[LINK] RFID Tagging of Children

[Geoffrey Ramadan]

Adam Todd wrote:
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>>> In other circumstances the choice must be maintained. For example, 
>>> tagging children may be acceptable to some paranoid parents. But 
>>> others would never subject their children to being cattle (e-sheep, 
>>> given the latest stories from the agriculture arena).
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> Yep, I'd love to RFID tag my kids!  Then I could know when they were 
> coming towards me and I could hide!
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>> If I can digress here and relay a real requirement proposed to us:
>> a) Organisation A - is running a large event with minors (mainly 
>> under 18) (no parents, only supervisors)
>> b) Organisation A - wants efficient system to ensure its duty of care 
>> obligations are met
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> What duty of care obligations?
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> That their staff aren't peodaphioles? Or restricted?  or Sex Offenders?
That their kids are look after, protected and safe
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> How does RFID tagging kids prevent that!
It is a very large event held outside with lots of groups and people 
everywhere... it is a logistical problem.

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>> In particular
>> - Ensuring all Minors go and return from various day events
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> You mean someone can't walk around the location and see that no one is 
> standing in the middle of the field?
What about say in a bush environment.
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> Strangely for the last umteen thousand years, few children have been 
> left behind at functions and events.
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> Geez, maybe Jesus needed RFID to keep track of his Apostles!
I assume in those times there were no lawyers around to sue if he had.

Could he remember 10,000 Apostles.

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>> - Ensuring "correct" parents pick up minors
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> Yeah right.  Even the Family Court and Schools, and Child Protection 
> Authorities and the Police can't get that one right!
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> You think RFID will!
It will certainly help.

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>> Also, system required to
>> - Ensure food rations supplied
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> What's wrong with tickets and punch cards?
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> This also have happened for hundreds of years without RFID.
The aim is to do more with less.
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>> - Any special dietary requirements noted and observed
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> Bracelets and common sense.
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> Again, hasn't been a majority problem for thousands of years.
Obviously once you have an ID you can use it for many things.

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>> - Able to look up any health needs in case of emergency.
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> WOAH!  That opens a WHOLE pile of issues!
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> Whom?  What?  How? When?  What Authority?  What defines an emergency?
Common sense.

They enter their own details... if they choose to.

Reg
Geoffrey Ramadan

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>> Our customer wanted to supply RFID tags to the minors for the 
>> duration of the event.
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> As a Ticket, with a number that is not attached to a name or any other 
> detail, no, it's a great idea.
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> As a device that connects to personal information that identifies the 
> movements, person and other details, Yes.
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>> Would anyone have any issues in this provided the principles outlines 
>> in:
>> http://www.privacy.gov.au/news/media/03_17.html
>> were followed?
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>> As a parent, would you object to this?
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> Yes.  Because one will be told the principals are followed, but the 
> reality is, they never are.
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> Law and Codes aren't there to be followed, they are there to make the 
> public think that something is as it seems.
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> I keep telling people - the Police do NOT have a right to come onto 
> private property even with a warrant or a court order, but the 
> Government and Police keep telling the public they do.
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> You can't make a law allowing something to do something you aren't 
> allowed to do!
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