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[Michael Skeggs mike@bystander.net]

Are there mobile networks internationally that allow 'peering' where
non-customers use other operators networks with no settlement?
If so, has it ever happened between networks of differing coverage sizes?
With different commercial plans?
I don't see how it would work in Oz. If I were in a marginal coverage zone
I would buy a Crazy Johns prepaid and use NextG.
Regards,
Michael Skeggs


On 7 December 2012 14:05, tomk <tomk at unwired.com.au> wrote:

> On 7/12/2012 11:06 a.m., Paul Brooks wrote:
> > On 7/12/2012 12:45 AM, tomk wrote:
> >> On 6/12/2012 9:34 p.m., Paul Brooks wrote:
> >>> We already do - any mobile phone can make a call to 000 through any
> mobile network. Even if the handset does not have a SIM in it, it can make
> an emergency call through any network it has a signal from.
> >>>
> >>> Paul.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> From: Kim Holburn <kim.holburn at gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As far as the roaming thing goes, if we had a system that allowed
> sharing of cells in a unified network then perhaps we could have a system
> where companies could cooperate to give us more coverage...nah, it won't
> happen at the moment.
> >> Paul, I think he was referring to that rare non-Australian Telco thing
> >> called "Peering"
> >> Ibid: Link Archives....
> >> Optus and Vodafone already peer and all three telcos share power
> >> generation, towers and other assets, but not yet consumers.
> >> Their settlement system doesn't allow for peering on the 3G network -
> >> too hard with consumer mobile data expectations.
> > Actually, 'peering'  is when traffic from a customer on one network can
> reach a
> > customer on a different network. Calls between networks have been
> available from day 1
> > as part of 'any to any connectivity', so all mobile networks 'peer'.
> >
> > I think he correctly used the word 'roaming', when a handset registered
> to one network
> > is permitted to connect and use the infrastructure of a different
> network when the
> > 'home network' is not available.
> >
> > Lets not rewrite the dictionary when attempting to make a point - this
> isn't the
> > Looking Glass.
> >
> > P.
> >
> >
> Ummm, I think Roaming is settlement based, Peering is ex-gratia.
> Pretty sure he meant peering but you have interpreted as "Roaming".
>
> At this time Australia is still in the stranglehold of "Roaming"
> agreements (or lack of) between the carriers.
> Peering is a network point that is open to all users. As in
> Multi-lateral peering.
> Roaming is a peering point where the parties have exclusive settlement
> arrangements between them - as in bi-lateral peering.
>
> I believe Kim was dreaming (as in good fairy granting a wish) about a
> world where any BTS would authenticate his phone (on a fallback basis -
> i.e.: no other BTS data channel capacity available in the region) and
> allow him to use voice/data services back to his own carrier of choice
> with of course the un-stated rider that it not be based on unfair
> commercial practice of "Roaming".
>
> Pretty sure that 's what he meant. But perhaps he was merely referring
> to the fact that Telstra use unfair market advantage to control their
> subscriber numbers and explicitly refuse to enter into commercially
> viable bilateral peering arrangements with some carriers. (errr, Roaming).
> The fact that I believe the ACMA has been remiss in analysing this in
> more detail needs to be balanced by my opinion that were I in Telstra's
> shoes, unfortunately with the paucity of Spectrum and the restrictions
> of 15  Mhz per location... I would probably do exactly the same thing or
> have a network that couldn't plan for peak loads.
>
> TomK
>
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