[LINK] ISPs End Anti-Piracy Talks With Entertainment Industry

Tom Koltai tomk at unwired.com.au
Tue Jun 23 18:48:58 EST 2009

I thought linkers would enjoy the results of a Government (Spain)
mandating that ISP's and the Music Industry sit down opposite one
another and nut out an agreement.

The result is the ISP's walked because they claimed file sharing would
continue until the music industry made content available at a reasonable
price to every ISP.

We live in interesting times.

I must see it would seem a lot more sensible to me to have the industry
actually talk to the ISP's instead of all this litigation.

Whenever I have had any kind of litigation there has always been the
optional mediation beforehand which I usually elected to accept. Telstra
of course never did - which ended up costing them, but there you have

Ego versus common sense.

It would appear that ISP's now have more oomph than the music industry
cartel. My My My......

I can feel a big change coming up..... 

I think this bodes well for P2P as a viable delivery medium to solve
network congestion problems and broadcast distribution of popular

Roll-on Internet-3


Written by enigmax on June 19, 2009  

Internet service providers in Spain have now ended all government
mandated talks with the music and movie industry after earlier refusing
to disconnect alleged pirates. The talks were supposed to reduce online
piracy but the ISPs say this is impossible if legal alternatives aren't

The president of Redtel, the ISP association consisting of Telefonica,
Vodafone, Orange and Ono, has confirmed what some have been fearing
since talks with the entertainment industry were suspended back in
April. Miguel Canalejo said that negotiations with the Coalition of
Creators to find some mutually acceptable ground for government
legislation on illicit file-sharing, are finished
<http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2009/06/15/navegante/1245082243.html> .

The coalition, headed by SGAE and Promusicae, took the now-common stance
of demanding that ISPs implement a "3 strikes" strategy for alleged
online pirates, but this was rightly dismissed by the ISPs. The rights
holders then came back with a new demand to throttle alleged
file-sharers instead. The ISPs refused this request too.

According to Canalejo, the other major reason why negotiations broke
down was the failure of the content providers to provide an attractive
legal alternative to illicit file-sharing. "Piracy is not a phenomenon
that must be pursued and demonized," he said, while branding the
currently provided legal alternatives as "derisory".

To reduce piracy, the ISPs made the suggestion to the Ministry of
Industry that it should create a portal to offer music, movies and

"Content providers should have a more entrepreneurial approach. They are
defending a traditional distribution model and we're creating a new
business," said Canalejo.

Noting that any changes should come through awareness and education,
Canalejo said that negotiations with rights holder could only resume
when the government becomes open about its plans for measures against
file-sharing, adding that any measures must "protect Internet users and
give legal certainty to ISPs."

A bemused Tom

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