[Mihalic] More etymology
Thomas H. Slone
THSlone at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 1 22:31:53 EST 2003
Gutpela wok! Em i gat tupela Web pes long hia tu:
http://www.huis.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/~nomura/D/dendem3.html
http://www.db-unlimited.net/punny.shtml
>Mi laik toktok long "demdem".
>
>Mi wanpela mangi Japan, taim mi go long PNG na harim dispela tok
>"demdem", mi kirap nogut. Em olsem tokples bilong mi stret.
>
>A Japanese word for snail "dendenmusi" (kunrei-siki romanisation) or
>"dendenmushi" (Hepburn romanisation) may be related to "demdem", if
>the story about introduction of a kind of snail into PNG by Japanese
>is true.
>
>/musi/ is a word for bugs and worms. /denden/ is a part of the word
>like "cran" in "cranberry".
>
>Note that in Japanese coda /n/ is not specified for the place of
>articulation, and can be realised as any nasal sounds (but usually
>regressively assimilated -> [dendemmuSi]).
>
>For further study about words for snail in Japanese, refer to YANAGITA
>Kunio's classic book "Kagyuu-koo" ("A study about snail", 1927, now
>available at the Iwanami publisher), which shows distribution of
>different words for snail in Japan and advocates a kind of wave
>theory. You will see that there are so many patois for snail.
>
>http://www.iwanami.co.jp/.BOOKS/33/9/3313870.html
>
>Although it might not have been a standard word, "dendenmusi" is one
>of the most popular variations meaning snail, possibly because of a
>famous children's song about snail, which starts with "denden musimusi
>katatumuri".
>
>http://ingeb.org/songs/ckatatum.html
>
>Em tasol,
>
>TIDA Syuntaroo
>
>>> Long dispela pas "[Mihalic] More etymology"
>>> Long deit, Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:24:10 -0800
>>> "Thomas H. Slone" i tok olsem:
>
>THSlone> Demdem: Tryon (1995, part 2, p. 391) lists demdem as an introduced
>THSlone> word for snail into the Dami Language (Papua Province [ex-Irian
>THSlone> Jaya], Indonesia), but gives no explanation as to its origin.
>
>THSlone> Both Bergmann (1982: 156) and Tietze (1996: 36) suggest that "demdem"
>THSlone> applies to more than just the introduced African snail. Bergmann
>THSlone> (1982: 156) says, "Wanpela kain demdem i stap, em i save kaikai kiau
>THSlone> bilong bikpela demdem bilong Afrika." Tietze says, "Kain kain demdem
>THSlone> i stap long PNG. Tasol wanpela nupela kain demdem i save bagarapim
>THSlone> moa kaikai. Dispela demdem bilong ol ples hat ol i save kolim
>THSlone> 'Afrika' demdem."
>
>THSlone> Bergmann (1982: 156) says that the African snail was introduced to
>THSlone> PNG during World War II by the Japanese for use as a food source.
>THSlone> This does not appear to be a Japanese word, though, e.g.,
>THSlone> http://www.freedict.com/onldict/jap.html gives esu"karugo",
>THSlone> "katatsumuri", "makigai", and "kagyuu" for snail.
>
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