[LINK] Google has removed Canberra buses from directions in google maps

Frank O'Connor francisoconnor3 at bigpond.com
Mon Feb 22 17:15:56 AEDT 2021

Mmmm …

10%-15% of their Australian advertising revenue would be fair, and not as open to tax evasion/avoidance as an income tax. Whether its allocated to the media barons, or directly to a fund to encourage/pay for a transition to online journalism, or to conventional (obsolete) journalism business models … I don’t really care. That’s a matter our politicians

That said, I don’t much like the idea of paying right wing tax evading vampires on the body politic like Murdoch, Stokes, Nine and the rest, to continue with their failed/failing business model and to continue producing utter tripe and reactionary opinion, rather than quality  news that they should be producing. Perhaps the payments could be made conditional on their going to support investigative journalism and quality news product that is worth paying for,

The bottom line is that advertisers have found it more efficient and effective to advertise through Google and Facebook, and presumably they generate more ‘hits’ from clients than the conventional media alternatives … and nothing the government says or does is gonna change this. Indeed, with the current legislation they are just pissing into the wind … I can’t see any way in which it is a winner.

Just my 2 cents worth

> On 22 Feb 2021, at 3:04 pm, Kim Holburn <kim at holburn.net> wrote:
> I don't understand why people think this bill is a good idea in any way at all.  It's an extortionate tax for google and facebook and a free government handout to prop up our foreign-owned commercial media oligopoly.
> I don't like google and facebook as much as the next guy, but why don't we just make them pay tax properly?  And for god's sake let Murdoch media and nine media pay proper tax and die like the dinosaurs they are.
> On 2021/02/22 1:43 pm, David wrote:
>> On 2021-02-19 13:21, Kim Holburn wrote:
>>> https://imgur.com/ujYck8B
>>> [...]
>> I have never been able to understand why the ABC thought putting their programs and audience feedback on Facebook or Twitter was a good idea.  Do they not understand Facebook's business model?  Does the ABC consider sacrificing audience privacy in return for a free service is acceptable?  Or have these corporations "guaranteed" privacy?
>> When will some Australian Government legislate a privacy code with appropriate penalties and apply them?
>> Malcolm Turnbull was interviewed on ABC TV recently (on 7:30 I think).  He appeared to me to be running an argument that Facebook's actions were a disaster for Australia, Facebook (et al) were too big to fight, and therefore the Australian Government should:
>> (a)	not interfere and allow them to continue making free use of other's labour,
>> (b)	institute some form of broader tax and distribute the proceeds as compensation to the originators.
>> I have to say I'm extremely disappointed to hear that logic from Turnbull, assuming I interpret him correctly.  It would appear to sanction all manner of business dealings on the basis that Might is Right.
>> If Zuckerberg thinks he doesn't need Australian media input, let Facebook do without.  And if he does, Facebook should pay for it.
>> David Lochrin
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