[LINK] Fwd: Google vs. the Internet? AND Mobile vs NBN
Richard Chirgwin
rchirgwin at ozemail.com.au
Sun Aug 8 11:12:18 AEST 2010
Anthony Hornby wrote:
> Where does LTE fit into the 4G picture in Australia? Just curious.
>
1. It's under test.
2. It pretty much assumes:
2a. Fibre to all base stations; and
2b. Ethernet as L2 for all base stations.
3. It also requires contiguous spectrum blocks to get maximum
performance; which means a re-organisation of the mobile spectrum.
So - LTE is a substantial upgrade over HSPA. 2a above builds-in a
substantial competitive advantage to Telstra; it has the largest number
of fibre-connected base stations in the country.
RC
> Anthony
>
> On 08/08/2010 1:42 AM, "Tom Koltai" <tomk at unwired.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: link-bounces at mailman1.anu.edu.au
>> [mailto:link-bounces at mailman1.anu.edu.au] On Behalf Of
>> Richard Chirgwin
>> Sent: Saturday, 7 August 2010 10:03 AM
>> To: link at anu.edu.au
>> Subject: Re: [LINK] Fwd: Google vs. the Internet?
>>
>>
>> Isn't neutrality a somewhat nostalgic concept?
>>
>> Example: Practically every mobile broadband network "interferes" with
>> traffic in some way. Not only do people like mobile BB, they
>> evangelise
>> it so strongly that the Libs can use mobile networks as a
>> reason not to
>> build the NBN.
>>
>> I'd be interested to have someone with expertise enumerate how many
>> different ways the Internet has already stopped being neutral!
>>
>> RC
>>
>
>
> Curiously, the very foundation of the Net was the Person to person (P2P)
> non central - diverse path routed communications
> That Telco's have fought so hard against since deregulation.
>
> As all charging models from Telco's, all interception laws and all
> filtering regimes rely on a central distribution server to :
>
> Throttle,
> Filter,
> And Count packets/frames/cells;
>
> The very design of the internet needs to be technically [politically]
> broken for us to return to the dark information lack-lustre newspaper
> editorial oversight opinion ages of pre-net.
> As that will not be possible because of the many diverse independent
> oversight Net bodies... E.g.: NANOG, IETF, RIPE, Chancellors of .....
> etc etc
>
> Commercial interference is the next logical attack on Net "Neutrality".
>
> Google have managed to offer a number of services that re-centralises
> certain communications/interests back to a group of central servers.
>
> If I was Government, I would either infiltrate Google quietly, or buy it
> after the 1000MB/psec network is built.
>
> The world urgently needs competitive new players in this space.
>
> I refer to :
>
> The new emerging amateur video industry
> The existing text search industry
> And of course, the backbone of our consumerist economy - the consumer
> retail advertising industry. (Which in Australia, minus advertising
> eliminated P2P downloads was worth an approximate 240 million per week
> to the Australian economy.
>
> (Reduced advertising induced buying patterns because people are leaving
> FTA [free to air TV] and Foxtel for net VOD options means the economy
> will suffer for longer.)
>
> Advertising is not our only problem.
>
> On the topic of cellphone based mobile broadband, we need to analyse
> "real" broadband and bonded ersatz broadband that is over-taxing the
> physical existing cell resources.
> For example, Australian carriers will be insisting on HSPA/HSPDA
> so-called ersatz 4G wireless delivery instead of wimax.
> In this regard, thank-god for Kerry Stokes and his vision for the future
> of unwired.
>
> As HSPA uses a stacking algorithm for its bandwidth, we already know
> that there is insufficient spectrum available in the current and
> proposed ACMA Spectrum plans for HSPA to service more than 1/20th of
> Australia's Mobile population using wireless on HSPA.
>
> As Unwired do not have dibs on all the necessary bandwidth (with the
> exception of Perth - zero capital city 3.6 GHz coverage), we can safely
> assume that there will be no viable wireless alternative in Australia
> until the current licences expire and amalgamation takes place in about
> 2015.
>
> Therefore the Libs can't really turn off the NBN and fallback to
> wireless because the carriers preferred technology charging platform,
> HSPA, will require a twenty year infrastructure build-out to deliver
> the same level of speed and reliability as the FTTH.
>
> Sorry Richard, a circuitous answer, but I venture I have presented an
> interesting conundrum.
>
> Conclusion:
>
> We need to retain the FTTH NBN plan regardless of who is steering the
> ship, and, we need to promote [support] wimax as a technically superior
> wireless product to Telstra, Optus and Vodaphone insistence on control
> at all costs.
> The easiest way to do that is if we all move to Perth and sign up to the
> new wimax 3.6 service.... :-)
>
> Disclaimer: I have no fiscal interest in anything from Channel seven,
> but watch their developing and inspired en passant with great interest.
> (I am a current Unwired subscriber.)
>
> Tom
>
> References:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access
>
>
>>
>> Jan Whitaker wrote:
>>
>>> MoveOn, the US big brother of GetUp!, is taking on Google/Verizon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Click here to sign the petition to Google:
>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://pol.moveon.org/google/?id=22362-7221053-cd1TJDx&t=1>"Google:
>>
>>>> Say no to the reported agreement with Verizon to
>>>> kill Net Neutrality and the open Internet."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://pol.moveon.org/google/?id=22362-7221053-cd1TJDx&t=3>Sign the
>>
>>>> petition
>>>>
>>>> Dear MoveOn member,
>>>>
>>>> Big news: according to reports, Google is about
>>>> to cut a terrible deal with Verizon that would
>>>> end the fair, open Internet as we know it.1
>>>>
>>>> The reported Google-Verizon deal would allow
>>>> giant corporations to control which websites
>>>> load quickly and easily on the Internet and dump
>>>> everyone else onto an Internet slow lane. This
>>>> is exactly the kind of unequal playing field
>>>> that Google itself has opposed in the past.2
>>>>
>>>> We only have a few days to stop it, so we're
>>>> launching a grassroots protest calling on Google
>>>> to scuttle the deal. Will you sign our emergency
>>>> petition to Google? Click here to sign:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://pol.moveon.org/google/?id=22362-7221053-cd1TJDx&t=4>http://po
>>
>>>> l.moveon.org/google/?id=22362-7221053-cd1TJDx&t=4
>>>>
>>>> The petition says: "Google: Say no to the
>>>> reported agreement with Verizon to kill Net Neutrality and
>>>>
>> the open Internet."
>>
>>>> The Internet was founded on the principle that
>>>> all data is equal-and that no corporation should
>>>> be able to decide whose data goes faster or
>>>> slower. It's this principle, called Net
>>>> Neutrality, that has made the Internet such an
>>>> amazing platform for individual speech,
>>>> democratic action, and entrepreneurial creativity.3
>>>>
>>>> And until now, Google-which uses the corporate
>>>> motto "Don't Be Evil"-has been a staunch
>>>> defender of Net Neutrality.4 But now, Google is
>>>> threatening to turn the Internet into a closed,
>>>> pay-to-play, cash cow for large corporations.
>>>> This move is evil, and Google knows it.
>>>>
>>>> Here's why this is a big deal. President Obama's
>>>> new Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
>>>> chair initially came out strong for Net
>>>> Neutrality, in line with the President's
>>>> campaign promises.5 But the big telecom
>>>> companies launched a lobbying frenzy, and soon
>>>> the FCC was meeting with them behind closed doors.
>>>>
>>>> Because Google and Verizon are two powerhouse
>>>> corporations that have historically been on
>>>> opposite sides of this issue, an agreement
>>>> between them will put enormous pressure on the
>>>> FCC to go along with their recommendations.
>>>> Essentially, two giant corporations may be
>>>> deciding the future of the Internet-if the Obama
>>>> administration goes along, and if the public
>>>> doesn't push back right away. Click here to help stop them now:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://pol.moveon.org/google/?id=22362-7221053-cd1TJDx&t=5>http://po
>>
>>>> l.moveon.org/google/?id=22362-7221053-cd1TJDx&t=5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google was once a champion on this issue-Google
>>>> chief executive Eric Schmidt once attacked
>>>> "phone and cable monopolies" who "want the power
>>>> to choose who gets access to high-speed lanes
>>>> and whose content gets seen first and fastest."6
>>>>
>>>> But today's news stories report that under the
>>>> new deal, Verizon could be allowed to give some
>>>> sites preferential treatment. Even more
>>>> ominously, it appears that Verizon would have
>>>> free rein to discriminate on the mobile Internet
>>>> (smartphones, cell phones, etc). Since that's
>>>> where most people will access the Net going
>>>> forward, this would essentially spell the end of Net Neutrality.
>>>>
>>>> Google has issued a short, carefully worded
>>>> statement challenging some of the details in The
>>>> New York Times story, but it hasn't denied that
>>>> it is going along with this agreement to kill
>>>> Net Neutrality.7 So much for "Don't be evil."
>>>> Will you sign our petition today and tell Google
>>>> not to be evil on Net Neutrality?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> <http://pol.moveon.org/google/?id=22362->
>>
> 7221053-cd1TJDx&t=6>http://po
>
>>>> l.moveon.org/google/?id=22362-7221053-cd1TJDx&t=6
>>>>
>>>>
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