[LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

[Roger Clarke]

Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'.

With those insights, you can do the activist stuff that us stuffy 
suits have to stay away from in order to seem respectable  (:-)}

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At 13:16 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote:
if n entities(individuals and companies) have effectively infinite 
wealth leverage and privacy

why would transparent civil groups have an impact if the law can be 
changed through secret trade agreements (dmca)

and governments do not resist private priorities.

people learn from what happens to those who seek change

eg. what happens to whistle blowers?

if change is possible it needs to address $ and other leverage.

do the entities who have the leverage want it to change?

what would make change attractive to those entities?

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On 19 December 2013 13:04, Roger Clarke 
<<mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au>Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au> wrote:

Great stuff Janet!

Join an appropriate Committee or Board of APF, or EFA, and multiply
your and our impacts.

<http://www.privacy.org.au/About/Contacts.html>http://www.privacy.org.au/About/Contacts.html
<http://www.efa.org.au>http://www.efa.org.au

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At 12:22 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote:
On 19 December 2013 11:35, Roger Clarke

<<mailto:<mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au>Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au><mailto:Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au>Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au> 
wrote:

At 11:09 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote:
>Where do security/privacy overlap?

Reject the 'you can have security or privacy - choose one' mythology.


I am playing an online computer game.

It used to have trouble with bot players distorting the economy.

It does not now. Other players said that the game can now check if
the computer is running a bot through the Windows desktop.

I thought that was interesting.

Facebook.

Political parties have people liking them or not.

Campaigns for civil rights, through Facebook and other sites.

People liking companies and products.

Music, film, books

each other

Twitter

ongoing opinions and connections

Phone apps

pick a topic..


Customised search results.

Meanwhile cases are being fought to have evidence in camera for
motorbike groups.

TPP is conducted secretly.

How much of UN or WIPO is accessible publically.

imho people are becoming transparent

systems government and corporate interests have the means and
leverage to secure privacy.

that changes the balance of rights

companies are not people

that used to mean rights for people allowed for civil rights.

what does it mean now?

voting is private

what does that mean now if everything outside the ballot box is transparent

what were the reasons for political privacy, how does democracy tilt without it

i think the public and private spheres are getting different
pressures on security/privacy

i don't think we are talking about the both of them in context and
what they mean in terms of power differential/right of way.

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