[LINK] In Retirement on this thread - Was - The meaning of

[TKoltai]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: stephen at melbpc.org.au [mailto:stephen at melbpc.org.au] 
> Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 2:43 PM
> To: Jim Birch; TKoltai; link at mailman.anu.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [LINK] In Retirement on this thread - Was - The 
> meaning of
> 
> 
> Jim writes,
>  
> > I've got degrees in meteorology and oceanography and I've worked in 
> > glaciology and coastal oceanography/geomorphology. I know 
> enough about 
> > climate science to know what some of the questions are and to 
> > understand the complexity of the problems but I'm not dumb 
> enough to 
> > presume I know the answers. I know a lot more than most 
> people about 
> > biology and neurology but when my kids need brain surgery 
> I'll ask the 
> > experts; ditto for climate science.
> 
> 
> One currently doubts that any honest person could truly claim 
> to be an 'expert' in climate science. We don't yet understand 
> our environmental 
> systems in play, let alone systemic-interactions, and, even 
> less do we understand the incremental changes to systems that 
> mankind would cause.
> 
> Last week for example, yet another relevant system has been 
> formulated: 
> 
> "Climate Models Should Include Waves"
> 
> Swinburne University of Technology,  Monday, 18 June 2012 (snip)  
> 
> A new field study by researchers suggests that the effect of wave 
> activity on oceans should be incorporated in long term climate and 
> weather prediction models.
> 
> "Large waves that occur in tropical storms and cyclones, can 
> contribute 
> in mixing a wider layer of the upper ocean with the cooler 
> deeper parts, 
> exchanging heat and carbon dioxide with the atmosphere, which affects 
> weather and climate," said lead researcher Dr Alessandro Toffoli from 
> Swinburne's Centre for Ocean Engineering, Science and Technology.
> 
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My golly gosh.

You chaps are all absolutely right.

As a layman I would never have guessed that a fast moving large wave
would have a cooling effect on the atmosphere around it.

Holy Hannah Batman, this requires real expertise... And at least thirty
million dollars to try and measure all the waves in the world...
Imagine how much it would cost to map every thermal and subsequent wind
change, each and every undersea seismic activity just so you could
measure all the waves....

Wow! We could be on this project for at least three generations. Yeah...
Nudge nudge wink wink.
Bet ya we could write the code in less than 240K of Fortran...

What a load of bollocks!

OK, here's one... How much heat do 3.7 million undersea volcanoes add to
the planets atmosphere ?
If a medium size Volcano gives of 20GT CO2 per annum, how much CO2 is
given off by 3.7 milion undersea volcanoes ?
Is anyone being given a grant to study either of those ?

OK, how about this one ?
How much additional thermal energy is added to the atmosphere every time
a shuttle/X rocket/Falcon does a re-entry ?

What about those pretty shooting stars that skip along the troposphere ?
Do they add any heat ?

Colorado was hit by 900 mm of Hail stones the size of baseballs in early
June... How much cooling was that worth and can we claim any carbon
credits for that one ? (On that basis that our exhaust emissions caused
the hail in the first place...)

And here is the biggie...

During the summer, if I open my bedroom window while the airconditioner
is on will it help to cool the planet ?
Can I claim carbon credits ?
Hah! Trick question... I run my aircon off solar panels...

I think I'm getting the hang of this stuff... "Google Grant application"
+topic +silly aircon atmospheric cooling running off solar panels idea"
+"grant value > $5 million - actually, if we built a big enough solar
array covering most of Australia, and use zeolite heat exchange
refrigeration, we could cool the atmosphere for the whole world - right
here in OZ, Global Cooling, proudly made in Oz...

Better add 10K to the Grant application for that made in Oz sticker...
Oh yeah, thanks for the tip, I would have forgotten that.

You're right Jim, sheer Hubris... But surely you are including all the
stupid funding applications for AGW as well ?

TomK