[LINK] Weekend Magazine - Remote Siberian Lake Holds Clues to Arctic--and Antarctic--Climate Change

Tue Jun 26 13:32:33 AEST 2012

Tom,

When you look at the money involved in this debate, one thing is completely and incontrovertibly clear.  On the side of the Global warming deniers there is a massive amount of money and a massive motive to lobby and to muddy the waters.  Trillions of dollars.  Money from fossil fuel profits and money from government subsidies, tax relief, bounties, derivatives and exchange rate diddling.  

On the other side: the scientists, you have vastly smaller amounts of money in grants and many people really wishing it was not happening but looking at the evidence as it grows.  Not only that but many scientists would be happy to see evidence that the earth isn't warming but it's not there.  

On this basis alone any accusations of money making out of this from the global warming deniers would have to be projection.  Accusations from them about conspiracies, ditto.  Naturally deniers accuse scientists of what they themselves are doing.

Kim

On 2012/Jun/22, at 9:25 PM, TKoltai wrote:

> 
> The National Science Foundation fund various "beneficial" Research
> projects, like the Internet and Climate Change.
> So when the NSF discover data indicating severe temperatures in past
> "earths" we have a choice.
> 
> Either, (A) Earth is in a constant evolutionary cycle where several
> civilisations have existed before us and been wiped out repeatedly just
> as they managed to emit sufficient green house gases to force an
> Extinction Level Event or... (B) Climate change models are missing a few
> key elements.
> 
> It's other one or the other...
> 
> OK, I skipped one, the 'ALFO' theory... Let's call that(C).
> 
> On that basis, if the Federal Government insist on penalising us
> fiscally for something that has been obviously occurring in cycles for
> over a million years, then they are effectively confirming the existence
> of prior advanced "hummer" driving civilisations.
> Or, (C) Constant Alien Lifeforms Flying Objects (ALFO's) landings and
> takeoffs have interfered with and heated up the ionosphere and the alien
> lifeforms should be taxed.
> 
> Quote: [http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=124565]
> June 21, 2012
> 
> Intense warm climate intervals--warmer than scientists thought
> possible--have occurred in the Arctic over the past 2.8 million years.
> 
> That result comes from the first analyses of the longest sediment cores
> ever retrieved on land. They were obtained from beneath remote,
> ice-covered Lake El'gygytgyn (pronounced El'gee-git-gin) ("Lake E") in
> the northeastern Russian Arctic.
> 
> The journal Science published the findings this week.
> 
> They show that the extreme warm periods in the Arctic correspond closely
> with times when parts of Antarctica were also ice-free and warm,
> suggesting a strong connection between Northern and Southern Hemisphere
> climate.
> 
> The polar regions are much more vulnerable to climate change than
> researchers thought, say the National Science Foundation-(NSF) funded
> Lake E project's co-chief scientists: Martin Melles of the University of
> Cologne, Germany; Julie Brigham-Grette of the University of
> Massachusetts Amherst; and Pavel Minyuk of Russia's North-East
> Interdisciplinary Scientific Research Institute in Magadan.
> 
> The exceptional climate warming in the Arctic, and the inter-hemispheric
> interdependencies, weren't known before the Lake E studies, the
> scientists say.
> 
> Lake E was formed 3.6 million years ago when a huge meteorite hit Earth,
> leaving an 11-mile-wide crater. It's been collecting layers of sediment
> ever since.
> 
> The lake is of interest to scientists because it has never been covered
> by glaciers. That has allowed the uninterrupted build-up of sediment at
> the bottom of the lake, recording hitherto undiscovered information on
> climate change.
> 
> Cores from Lake E go far back in time, almost 30 times farther than
> Greenland ice cores covering the past 110,000 years.
> 
> The sediment cores from Lake El'gygytgyn reflect the climate and
> environmental history of the Arctic with great sensitivity, say
> Brigham-Grette and colleagues.
> 
> The physical, chemical and biological properties of Lake E's sediments
> match the known global glacial/interglacial pattern of the ice ages.
> 
> Some warm phases are exceptional, however, marked by extraordinarily
> high biological activity in the lake, well above that of "regular"
> climate cycles.
> 
> To quantify the climate differences, the scientists studied four warm
> phases in detail: the two youngest, called "normal" interglacials, from
> 12,000 years and 125,000 years ago; and two older phases, called "super"
> interglacials, from 400,000 and 1.1 million years ago.
> 
> According to climate reconstructions based on pollen found in sediment
> cores, summer temperatures and annual precipitation during the super
> interglacials were about 4 to 5 degrees C warmer, and about 12 inches
> wetter, than during normal interglacials.
> 
> The super interglacial climates suggest that it's nearly impossible for
> Greenland's ice sheet to have existed in its present form at those
> times.
> 
> Simulations using a state-of-the-art climate model show that the high
> temperature and precipitation during the super interglacials can't be
> explained by Earth's orbital parameters or variations in atmospheric
> greenhouse gases alone, which geologists usually see as driving the
> glacial/interglacial pattern during ice ages.
> 
> That suggests that additional climate feedbacks are at work.
> 
> "Improving climate models means that they will better match the data
> that has been collected," says Paul Filmer, program director in NSF's
> Division of Earth Sciences, which funded the "Lake E" project along with
> NSF's Office of Polar Programs.
> 
> "The results of this collaboration among scientists in the U.S.,
> Austria, Germany and Russia are providing a challenge for researchers
> working on climate models: they now need to match results from
> Antarctica, Greenland--and Lake El'gygytgyn."
> 
> Adds Simon Stephenson, director of the Division of Arctic Sciences in
> NSF's Office of Polar Programs, "This is a significant result from NSF's
> investment in frontier research during the recent International Polar
> Year.
> 
> "'Lake E' has been a successful partnership in very challenging
> conditions.  These results make a significant contribution to our
> understanding of how Earth's climate system works, and improve our
> understanding of what future climate might be like."
> 
> The scientists suspect the trigger for intense interglacials might lie
> in Antarctica.
> 
> Earlier work by the international ANDRILL program discovered recurring
> intervals when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet melted. (ANDRILL, or the
> ANtarctic geological DRILLing project, is a collaboration of scientists
> from five nations--Germany, Italy, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and
> the United States--to recover geologic records from the Antarctic
> margin.)
> 
> The current Lake E study shows that some of these events match with the
> super interglacials in the Arctic.
> 
> The results are of global significance, they believe, demonstrating
> strong indications of an ongoing collapse of ice shelves around the
> Antarctic Peninsula and at the margins of the West Antarctica Ice
> Sheet--and a potential acceleration in the near future.
> 
> The Science paper co-authors discuss two scenarios for future testing
> that could explain the Northern Hemisphere-Southern Hemisphere climate
> coupling.
> 
> First, they say, reduced glacial ice cover and loss of ice shelves in
> Antarctica could have limited formation of cold bottom water masses that
> flow into the North Pacific Ocean and upwell to the surface, resulting
> in warmer surface waters, higher temperatures and increased
> precipitation on land.
> 
> Alternatively, disintegration of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet may have
> led to significant global sea level rise and allowed more warm surface
> water to reach the Arctic Ocean through the Bering Strait.
> 
> Lake E's past, say the researchers, could be the key to our global
> climate future.
> 
> The El'gygytgyn Drilling Project also was funded by the International
> Continental Scientific Drilling Program (ICDP), the German Federal
> Ministry for Education and Research, Alfred Wegener Institute,
> GeoForschungsZentrum-Potsdam, the Russian Academy of Sciences Far East
> Branch, the Russian Foundation for Basic Research, and the Austrian
> Ministry for Science and Research.
> 
> -NSF-
> /Quote
> 
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