[LINK] itNews: Tas Police fed up with Social Media

[stephen at melbpc.org.au]

Roger writes,

>>> kids test boundaries to find the limits and the available exploits..
>> one local judge has recently been vocal. Ideally perhaps his thoughts
>> could also be extended to apply to racial and slanderous matters etc?
> 
> Ideally only if you're a subscriber to the 'we must train our children
> to be victims' school of thought.

Was thinking more about when kids make racial or slanderous etc comments
online, towards and about anyone, not just other kids. I'd agree we make 
their parents potentially liable, and so, they can't simply hide legally
behind their young age. One, or two, high-profile cases would wake dopey
parents to take increased responsibility for their kids's online actions.

> Others among us prefer a bit more emphasis on developing robustness 
> in individuals, on encouraging social support among groups, and on 
> setting the threshhold at which 'victimisation' sets in a lot higher 
> than people like Nicholson and 'family values' lobbyists look for.

Agree, but there's a balance point also. Some kids have NO supervision
at all, online or in real life these days. And so, they attention-seek
and push the boundries where-ever they can. Sure, incalculate strength
of character in children but also carry a big legal stick as necessary
for when being strong & turning the other cheek isn't enough. Why not?
 
> However, I we're at risk of wandering a *little* off-topic here  (:-)}

Not really. In future the online behaviour of minors WILL be an issue.

> It's likely that cyberspace norms will *generally* drift towards 
> meatspace norms, but with some adjustments to reflect the lower-touch 
> / limited-body-signals nature of the medium.

Agreed. But cyberspace norms need the same legal backups to 'normalize'.

Cheers,
Stephen

> > <http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/make-parents-of-tomenters-
> > pay-for-bullying-victims/story-fn7x8me2-1226396036998>
> >
> >"VICTIMS of bullying should be able to make parents of their tormenters
> >pay for their pain, says a former chief judge of Australia's Family
> >Court.
> >
> >Alastair Nicholson, one of Australia's most respected legal figures,
> >believes tougher laws could be crucial in the fight against "insidious
> >and dangerous" bullying.
> >
> >"If there's one thing that makes people tend to be cautious . . . it's
> >the fact it might cost them a lot of money," he said.
> >
> >Mr Nicholson argues that "Brodie's Law", introduced by the State
> >Government last year after the suicide death of workplace bullying 
victim
> >Brodie Panlock, 19, was not specific enough.
> >
> >"When you look at the legislation, they don't use the term bullying at
> >all," he said.
> >
> >Instead he believes better defined criminal and civil laws could help
> >prevent many cases of bullying "even if you don't run around 
prosecuting
> >people".
> >
> >"A lot of kids tend to take this behaviour as normal, but if they are
> >told and taught that 'it's against the law and you could be in 
trouble',
> >I think it could have quite a good educative effect."
> >
> >He said he did not believe tougher civil laws would lead to more
> >litigation, just more care taken by adults responsible for children's
> >behaviour.
> >
> >>
> >>  On 16/07/12 1:48 PM, Craig Sanders wrote:
> >>  > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:03:34AM +1000, Jim Birch wrote:
> >>  >> This is an example of the popular intuition that the Internet is
> >>  >> somehow official or something so higher standards apply and the
> >>  >> government is responsible, when in fact the opposite - it's down 
to
> >>  >> you baby - more often applies.
> >>  > i thought it was because schoolkids today are taught to be gutless
> >>  > dobbers rather than to stand up and defend themselves. in fact, 
they
> >get
> >>  > punished for defending themselves (verbally or otherwise) - it 
seems
> >as
> >>  > if it's a worse "crime" than the initial bullying.
> >>  >
> >>  > the "innocence of childhood" is bullshit and children are nasty
> >vicious
> >>  > amoral self-centred thugs - what bullies learn when their victim 
runs
> >>  > and dobs rather than defend themself is that they are, in fact, a
> >victim
> >>  > and can be targetted again in future.
> >>  >
> >>  > even worse, they learn that a *very* effective bullying technique 
is
> >to
> >>  > accuse their victim of bullying, thus engaging the allegedly
> >responsible
> >>  > adults around them to do the bullying and victimisation for them.
> >>  >
> >>  > it's not only 'computer hackers' who perform social-engineering
> >attacks
> >>  > on rule systems. kids test boundaries to find the limits and the
> >>  > available exploits.
> >>  >
> >>  > craig
> >>  >
> >>
> >>
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