[Mihalic] Re: Mihalic Digest, Vol 39, Issue 8

[Albrecht Fitterer-Pfeiffer]

In Goroka I did not hear "bik monin" but "draipela monin tru"

"Mi kirap long draipela monin tru, tasol nogat bas olsem na mi let."

Albrecht Fitterer-Pfeiffer, Lutheran missionary, Goroka/Asaroka 2001-2006


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>   1. RE: Piccaninny dawn (Fr Patrick Gesch)
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> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:06:22 +1000
> From: "Fr Patrick Gesch" <pgesch at dwu.ac.pg>
> Subject: RE: [Mihalic] Piccaninny dawn
> To: Stuart Robinson <Stuart.Robinson at mpi.nl>, mihalic at anu.edu.au
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> I find this expression completely ambiguous. The other morning I was 
> having a
> sleep in and someone shouted to me in Madang:
>
> Hau na yu slip yet, em bik morning tru?
>
> On the other hand if we were to go on our way next day I would expect to 
> hear:
>
> Bai yu mi kirap long bik moning tru na yumi tekof.
>
>    long live ambiguity.
>
> Pat Gesch
> DWU Madang.
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> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Stuart Robinson <Stuart.Robinson at mpi.nl>
> To: mihalic at anu.edu.au
> Sent: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:20:48 +0100 (MET)
> Subject: RE: [Mihalic] Piccaninny dawn
>
>> In Bougainville, I have heard the opposite size descriptor, 'bik', to
>> describe what I believe is the same time of day---namely, early in
>> the morning. For example,
>>
>> Bai yu kam long bik moning tru.
>> Come in the early morning.
>>
>> Is this a common expression?
>>
>> -Stuart
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 r.clark at auckland.ac.nz wrote:
>>
>> > "Piccaninny daylight", also "piccaninny dawn, piccaninny sun" as
>> > expressions for the earliest morning, are well attested in Australian
>> > English, going back to the 1840s at least. I assume this is from the
>> > earlier sense of "piccaninny" = "small", and originated in some pidgin
>> > context. However, the only place I can find it in use today is in 
>> > Torres
>> > Straits Creole, in the relexified form "smol delait" = "dawn, early
>> > morning".
>> >
>> > Ross Clark
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: mihalic-bounces at anu.edu.au
>> > [mailto:mihalic-bounces at anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of Institute of Papua New
>> > Guinea Studies
>> > Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 5:25 p.m.
>> > To: Tok Pisin list
>> > Subject: [Mihalic] Piccaninny dawn
>> >
>> >
>> > In The Sky People (1984) by John Emery, there are numerous
>> > references to "piccaninny dawn" which I assume means something like the
>> > first light of dawn, before the sun actually appears.
>> >
>> > Is this a version of a normal TP expression? Has anyone heard
>> > "pikinini tulait" or something like that? Or might it be some sort of
>> > Tok Masta?
>> >
>> >
>> > Don Niles
>> > Acting Director & Senior Ethnomusicologist
>> > Institute of Papua New Guinea Studies
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