>
>>> Child Pornography Complaint in Google Search
>>> http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=1161
>>>
>>> At this site you will find a letter, with specific personal
>>> details removed, stating:
>>>
>>> "Google has received notice of a list of web sites
>>> from the Internet Watch Foundation (web site URL)
>>> that contain child pornography. Google has removed
>>> the related web sites from its search results."
>>>
>>> What's the current assessment of the Internet Watch
>>> Foundation ( http://www.iwf.org.uk/ )?
>>>
>>> Would it make more sense for our government to leverage
>>> this kind of approach, or even hook in with that effort
>>> which seems to be more focussed on the "dob in illegal
>>> activity" that can be acted upon by IT companies and
>>> law enforcement agencies, than the more pie in the sky
>>> "clean feed content" goal?  Or am I just naive?
>>>
>>> The IWF site has a link to the things they *don't* cover,
>>> which tells you where to go and also seems a reasonable
>>> listing of the various online issues that exist for
>>> policy makers.
>>>
>>> http://www.iwf.org.uk/public/page.20.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> For reference, here are *some* previous postings
>>> to Link that mention IWF, which all seem to
>>> be earlier than 2002 from my minor efforts:
>>>
>>> Re: [LINK] changes at the top of IWF
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0202/0382.html
>>> From: Irene Graham (renelk at libertus.net)
>>> Date: Wed Feb 20 2002 - 00:10:56 EST
>>>
>>> [LINK] Internet industry leaders gather for launch of ICRAfilter
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0203/0338.html
>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>> Date: Fri Mar 22 2002 - 07:56:47 EST
>>>
>>> [LINK] privacy, labelling, filtering...
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0101/0583.html
>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>> Date: Mon Jan 29 2001 - 16:40:06 EST
>>>
>>> [LINK] ICRA news releases
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0004/0199.html
>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>> Date: Mon Apr 10 2000 - 18:17:11 EST
>>>
>>> [LINK] News Brief for IWF
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0002/0610.html
>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>> Date: Fri Feb 25 2000 - 02:34:37 EST
>>>
>>> [LINK] Wired: British ISPs Crack Down on Hate
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0001/0746.html
>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>> Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:25:23 +1000
>>>
>>> Re: [LINK] UK internet users don't want ratings or censorship
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0001/0634.html
>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>> Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:41:49 +1000
>>>
>>> IWF A Founding Member Of New Rating Body - ICRA
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link9905/0295.html
>>> David Goldstein (davidg at iwf.org.uk)
>>> Wed, 12 May 1999 11:57:10 +0100
>>>
>>> ABA, RSAC, Childnet+++ plan Global Internet Labelling
>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link9710/0270.html
>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>> Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:01:55 +1000
>>>
>>> Re: RSAC response to Irene Graham
>>> http://www.anu.edu/mail-archives/link/link9702/0259.html
>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>> Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:24:54 +1000
>>>
>>> Sylvano
>>>
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