[LINK] Surveillance in extremis

[Adam Todd]

Wasn't that what I said?

At 06:40 PM 28/08/2006, Geoff Ramadan wrote:
>I have just spoken to a Solution Provider that provides tracking solutions 
>for bins.
>
>The general experience from overseas is that solutions based on weight 
>DON'T work.
>
>All it does is encourage home owners to remove or damage the RFID chip, or 
>dispose of garbage by some other means.
>
>Geoffrey Ramadan
>
>
>Howard Lowndes wrote:
>>
>>Kim Holburn wrote:
>>>On 2006 Aug 28, at 5:12 PM, Howard Lowndes wrote:
>>>>Jan Whitaker wrote:
>>>>>At 10:26 AM 28/08/2006, you wrote:
>>>>>>stick to the facts Ma'am...my source on the ground in Ryde has passed 
>>>>>>on a copy of the local paper
>>>>>I hope you weren't suggesting that I was stating any facts or even 
>>>>>attempting to. I don't live in Ryde, or even NSW! :-)
>>>>>BTW, these tags are being used in Ireland as well. One of our Aust. 
>>>>>Privacy Board members just sent a note that it is being called 'bin 
>>>>>brother' there
>>>>>>Just saw a paper here in Galway reporting that 500,000 Irish rubbish 
>>>>>>bins (wheely bins) have been implanted with sensor chips from a 
>>>>>>German company, with no discussion by most councils which went along 
>>>>>>with it. Why? For efficiency, to reduce neighbour disputes, and 
>>>>>>potentially to monitor how much recycling you are doing. Privacy 
>>>>>>advocates noted potential to hack into the related remote database 
>>>>>>and track who is home by changes in rubbish volume etc. Being called 
>>>>>>"Bin Brother".
>>>>>so I'm not alone in my concern.
>>>>
>>>>It's about time privacy advocates stopped drawing very long bows and 
>>>>realised that not all databases run on Microsoft, and that many 
>>>>databases can be made very secure.
>>>
>>>I don't think Microsoft is the issue here.  It is possible to make even 
>>>Microsoft databases secure (for example: by not connecting them to a 
>>>network) and it is possible to make even enterprise grade databases insecure.
>>>
>>>The key is
>>>1) have people been told what's happening,
>>>2) what are the privacy policies in place in the council and contractors 
>>>concerned,
>>>3) are all the concerned parties technically competent to adhere to the 
>>>privacy policies.
>>>4) Look over there is a wookie!  What was your question again?
>>>5) Only terrorists would object to this, are you a terrorist?
>>>
>>>That said this is rubbish bins for goodness sake.  Does it really 
>>>matter?  What's the worst case scenario here?  Someone in the council 
>>>could weigh your rubbish?
>>The bigger problem is the bin that is tagged to you ending up in the next 
>>street, but you still being tagged with 
>>overweight/contamination/whatever.  This is liable to be a major problem 
>>in stratas and condos.
>>
>>>
>>>Kim
>>>
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