[LINK] myki - a tracking device (was Re: more myki pain)

[David Goldstein]

This debate just reinforces that people on this list need to get out more often and not be huddled over their computers in their bedrooms. Hasn't anyone heard of, let alone used, Oyster in London or the myriad of other cards in use around the world? Yeah, sure the privacy issue is something, but the comments here are guessing what may or may not have happened or will happen. So why not actually find out instead of guessing? Oh, maybe that will mean the end of conspiracies...


 


----- Original Message ----
> From: Stephen Wilson <swilson at lockstep.com.au>
> To: link at mailman1.anu.edu.au
> Sent: Mon, 12 April, 2010 8:23:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [LINK] myki - a tracking device (was Re: more myki pain)
> 
> 

Steven Clark wrote:
> > Stilgherrian wrote: Anyway, time will 
> tell if and how Myki logs can
> > be used for the obvious things such 
> as law enforcement and as court
> > evidence, and whether it can be 
> used in real-time or only
> > retrospectively.

>  the 
> short answer here is, yes, yes they are/will be. especially once
>  
> someone realises the logs can be sync'd up with cctv, and so on.

The 
> longer answer is that under privacy law, the myki operator is not 
allowed to 
> collect and retain indefinitely personally identifiable 
tracking 
> information, even for "obvious" law enforcement.  Yes there are 
law 
> enforcement exceptions under privacy law but even then, you're not 
allowed 
> to collect personal information without constraint, just in case 
it's useful 
> for investigating a crime one day.  Myki will have to 
document in their 
> privacy policy specific needs to collect and retain 
any tracking 
> information.  If they have law enforcement objectives, they 
will have 
> to show with some analytical rigor that particular collections 
will bring 
> realistic particular benefits. 

> and let's not stop there. what 
> about tax records, to establish that
> certain expenses were actually 
> incurred, and *probably* actually
> associated with work (say, travel 
> to/from on the tram) ...

Actually I think we should stop here, and 
> instead of speculating about 
what information is being collected and matched 
> (if at all), have a look 
at myki's privacy policy and compare it with what 
> we know them to be 
doing.  Do you know that travel records are being 
> matched to tax 
records?? If myki is collecting information without a real 
> need, or 
disclosing it to others, then it's pretty straightforward to hold 
> them 
to account.  This is what privacy law is 
> for.

Cheers,

Steve Wilson
Lockstep 
> Consulting
www.lockstep.com.au


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