I can't see the guardian anymore from here. http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.guardian.co.uk says it's just me but traceroute tells me the block appears to be in or after Hong Kong. -- Kim Holburn IT Network & Security Consultant T: +61 2 61402408 M: +61 404072753 mailto:kim at holburn.net aim://kimholburn skype://kholburn - PGP Public Key on request