[LINK] Propaganda, manipulation and the abuse of media [Was: IPA, astroturfing and fantsy themes/Science under attack]

Frank O'Connor francisoconnor3 at bigpond.com
Tue Feb 21 22:33:26 AEDT 2012

So, when we attack your warped logic and arguments it's 'ad hominem', but when you retaliate with Luddite comments and the like it's all part of considered argument and rational debate. I love your logic Tom ... It's so magnificently and absurdly self-referential and illogical.

As for the quote and comments which follow your wounded complaint ... I'm sorry but I don't see how they advance your already confused and illogical argument.

I'll give you one even the legendary Koltai intellect should be able to take advantage of, when I say I'm totally non-plussed by the point and direction of your arguments, Tom Old Son. I must be getting old.

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On 21/02/2012, at 9:07 PM, "TKoltai" <tomk at unwired.com.au> wrote:

> In the face of such overwhelmingly obviously factual rebuttal, I am
> forced to concede that aiming for the man is always easier than aiming
> for the ball.
> Aiming for the ball takes skill, knowledge dexterity and something you
> two obviously know little about, Passion for your topic.
> Factually, Frank and David, your empty personal ad hominen attacks logic
> is unfortunaely refutable, but the emotive fight or flight response is
> so highly charged on this issue, that you are unable to open your minds
> to contra-evidence.
> Evidence researched by leading Australian Climatologists.
> Quote/ [From:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml}
> In Australia two more biologists, Michael Roderick and Graham Farquhar
> were intrigued by another paradoxical result - the world-wide decline in
> something called the pan evaporation rate.
> PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR (Australian National University): It's called pan
> evaporation rate because it's evaporation rate from a pan. Every day all
> over the world people come out in the morning and see how much water
> they've got to add to a pan to bring it back to the level it was the
> same time the morning before. It's that simple.
> NARRATOR: In some places agricultural scientists have been performing
> this rather dull daily task for more than a hundred years. PROF GRAHAM
> FARQUHAR: The long-term measurements of pan evaporation are what gives
> it its real value.
> DR MICHAEL RODERICK (Australian National University): And the fact that
> they're doing the same thing day in day out with the same instrument.
> PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR: Yeah, they deserve a medal. Each of them.
> NARRATOR: For decades, nobody took much notice of the pan evaporation
> measurements. But in the 1990s scientists spotted something very
> strange, the rate of evaporation was falling.
> PROF GRAHAM FARQUHAR: There is a paradox here about the fact that the
> pan evaporation rate's going down, an apparent paradox, but the global
> temperature's going up. 
> /Quote.
> So there it is. Concrete evidence that pollutant particles in the air is
> actually causing a cooling of the planet and not a warming.
> Research by leading researchers, not on big company corporate payrolls.
> Vis, the 100 years of Pan evaporation data by ordinary Australia
> farmers.
> Wow. Must be more of 'dem luddites...
> In closing, I regret to say that there are many experiences missing from
> my life and that my experiments with mind altering substances didn't
> actually pass THC and ridiculous quantities of alcohol.
> I'm almost happy to leave it there, but should you not publicly withdraw
> your nasty vindictive personal attack accusing me of consuming hard
> drugs, I suggest modst emphatically that your legal bill over the next
> few months will dramatically increase.
> On the topic of killing all Koltai's, you might like to know that
> millions of Hungarian Jews changed their name in 1939-1944 to Koltai to
> escape the exact fate that you outlined for me.
> In fact, my 13 year old father's Aunty Janka changed his name to Koltai
> to save him from the Gas Camps. So your wish was almost granted.
> I know withdraw from the field on this topic and leave it to the
> bullies.
> Tom Koltai.

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