[LINK] How many Newspapers does it take to build Ayers Rock?

Marghanita da Cruz marghanita at ramin.com.au
Wed May 13 15:54:16 AEST 2009

Tom Koltai wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Lochrin [mailto:dlochrin at d2.net.au] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: Rick Welykochy
>> Cc: Tom Koltai; 'link'
>> Subject: Re: [LINK] How many Newspapers does it take to build 
>> Ayers Rock?
>> On Tuesday 12 May 2009 21:04, Rick Welykochy wrote:
>>>> I thought linkers mught enjoy my latest Koltai reveletion in
>>>> relation to ICT vs traditional media distribution methods.
>>>> 47,742 tons per year - 2.83 times the volume of Ayers Rock.
>>> That would be 2.83 times the mass of Ayers Rock, no?
>> At standard temperature and pressure (0 degC & 100 KPa) the 
>> density of carbon dioxide is around 1.98 kg/m³ (Wikipedia), 
>> which is 0.00198 g/cc.  Ayers Rock, which is sandstone, would 
>> have a density of say 2.3 g/cc.
>> So compressing CO2 at STP and the volume or Ayers Rock to the 
>> same density as Ayers Rock would reduce its volume to 
>> (0.00198 / 2.3) or 0.000861 that of the Rock.  Much of it is 
>> below ground but it's still 348 metres above, so our 
>> hypothetical CO2 would only be about 30 cm high!  I haven't 
>> calculated the temperature rise involved, but it would be substantial.
> <snip>
> David,
> I actually used Coal to obtain my mass dnesity calculations - allowing
> for a denser result.
> Coal was the closest "carbon" substitute I could find to obtain my
> original approximate calculations for.
> I believe coal is denser than limestone.
> So please excuse my ignorance - but doesn?t that alter considerably the
> mass density percentage of your results ? i.e. in other words - my calcs
> are still 2.83 times the percentage of.
The science is getting a bit confused a little while back, I tried to clarify it
for myself:
> Carbon Nitrogen Cycle
> In the chemical process of Burning Coal and other Carbon based fuels, Oxygen combines with the Carbon to provide energy (heat) and CO2.
> The Oceans and Plants are natural carbon sinks.(2) In sunlight, Plants absorb CO2 from the air and photosynthesise it into Carbon based Biomass. This process releases O2. This is the carbon cycle.(3
> Using The Greenhouse Accounting CRC's Tree Carbon Calculator
>     * a Eucalptus Tree (Hardwood) with a 100cm Trunk has absorbed 1,182kg of CO2
>     * a Pine Tree (softwood) with a 100cm Trunk has absorbed 787kg of CO2
>     * a Eucalptus Tree (Hardwood) with a 10cm Trunk has absorbed 3kg of CO2


So, Tom are you talking about the stockpile of old newspapers on the energy
embodied in the newspapers?

The calculation between the volume of a single newspaper and the volume of Uluru
should not be that difficult - though I am unsure of the point of the comparison.

We could also consider the greenhouse gases that the newspapers would produce as
they broke down. Bear in mind that newspaper is generally recycled paper.

We could also add the cost of delivering the newspaper to your door, generally 
by car in the 'burbs...

> Comparative Motor Vehicle CO2 emissions
> Model	CO2 Rating
> Toyota Prius	106 g/km
> Honda Civic Hybrid	109 g/km
> Fiat Punto 16V 90HP	116 g/km
> Honda Jazz Gli	135 g/km
> BMW LCI 120d E87 	162 g/km
> Honda Civic VTi 	164 g/km
> Toyota Corrolla	172-4 g/km
> Holden AH Astra	177 g/km
> Holden Commodore Belina	260 g/km
> Toyota Landcruiser 100	380 g/km
> To compare more vehicles see www.greenvehicleguide.gov.au

Marghanita da Cruz
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