[LINK] Weekend Magazine - Remote Siberian Lake Holds Clues to Arctic--and Antarctic--Climate Change

[TKoltai]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Keith [mailto:gordonkeith at acslink.net.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 8:53 AM
> To: link at mailman.anu.edu.au
> Cc: TKoltai; 'Richard Chirgwin'; link at anu.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [LINK] Weekend Magazine - Remote Siberian Lake 
> Holds Clues to Arctic--and Antarctic--Climate Change
> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:25:34 AM TKoltai wrote:
> > Following is Hansen's summary, blaming the primary causes to be 
> > variations in Volcanic Aerosols and possibly solar luminosity.
> 
> > Quote/
> > Summary. The global temperature rose by 0.20C between the middle 
> > 1960's and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past 
> century. This 
> > temperature increase is consistent with the calculated greenhouse 
> > effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. 
> > Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar 
> luminosity appear 
> > to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the 
> mean trend of 
> > increasing temperature.
> 
> > /quote
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I think you misunderstand what is written. 
> 
> Hansen is stating that there is a warming trend of 0.4°C 
> caused by CO2 and 
> that trend is hard to see because of noise around the signal 
> caused by  
> variations in volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity.
> 
> The primary cause of the _variations_ is volcanic aerosols 
> and possibly solar 
> luminosity.
> 
> The cause of the _warming trend_ is greenhouse effect of CO2.
> 
> Regards
> Gordon

Thanks Gordon,

I understood what he was alluding too, however that conclusion then
means that his 1988 paper is 250% wrong in it's predictions.

His earlier papers on the atmospheres of Earth and venus show that he
was well versed on the effects of particle "noise" in atmospheres.

Matsushima, S., J.R. Zink, and J.E. Hansen, 1966: Atmospheric extinction
by dust particles as determined from three-color photometry of the lunar
eclipse of 19 December 1964. Astron. J., 71, 103-110,
doi:10.1086/109863. 

Hansen elected to ignore particulate matter in the atmosphere, except as
affecting solar luminosity. (Despite is later submitted 1967 Paper: THE
ATMOSPHERE AND SURFACE TEMPERATURE OF VENUS A DUST INSULATION MODEL
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1967/1967_Hansen_Matsushima.pdf

"A dust insulation model for the atmosphere of Venus is proposed in
which the high surface temperature results primarily from a shielding of
energy escaping from the planetary interior."

In his Bio on the Nasa site Hansen is quoted as stating "that the most
exciting planetary research involves trying to understand the climate
change on earth that will result from anthropogenic changes of the
atmospheric composition."

It is also one of the most difficult to model due to the Gulf Stream,
escaping Hydrogen (and other bonded atoms including CH4, CO2), from our
atmosphere. 

In fact the thermal properties of refracting luminosity from H2O may
well be one of the hardest elements to model because of the length and
constantly altering shape of the Gulf Stream.  In fact, I'll go out on a
limb and say the refractive luminosity index of the Gulf Stream is
unable to be accurately modelled by any computer system.

Whenever I am curious about a topic, I revert to the old adage, "when in
doubt, follow the money".

Who are J.R. Zink and S. Matsushima from Hansen's original paper and
what are they doing now ?
These are interesting questions that deserve further investigation.

>From the answers, it is a very small step to connect the dots.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/21/koch-industry-attendees-h_n_771
996.html

But I'm probably reaching... it's obviously merely a coincidence.

TomK