[LINK] [PRIVACY] Bigpond email moving to Outlook.com

[grove at zeta.org.au]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Jan Whitaker wrote:

So, Telstra outsources its BigPond email to Microsoft?!

Another reason not to use Telstra/Bigpond.  I know you do not need 
to use Outlook or other MS products to use the service, but those of 
us ideologically opposed to MS who need to use BP now have exactly zero choice.

A bad idea for people who want less Microsoft in their lives, though.
I think I predicted they would "own" email a few years ago...

Lucky for me, I do not use BP, but I figure there must be many people 
who deny MS products in their lives, dependent on the BP platform.

Also, it is clear that BP must not have the technical ability 
to manage mail services anymore, so there is another win for dumbing down
and outsourcing....

Why are we letting Telstra do this, anyway?



> At 11:47 PM 12/06/2013, Jan Whitaker you wrote:
>> I've heard in another group that Telstra Bigpond is moving their
>> email accounts to outlook, presumably in the US or possibly
>> Singapore. What do you all think about this?
>> Has anyone queried them about the implications? Or read their terms?
>> I only buy landline service from Telstra, so don't know the particulars.
>
>
> There has to be a story in this in relation to the NSA scandal:
>
> More info, but not much:
>
> http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/broadband-services/#tab-bigpond-email
>
>
> Outlook doesn't appear once in their ISP Consumer Guidelines
> http://telstra.com.au/internet/download/document/ispguidelines-25july.pdf?ref=Net-Footer-Corp-Guidelines
>
> Nor the Bigpond Terms of Use:
> http://go.bigpond.com/pond/terms-of-use/?ref=Net-Foot-Corp-Terms
>
> The instructions provided for the move to Outlook just says agree to
> the new terms, but you can't see them until you've opted into the new
> system and after you've updated your email system. Perhaps these are
> the terms, which are what come up of you go to www.outlook.com (in
> the footer of that page).
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-live/microsoft-services-agreement
>
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> Note:
> 3.3. What does Microsoft do with my content? When you upload your
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> adapted, saved, reproduced, distributed, and displayed to the extent
> necessary to protect you and to provide, protect and improve
> Microsoft products and services. For example, we may occasionally use
> automated means to isolate information from email, chats, or photos
> in order to help detect and protect against spam and malware, or to
> improve the services with new features that makes them easier to use.
> When processing your content, Microsoft takes steps to help preserve
> your privacy.
> -----------------
>
> No where in that clause does it mention allowing government agencies
> to see your content. That all comes later in the 'privacy' section.
>
> -----------------
> 5.2. Does Microsoft disclose my personal information outside of
> Microsoft? You consent and agree that Microsoft may access, disclose,
> or preserve information associated with your use of the services,
> including (without limitation) your personal information and content,
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>
> Note: "where the activity occurred". That isn't what 'might' happen,
> as in the case of the NSA or intelligence community.
>
>
>
>
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