[LINK] itNews: Tas Police fed up with Social Media

Roger Clarke Roger.Clarke at xamax.com.au
Mon Jul 16 18:17:28 AEST 2012

>Roger, Jan, Craig, Jim and Richard write on this issue.
>>  > it's not only 'computer hackers' who perform social-engineering
>>  > attacks on rule systems. kids test boundaries to find the limits
>>  > and the available exploits.
>>  ....is very pithy.

At 7:54 +0000 16/7/12, stephen at melbpc.org.au wrote:
>Yes and no doubt this will increasingly become another Internet issue.
>Without necessarily commenting on kids, it's often said, 'as you sow,
>so shall you reap' in relation people's children." Thus, the argument
>that parents must, in the final analsys, carry the can for their kids
>behaviour appears reasonable. Train them right or else. On this point
>one local judge has recently been vocal. Ideally perhaps his thoughts
>could also be extended to apply to racial and slanderous matters etc?

Ideally only if you're a subscriber to the 'we must train our 
children to be victims' school of thought.

Others among us prefer a bit more emphasis on developing robustness 
in individuals, on encouraging social support among groups, and on 
setting the threshhold at which 'victimisation' sets in a lot higher 
than people like Nicholson and 'family values' lobbyists look for.

However, I we're at risk of wandering a *little* off-topic here  (:-)}

It's likely that cyberspace norms will *generally* drift towards 
meatspace norms, but with some adjustments to reflect the lower-touch 
/ limited-body-signals nature of the medium.


>"VICTIMS of bullying should be able to make parents of their tormenters
>pay for their pain, says a former chief judge of Australia's Family Court.
>Alastair Nicholson, one of Australia's most respected legal figures,
>believes tougher laws could be crucial in the fight against "insidious
>and dangerous" bullying.
>"If there's one thing that makes people tend to be cautious . . . it's
>the fact it might cost them a lot of money," he said.
>Mr Nicholson argues that "Brodie's Law", introduced by the State
>Government last year after the suicide death of workplace bullying victim
>Brodie Panlock, 19, was not specific enough.
>"When you look at the legislation, they don't use the term bullying at
>all," he said.
>Instead he believes better defined criminal and civil laws could help
>prevent many cases of bullying "even if you don't run around prosecuting
>"A lot of kids tend to take this behaviour as normal, but if they are
>told and taught that 'it's against the law and you could be in trouble',
>I think it could have quite a good educative effect."
>He said he did not believe tougher civil laws would lead to more
>litigation, just more care taken by adults responsible for children's
>>  On 16/07/12 1:48 PM, Craig Sanders wrote:
>>  > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:03:34AM +1000, Jim Birch wrote:
>>  >> This is an example of the popular intuition that the Internet is
>>  >> somehow official or something so higher standards apply and the
>>  >> government is responsible, when in fact the opposite - it's down to
>>  >> you baby - more often applies.
>>  > i thought it was because schoolkids today are taught to be gutless
>>  > dobbers rather than to stand up and defend themselves. in fact, they
>>  > punished for defending themselves (verbally or otherwise) - it seems
>>  > if it's a worse "crime" than the initial bullying.
>>  >
>>  > the "innocence of childhood" is bullshit and children are nasty
>>  > amoral self-centred thugs - what bullies learn when their victim runs
>>  > and dobs rather than defend themself is that they are, in fact, a
>>  > and can be targetted again in future.
>>  >
>>  > even worse, they learn that a *very* effective bullying technique is
>>  > accuse their victim of bullying, thus engaging the allegedly
>>  > adults around them to do the bullying and victimisation for them.
>>  >
>>  > it's not only 'computer hackers' who perform social-engineering
>>  > on rule systems. kids test boundaries to find the limits and the
>>  > available exploits.
>>  >
>>  > craig
>>  >
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