[LINK] RFC: Web 2.0

[Roger Clarke]

Nice one, thanks Richard!

I'm now dreaming up a polite, academic way to put <bullshit warning> 
on that table.

And I'm digging deeper into AJAX, asynch HTTP, and now XUL ...


At 9:38 +1100 25/11/06, rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au wrote:
>Roger,
>
>Looking at Section 3, it occurs to me that one of the defining 
>characteristics of Web 2.0 is the invention of statistics. From the 
>citation of the Meckler paper:
>
>>  *S. Korea* - Broadband penetration of 70%+ -No. 1 in world
>
>Yeah, right. From the OECD, more recent data, we find that SK's 
>total broadband penetration is 26.9% by population. The total 
>Internet population was 30 million in 2004 (source: Digital Review, 
>www.digital-review.org), so broadband penetration was (and is) less 
>than half of Internet subs.
>
>The presentation itself - at least the "Internet data points" - is a 
>hilarious example of that strange sort of "Web 2.0" thinking that 
>conceives of "Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V" as a new paradigm of some sort. Trying 
>to source the Danish VoIP numbers, I found the same bullet list here:
>www.fiwm.de/FIWM/fileadmin/AK_Mobile/Gazecki_Web2.0-Mobile2.0.pdf 
>(warning: PDF link)
>and here (warning, powerpoint):
>http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ZrC1HBxvQVoJ:ww2.wpp.com/WPPDocuments/2006/WPPAGM_MarkReadpres_Jun06.ppt+ppt+south+korea+broadband+denmark+voip+minutes&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=5
>and here (pdf again):
>http://www.mncc.com.my/DAY1/LaurenceSi.pdf
>and here (PPT again):
>http://www.govtech.co.za/presentations/Day3/Track4/Track4_Patrick%20Flusk_Ekurhuleni%20session%204.ppt
>
>In other words, a piece of mythology which seems to have been 
>launched by Morgan Stanley (wow, there's an investment strategy for 
>you!!) is now Web 2.0-distributed all over the globe without the 
>slightest challenge!
>
>...all of which makes me wonder how reliable the *other* data points are!
>
>RC
>
>Roger Clarke wrote:
>
>Roger Clarke wrote:
>
>>  I'm trying to make sense of Tim O'Reilly's Web 2.0 movement:
>>
>>           Towards an Understanding of the Web 2.0 Notion
>>       http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/EC/Web2C.html
>>
>>
>>  Ignore the academic claptrap in sections 1, 5 and 6, and focus on:
>>  -   s.3 re what Web 2.0 is
>>  -   s.4 re which parts are substance not just hype, and where they lead
>>
>>  Thanks, as ever, for constructively negative feedback!
>>
>>  I'm on a deadline to finish and submit it this coming Saturday 25 Nov.
>>
>>  I'm trying to make sense of Tim O'Reilly's Web 2.0 movement:
>>
>>           Towards an Understanding of the Web 2.0 Notion
>>       http://www.anu.edu.au/people/Roger.Clarke/EC/Web2C.html
>>
>>
>>  Ignore the academic claptrap in sections 1, 5 and 6, and focus on:
>>  -   s.3 re what Web 2.0 is
>>  -   s.4 re which parts are substance not just hype, and where they lead
>>
>>  Thanks, as ever, for constructively negative feedback!
>>
>>  I'm on a deadline to finish and submit it this coming Saturday 25 Nov.
>>
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