[LINK] Now that's secure - I guess

[Karl Schaffarczyk]

Hi Noel,

>
>
> > and permit alternatives such as Gmail
> > sending via their SMTP server too.
>
>
> WTF? I hope I read that wrong, must have, ok, next...
>

No, you didn't read it wrong - using something like Gmail to pick up your
work or ISP mail is a legitmate use of something like Gmail. But combined
with SPF hard fails, it means you cannot send from that address using Gmail.
Gmail supports the user specification of an auth-SMTP server for this
purpose, which means you can read/write your emails in Gmail, but still
keep within workplace policy or ISPs hard nosed SPF policy.


>
>
> > I understand the extent of tech-support pain a system like this would be
> to
> > implement, but could you imagine how much less spam would be sent if this
> > could be implemented worldwide?
>
>
> Yes, sadly because the vast majority of Internet users are not tech
> savvy and have enough trouble configuring a mail client for normal use.
>
> In fact, I'd go so far as to say majority are clueless, even blaming
> their ISP's when their windows wont work, I'm sorry, when did the ISP
> world buy out microsoft?  *sigh* and some people take extreme offence at
> being told, we provide Internet services, we give you settings to allow
> you to use our facilities blah blah blah, why is it an ISP's job to
> teach people how to use another companies bloody software, you chose to
> use outlook, you learn it or ask the people who made it!
>
> If I had my time again starting and running an ISP, I'd refuse to provide
email with standard accounts. Go and get hotmail/gmail or whatever!

>
> > It would also provide a high level of convenience for the modern road
> > warrior. Laptops, iPads etc wouldn't need to be reconfigured every time a
> > person switched disparate providers - hotspots, cellular broadband,
> > institutional networks etc.
>
>
> Most decent ISP's already provide this, something mobile broadband
> helped kickstart for those that did not.
>
>
> > So if Pacific/Hunterlink is providing auth-SMTP with at least one port 25
> > alternative, then I support their decision to do so, and cannot call it
> > "broken"
>
>
>
> % telnet smtp.pacific.net.au 587
> Trying 125.255.95.1...
> Connected to mail-pacific.pacific.net.au.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 mailproxy4-syd3.pacific.net.au ESMTP Gday mate
>
> I'm sure pacnet don't offer submission access for sake of it, so a
> certain persons problem is likely solved, if he wanted it to be.
>

exactly!


Karl