[LINK] Link Digest, Vol 251, Issue 18

Andrew Thornton secretelf77 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 22 18:03:07 AEDT 2013


I also congratulate any members of this forum who treat whirlpool 
moderators as God-like , upstanding saints. Do have to spell it out????

WHIRLPOOL IS ONLY INTERESTED IN KEEPING MICHAEL MALONE AND OTHER CEO'S 
HAPPY.

wHIRLPOOL censors my posts and says nonsense like trolling when I was 
engaged in perfectly valid comment.

WHIRLPOOL IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR ISPS - it's not interested in free 
speech or opinions other than saying "that ISP is fantastic, iinet knows 
business,,,ya ya ya...the whole goddamn propaganda fest..."

Andrew

On 22/10/2013 5:52 PM, Andrew Thornton wrote:
>
> When I posted in the iinet section of whirlpool i was attacked by a 
> group of trolls who acted like 3 year olds. They had posts banned for 
> personal attacks and trolling. Not me. If I have been banned at any 
> point for trolling or personal attacks then I am not aware of this. I 
> engaged in no such things.
>
> This is in part a technical issue. But its overarching theme of 
> shafting as a company practice makes it relevant to this mail list.
>
> I have no idea what top posting is. Explain. I wasn't brought up with 
> mailing lists. I don't know any of these terms.
>
> iinet have refused to respond in any way to my Ombudsman's submission 
> with its deadline of next Friday. They would have got the submission 
> yesterday. They have my email, phone no and heck my street address.  
> THere is no funny business going on? 
> Seriously?????????????????????????????????????????
>
> And I'm a carpenter.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
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>>     1. shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in
>>        Australia? (Andrew Thornton)
>>     2. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in
>>        Australia? (Michael Skeggs mike at bystander.net)
>>     3. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in
>>        Australia? (Andrew Thornton)
>>     4. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in
>>        Australia? (Andy Farkas)
>>     5. Re: shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen in
>>        Australia? (Jeremy Visser)
>>     6. Crazy clever phishing (?) (Jan Whitaker)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:05:01 +1100
>> From: Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this happen
>>     in    Australia?
>> To: link at mailman.anu.edu.au
>> Message-ID: <5264B5FD.30502 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>>
>>                      Hello
>>                              IInet has engaged in unethical and
>> unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come across
>> before:
>>
>>                              I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 
>> years
>> without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason slowed
>> down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they ran me
>> around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for malware
>> etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, after
>> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did
>> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two pieces of
>> evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a pattern
>> that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges to a
>> crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet ftp
>> sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I lodged a
>> fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have
>> submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to respond.
>> They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are concerned.
>> Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge of 59
>> dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? I had
>> to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata refund.
>> They better have kept to that.
>>
>>                             The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot if I
>> leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person business
>> in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages take 20
>> minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and
>> Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses Zbrush. It
>> is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more by my
>> inability to use video content.
>>
>>                             Anyway, to me there is only 1 explanation
>> that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use about
>> 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. Then
>> they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more cash.
>> This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, anti-customer
>> ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few days ago
>> iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was "iinet
>> knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of ripping you
>> off and shafting you.
>>
>>                           I have also been censored by whirlpool.com.au
>> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet
>> section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. This
>> shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert where free
>> speech is not permitted.
>>
>>                           Internet in this country has a long, long way
>> to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it is a
>> cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products that are
>> rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose internet
>> use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I had no
>> idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived
>> company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who double
>> crossed me over extra books.
>>
>>                         Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you DON'T
>> get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company just turns
>> around and screws you in the hunt for profit.
>>
>>                        Andrew
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:15:52 +1100
>> From: "Michael Skeggs mike at bystander.net" <mskeggs at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this
>>     happen in    Australia?
>> To: Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Link List <link at mailman.anu.edu.au>
>> Message-ID:
>>     <CAOJkbNeR-eSxa22SF-14gUyfiAkTzBC4dfpQ2BR9L=jU-_Qo0g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>> I'm not sure why you are concluding ill will on iinet's part rather 
>> than an
>> error?
>> Have you perhaps used all your "peak" hours quota and are being 
>> throttled
>> back?
>> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this - it 
>> looks
>> like a technical support issue to me, unless you have something to 
>> indicate
>> otherwise?
>> Hope you get it sorted.
>> Regards,
>> Michael Skeggs
>>
>>
>> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>                      Hello
>>>                              IInet has engaged in unethical and
>>> unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come across
>>> before:
>>>
>>>                              I have had adsl2 with them for about 6 
>>> years
>>> without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason slowed
>>> down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they ran me
>>> around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for 
>>> malware
>>> etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago, 
>>> after
>>> I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, did
>>> iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two pieces of
>>> evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a pattern
>>> that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges to a
>>> crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet ftp
>>> sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I lodged a
>>> fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have
>>> submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to respond.
>>> They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are concerned.
>>> Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge of 59
>>> dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit? I had
>>> to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata refund.
>>> They better have kept to that.
>>>
>>>                             The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot 
>>> if I
>>> leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person business
>>> in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages 
>>> take 20
>>> minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and
>>> Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses Zbrush. It
>>> is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more by my
>>> inability to use video content.
>>>
>>>                             Anyway, to me there is only 1 explanation
>>> that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use 
>>> about
>>> 30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts. Then
>>> they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more cash.
>>> This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, anti-customer
>>> ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few days 
>>> ago
>>> iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was "iinet
>>> knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of ripping you
>>> off and shafting you.
>>>
>>>                           I have also been censored by whirlpool.com.au
>>> where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet
>>> section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I. This
>>> shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert where 
>>> free
>>> speech is not permitted.
>>>
>>>                           Internet in this country has a long, long way
>>> to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it is a
>>> cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products that are
>>> rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose internet
>>> use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I had no
>>> idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived
>>> company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who double
>>> crossed me over extra books.
>>>
>>>                         Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you 
>>> DON'T
>>> get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company just turns
>>> around and screws you in the hunt for profit.
>>>
>>>                        Andrew
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Link mailing list
>>> Link at mailman.anu.edu.au
>>> http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:23:25 +1100
>> From: Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this
>>     happen in Australia?
>> To: mike at bystander.net
>> Cc: Link List <link at mailman.anu.edu.au>
>> Message-ID: <5264BA4D.8020906 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> No. I have not used all the peak hours. I may have been incorrectly
>> given a shaped profile. If that is the case then the profile should be
>> fixed at their end.
>>
>> I disagree that this is a technical issue.
>>
>> As for the conclusion of ill will rather than an error...well call it 38
>> years of life and having seen how people work. If it is an error then
>> why don't they FIX it or at least TELL me what is going on. No. There is
>> no error. It is some silly business that they are hiding.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On 21/10/2013 4:15 PM, Michael Skeggs mike at bystander.net wrote:
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> I'm not sure why you are concluding ill will on iinet's part rather
>>> than an error?
>>> Have you perhaps used all your "peak" hours quota and are being
>>> throttled back?
>>> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this - it
>>> looks like a technical support issue to me, unless you have something
>>> to indicate otherwise?
>>> Hope you get it sorted.
>>> Regards,
>>> Michael Skeggs
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:secretelf77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                          Hello
>>>                                  IInet has engaged in unethical and
>>>      unprofessional business ethics of a level that I have never come
>>>      across
>>>      before:
>>>
>>>                                  I have had adsl2 with them for about 6
>>>      years
>>>      without any problems. A month ago my internet for some reason 
>>> slowed
>>>      down to 1995 dial up speed. So I phoned iinet. For 3 weeks they 
>>> ran me
>>>      around doing isolation tests, checking phone lines, checking for
>>>      malware
>>>      etc each time blaming me for the slow down. Only about a week ago,
>>>      after
>>>      I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so on, 
>>> did
>>>      iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end. Two 
>>> pieces of
>>>      evidence made it impossible for them to deny it: [1] I found a 
>>> pattern
>>>      that my internet is at normal speed until 8 am when it plunges 
>>> to a
>>>      crawl and [2] I get normal speed at any time if I go into iinet 
>>> ftp
>>>      sections but I get a lousy crawl elsewhere on the net. So I 
>>> lodged a
>>>      fault and I have got no feedback from this a week later. I have
>>>      submitted a complaint to the Ombudsman. iinet have 2 weeks to 
>>> respond.
>>>      They won't respond. I no longer exist as far as iinet are 
>>> concerned.
>>>      Never mind that this morning I received the auto debit charge 
>>> of 59
>>>      dollars 95. 59.95 for what??????? Where is the Monty Python skit?
>>>      I had
>>>      to harass their finance dept a few days ago to get a pro rata 
>>> refund.
>>>      They better have kept to that.
>>>
>>>                                 The deadline of 2 weeks may become moot
>>>      if I
>>>      leave these clowns. But that is complex as I am in a 2 person 
>>> business
>>>      in which I don't own the internet account. In the meantime pages
>>>      take 20
>>>      minutes to load and the video content that I paid for on Lynda and
>>>      Digital Tutors is useless; I am a digital modeller who uses 
>>> Zbrush. It
>>>      is more luck than management that I am not being damaged more 
>>> by my
>>>      inability to use video content.
>>>
>>>                                 Anyway, to me there is only 1 
>>> explanation
>>>      that makes sense: iinet have shafted me. I am a low GB user; I use
>>>      about
>>>      30 GB a month. They have done a flag scan of all low-use accounts.
>>>      Then
>>>      they have given them to spotty nosed gamers who give iinet more 
>>> cash.
>>>      This points to the unethical profiteering at all costs, 
>>> anti-customer
>>>      ethos of both iinet and their head honcho Michael Malone. A few
>>>      days ago
>>>      iinet had a propaganda fest open day in Perth. Their slogan was 
>>> "iinet
>>>      knows business". Sure. They know business - the business of
>>>      ripping you
>>>      off and shafting you.
>>>
>>>                               I have also been censored by
>>>      whirlpool.com.au <http://whirlpool.com.au>
>>>      where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the iinet
>>>      section of the forum. I don't care who knows that that's who am I.
>>>      This
>>>      shows the joke site that whirlpool is; it's just 1 ISP advert
>>>      where free
>>>      speech is not permitted.
>>>
>>>                               Internet in this country has a long, 
>>> long way
>>>      to go until it is mature industry that is customer focused. Now it
>>>      is a
>>>      cabal of spivs [look at Optus' overcharging] who sell products
>>>      that are
>>>      rubbish by world standards. I say "rubbish" as someone whose 
>>> internet
>>>      use is modest. I am not a gamer. I am amazed at all of this. I 
>>> had no
>>>      idea that shafting occurred. IInet are the most ethically deprived
>>>      company that I have used since Funk and Wagnalls in the 80's who
>>>      double
>>>      crossed me over extra books.
>>>
>>>                             Incredible. Welcome to Australia where you
>>>      DON'T
>>>      get what you pay hard earned money for. In fact the company 
>>> just turns
>>>      around and screws you in the hunt for profit.
>>>
>>>                            Andrew
>>>      _______________________________________________
>>>      Link mailing list
>>>      Link at mailman.anu.edu.au <mailto:Link at mailman.anu.edu.au>
>>>      http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:56:10 +1000
>> From: Andy Farkas <andyf at andyit.com.au>
>> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this
>>     happen in Australia?
>> To: link at mailman.anu.edu.au
>> Message-ID: <5264C1FA.1060003 at andyit.com.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 21/10/2013 4:15 PM, Michael Skeggs mike at bystander.net wrote:
>>>> In any case, I don't think LINK is the right forum to raise this
>> Correct.  Also, top-posting should be banned.
>>
>>>> On 21 October 2013 16:05, Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:secretelf77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       Only about a week ago,
>>>>       after
>>>>       I had spent 1000 bucks on a new router, electricians and so 
>>>> on, did
>>>>       iinet admit that it is 100% their fault at their end.
>> So iinet admit it was their fault. Did they tell you what the fault was?
>> Did they fix it?
>>
>>>>                                I have also been censored by
>>>>       whirlpool.com.au <http://whirlpool.com.au>
>>>>       where as tooold2rock I have been banned from posting in the 
>>>> iinet
>>>>       section of the forum.
>> I just finished reading the thread at
>> <http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2167624>
>> and it seems obvious why you were banned.
>>
>> "User #249731   tooold2rock 2013-Oct-13, 7:16 pm
>> This post was hidden by a moderator (personal attack)"
>>
>> "User #249731   tooold2rock 2013-Oct-14, 8:07 am
>> This post was hidden by a moderator (trolling)"
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> -andyf
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:42:06 +1100
>> From: Jeremy Visser <jeremy at visser.name>
>> Subject: Re: [LINK] shafted by my ISP [iinet]: how often does this
>>     happen in    Australia?
>> To: Link List <link at mailman.anu.edu.au>
>> Message-ID: <50A868A4-234C-4779-BBDC-64699CD86ACD at visser.name>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> On 21/10/2013, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Thornton <secretelf77 at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> I may have been incorrectly given a shaped profile.
>>>
>>> I disagree that this is a technical issue.
>>
>> As someone who works for an ISP, and (just maybe) knows a thing or 
>> two about these kinds of issues -- if a shaping profile was 
>> incorrectly applied, how is that *not* a technical issue?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 09:29:26 +1100
>> From: Jan Whitaker <jwhit at janwhitaker.com>
>> Subject: [LINK] Crazy clever phishing (?)
>> To: "link at mailman.anu.edu.au" <link at mailman.anu.edu.au>
>> Message-ID: <27f210$m7ebu0 at ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>
>> Just got this one. The sending address was not
>> connected to anything in this email itself of
>> course, so reply would only get you in trouble.
>> The line that gives it away is this one:
>> Free air round trip tickets to attend this
>> meeting will be provided to all participants.
>>
>> Seriously? Searching on the name of the conference exposes the fraud.
>> Jan
>>
>> Subject: Fwd: 2013 USA CONFERENCE/INVITATION!!!!
>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> You are cordially invited to participate in the
>>> forth-coming conference /World Conference on
>>> Human Rights (W.C.H.R) against Child Protection
>>> & HIV/AIDS Treatment, Prostitution, Sex Work and
>>> forced Labor.is scheduled to take place from
>>> November 20th ? 23rd, 2013, in California at Los
>>> Angeles Convention Center in the United States
>>> and in Dakar-Senegal, from  November 25th -28th,
>>> 2013. The global congress is hosted by the
>>> Campaign against Child Labor Coalition and
>>> sponsored by Stanford Human Rights Education
>>> Initiative (SHREI) and Bill & Melinda Gates
>>> Foundation, The William J. Clinton Foundation
>>> and other benevolent donors worldwide.
>>>
>>> Note that all interested delegates that requires
>>> entry visa to enter the United States to attend
>>> this meeting will be assisted by the
>>> organization, inobtaining the visa in their
>>> passport. Free air round trip tickets to attend
>>> this meeting will be provided to all
>>> participants. The Workshop welcomes paper
>>> presentation from any interested participants
>>> willing to present papers during the meeting.
>>>
>>> For registration information you are to contact
>>> the conference secretariat via Email: 
>>> secretary.spears at californiamail.com
>>>
>>> Please share the information with your colleagues.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Mrs Natalia TiiNa
>>> E-mail: natalia_tiina at aol.com
>>> (M.D) Activities Coordinator
>>
>> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
>> jwhit at janwhitaker.com
>>
>> Sooner or later, I hate to break it to you,
>> you're gonna die, so how do you fill in the space
>> between here and there? It's yours. Seize your space.
>> ~Margaret Atwood, writer
>>
>> _ __________________ _
>>
>>
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