[LINK] making the index transparent (was Re: Police raid home of Wikileaks.de domain owner over censorship lists

[Kim Holburn]

Hey Guys,

I think you're mistaking my meaning here.  This is nothing to do with  
how the filter might work at all.   I'm imagining a way of creating an  
open and transparent database of what's being banned like the current  
index of banned movies or the previous index of banned books.  I think  
it's only fair that we the public have some idea of what's being  
banned in our name.  So we could see some info but not easily get the  
full URL of sites that were banned.  Also so we can see if the website  
has changed since it got banned.

I'm assuming the filter will act mostly at a page level.  I'm adding  
the IP only as an additional means of identifying the website in the  
database page.  So for instance we could count the number of banned  
pages, see when things changed. etc.

The hash was so the information was there in part but not so people  
could use it to find the site.  It was also as a check that the site  
was still the same as when it was banned.

Oh, and I guess you'd have to have a database for Australian websites  
and one for overseas websites.

Kim

On 2009/Mar/27, at 6:51 PM, Kim Holburn wrote:

> I like this idea.   I think with a few additions it might be workable.
>
> On 2009/Mar/25, at 1:14 PM, Leah Manta wrote:
>
>> At 11:47 25/03/2009, Kim Holburn wrote:
>>> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Police_raid_home_of_Wikileaks.de_domain_owner_over_censorship_lists
>>> Seems possible this is the result of wikileaks publishing the ACMA
>>> list which included links to sites with child pornography:
>>
>> [snip] other relevant stuff about Minister and Black Lists.
>>
>> Books, Magazines, Movies and Video games that are classified RC are
>> listed in a public access database.
>>
>> This means anyone can find out the title of such products that are
>> 'censored' or 'banned'
>>
>> I don't think ANYONE objects to the Blacklist being kept secret from
>> the perspective of the URLs themselves.
>
> I'm not sure if adding any information will stop a google search for
> it.  On the other hand I think for the purposes of openness you have
> to add some identifying info.
>
>> The issue is "What's in the list" to prevent abuse of the list
>> listing Dentists and Opposing Political Views and so on.
>>
>> I feel that if instead of arguing about exposing the list, which
>> then makes URLs (that probably change every 48 hours anyway if they
>> are porn or child abuse) visible to people to be curious about "to
>> gawk" and "rubber neck", why can't everyone focus on a method of
>> giving Title to the URLs that are being listed.
>>
>> A Public Database that lists the:
>> - DATE of entry into the database,
>> - classification it would receive (because the URLs are NOT
>> classified officially through application, they are just 'presumed
>> to receive' a specific classification)
>> - Title of the page (or site)
>> - Description of the page or content.  "Bestiality" or "Child
>> Pornography"
>> - The Geographical location (may be assumption too) of the site
>
> The IP or at least a hashed or encrypted version of the IP and the
> whois entry for the IP.
> If it's just one page in an otherwise ordinary site with a large
> number of pages like say wikipedia then an encrypted form of the URL
> and the host name.
> A note as to whether the URL refers to one page or to the whole site
> or a major portion of the site.
> a hash of the page you get from the URL.
> A button that can test if the current page is the same as the banned
> page, the IP is the same, the whois info is the same.
>
>> - Reason for Listing  (5 multiple choice options perhaps, I can't
>> imagine there would be many variations, but they can always be  
>> added.)
>>
>> I'd then recommend, that any domain name that does not contain
>> obvious keywords related to inappropriate sexual content or weapons
>> or terrorism or whatever, be provided in the listing.  In most cases
>> on the 2nd level and TLD will be required.  Looking over the
>> published list I'd feel fairly confident this would be satisfactory.
>>
>> The result is that people can then check their domain names to see
>> if they are listed - by accident or otherwise, and the reasons.
>> Then a Speedy remedy can be applied to have the entry removed from
>> the list.
>
> A page where you could input your website URL and it tell you if your
> site was banned, had a banned page and if so would take you to the
> database page.
>
>> Domain names like MANY of the ones on the published list are
>> blatantly obvious and really don't need to be displayed as they
>> serve no purpose to anyone genuinely concerned about social
>> protection.
>>
>> Social Protection includes not only the Viewer, but the children,
>> women, men, animals, and lives of ALL people who could be affected
>> by the creation or, action upon or the use of the material published
>> under the banned URLs.
>>
>> Does this make sense or what?
>>
>> It's simple to activate.  In fact the original complaint for a URL
>> could also be anonymously published in the database so we can all
>> see the process is in fact working.
>>
>>
>
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