[LINK] 'Net filters "required" for all Australians, no opt-out

Jon Seymour jon.seymour at gmail.com
Sun Oct 19 03:05:33 EST 2008


|  corrected grammar

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jon Seymour <jon.seymour at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is somewhat intriguing - here is a search phrase that yields one
> hit and one block:
>
>        site:org "He yelled back that Kevin Rudd is a bureaucratic,
> good-for-nothing"
>
> This phrase is from text containing this joke:
>
>    A platoon of Aussie soldiers were patrolling north of Fallujah
> when they came upon an Iraqi terrorist, badly injured and unconscious.
>   On the opposite side of the road was an Australian soldier in a
> similar but less serious state.
>   The soldier was conscious and alert and as first aid was given to
> both men, the Platoon Leader asked the injured Australian what had
> happened.
>   The soldier reported, 'I was heavily armed and moving north along
> the highway here, and coming south was a heavily armed insurgent.'
>   We saw each other and both took cover in the ditches along the
> road. I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable,
>   lowlife scum bag who got what he    deserved. He yelled back that
> Kevin Rudd is a bureaucratic, good-for-nothing, right wing labor
> dickhead
>   who knows bugger all about running the country.'
>
>   'So I said that Osama Bin Ladin dresses like a frigid,
> mean-spirited lesbian and acts like one too!'
>   He retaliated by yelling, 'Oh yeah? Well, so does Julia Gillard!'
>   'And so there we were, in the middle of the road, laughing and
> chatting away when a truck hit us.'
>
> My conclusion is that the blocked site includes, amongst other things,
> the above joke. Again, this doesn't imply that it doesn't also contain
> child porn, but it is quite an amusing result, none the less.
>
> Regards,
>
> jon seymour.
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Jon Seymour <jon.seymour at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This search narrows the google result set down to 7 results, with one
>> blocked result:
>>
>>           site:org "Australian Politics" "illegal" "rudd" "October"
>> "2008" "terrorist" "July" "Gillard"
>>
>> If there was a search engine out there that had crawled the site and
>> didn't respect the take down notice [ yahoo doesn't reveal it ], it
>> would appear one would have a very good chance of locating the
>> offensive item using information gleaned from the blocking mechanism
>> itself.  This would tend to suggest that there will eventually be
>> pressure on Google to stop publishing the fact that it is blocking
>> search results precisely because this information can be used to help
>> narrow a search,
>>
>> jon seymour.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Kim Holburn <kim.holburn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Run the same search in yahoo and you don't get that message.  You get
>>> a lot more results.  Perhaps we need to rely on google a bit less?
>>>
>>> On 2008/Oct/18, at 3:41 PM, Jon Seymour wrote:
>>>
>>>> Intrigued, I discovered that this search:
>>>>
>>>>     "kevin rudd" site:org
>>>>
>>>> will generate a suppression message from Google.
>>>>
>>>> jon.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Sylvano <sylvano at gnomon.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday 18 October 2008 08:40, Richard Chirgwin wrote:
>>>>>> The whole story, as it's emerging in the media, is starting to
>>>>>> look (to
>>>>>> me) like an echo-chamber ... there's more quoting of other media
>>>>>> than of
>>>>>> primary sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I figured I do some searching on Google to see
>>>>> what else exists.  I ended up on a path of learning
>>>>> different to what I had intended, but fascinating
>>>>> all the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> I started with the following keywords:
>>>>>
>>>>> kevin rudd internet filtering alp.org.au
>>>>>
>>>>> So I start scanning my first page of results and
>>>>> noticed the following notification at the end of
>>>>> the results list:
>>>>>
>>>>> "In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we
>>>>> have removed 3 result(s) from this page. If you wish,
>>>>> you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org."
>>>>>
>>>>> With Google providing the following link:
>>>>>
>>>>> Child Pornography Complaint in Google Search
>>>>> http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=1161
>>>>>
>>>>> At this site you will find a letter, with specific personal
>>>>> details removed, stating:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Google has received notice of a list of web sites
>>>>> from the Internet Watch Foundation (web site URL)
>>>>> that contain child pornography. Google has removed
>>>>> the related web sites from its search results."
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the current assessment of the Internet Watch
>>>>> Foundation ( http://www.iwf.org.uk/ )?
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it make more sense for our government to leverage
>>>>> this kind of approach, or even hook in with that effort
>>>>> which seems to be more focussed on the "dob in illegal
>>>>> activity" that can be acted upon by IT companies and
>>>>> law enforcement agencies, than the more pie in the sky
>>>>> "clean feed content" goal?  Or am I just naive?
>>>>>
>>>>> The IWF site has a link to the things they *don't* cover,
>>>>> which tells you where to go and also seems a reasonable
>>>>> listing of the various online issues that exist for
>>>>> policy makers.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.iwf.org.uk/public/page.20.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, here are *some* previous postings
>>>>> to Link that mention IWF, which all seem to
>>>>> be earlier than 2002 from my minor efforts:
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: [LINK] changes at the top of IWF
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0202/0382.html
>>>>> From: Irene Graham (renelk at libertus.net)
>>>>> Date: Wed Feb 20 2002 - 00:10:56 EST
>>>>>
>>>>> [LINK] Internet industry leaders gather for launch of ICRAfilter
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0203/0338.html
>>>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>>>> Date: Fri Mar 22 2002 - 07:56:47 EST
>>>>>
>>>>> [LINK] privacy, labelling, filtering...
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0101/0583.html
>>>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>>>> Date: Mon Jan 29 2001 - 16:40:06 EST
>>>>>
>>>>> [LINK] ICRA news releases
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0004/0199.html
>>>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>>>> Date: Mon Apr 10 2000 - 18:17:11 EST
>>>>>
>>>>> [LINK] News Brief for IWF
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0002/0610.html
>>>>> From: David Goldstein (goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au)
>>>>> Date: Fri Feb 25 2000 - 02:34:37 EST
>>>>>
>>>>> [LINK] Wired: British ISPs Crack Down on Hate
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0001/0746.html
>>>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>>>> Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:25:23 +1000
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: [LINK] UK internet users don't want ratings or censorship
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link0001/0634.html
>>>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>>>> Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:41:49 +1000
>>>>>
>>>>> IWF A Founding Member Of New Rating Body - ICRA
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link9905/0295.html
>>>>> David Goldstein (davidg at iwf.org.uk)
>>>>> Wed, 12 May 1999 11:57:10 +0100
>>>>>
>>>>> ABA, RSAC, Childnet+++ plan Global Internet Labelling
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu.au/mail-archives/link/link9710/0270.html
>>>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>>>> Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:01:55 +1000
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: RSAC response to Irene Graham
>>>>> http://www.anu.edu/mail-archives/link/link9702/0259.html
>>>>> Irene Graham (rene at pobox.com)
>>>>> Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:24:54 +1000
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvano
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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